OK, back home again, with the feet under the desk. I have a question. I've been having a terrific run with Ingen, and slowly building up an orchestral template. Can i open jconv and linuxsampler in Ingen as either plugins, or 'recognised' apps? I'm not sure of the means of inserting command line apps in Ingen, so it may already be possible. I start both Jconv and Linuxsampler (with templates) from the command line by default these days, so a means of inserting a 'command line plugin' in Ingen might prove useful. (or not as the case may be) The intention is to build a series of 'layers' for each app and associated ports, all routed to the top 'master' view. If i can start Ingen, and load the saved patch file, then i hop that everything will start, including templates, in one go. Any help with this, or good reasons why it's not feasible, would be appreciated. Alex. -- Parchment Studios (It started as a joke...)