27 Apr
2010
27 Apr
'10
7:13 p.m.
Hi,
I play bassguitar and I am starting wit trumpet. Those things make
noise...
1) What can I do for noise reduction?
2) what can I do for improving the room accoustics?
Thanks in advance,
\r
27 Apr
27 Apr
9:31 p.m.
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 07:13:43PM +0200, rosea.grammostola wrote:
I play bassguitar and I am starting wit trumpet. Those
things make
noise...
1) What can I do for noise reduction?
2) what can I do for improving the room accoustics?
Why don't you just play acoustic guitar or alto recorder ? :-)
Two difficult cases if you want to remain friends with the
neighbours. In that case you need isolation and that is always
an order of magnitude more difficult and expensive than just
some absorption. The cheapest options could be to
a) move,
b) buy out the neighbours,
c) bribe them.
In particular isolating bass can be difficult. If the existing
walls don't provide the necessary attenuation then only more
heavy and thicker ones will. Try to avoid direct transmission
(i.e. not via the air but via the building structure) by putting
the amp/speaker on some damping material.
For the trumpet, one thing you could do is to play facing
and close to a very absorbing surface. Trumpets are quite
directional as a sound source, so this will limit the problem
close to the source.
Ciao,
--
FA
O tu, che porte, correndo si ?
E guerra e morte !
10:28 p.m.
On Tue, 2010-04-27 at 21:32 +0200, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 07:13:43PM +0200,
rosea.grammostola wrote:
:)
Thanks for your reply
I play bassguitar and I am starting wit trumpet.
Those things make
noise...
1) What can I do for noise reduction?
2) what can I do for improving the room accoustics?
Why don't you just play acoustic guitar or alto recorder ? :-) In particular isolating bass can be difficult. If the
existing
walls don't provide the necessary attenuation then only more
heavy and thicker ones will. Try to avoid direct transmission
(i.e. not via the air but via the building structure) by putting
the amp/speaker on some damping material.
Did that. The Amp, peavey TKO 75 is on wheels, I made two wooden blocks
and some damping material for speakers, and put the amp on that.
Maybe it makes sense to point the speakers of the amp into the direction
where people live who have a higher acceptance level...
For the trumpet, one thing you could do is to play facing
and close to a very absorbing surface. Trumpets are quite
directional as a sound source, so this will limit the problem
close to the source.
Very interesting and helpful suggestion. What material do you suggest?
Regards,
\r
10:56 p.m.
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 10:28:11PM +0200, rosea.grammostola wrote:
The fiberglass 'glass wool' slabs used mostly for heat insulation
should work well. They usually have one side covered with paper.
Put that side to the wall, and cover the 'fluffy' side with some
thick tissue or curtain.
If you have a free corner, cover at least 2m on each side. Also
good for recording vocals, with a directional mic pointing into
the corner.
Ciao,
--
FA
O tu, che porte, correndo si ?
E guerra e morte !
For the
trumpet, one thing you could do is to play facing
and close to a very absorbing surface. Trumpets are quite
directional as a sound source, so this will limit the problem
close to the source.
Very interesting and helpful suggestion. What material do you suggest?
11:33 p.m.
On Tue, 2010-04-27 at 22:57 +0200, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 10:28:11PM +0200,
rosea.grammostola wrote:
The fiberglass 'glass wool' slabs used mostly for heat insulation
should work well. They usually have one side covered with paper.
Put that side to the wall, and cover the 'fluffy' side with some
thick tissue or curtain.
If you have a free corner, cover at least 2m on each side. Also
good for recording vocals, with a directional mic pointing into
the corner.
2m on each side, you're talking about the width or height?
I've an corner: width of the two sides: 130cm and 110cm, height = 300cm
Glass wool is not very pretty in my room though...
I see the cybershop Thomann is selling some 'noppenschaum' stuff
http://www.thomann.de/nl/standaard_absorber.html
Are those materials good? What can you say about that?
Thanks in advance,
\r
For the
trumpet, one thing you could do is to play facing
and close to a very absorbing surface. Trumpets are quite
directional as a sound source, so this will limit the problem
close to the source.
Very interesting and helpful suggestion. What material do you suggest?
11:36 p.m.
On Tue, 2010-04-27 at 23:33 +0200, rosea.grammostola wrote:
On Tue, 2010-04-27 at 22:57 +0200, Fons Adriaensen
wrote:
They also have stuff for bass
http://www.thomann.de/nl/bas_breedband_absorber.html
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 10:28:11PM +0200,
rosea.grammostola wrote:
The fiberglass 'glass wool' slabs used mostly for heat insulation
should work well. They usually have one side covered with paper.
Put that side to the wall, and cover the 'fluffy' side with some
thick tissue or curtain.
If you have a free corner, cover at least 2m on each side. Also
good for recording vocals, with a directional mic pointing into
the corner.
2m on each side, you're talking about the width or height?
I've an corner: width of the two sides: 130cm and 110cm, height = 300cm
Glass wool is not very pretty in my room though...
I see the cybershop Thomann is selling some 'noppenschaum' stuff
http://www.thomann.de/nl/standaard_absorber.html
Are those materials good? What can you say about that?
Thanks in advance,
\r For the
trumpet, one thing you could do is to play facing
and close to a very absorbing surface. Trumpets are quite
directional as a sound source, so this will limit the problem
close to the source.
Very interesting and helpful suggestion. What material do you suggest? 
28 Apr
28 Apr
8:45 a.m.
tisdag 27 april 2010 23.33.25 skrev rosea.grammostola:
2m on each side, you're talking about the width or
height?
I've an corner: width of the two sides: 130cm and 110cm, height = 300cm
Width, so you won't get 2 meter on each side in your case, but 130 and 110 is
way much better that nothing. To cover from bottom to top (3 m) is probably a
good idea.
Glass wool is not very pretty in my room though...
I see the cybershop Thomann is selling some 'noppenschaum' stuff
http://www.thomann.de/nl/standaard_absorber.html
Are those materials good? What can you say about that?
You can cover the insulation with a (metal net), blanket or any kind of
textile or combination you like - even use a spray can and paint it, it might
even look cool.
What kind of stuff you choose to use is often tricky to decide. IMO, glass and
mineral wool tend to be more neutral when it comes to sound reflections while
foam based insulation tends to reflect more deeper sounds, which makes the
acoustic worthless. It's far better to have some reflections which have a nice
sound than a unbalanced bad sounding reflections - that often means some kind
of wood wall with thick insulation. You also play bass guitar, that means that
you probably want to cover the corner with a bass trap as well.
Information about this subject is everywhere, the 'net is full of wannabe
experts (like me), some pointers that can help you:
http://www.acoustics101.com/
http://artsites.ucsc.edu/EMS/music/tech_background/TE-14/teces_14.html
http://www.auralex.com/c_studio_construction/c_studio_construction.asp
http://www.tweakheadz.com/acoustic_room_treatment.htm
Jostein
12:20 a.m.
For the trumpet, one thing you could do is to play
facing
and close to a very absorbing surface. Trumpets are quite
directional as a sound source, so this will limit the problem
close to the source.
There are mute-like devices you can put into the bell of a trumpet,
then you listen via headphones. There are also "cases" which you place
over a saxophone for the same reason. Never tried either ... and they
look expensive :) Another, quite serious suggestion, is to learn to
play quietly .... it will make an improvement on your technique.
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12:52 a.m.
On 04/28/2010 05:32 AM, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 07:13:43PM +0200,
rosea.grammostola wrote:
Practise bass with no amp, or if you're handy with woodwork, build
yourself an acoustic bass guitar.
http://web.archive.org/web/20050314051654/http://www.marchab.com.ar/Archivo…
There are 'silent' practice mutes for brass, using whizz-bang
electronics and headphones, but these aren't cheap, as has been mentioned.
There are conventional practice mutes available "from all good music
stores", as in this random link:
http://www.hickeys.com/cgi/display.cgi?cart_id=&page=tr26pr.htm
You can make a practice mute out of an old air freshener:
http://www.dallasmusic.org/gearhead/Renuzit%20Practice%20Mute.html
I play bassguitar and I am starting wit trumpet.
Those things make
noise...
1) What can I do for noise reduction?
2) what can I do for improving the room accoustics?
Why don't you just play acoustic guitar or alto recorder ? :-)
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