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1 Oct
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1:30 a.m.
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Somewhat off-topic, perhaps, sorry.
But I have some data in the proprietary format of the old SMTPETrack program for Atari ST,
but I long ago sold the Atari and the SMPTETrack software and its little game-port SMPTE
dongle (which was the copy-protection for the software too).
Just for curiosity's sake, I'd like to get a couple of those files converted to
standard MIDI format, and try to listen to 'em using PC51 soundfont in fluidsynth, for
instance, and all the other wonderful modern tools of linux goodness.
Any ideas how to do that? Short of buying an old Atari ST and the SMPTETrack dongle on
EBay? This is only a mild curiosity and probably not worth spending money (or even much
more time than an hour or so).
- -ken
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1 Oct
1 Oct
9:03 a.m.
Ken Restivo wrote:
But I have some data in the proprietary format of the
old SMTPETrack program for Atari ST, but I long ago sold the Atari and the SMPTETrack
software and its little game-port SMPTE dongle (which was the copy-protection for the
software too).
Just for curiosity's sake, I'd like to get a couple of those files converted to
standard MIDI format, and try to listen to 'em using PC51 soundfont in fluidsynth, for
instance, and all the other wonderful modern tools of linux goodness.
Any ideas how to do that? Short of buying an old Atari ST and the SMPTETrack dongle on
EBay? This is only a mild curiosity and probably not worth spending money (or even much
more time than an hour or so).
Maybe XSteem can help ?
http://steem.atari.st/
Might not be what you want if that dongle's an absolute necessity.
Best,
dp
2 Oct
2 Oct
12:20 a.m.
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On Mon, Oct 01, 2007 at 07:42:00AM -0400, Dave Phillips wrote:
Ken Restivo wrote:
Wow. Just wow. It works! Along with the copy of EditTrack y'all pointed me to here:
http://tamw.atari-users.net/dwnloads.htm
Amazing. What a great sequencer that was! I haven't used it in 15 years, but
surprisingly I remembered how to get around in it.
Now one question. EditTrack refuses to save the file in MID format. Even if I name the
file EXPORT.MID, it saves it in its proprietary SNG format instead.
It looks like steem will access /dev/midi or any OSS-style /dev/something MIDI port,
however. So I'm almost there. I just need to figure out how to get a /dev/midi kind of
device to show up in aconnect, then I can play the song on EditTrack in the virtual Atari,
and use aseqdump to capture it on Linux.
I've messed around with virmidi, etc, but haven't figured out how to do this
though. Is there any way to create a bridge between a /dev/device that will show up as an
ALSA sequencer port in aconnect/QjackCtl?
- -ken
But I have some data in the proprietary format of
the old SMTPETrack
program for Atari ST, but I long ago sold the Atari and the SMPTETrack
software and its little game-port SMPTE dongle (which was the
copy-protection for the software too).
Just for curiosity's sake, I'd like to get a couple of those files
converted to standard MIDI format, and try to listen to 'em using PC51
soundfont in fluidsynth, for instance, and all the other wonderful modern
tools of linux goodness.
Any ideas how to do that? Short of buying an old Atari ST and the
SMPTETrack dongle on EBay? This is only a mild curiosity and probably not
worth spending money (or even much more time than an hour or so).
Maybe XSteem can help ?
http://steem.atari.st/
Might not be what you want if that dongle's an absolute necessity.
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8:41 a.m.
On Monday 01 October 2007 10:19 pm, Ken Restivo wrote:
On Mon, Oct 01, 2007 at 07:42:00AM -0400, Dave
Phillips wrote:
On some of my boxes, I run this way:
modprobe snd-seq-oss
modprobe snd-virmidi
qjackctl
make sure Connect is selected
choose the midid tab
You should see the virmidi devices even before actuallt starting jack in
qjackctl. Do the ports from the Atari program show up there?
Ken Restivo wrote:
Wow. Just wow. It works! Along with the copy of EditTrack y'all pointed me
to here: http://tamw.atari-users.net/dwnloads.htm
Amazing. What a great sequencer that was! I haven't used it in 15 years,
but surprisingly I remembered how to get around in it.
Now one question. EditTrack refuses to save the file in MID format. Even if
I name the file EXPORT.MID, it saves it in its proprietary SNG format
instead.
It looks like steem will access /dev/midi or any OSS-style /dev/something
MIDI port, however. So I'm almost there. I just need to figure out how to
get a /dev/midi kind of device to show up in aconnect, then I can play the
song on EditTrack in the virtual Atari, and use aseqdump to capture it on
Linux.
I've messed around with virmidi, etc, but haven't figured out how to do
this though. Is there any way to create a bridge between a /dev/device that
will show up as an ALSA sequencer port in aconnect/QjackCtl? But I have some data in the proprietary format of
the old SMTPETrack
program for Atari ST, but I long ago sold the Atari and the SMPTETrack
software and its little game-port SMPTE dongle (which was the
copy-protection for the software too).
Just for curiosity's sake, I'd like to get a couple of those files
converted to standard MIDI format, and try to listen to 'em using PC51
soundfont in fluidsynth, for instance, and all the other wonderful
modern tools of linux goodness.
Any ideas how to do that? Short of buying an old Atari ST and the
SMPTETrack dongle on EBay? This is only a mild curiosity and probably
not worth spending money (or even much more time than an hour or so).
Maybe XSteem can help ?
http://steem.atari.st/
Might not be what you want if that dongle's an absolute necessity.
-ken
all the best,
drew
9:21 a.m.
drew Roberts wrote:
On Monday 01 October 2007 10:19 pm, Ken Restivo wrote:
Hi drew, hi Ken,
Here's how I do it:
Start Xsteem.
Open the Options/Ports dialog.
Select MIDI Port Device from the drop-down Connect-to menu.
Manually add /dev/midi or click on the Choose button and add whatever
device you like (this isn't working correctly, so I just write in the
portname).
I have three sound devices in my JAD system, including virmidi in card
slot #2 (from base #0). Thus, I connect to /dev/snd/midiC2D0. Make sure
you check the input/output boxes and the Open button (it doesn't look
like a button) in the Xsteem Options/Ports window.
drew was right, just do 'modprobe snd-virmidi' and that should add four
virtual MIDI ports that will instantly appear in the MIDI Connections
panel of QJackCtl.
Let me know if you need further help with Xsteem. And be sure to check
out the loads of cool apps at TAMW.
Best,
dp
It looks like steem will access /dev/midi or any
OSS-style /dev/something
MIDI port, however. So I'm almost there. I just need to figure out how to
get a /dev/midi kind of device to show up in aconnect, then I can play the
song on EditTrack in the virtual Atari, and use aseqdump to capture it on
Linux.
I've messed around with virmidi, etc, but haven't figured out how to do
this though. Is there any way to create a bridge between a /dev/device that
will show up as an ALSA sequencer port in aconnect/QjackCtl?
On some of my boxes, I run this way:
modprobe snd-seq-oss
modprobe snd-virmidi
qjackctl
make sure Connect is selected
choose the midid tab
You should see the virmidi devices even before actuallt starting jack in
qjackctl. Do the ports from the Atari program show up there?
2:23 p.m.
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On Tue, Oct 02, 2007 at 08:00:47AM -0400, Dave Phillips wrote:
drew Roberts wrote:
OK, this is what is confusing me. When I do as above, I get this:
client 0: 'System' [type=kernel]
0 'Timer '
1 'Announce '
client 14: 'Midi Through' [type=kernel]
0 'Midi Through Port-0'
client 16: 'FastTrack Pro' [type=kernel]
0 'FastTrack Pro MIDI 1'
client 20: 'Virtual Raw MIDI 1-0' [type=kernel]
0 'VirMIDI 1-0 '
client 21: 'Virtual Raw MIDI 1-1' [type=kernel]
0 'VirMIDI 1-1 '
client 22: 'Virtual Raw MIDI 1-2' [type=kernel]
0 'VirMIDI 1-2 '
client 23: 'Virtual Raw MIDI 1-3' [type=kernel]
0 'VirMIDI 1-3 '
In /dev, udev gives me stuff like:
crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 30 2007-10-02 09:17 /dev/admmidi1
crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 29 2007-10-02 09:17 /dev/amidi1
crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 9 2007-10-02 09:00 /dev/dmmidi
crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 25 2007-10-02 09:17 /dev/dmmidi1
crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 2 2007-10-02 09:00 /dev/midi
crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 18 2007-10-02 09:17 /dev/midi1
And in /dev/snd:
crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 0 2007-10-02 09:00 controlC0
crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 32 2007-10-02 09:17 controlC1
crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 8 2007-10-02 09:00 midiC0D0
crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 40 2007-10-02 09:17 midiC1D0
crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 41 2007-10-02 09:17 midiC1D1
crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 42 2007-10-02 09:17 midiC1D2
crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 43 2007-10-02 09:17 midiC1D3
crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 16 2007-10-02 09:00 pcmC0D0p
crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 25 2007-10-02 09:00 pcmC0D1c
crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 17 2007-10-02 09:00 pcmC0D1p
crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 1 2007-09-28 23:37 seq
crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 33 2007-09-28 23:37 timer
I can't make sense out of which of those ALSA (QJACKCtl) ports maps to which device in
the /dev tree! And, specifically, which one is /dev/midi, to which the Atari/steem is
connected? That's really the only missing peice for me: where do those wires lead to
exactly?
- -ken
On Monday 01 October 2007 10:19 pm, Ken Restivo
wrote:
Hi drew, hi Ken,
Here's how I do it:
Start Xsteem.
Open the Options/Ports dialog.
Select MIDI Port Device from the drop-down Connect-to menu.
Manually add /dev/midi or click on the Choose button and add whatever
device you like (this isn't working correctly, so I just write in the
portname).
I have three sound devices in my JAD system, including virmidi in card
slot #2 (from base #0). Thus, I connect to /dev/snd/midiC2D0. Make sure
you check the input/output boxes and the Open button (it doesn't look
like a button) in the Xsteem Options/Ports window.
drew was right, just do 'modprobe snd-virmidi' and that should add four
virtual MIDI ports that will instantly appear in the MIDI Connections
panel of QJackCtl.
Let me know if you need further help with Xsteem. And be sure to check
out the loads of cool apps at TAMW.
It looks like steem will access /dev/midi or any
OSS-style /dev/something
MIDI port, however. So I'm almost there. I just need to figure out how to
get a /dev/midi kind of device to show up in aconnect, then I can play the
song on EditTrack in the virtual Atari, and use aseqdump to capture it on
Linux.
I've messed around with virmidi, etc, but haven't figured out how to do
this though. Is there any way to create a bridge between a /dev/device
that
will show up as an ALSA sequencer port in aconnect/QjackCtl?
On some of my boxes, I run this way:
modprobe snd-seq-oss
modprobe snd-virmidi
qjackctl
make sure Connect is selected
choose the midid tab
You should see the virmidi devices even before actuallt starting jack in
qjackctl. Do the ports from the Atari program show up there?
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2:46 p.m.
Ken Restivo wrote:
client 20: 'Virtual Raw MIDI 1-0'
[type=kernel]
0 'VirMIDI 1-0 '
Looking good...
And in /dev/snd: ...
crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 40 2007-10-02 09:17 midiC1D0
There's your ID. 'cat /proc/asound/cards' also gives you the card
numbering.
I can't make sense out of which of those ALSA
(QJACKCtl) ports maps to which device in the /dev tree! And, specifically, which one is
/dev/midi, to which the Atari/steem is connected? That's really the only missing peice
for me: where do those wires lead to exactly?
Ergo, your first virmidi port is /dev/snd/midiC1D0. Set your MIDI port
in Xsteem to that value and you can route it anywhere you like in QJackCtl.
Is the Fast Track a USB interface ?
Best,
dp
2:42 p.m.
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On Tue, Oct 02, 2007 at 08:00:47AM -0400, Dave Phillips wrote:
drew Roberts wrote:
Ah! Nevermind, I got it.
/dev/snd/midiC1D0 is the Virmidi 0 device (20:0).
It's working, thanks!
I'll post success notice once I get it remixed.
- -ken
On Monday 01 October 2007 10:19 pm, Ken Restivo
wrote:
Hi drew, hi Ken,
Here's how I do it:
Start Xsteem.
Open the Options/Ports dialog.
Select MIDI Port Device from the drop-down Connect-to menu.
Manually add /dev/midi or click on the Choose button and add whatever
device you like (this isn't working correctly, so I just write in the
portname).
I have three sound devices in my JAD system, including virmidi in card
slot #2 (from base #0). Thus, I connect to /dev/snd/midiC2D0. Make sure
you check the input/output boxes and the Open button (it doesn't look
like a button) in the Xsteem Options/Ports window.
drew was right, just do 'modprobe snd-virmidi' and that should add four
virtual MIDI ports that will instantly appear in the MIDI Connections
panel of QJackCtl.
Let me know if you need further help with Xsteem. And be sure to check
out the loads of cool apps at TAMW.
It looks like steem will access /dev/midi or any
OSS-style /dev/something
MIDI port, however. So I'm almost there. I just need to figure out how to
get a /dev/midi kind of device to show up in aconnect, then I can play the
song on EditTrack in the virtual Atari, and use aseqdump to capture it on
Linux.
I've messed around with virmidi, etc, but haven't figured out how to do
this though. Is there any way to create a bridge between a /dev/device
that
will show up as an ALSA sequencer port in aconnect/QjackCtl?
On some of my boxes, I run this way:
modprobe snd-seq-oss
modprobe snd-virmidi
qjackctl
make sure Connect is selected
choose the midid tab
You should see the virmidi devices even before actuallt starting jack in
qjackctl. Do the ports from the Atari program show up there?
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1 Oct
1 Oct
11:26 a.m.
It looks like they released their programs for free, long after Atari died...
At least http://tamw.atari-users.net/dwnloads.htm has some zip files of
hybrid arts programs, maybe they work without dongle...
Edgar
Am Montag, 1. Oktober 2007 schrieb Ken Restivo:
Somewhat off-topic, perhaps, sorry.
But I have some data in the proprietary format of the old SMTPETrack program for Atari
ST, but I long ago sold the Atari and the SMPTETrack software and its little game-port
SMPTE dongle (which was the copy-protection for the software too).
Just for curiosity's sake, I'd like to get a couple of those files converted to
standard MIDI format, and try to listen to 'em using PC51 soundfont in fluidsynth, for
instance, and all the other wonderful modern tools of linux goodness.
Any ideas how to do that? Short of buying an old Atari ST and the SMPTETrack dongle on
EBay? This is only a mild curiosity and probably not worth spending money (or even much
more time than an hour or so).
-ken
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