oh no! I mean SuperCollider the music language app. look at http://www.audiosynth.com and help make the linux port of SC server! http://sourceforge.net/projects/supercollider/ as to my original point, it's mostly being summed up in the other thread of mp3 vs. ogg etc... originally, I wrote to respond to questions regarding a lack of prebuilt tools, a small user base, etc. I was giving my perspective as an educated, experienced studio and computer music user, but coming from the professional and academic worlds wherein we all used Macintosh. My point was that I was excited by the prospect of learning morel, being on the cutting edge, being in the community of Linux users, but that, even as an experienced user, I was finding it very very difficult to make the transition, but I thought it might be intersting to understand why I was learning linux. The philosophizing came in the form of questions like: "is it a good thing or a bad thing to be an elite group of users?" "do linux audio users want to exist as part of a specifically educated group or to make it useable by joe-reason user?" basically pointing out that when you become so far inside a specific knowledge base it is sometimes hard to see how opaque it may appear from outside --cf. improv or avant-garde music cliques... I was just poking the hornet's nest, as usual. please don't take this sort of response as complaining! I am really happy with the available sounds and software and you can expect a note somewhere on any releases i make from now on that linux was used. -- _________________________________________________________________ Jonathan Segel -- MAGNETIC -- PO Box 460816 S.F. CA. 94146-0816 4014 Brookdale Ave. Oakland, CA 94619 jsegel(a)magneticmotorworks.com <-----> magsatellite(a)yahoo.com http://www.MagneticMotorworks.com tel (510) 534 7825 cell (510) 484 7415 fax (425) 955 4495