14 Jan
2005
14 Jan
'05
7:10 a.m.
Hi.
I am in the process of working out the hardware of my
new personal workstation. This time, I'd like to get
a really good multichannel Pro-audio card with at least
96khz sampling rate, 24bit and around 8 analog channels.
I am looking at:
* TerraTec PHASE 88
* M-Audio Delta 1010(LT)
I can't quite decide between the TerraTec and M-Audio.
Regarding maturity of Linux ALSA drivers for these cards, what
would you suggest? Additionally, I couldn't find anything
which explained why the LT version is soo much cheaper. Is
this only about bundled software, or does the 1010lt version
have less hardware features than the Delta 1010?
Any other cards I might have missed which would fall
into the same category?
What would you suggest?
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CYa,
Mario
14 Jan
14 Jan
7:28 a.m.
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Mario Lang wrote:
* TerraTec PHASE 88
* M-Audio Delta 1010(LT)
Regarding maturity of Linux ALSA drivers for these cards, what
would you suggest?
Regarding ALSA drivers, you have the choice between the snd-ice1712
and the snd-ice1712 driver. :-)
Additionally, I couldn't find anything which
explained why the LT
version is soo much cheaper. Is this only about bundled software,
or does the 1010lt version have less hardware features than the
Delta 1010?
The 1010LT doesn't have a breakout box.
HTH
Clemens
7:34 a.m.
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I don't know about M-Audio Delta, but about TerraTec I can say only
the best - I have model of the old one, TerraTec 88MT and it works
like charm in both Linux and Windows. Have tested on multiple streams,
recordings - everything is just fine, quality is noticable better than
any average Audigy card.
And I guess I will never complain about ALSA ice1712 drivers, because
they work just fine and have even improved in last years.
Peter.
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:10:38 +0100, Mario Lang <mlang(a)delysid.org> wrote:
Hi.
I am in the process of working out the hardware of my
new personal workstation. This time, I'd like to get
a really good multichannel Pro-audio card with at least
96khz sampling rate, 24bit and around 8 analog channels.
I am looking at:
* TerraTec PHASE 88
* M-Audio Delta 1010(LT)
I can't quite decide between the TerraTec and M-Audio.
Regarding maturity of Linux ALSA drivers for these cards, what
would you suggest? Additionally, I couldn't find anything
which explained why the LT version is soo much cheaper. Is
this only about bundled software, or does the 1010lt version
have less hardware features than the Delta 1010?
Any other cards I might have missed which would fall
into the same category?
What would you suggest?
--
CYa,
Mario
7:42 a.m.
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On Fri, 14 Jan 2005, Mario Lang wrote:
Additionally, I couldn't find anything
which explained why the LT version is soo much cheaper. Is
this only about bundled software, or does the 1010lt version
have less hardware features than the Delta 1010?
The difference is that 1010 is
strictly professional device with
balanced (XLR) inputs/coutputs in a rack unit. 1010LT has unbalanced
(RCA) inputs/outputs (breakout cable). In fact 1010LT has larger number
of features than 1010.
Best regards,
Hannu
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8:02 a.m.
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On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:10:38 +0100
Mario Lang <mlang(a)delysid.org> wrote:
I can't quite decide between the TerraTec and
M-Audio.
Regarding maturity of Linux ALSA drivers for these cards, what
would you suggest? Additionally, I couldn't find anything
which explained why the LT version is soo much cheaper. Is
this only about bundled software, or does the 1010lt version
have less hardware features than the Delta 1010?
They both use the same underlying driver (which is excellent!) so
either will work well under Linux.
I have a Delta 1010, and absolutely love it. The LT does not have the
1010's breakout box which might make it a tad noisier, and it might be
more inconvenient for you to swap cables if you need to do it often.
I have the 1010's breakout box in the same rack as my mixer, patchbay and
various effects boxes, so it was very convenient for me to go that way.
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11:49 a.m.
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On Fri, Jan 14, 2005 at 07:02:08AM -0500, Joe Hartley wrote:
I have a Delta 1010, and absolutely love it. [...]
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Re: M-Audio Delta 1010
I also use and like the Delta 1010. For those considering it, be sure to
install the very nice "envy24control" program that gives a user a GUI to
manipulate the mixer and other features and controls of the ice1712
processing chip that the Delta 1010 uses. (envy24control is contained
within the alsa-tools package)
envy24control:
http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=Envy24Control
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16 Jan
16 Jan
12:09 p.m.
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Steve D writes:
On Fri, Jan 14, 2005 at 07:02:08AM -0500, Joe Hartley
wrote:
Does the 1010 mix and resample in hw? Or does it rely on the cpu for
such things?
I have a Delta 1010, and absolutely love it. [...]
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Re: M-Audio Delta 1010
I also use and like the Delta 1010. For those considering it, be sure to
install the very nice "envy24control" program that gives a user a GUI to
manipulate the mixer and other features and controls of the ice1712
processing chip that the Delta 1010 uses. (envy24control is contained
within the alsa-tools package)
I tend to understand this as a "yes" to my question, and that using
this
mixer is the means to control hw mixing/resampling. Is that correct?
If so, I wonder if Mario can take a look at this code and report on how
easy it might be to make it accessible.
envy24control:
http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=Envy24Control
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1:29 p.m.
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Hi Janina,
Janina Sajka <janina(a)rednote.net> writes:
Steve D writes:
At a quick glance, the major problem is that envy24control uses
GTK 1.2 and not 2.x. This makes enabling accessibility for it
kind of non-trivial I guess. At least I don't know how to port a GTK 1.2
app to 2.x. If anyone capable of doing so with some free time reads this, it
would be a worthwhile job to do.
Background: Only since GTK 2.x it is possible to use GTK applications
in combination with screen reading technologies for the blind. All
GTK 1.2 apps are per definition not accessible to people with
visual disabilities.
Re: M-Audio Delta 1010
I also use and like the Delta 1010. For those considering it, be sure to
install the very nice "envy24control" program that gives a user a GUI to
manipulate the mixer and other features and controls of the ice1712
processing chip that the Delta 1010 uses. (envy24control is contained
within the alsa-tools package)
I tend to understand this as a "yes" to my question, and that using
this
mixer is the means to control hw mixing/resampling. Is that correct?
If so, I wonder if Mario can take a look at this code and report on how
easy it might be to make it accessible. > envy24control:
> http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=Envy24Control
--
CYa,
Mario
2:19 p.m.
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Mario Lang <mlang(a)delysid.org> writes:
Hi Janina,
Janina Sajka <janina(a)rednote.net> writes:
Note to self, avoid "quick glances", especially if you're blind anyway :-).
The envy24control source directory contains an alternative configure.in
file for GTK2, simply doing:
$ mv configure.in-gtk2 configure.in
$ autoreconf
$ ./configure
$ make
Generates a GTK2 executable! Yay, now I only can't try how it
works since I don't have such a card yet, but it looks promising.
--
CYa,
Mario
Steve D writes:
At a quick glance, the major problem is that envy24control uses
GTK 1.2 and not 2.x. Re: M-Audio Delta 1010
I also use and like the Delta 1010. For those considering it, be sure to
install the very nice "envy24control" program that gives a user a GUI to
manipulate the mixer and other features and controls of the ice1712
processing chip that the Delta 1010 uses. (envy24control is contained
within the alsa-tools package)
I tend to understand this as a "yes" to my question, and that using
this
mixer is the means to control hw mixing/resampling. Is that correct?
If so, I wonder if Mario can take a look at this code and report on how
easy it might be to make it accessible. 
14 Jan
14 Jan
9:07 a.m.
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On Fri, 2005-01-14 at 05:10, Mario Lang wrote:
Hi.
I am in the process of working out the hardware of my
new personal workstation. This time, I'd like to get
a really good multichannel Pro-audio card with at least
96khz sampling rate, 24bit and around 8 analog channels.
I am looking at:
* TerraTec PHASE 88
* M-Audio Delta 1010(LT)
I can't quite decide between the TerraTec and M-Audio.
Regarding maturity of Linux ALSA drivers for these cards, what
would you suggest? Additionally, I couldn't find anything
which explained why the LT version is soo much cheaper. Is
this only about bundled software, or does the 1010lt version
have less hardware features than the Delta 1010?
The LT doesn't have an external DAC/ADC among other things. You can
also look at the ST Audio DSP 2000 C-Port but with the price drop in the
1010 I'd go with that (not the LT).
Jan
18 Jan
18 Jan
1:05 p.m.
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Hi Mario!
The 1010lt has the ADCs/DACs on the card directly and the outputs are only a
bundle of cables, the big 1010 has an external box for AD/DA conversion and
I/Os.
I've used the 1010lt for a while now and it works VERY good! Has done so
with alsa since 0.9.6 (even in text-based alsamixer there are all controls!)
Kindest regards
Julien
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