9 Mar
2005
9 Mar
'05
6:24 p.m.
Hi!
At http://freepats.opensrc.org there is a mellotron sample in the flac
format. I'm very interested in this sound. I'd like to see it in a soundfont,
so it can be used with fluidsynth. Unfortunately I only can convert this
sample to the .wav or .raw format and split the different samples from one
another. The actual soundfont creation (with swami) I can't do. Would anyone
be interested in this kind of project?
As said I'd convert and split the flac file and do, what else I can, but
for the final swami-touch, I'd need some help, because I'm blind.
I'm looking forward to hear from someone!
Kindest regards
Julien
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9 Mar
9 Mar
10:13 p.m.
Julien Claassen wrote:
At http://freepats.opensrc.org there is a mellotron
sample in the flac
format. I'm very interested in this sound. I'd like to see it in a soundfont,
so it can be used with fluidsynth. Unfortunately I only can convert this
sample to the .wav or .raw format and split the different samples from one
another. The actual soundfont creation (with swami) I can't do. Would anyone
be interested in this kind of project?
I'm sorry I can't help you directly Julien but smurf just
crashes on me after a few minutes and I've never been able
to figure out how to use it anyway, and swami doesn't exist
as a Gentoo package.
As said I'd convert and split the flac file and
do, what else I can, but
for the final swami-touch, I'd need some help, because I'm blind.
I'm looking forward to hear from someone!
Along these lines, and this would help Julien, is anyone
aware of any shell tools to deal with sf2 soundfonts ?
I would be very interested in cooperating with anyone else
that may be able to help build a set of command line sf2
extraction and rebuild tools.
--markc
10 Mar
10 Mar
4:21 a.m.
On Thu, 10 Mar, 2005 at 12:06PM +1000, Mark Constable spake thus:
--
"I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated
Development
That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you."
(By Vance Petree, Virginia Power)
Julien Claassen wrote:
Oooh, me! Me! I wanna go! Pick me, pick me!
Okay, enough excitement. I'd like to play with this, so I'd be happy
to work with you. One of the things that always annoyed me about
soundfonts (and this is from way back when they were new) was the GUI
for creating them sucked. Probably not so true now with all the new
tools, especially the free ones, but I really hate using the mouse.
Mail me directly (james at dis-dot-dat.net) and lets see if we can
agree on what we should be aiming for.
James
At http://freepats.opensrc.org there is a
mellotron sample in the flac
format. I'm very interested in this sound. I'd like to see it in a
soundfont, so it can be used with fluidsynth. Unfortunately I only can
convert this sample to the .wav or .raw format and split the different
samples from one another. The actual soundfont creation (with swami) I
can't do. Would anyone be interested in this kind of project?
I'm sorry I can't help you directly Julien but smurf just
crashes on me after a few minutes and I've never been able
to figure out how to use it anyway, and swami doesn't exist
as a Gentoo package.
As said I'd convert and split the flac file
and do, what else I can, but
for the final swami-touch, I'd need some help, because I'm blind.
I'm looking forward to hear from someone!
Along these lines, and this would help Julien, is anyone
aware of any shell tools to deal with sf2 soundfonts ?
I would be very interested in cooperating with anyone else
that may be able to help build a set of command line sf2
extraction and rebuild tools. 
7:57 a.m.
Last Thursday 10 March 2005 08:21, james(a)dis-dot-dat.net was like:
Oooh, me! Me! I wanna go! Pick me, pick me!
Okay, enough excitement. I'd like to play with this, so I'd be happy
to work with you. One of the things that always annoyed me about
soundfonts (and this is from way back when they were new) was the GUI
for creating them sucked. Probably not so true now with all the new
tools, especially the free ones, but I really hate using the mouse.
Go James!
I can't code, but I can document and test.
cheers,
tim hall
http://glastonburymusic.org.uk
12:51 p.m.
On Mar 9, 2005, at 6:06 PM, Mark Constable wrote:
Along these lines, and this would help Julien, is
anyone
aware of any shell tools to deal with sf2 soundfonts ?
I would be very interested in cooperating with anyone else
that may be able to help build a set of command line sf2
extraction and rebuild tools.
Takashi Iwai included two utilities in awesfx 0.4.2, one which
dumped the metadata of a SF2 to a text file, and another
which compiled the (possibly modified) text file and original
SF2 into a new SF2. With it you could make minor edits
to a soundfont from the command line. As-is, it's not going
to help build a soundfont from single wave files, but it
might be a great starting point for building such a tool.
-Sean
4:55 p.m.
On Thu, 10 Mar, 2005 at 08:51AM -0800, Sean Bolton spake thus:
On Mar 9, 2005, at 6:06 PM, Mark Constable wrote:
Thanks for pointing this out - it really will be a good place to
start.
It has a lot of what we need, and is really only missing the ability
to work with individual sound files, like you say.
Thanks again
Along these lines, and this would help Julien, is
anyone
aware of any shell tools to deal with sf2 soundfonts ?
I would be very interested in cooperating with anyone else
that may be able to help build a set of command line sf2
extraction and rebuild tools.
Takashi Iwai included two utilities in awesfx 0.4.2, one which
dumped the metadata of a SF2 to a text file, and another
which compiled the (possibly modified) text file and original
SF2 into a new SF2. With it you could make minor edits
to a soundfont from the command line. As-is, it's not going
to help build a soundfont from single wave files, but it
might be a great starting point for building such a tool. -Sean
--
"I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated
Development
That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you."
(By Vance Petree, Virginia Power)
5:08 p.m.
On Thursday 10 March 2005 11:51 am, Sean Bolton wrote:
On Mar 9, 2005, at 6:06 PM, Mark Constable wrote:
Sounds like all we'd need for comping together instruments though.
Along these lines, and this would help Julien, is
anyone
aware of any shell tools to deal with sf2 soundfonts ?
I would be very interested in cooperating with anyone else
that may be able to help build a set of command line sf2
extraction and rebuild tools.
Takashi Iwai included two utilities in awesfx 0.4.2, one which
dumped the metadata of a SF2 to a text file, and another
which compiled the (possibly modified) text file and original
SF2 into a new SF2. With it you could make minor edits
to a soundfont from the command line. As-is, it's not going
to help build a soundfont from single wave files, but it
might be a great starting point for building such a tool.
-Sean
5:24 p.m.
On Thu, 10 Mar, 2005 at 04:07PM -0500, John Check spake thus:
On Thursday 10 March 2005 11:51 am, Sean Bolton
wrote:
swami also uses a library (packaged handily seperately) called
libinstpatch that seems to be just what we need: a library for
manipulating SF2 files. I'm about to have a closer look, but it seems
like this will make a nice back-end and will make this project
practically an accessible implementation of swami.
--
"I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated
Development
That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you."
(By Vance Petree, Virginia Power)
On Mar 9, 2005, at 6:06 PM, Mark Constable
wrote:
Sounds like all we'd need for comping together instruments though. Along these lines, and this would help Julien, is
anyone
aware of any shell tools to deal with sf2 soundfonts ?
I would be very interested in cooperating with anyone else
that may be able to help build a set of command line sf2
extraction and rebuild tools.
Takashi Iwai included two utilities in awesfx 0.4.2, one which
dumped the metadata of a SF2 to a text file, and another
which compiled the (possibly modified) text file and original
SF2 into a new SF2. With it you could make minor edits
to a soundfont from the command line. As-is, it's not going
to help build a soundfont from single wave files, but it
might be a great starting point for building such a tool.
-Sean 
5:51 p.m.
On Thu, Mar 10, 2005 at 09:25:04PM +0000, james(a)dis-dot-dat.net wrote:
On Thu, 10 Mar, 2005 at 04:07PM -0500, John Check
spake thus:
I don't have time to contribute at the moment, but I would like to be
able to create soundfonts from scripts. A commandline tool would help
with that.
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On Thursday 10 March 2005 11:51 am, Sean Bolton
wrote:
swami also uses a library (packaged handily seperately) called
libinstpatch that seems to be just what we need: a library for
manipulating SF2 files. I'm about to have a closer look, but it seems
like this will make a nice back-end and will make this project
practically an accessible implementation of swami. On Mar 9, 2005, at 6:06 PM, Mark Constable
wrote:
Sounds like all we'd need for comping together instruments though.
Along these lines, and this would help Julien, is
anyone
aware of any shell tools to deal with sf2 soundfonts ?
I would be very interested in cooperating with anyone else
that may be able to help build a set of command line sf2
extraction and rebuild tools.
Takashi Iwai included two utilities in awesfx 0.4.2,
one which
dumped the metadata of a SF2 to a text file, and another
which compiled the (possibly modified) text file and original
SF2 into a new SF2. With it you could make minor edits
to a soundfont from the command line. As-is, it's not going
to help build a soundfont from single wave files, but it
might be a great starting point for building such a tool.
-Sean
5:59 p.m.
On Thu, 10 Mar, 2005 at 04:51PM -0500, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki spake thus:
On Thu, Mar 10, 2005 at 09:25:04PM +0000,
james(a)dis-dot-dat.net wrote:
You've just signed yourself up as a tester, sonny-jim :)
--
"I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated
Development
That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you."
(By Vance Petree, Virginia Power)
On Thu, 10 Mar, 2005 at 04:07PM -0500, John Check
spake thus:
I don't have time to contribute at the moment, but I would like to be
able to create soundfonts from scripts. A commandline tool would help
with that. On Thursday 10 March 2005 11:51 am, Sean Bolton
wrote:
swami also uses a library (packaged handily seperately) called
libinstpatch that seems to be just what we need: a library for
manipulating SF2 files. I'm about to have a closer look, but it seems
like this will make a nice back-end and will make this project
practically an accessible implementation of swami. On Mar 9, 2005, at 6:06 PM, Mark Constable
wrote:
> Along these lines, and this would help Julien, is anyone
> aware of any shell tools to deal with sf2 soundfonts ?
> I would be very interested in cooperating with anyone else
> that may be able to help build a set of command line sf2
> extraction and rebuild tools.
Takashi Iwai included two utilities in awesfx 0.4.2, one which
dumped the metadata of a SF2 to a text file, and another
which compiled the (possibly modified) text file and original
SF2 into a new SF2. With it you could make minor edits
to a soundfont from the command line. As-is, it's not going
to help build a soundfont from single wave files, but it
might be a great starting point for building such a tool.
-Sean
Sounds like all we'd need for comping together instruments though.
11 Mar
11 Mar
8:31 a.m.
Last Thursday 10 March 2005 16:51, Sean Bolton was like:
Takashi Iwai included two utilities in awesfx 0.4.2,
one which
dumped the metadata of a SF2 to a text file, and another
which compiled the (possibly modified) text file and original
SF2 into a new SF2. With it you could make minor edits
to a soundfont from the command line. As-is, it's not going
to help build a soundfont from single wave files, but it
might be a great starting point for building such a tool.
That's awesfxome! because I don't have a soundblaster, I don't have the
package installed usually. Thanks for the tip.
cheers,
tim hall
http://glastonburymusic.org.uk
10 Mar
10 Mar
5:09 p.m.
On Wednesday 09 March 2005 09:06 pm, Mark Constable wrote:
I'll have a look and see if I can get it into a soundfont via Smurf.
Julien Claassen wrote:
> At http://freepats.opensrc.org there is a mellotron sample in the flac
Note on the topic of "Mellotron". Forgive me if you know this. Mellotrons are
basically a tape loop for every key and pressing said key drops a playback
head on the tape. It's a primitive analog sampler, if you will.
format.
I'm very interested in this sound. I'd like to see it in a
soundfont, so it can be used with fluidsynth. Unfortunately I only can
convert this sample to the .wav or .raw format and split the different
samples from one another. The actual soundfont creation (with swami) I
can't do. Would anyone be interested in this kind of project?
I'm sorry I can't help you directly Julien but
smurf just
crashes on me after a few minutes and I've never been able
to figure out how to use it anyway, and swami doesn't exist
as a Gentoo package.
That would be most useful combined with a repository and web frontend
for comping individual instruments into larger sets.
As said I'd convert and split the flac file
and do, what else I can,
but for the final swami-touch, I'd need some help, because I'm blind. I'm
looking forward to hear from someone!
Along these lines, and this would help Julien, is anyone
aware of any shell tools to deal with sf2 soundfonts ?
I would be very interested in cooperating with anyone else
that may be able to help build a set of command line sf2
extraction and rebuild tools.
--markc
12 Mar
12 Mar
12:21 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Anyone interested in helping with melotron
Mark Constable wrote:
I'm sorry I can't help you directly Julien but smurf just
crashes on me after a few minutes and I've never been able
to figure out how to use it anyway, and swami doesn't exist
as a Gentoo package.
Hi Mark...
I have an ebuild for swami-0.9.1 . If you want i can send it
to you. There is also one for 0.9.2 on gentoo bugzilla, but havent
tried it
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=83114
Rossen
9 Mar
9 Mar
11:42 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] Anyone interested in helping with melotron
On Wed, 9 Mar 2005, Julien Claassen wrote:
Hi!
At http://freepats.opensrc.org there is a mellotron sample in the flac
format. I'm very interested in this sound. I'd like to see it in a soundfont,
so it can be used with fluidsynth. Unfortunately I only can convert this
sample to the .wav or .raw format and split the different samples from one
another. The actual soundfont creation (with swami) I can't do. Would anyone
be interested in this kind of project?
As said I'd convert and split the flac file and do, what else I can, but
for the final swami-touch, I'd need some help, because I'm blind.
I'm looking forward to hear from someone!
Kindest regards
Julien
Julien,
Since I have some experience with swami having done my Soprano Sax
soundfont (http://64.136.57.245/soundfonts/SopranoSax.sf2.gz), I'll give
it a shot, but I can't promise a timeframe.
BTW: I loaded the flac into audacity and can't make heads or tails of it.
How are you working with it?
Regards,
Bill
10 Mar
10 Mar
7:54 a.m.
Last Wednesday 09 March 2005 22:24, Julien Claassen was like:
The actual soundfont creation (with swami) I can't
do. Would anyone
be interested in this kind of project?
As said I'd convert and split the flac file and do, what else I can, but
for the final swami-touch, I'd need some help, because I'm blind.
Sadly I never could figure out how to use Smurf, being able to see the GUI
doesn't help much and I never got round to compiling Swami, it's not included
in AGNULA/DeMuDi, so I'm wondering if it's less-than-free or what the deal is
with it. It strikes me as being dumb to use the .sf2 format if we don't have
an accessible editor. Either we help Josh Green make Swami accessible and
distributable or we should seriously consider some other options.
Just my 2 small denominational coins,
tim hall
http://glastonburymusic.org.uk
5:08 p.m.
On Thursday 10 March 2005 06:54 am, tim hall wrote:
Last Wednesday 09 March 2005 22:24, Julien Claassen
was like:
As far as moving patches from one font to another, hilite the source patch and
right click over the destination for a context menu with "paste".
FWIW, Multiple selections work. What other questions have ye?
The actual soundfont creation (with swami) I
can't do. Would anyone
be interested in this kind of project?
As said I'd convert and split the flac file and do, what else I can,
but for the final swami-touch, I'd need some help, because I'm blind.
Sadly I never could figure out how to use Smurf, being able to see the GUI doesn't help much and I never got round to
compiling Swami, it's not
included in AGNULA/DeMuDi, so I'm wondering if it's less-than-free or what
the deal is with it. It strikes me as being dumb to use the .sf2 format if
we don't have an accessible editor. Either we help Josh Green make Swami
accessible and distributable or we should seriously consider some other
options.
Well.. the format exists already and is widespread, so while designing a
replacement or reimplementation has it's merits, it'd be throwing out the
baby with the bath water.
Just my 2 small denominational coins,
tim hall
http://glastonburymusic.org.uk
11 Mar
11 Mar
8:44 a.m.
Last Thursday 10 March 2005 21:08, John Check was like:
I wasn't really suggesting throwing out the baby. If it's an open format, no
problem. If there are no license problems, I would have thought that building
a command-line interface for SWAMI would really be the way to go.
cheers,
tim hall
http://glastonburymusic.org.uk
As far as moving patches from one font to another,
hilite the source patch
and right click over the destination for a context menu with "paste".
FWIW, Multiple selections work. What other questions have ye?
Thanks John, I'll try it again then.
How do I get smurf to make any sound? I have ALSA/MIDI working perfectly and
yet I don't seem to be able to hook my external keyboard up so it can trigger
the soundfont I want to edit. Smurf is pre-JACK isn't it?
doesn't
help much and I never got round to compiling Swami, it's not
included in AGNULA/DeMuDi, so I'm wondering if it's less-than-free or
what the deal is with it. It strikes me as being dumb to use the .sf2
format if we don't have an accessible editor. Either we help Josh Green
make Swami accessible and distributable or we should seriously consider
some other options.
Well.. the format exists already and is widespread, so while designing a
replacement or reimplementation has it's merits, it'd be throwing out the
baby with the bath water.
9:45 a.m.
On Fri, 11 Mar, 2005 at 12:44PM +0000, tim hall spake thus:
Last Thursday 10 March 2005 21:08, John Check was
like:
I wasn't really suggesting throwing out the baby. If it's an open format, no
problem. If there are no license problems, I would have thought that building
a command-line interface for SWAMI would really be the way to go.
That does solve some "problems" - it becomes commandline and
more accessible. It doesn't really solve all of them, though: you'd
have to have a program that did everything in a session.
Ideally, we want a way to be able to create soundfonts as they are
needed with commandline tools. You get the accessibility, plus you
can write the patch descriptions in any editor, or from a script,
whatever. You then just compile the description and waves into a
soundfont. This way is much more flexible.
As far as moving patches from one font to
another, hilite the source patch
and right click over the destination for a context menu with "paste".
FWIW, Multiple selections work. What other questions have ye?
Thanks John, I'll try it again then.
How do I get smurf to make any sound? I have ALSA/MIDI working perfectly and
yet I don't seem to be able to hook my external keyboard up so it can trigger
the soundfont I want to edit. Smurf is pre-JACK isn't it?
doesn't help much and I never got round to compiling Swami, it's not
included in AGNULA/DeMuDi, so I'm wondering if it's less-than-free or
what the deal is with it. It strikes me as being dumb to use the .sf2
format if we don't have an accessible editor. Either we help Josh Green
make Swami accessible and distributable or we should seriously consider
some other options.
Well.. the format exists already and is widespread, so while designing a
replacement or reimplementation has it's merits, it'd be throwing out the
baby with the bath water. cheers,
tim hall
http://glastonburymusic.org.uk
--
"I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated
Development
That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you."
(By Vance Petree, Virginia Power)
11:35 a.m.
On Friday 11 March 2005 08:45 am, james(a)dis-dot-dat.net wrote:
On Fri, 11 Mar, 2005 at 12:44PM +0000, tim hall spake
thus:
Too, there are a carload of parameters per sample * instruments * presets.
Last Thursday 10 March 2005 21:08, John Check was
like:
I wasn't really suggesting throwing out the baby. If it's an open format,
no problem. If there are no license problems, I would have thought that
building a command-line interface for SWAMI would really be the way to
go.
That does solve some "problems" - it becomes commandline and
more accessible. It doesn't really solve all of them, though: you'd
have to have a program that did everything in a session.
As far as moving patches from one font to
another, hilite the source
patch and right click over the destination for a context menu with
"paste". FWIW, Multiple selections work. What other questions have ye?
Thanks John, I'll try it again then.
How do I get smurf to make any sound? I have ALSA/MIDI working perfectly
and yet I don't seem to be able to hook my external keyboard up so it can
trigger the soundfont I want to edit. Smurf is pre-JACK isn't it?
doesn't help much and I never got round to compiling Swami, it's not
included in AGNULA/DeMuDi, so I'm wondering if it's less-than-free or
what the deal is with it. It strikes me as being dumb to use the .sf2
format if we don't have an accessible editor. Either we help Josh
Green make Swami accessible and distributable or we should seriously
consider some other options.
Well.. the format exists already and is widespread, so while designing
a replacement or reimplementation has it's merits, it'd be throwing
out the baby with the bath water. Ideally, we want a way to be able to create soundfonts
as they are
needed with commandline tools. You get the accessibility, plus you
can write the patch descriptions in any editor, or from a script,
whatever. You then just compile the description and waves into a
soundfont. This way is much more flexible.
First thing that comes to mind from an efficiency POV is setting loop points
in the individual samples (snippet) that make up the instruments. I don't
know what kind of algorithm it would take.. finding zero crossings is easy
enough, but getting a smooth loop can be a challenge WRT timbre.
> cheers,
>
> tim hall
> http://glastonburymusic.org.uk
12:08 p.m.
On Fri, 11 Mar, 2005 at 10:35AM -0500, John Check spake thus:
<snip>
--
"I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated
Development
That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you."
(By Vance Petree, Virginia Power)
Too, there are a carload of parameters per sample *
instruments * presets.
This is a good point, and although it relates to the commandline sf
tools, it's probably best kept as a separate problem. If we get this
part right, a sample auditor could be used that exports the loop
points and puts them in the description file.
Ideally, we want a way to be able to create
soundfonts as they are
needed with commandline tools. You get the accessibility, plus you
can write the patch descriptions in any editor, or from a script,
whatever. You then just compile the description and waves into a
soundfont. This way is much more flexible.
First thing that comes to mind from an efficiency POV is setting loop points
in the individual samples (snippet) that make up the instruments. I don't
know what kind of algorithm it would take.. finding zero crossings is easy
enough, but getting a smooth loop can be a challenge WRT timbre. > cheers,
>
> tim hall
> http://glastonburymusic.org.uk
12:33 p.m.
On Friday 11 March 2005 11:08 am, james(a)dis-dot-dat.net wrote:
On Fri, 11 Mar, 2005 at 10:35AM -0500, John Check
spake thus:
<snip>
Too, there are a carload of parameters per sample
* instruments *
presets.
This is a good point, and although it relates to the commandline sf
tools, it's probably best kept as a separate problem. If we get this
part right, a sample auditor could be used that exports the loop
points and puts them in the description file.
> > > cheers,
> > >
> > > tim hall
> > > http://glastonburymusic.org.uk Ideally, we want a way to be able to create
soundfonts as they are
needed with commandline tools. You get the accessibility, plus you
can write the patch descriptions in any editor, or from a script,
whatever. You then just compile the description and waves into a
soundfont. This way is much more flexible.
First thing that comes to mind from an efficiency POV is setting loop
points in the individual samples (snippet) that make up the instruments.
I don't know what kind of algorithm it would take.. finding zero
crossings is easy enough, but getting a smooth loop can be a challenge
WRT timbre.
12:38 p.m.
On Friday 11 March 2005 11:08 am, james(a)dis-dot-dat.net wrote:
On Fri, 11 Mar, 2005 at 10:35AM -0500, John Check
spake thus:
<snip>
Really, I was more concerned with the first part of that than timbre.
It would be nice if there was a quick way to audition the loop points.
Too, there are a carload of parameters per sample
* instruments *
presets.
This is a good point, and although it relates to the commandline sf
tools, it's probably best kept as a separate problem. If we get this
part right, a sample auditor could be used that exports the loop
points and puts them in the description file.
Ideally, we want a way to be able to create
soundfonts as they are
needed with commandline tools. You get the accessibility, plus you
can write the patch descriptions in any editor, or from a script,
whatever. You then just compile the description and waves into a
soundfont. This way is much more flexible.
First thing that comes to mind from an efficiency POV is setting loop
points in the individual samples (snippet) that make up the instruments.
I don't know what kind of algorithm it would take.. finding zero
crossings is easy enough, but getting a smooth loop can be a challenge
WRT timbre. > > > cheers,
> > >
> > > tim hall
> > > http://glastonburymusic.org.uk
1:42 p.m.
On Fri, 11 Mar, 2005 at 11:37AM -0500, John Check spake thus:
--
"I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated
Development
That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you."
(By Vance Petree, Virginia Power)
On Friday 11 March 2005 11:08 am,
james(a)dis-dot-dat.net wrote:
I mean the same thing. What we'll end up with here are a number of
tools, not just one. Adding one more to work with loop offsets is
probably a good idea, but we can ignore it for now and concentrate on
the actual compiling/decompiling.
I think your idea is a good one.
On Fri, 11 Mar, 2005 at 10:35AM -0500, John Check
spake thus:
<snip>
Really, I was more concerned with the first part of that than timbre.
It would be nice if there was a quick way to audition the loop points. Too, there are a carload of parameters per sample
* instruments *
presets.
This is a good point, and although it relates to the commandline sf
tools, it's probably best kept as a separate problem. If we get this
part right, a sample auditor could be used that exports the loop
points and puts them in the description file.
Ideally, we want a way to be able to create
soundfonts as they are
needed with commandline tools. You get the accessibility, plus you
can write the patch descriptions in any editor, or from a script,
whatever. You then just compile the description and waves into a
soundfont. This way is much more flexible.
First thing that comes to mind from an efficiency POV is setting loop
points in the individual samples (snippet) that make up the instruments.
I don't know what kind of algorithm it would take.. finding zero
crossings is easy enough, but getting a smooth loop can be a challenge
WRT timbre. > > > cheers,
> > >
> > > tim hall
> > > http://glastonburymusic.org.uk
11:16 a.m.
On Friday 11 March 2005 07:44 am, tim hall wrote:
I wasn't really suggesting throwing out the baby. If it's an open format,
no problem. If there are no license problems, I would have thought that
building a command-line interface for SWAMI would really be the way to go.
cheers,
tim hall
http://glastonburymusic.org.uk
Last Thursday 10 March 2005 21:08, John Check was
like:
Pre Jack yes. Yer keyboard should be fired up before you start the program.
I notice a bug (or feature perhaps) where by edits don't get loaded into the
wavetable until it's refreshed. Fastest way is to select another patch
(sample|instrument|preset) then reselect the edited one. You may also
need MIDI thru set appropriately.
As far as moving patches from one font to
another, hilite the source
patch and right click over the destination for a context menu with
"paste". FWIW, Multiple selections work. What other questions have ye?
Thanks John, I'll try it again then.
How do I get smurf to make any sound? I have ALSA/MIDI working perfectly
and yet I don't seem to be able to hook my external keyboard up so it can
trigger the soundfont I want to edit. Smurf is pre-JACK isn't it?
doesn't help much and I never got round to compiling Swami, it's not
included in AGNULA/DeMuDi, so I'm wondering if it's less-than-free or
what the deal is with it. It strikes me as being dumb to use the .sf2
format if we don't have an accessible editor. Either we help Josh Green
make Swami accessible and distributable or we should seriously consider
some other options.
Well.. the format exists already and is widespread, so while designing a
replacement or reimplementation has it's merits, it'd be throwing out
the baby with the bath water.
12 Mar
12 Mar
8:25 a.m.
Last Friday 11 March 2005 15:16, John Check was like:
Pre Jack yes. Yer keyboard should be fired up before
you start the program.
I notice a bug (or feature perhaps) where by edits don't get loaded into
the wavetable until it's refreshed. Fastest way is to select another patch
(sample|instrument|preset) then reselect the edited one. You may also need
MIDI thru set appropriately.
Hmm, I don't have a soundblaster-type soundcard, so I use fluid/QSynth. This
means I would need to use SWAMI surely? Unless there's a workaround.
cheers,
tim hall
http://glastonburymusic.org.uk
4 p.m.
On Saturday 12 March 2005 07:25 am, tim hall wrote:
Last Friday 11 March 2005 15:16, John Check was like:
Not sure. I think you can hook it to timidity/fluidsynth
Pre Jack yes. Yer keyboard should be fired up
before you start the
program. I notice a bug (or feature perhaps) where by edits don't get
loaded into the wavetable until it's refreshed. Fastest way is to select
another patch (sample|instrument|preset) then reselect the edited one.
You may also need MIDI thru set appropriately.
Hmm, I don't have a soundblaster-type soundcard, so I use fluid/QSynth.
This means I would need to use SWAMI surely? Unless there's a workaround.
cheers,
tim hall
http://glastonburymusic.org.uk
13 Mar
13 Mar
6:20 a.m.
Last Saturday 12 March 2005 20:00, John Check was like:
On Saturday 12 March 2005 07:25 am, tim hall wrote:
Thanks to Emillo, I now have Swami, and it works. [I'm so happy!] The
mellotron sounds most excellent. I don't think it's going to need that much
work just to smooth out the loops is it?
cheers,
tim hall
http://glastonburymusic.org.uk
Last Friday 11 March 2005 15:16, John Check was
like:
Not sure. I think you can hook it to timidity/fluidsynth Pre Jack yes. Yer keyboard should be fired up
before you start the
program. I notice a bug (or feature perhaps) where by edits don't get
loaded into the wavetable until it's refreshed. Fastest way is to
select another patch (sample|instrument|preset) then reselect the
edited one. You may also need MIDI thru set appropriately.
Hmm, I don't have a soundblaster-type soundcard, so I use fluid/QSynth.
This means I would need to use SWAMI surely? Unless there's a workaround.
6:57 p.m.
On Sunday 13 March 2005 05:20 am, tim hall wrote:
Last Saturday 12 March 2005 20:00, John Check was
like:
It's time consuming and tedious no matter how you slice it. How does swami
compare as an editor? Hopefully it'll be worth the time to investigate. I'd
hate to spend a day getting swami to build where that same day would have
been time enough to do the actual work I would like to get done.
On Saturday 12 March 2005 07:25 am, tim hall
wrote:
Thanks to Emillo, I now have Swami, and it works. [I'm so happy!] The
mellotron sounds most excellent. I don't think it's going to need that much
work just to smooth out the loops is it?
Last Friday 11 March 2005 15:16, John Check was
like:
Not sure. I think you can hook it to timidity/fluidsynth Pre Jack yes. Yer keyboard should be fired up
before you start the
program. I notice a bug (or feature perhaps) where by edits don't get
loaded into the wavetable until it's refreshed. Fastest way is to
select another patch (sample|instrument|preset) then reselect the
edited one. You may also need MIDI thru set appropriately.
Hmm, I don't have a soundblaster-type soundcard, so I use fluid/QSynth.
This means I would need to use SWAMI surely? Unless there's a
workaround. cheers,
tim hall
http://glastonburymusic.org.uk
10 Mar
10 Mar
7:49 p.m.
On Wednesday 09 March 2005 05:24 pm, Julien Claassen wrote:
Hi!
At http://freepats.opensrc.org there is a mellotron sample in the flac
Okay I decoded the flac to .wav format and tried loading it into Smurf,
but Smurf complains that the sample is > 8Mb (it's 24). I don't know if
it's
an inherent limitation of SoundFonts or of the editor.
I'll poke at it some more, but the fastest way to get it coming out the
speakers from a note on is to load it into Specimen. Mellotrons didn't have
any sort of amplitude envelope, crossfading or even zero crossing ability for
loops so it'd still be authentic sounding.
format. I'm very interested in this sound. I'd
like to see it in a
soundfont, so it can be used with fluidsynth. Unfortunately I only can
convert this sample to the .wav or .raw format and split the different
samples from one another. The actual soundfont creation (with swami) I
can't do. Would anyone be interested in this kind of project?
As said I'd convert and split the flac file and do, what else I can, but
for the final swami-touch, I'd need some help, because I'm blind.
I'm looking forward to hear from someone!
Kindest regards
Julien
--------
Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles)
======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ========
http://ltsb.sourceforge.net - the Linux TextBased Studio guide
8:01 p.m.
On Thu, 2005-03-10 at 18:49 -0500, John Check wrote:
On Wednesday 09 March 2005 05:24 pm, Julien Claassen
wrote:
It's the editor. Soundfonts can be quite big, 150MB or more. I don't
know that there's an upper limit.
Lee
Hi!
At http://freepats.opensrc.org there is a mellotron sample in the flac
Okay I decoded the flac to .wav format and tried loading it into Smurf,
but Smurf complains that the sample is > 8Mb (it's 24). I don't know if
it's
an inherent limitation of SoundFonts or of the editor.
8:08 p.m.
On Thursday 10 March 2005 07:01 pm, Lee Revell wrote:
On Thu, 2005-03-10 at 18:49 -0500, John Check wrote:
Okay heres what the deal is. The file is a series of pitched samples comped
into one big file. Right now I have it in audacity, so I have to cut it up,
load the resulting samples into Smurf, set the ranges and whatnot, then save
it.
I think I'll bind some envelopes and filters to controllers while I'm at it.
Thinking velocity sensitivity at the moment.
On Wednesday 09 March 2005 05:24 pm, Julien
Claassen wrote:
It's the editor. Soundfonts can be quite big, 150MB or more. I don't
know that there's an upper limit.
Lee Hi!
At http://freepats.opensrc.org there is a mellotron sample in the
flac
Okay I decoded the flac to .wav format and tried loading it into Smurf,
but Smurf complains that the sample is > 8Mb (it's 24). I don't know if
it's an inherent limitation of SoundFonts or of the editor. 
11 Mar
11 Mar
6:47 a.m.
gioved?, 10 marzo 2005 alle 19:08:20, John Check ha scritto:
It's the editor. Soundfonts can be quite big, 150MB or more. I don't
know that there's an upper limit.
Lee
Okay heres what the deal is. The file is a series of pitched samples comped
into one big file. Right now I have it in audacity, so I have to cut it up,
load the resulting samples into Smurf, set the ranges and whatnot, then save
it.
I think I'll bind some envelopes and filters to controllers while I'm at it.
Thinking velocity sensitivity at the moment.
I've found this article that maybe can help in the process:
http://www.tweakheadz.com/SoundFont_Secrets.html
Ciao
--
Emiliano Grilli
Linux user #209089
http://www.emillo.net
Hi!
At http://freepats.opensrc.org there is a mellotron sample in the
flac
Okay I decoded the flac to .wav format and tried loading it into Smurf,
but Smurf complains that the sample is > 8Mb (it's 24). I don't know if
it's an inherent limitation of SoundFonts or of the editor.
8:54 a.m.
Last Friday 11 March 2005 10:44, Emiliano Grilli was like:
I've found this article that maybe can help in the
process:
http://www.tweakheadz.com/SoundFont_Secrets.html
Thanks Emillo, someone should tell him about free tools! I guess the Linux
equivalent of Vienna is Smurf/Swami? Actually I want to make really small
custom soundfonts containing only the sounds I want. This article will be
useful, bookmarked.
cheers,
tim hall
http://glastonburymusic.org.uk
9:37 a.m.
venerd?, 11 marzo 2005 alle 12:53:47, tim hall ha scritto:
Last Friday 11 March 2005 10:44, Emiliano Grilli was
like:
Yes, smurf (included in AGNULA/DeMuDi - version 0.52.6-6) seems to be
functional but no audition is possible without a wavetable card (I
guess, I don't have one). Swami should be the new name of the same
project and if I understand correctly it can use fluidsynth for audition,
and they are equivalent to vienna. Unfortunately, swami isn't included
in debian... I've build a quick deb with checkinstall, if you want to
try:
http://emillo.net/download/swami-0.9.2_0.9.2-1_i386.deb
It's ~ 602 Kb - I've taken 0.9.2 because an advice on the swami page
says that 1.0 versions are not guaranteed to work.
I think we should definately ask Free to package this :-)
Cheers,
--
Emiliano Grilli
Linux user #209089
http://www.emillo.net
I've found this article that maybe can help
in the process:
http://www.tweakheadz.com/SoundFont_Secrets.html
Thanks Emillo, someone should tell him about free tools! I guess the Linux
equivalent of Vienna is Smurf/Swami? Actually I want to make really small
custom soundfonts containing only the sounds I want. This article will be
useful, bookmarked.
11:57 a.m.
On Wednesday 09 March 2005 05:24 pm, Julien Claassen wrote:
Hi!
At http://freepats.opensrc.org there is a mellotron sample in the flac
format. I'm very interested in this sound. I'd like to see it in a
soundfont, so it can be used with fluidsynth. Unfortunately I only can
convert this sample to the .wav or .raw format and split the different
samples from one another. The actual soundfont creation (with swami) I
can't do. Would anyone be interested in this kind of project?
As said I'd convert and split the flac file and do, what else I can, but
for the final swami-touch, I'd need some help, because I'm blind.
I'm looking forward to hear from someone!
Kindest regards
Julien
I should have read this more carefully, I didn't realize you had the tones
broken out so I ripped the flac myself. I have the first two sounds imported
and assigned.. It still needs some polishing but I can post a link in about
an hour to a rough cut. Should be able to get a not-too-sucky 3 instrument
version out by this evening (gotta nap).
I don't know how attached you are to the samples you extracted,
but I can bang out loading the samples and assigning everything
to instruments and key ranges fairly quickly if you can provide a tarball.
--------
Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles)
======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ========
http://ltsb.sourceforge.net - the Linux TextBased Studio guide
2:18 p.m.
On Wednesday 09 March 2005 05:24 pm, Julien Claassen wrote:
Hi!
At http://freepats.opensrc.org there is a mellotron sample in the flac
format. I'm very interested in this sound. I'd like to see it in a
soundfont, so it can be used with fluidsynth. Unfortunately I only can
convert this sample to the .wav or .raw format and split the different
samples from one another. The actual soundfont creation (with swami) I
can't do. Would anyone be interested in this kind of project?
As said I'd convert and split the flac file and do, what else I can, but
for the final swami-touch, I'd need some help, because I'm blind.
I'm looking forward to hear from someone!
Kindest regards
Julien
Here is a link to a draft SoundFont. No loop points were set,
but looping is engaged. Approximately 12.3Mb.
http://65.125.227.61/mellotronia.SF2
I'll submit it to freepats when it's done.
--------
Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles)
======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ========
http://ltsb.sourceforge.net - the Linux TextBased Studio guide
12 Mar
12 Mar
6:29 p.m.
venerd?, 11 marzo 2005 alle 13:18:29, John Check ha scritto:
On Wednesday 09 March 2005 05:24 pm, Julien Claassen
wrote:
Hi !
Thanks for that.
As for looping, in the meanwhile a friendly guy from the italian
newsgroup it.comp.musica has done a looped version of the reed:
www.viandanze.com/materiale/mello.sf2 (~3.7 Mb)
He said that the problem (Ryan point that out some time ago) is that
those samples are too short, and that he had no luck either with normal
lopping or with ping pong. He used crossfade looping. the result isn't
that bad.
In order to avoid duplication of the effort, I suggest to join our
forces. I don't know if he can write in english, but I can eventually
act as a (not-so-good) translation gateway ;-) I put him in Cc.
Cheers,
--
Emiliano Grilli
Linux user #209089
http://www.emillo.net
Hi!
At http://freepats.opensrc.org there is a mellotron sample in the flac
format. I'm very interested in this sound. I'd like to see it in a
soundfont, so it can be used with fluidsynth. Unfortunately I only
can convert this sample to the .wav or .raw format and split the
different samples from one another. The actual soundfont creation
(with swami) I can't do. Would anyone be interested in this kind of
project? As said I'd convert and split the flac file and do, what
else I can, but
for the final swami-touch, I'd need some help, because I'm blind.
I'm looking forward to hear from someone!
Kindest regards Julien
Here is a link to a draft SoundFont. No loop points were set,
but looping is engaged. Approximately 12.3Mb.
http://65.125.227.61/mellotronia.SF2
I'll submit it to freepats when it's done.
13 Mar
13 Mar
6:45 p.m.
On Saturday 12 March 2005 05:29 pm, Emiliano Grilli wrote:
venerd?, 11 marzo 2005 alle 13:18:29, John Check ha
scritto:
Yes. The sample taker didn't consider the idiosyncracies of the instrument
either, but that's par for the course with sample patches not from a
professional source.
On Wednesday 09 March 2005 05:24 pm, Julien
Claassen wrote:
Hi !
Thanks for that.
As for looping, in the meanwhile a friendly guy from the italian
newsgroup it.comp.musica has done a looped version of the reed:
www.viandanze.com/materiale/mello.sf2 (~3.7 Mb)
He said that the problem (Ryan point that out some time ago) is that
those samples are too short, and that he had no luck either with normal Hi!
At http://freepats.opensrc.org there is a mellotron sample in the
flac format. I'm very interested in this sound. I'd like to see it in a
soundfont, so it can be used with fluidsynth. Unfortunately I only can
convert this sample to the .wav or .raw format and split the different
samples from one another. The actual soundfont creation (with swami) I
can't do. Would anyone be interested in this kind of project? As said
I'd convert and split the flac file and do, what else I can, but
for the final swami-touch, I'd need some help, because I'm blind.
I'm looking forward to hear from someone!
Kindest regards Julien
Here is a link to a draft SoundFont. No loop points were set,
but looping is engaged. Approximately 12.3Mb.
http://65.125.227.61/mellotronia.SF2
I'll submit it to freepats when it's done. lopping or with ping pong. He used crossfade looping.
the result isn't
that bad.
I haven't seen any indication of crossfade looping capability in smurf. By
"ping pong" do you mean play forward and then reverse? That has obvious
artifacts.
In order to avoid duplication of the effort, I suggest
to join our
forces. I don't know if he can write in english, but I can eventually
act as a (not-so-good) translation gateway ;-) I put him in Cc.
Cheers,
That's the sensible thing to do. I'd be interested in knowing what his plan to
proceed is.
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