4 May
2010
4 May
'10
1:59 p.m.
This is the first release of Jacker, a Tracker for Jack MIDI. Jacker
is the first building block in a series of small apps to come, all
built around Jack as a hub for audio production.
Jacker is meant to replace a core feature of Aldrin, namely the
sequencer and pattern editor. Jacker does not generate any audio, but
firmly relies on the Jack infrastructure for sound output. For a
slightly more detailed workflow, please visit the website.
http://www.bitbucket.org/paniq/jacker
I have packaged a source release. There is no installation mechanism,
but the application can be built and run from the source folder.
Compatibility and installation patches are welcome.
5 May
5 May
10:34 a.m.
On 2010-05-04 13:59, Leonard Ritter wrote:
Looks really cool, will give it a try later!
It builds just fine here, seems to run fine as well.
I have packaged a source release. There is no
installation mechanism,
but the application can be built and run from the source folder.
Actually it *must* be run from the source folder. At least I tried
copying the binary to /usr/bin, but that made jacker crash with:
atte@vestbjerg:~$ jacker
terminate called after throwing an instance of 'Glib::FileError'
Aborted
--
Atte
http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk
11:28 a.m.
Excerpts from Atte André Jensen's message of 2010-05-05 10:34:02 +0200:
On 2010-05-04 13:59, Leonard Ritter wrote:
Looks really cool, will give it a try later!
It builds just fine here, seems to run fine as well.
I only tried from hg. It compiles but I got warnings:
In file included from player.hpp:5:0,
from player.cpp:2:
ring_buffer.hpp: In member function ‘void RingBuffer<T>::write(const T*, size_t)
[with T = Jacker::Message, size_t = long unsigned int]’:
ring_buffer.hpp:81:3: instantiated from ‘void RingBuffer<T>::push(const T&)
[with T = Jacker::Message]’
player.cpp:60:5: instantiated from here
ring_buffer.hpp:122:4: warning: format ‘%i’ expects type ‘int’, but argument 3 has type
‘size_t’
ring_buffer.hpp:122:4: warning: format ‘%i’ expects type ‘int’, but argument 4 has type
‘size_t’
model.cpp: In member function ‘void Jacker::Model::reset()’:
model.cpp:439:37: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned integer expressions
model.cpp: In member function ‘Jacker::Pattern& Jacker::Model::new_pattern(const
Jacker::Pattern*)’:
model.cpp:450:54: warning: format ‘%i’ expects type ‘int’, but argument 3 has type
‘std::list<Jacker::Pattern*, std::allocator<Jacker::Pattern*> >::size_type’
model.cpp: In member function ‘void Jacker::Model::delete_unused_patterns()’:
model.cpp:495:63: warning: format ‘%i’ expects type ‘int’, but argument 2 has type
‘std::list<std::_List_iterator<Jacker::Pattern*>,
std::allocator<std::_List_iterator<Jacker::Pattern*> > >::size_type’
Just for completions sake..
Regards,
Philipp
I have packaged a source release. There is no
installation mechanism,
but the application can be built and run from the source folder.
Actually it *must* be run from the source folder. At least I tried
copying the binary to /usr/bin, but that made jacker crash with:
atte@vestbjerg:~$ jacker
terminate called after throwing an instance of 'Glib::FileError'
Aborted
9:40 p.m.
On 2010-05-05 10:34, Atte André Jensen wrote:
Looks really cool, will give it a try later!
Ok, I tried it a bit. Very minimal, but nice. Two questions:
1) I have a hard time finding noise making apps that runs under
jack-midi. Could you (or anyone else) please list the must-haves with
jack-midi. I especially need a "sampler" ala specimen, but also synths
ala ams or zynaddsubfx.
2) I use and have used trackers alot. I appreciate the precise control
they give over sample playback. But I'm not sure exactly what the
benefits are when just keeping the interface, and having external
software handle the audio, thus letting go of the tracker-style-control.
Could you elaborate? Why should I use jacker over say dino?
--
Atte
http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk
7 May
7 May
11:06 a.m.
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 9:40 PM, Atte André Jensen <atte.jensen(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 2010-05-05 10:34, Atte André Jensen wrote:
Right now, the landscape is dry. The only tool I'm using is QSynth in
JACK MIDI mode + A truckload of soundfonts. Everything else is
controlled via regular MIDI.
Of course that's insufficient. Jacker is supposed to be a nod to other
developers to upgrade their apps to Jack MIDI.
If you find any more cool Jack MIDI apps, please let me/us known. :)
Looks really cool, will give it a try later!
Ok, I tried it a bit. Very minimal, but nice. Two questions:
1) I have a hard time finding noise making apps that runs under jack-midi.
Could you (or anyone else) please list the must-haves with jack-midi. I
especially need a "sampler" ala specimen, but also synths ala ams or
zynaddsubfx.
2) I use and have used trackers alot. I appreciate the precise control they
give over sample playback. But I'm not sure exactly what the benefits are
when just keeping the interface, and having external software handle the
audio, thus letting go of the tracker-style-control. Could you elaborate?
Why should I use jacker over say dino?
Good question.
I have experience with apps such as Impulse Tracker, Jeskola Buzz and
Aldrin. Those apps are pretty integrated and monolithic. If you wanted
to extend Buzz or Aldrin, you would have to do that within the
application, in the confinements of a plugin.
With Jacker, I wanted to rip this monolithic structure apart and
contribute to the modular Jack ecosystem, but keep the Tracker-style
interface because it attracts me more than a piano roll-based
interface.
So, actually you shouldn't use Jacker over Dino or the other way
around. The best way would be to use it in conjunction with e.g.
Ardour, where tightly patterned and rhythmic control structures would
be needed to record parts of a song. And if you just wanted to record
some MIDI off your keyboard and edit that piano roll style, you would
use Dino.
The way I see it, your final result would always end up in a DAW
somehow, no matter where it came from.
Regarding the "letting go of the tracker-style-control" bit: I don't
see how that is true. Jacker also lets you send raw MIDI commands and
CC changes, so you could also control MIDI based effects
tracker-style, if you wished to do so.
12:31 p.m.
Leonard Ritter <paniq(a)paniq.org> writes:
Regarding the "letting go of the
tracker-style-control" bit: I don't
see how that is true. Jacker also lets you send raw MIDI commands and
CC changes, so you could also control MIDI based effects
tracker-style, if you wished to do so.
I've played a little with jacker and it's a very promising project,
but how do I insert a program/bank change? Or a control change?
Cheers
--
Emiliano Grilli
Linux user #209089
http://www.emillo.net
3:58 p.m.
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 12:31 PM, Emiliano Grilli
<emiliano.grilli(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I've played a little with jacker and it's a
very promising project,
but how do I insert a program/bank change? Or a control change?
To do a control change, use the last two columns in each pattern
column, where the status bar says "CC Index/Value". First is the name
of the controller, second is the new controller value.
I forgot to add Program/Bank changes and raw MIDI commands. I wrote
two enhancement tickets for that:
http://www.bitbucket.org/paniq/jacker/issue/2/command-to-send-raw-midi-comm…
http://www.bitbucket.org/paniq/jacker/issue/3/command-to-send-bank-program-…
4:08 p.m.
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 2:58 PM, Leonard Ritter <paniq(a)paniq.org> wrote:
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 12:31 PM, Emiliano Grilli
<emiliano.grilli(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Sorry I haven't added a ticket for the build problem I reported. Will
try to do that this evening.
Out of interest, how do you see Jacker fitting with Tutka (another
midi tracker)? Does it have improvements over the older program, or is
it "just different"?
James
I've played a little with jacker and it's
a very promising project,
but how do I insert a program/bank change? Or a control change?
To do a control change, use the last two columns in each pattern
column, where the status bar says "CC Index/Value". First is the name
of the controller, second is the new controller value.
I forgot to add Program/Bank changes and raw MIDI commands. I wrote
two enhancement tickets for that:
4:48 p.m.
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 4:08 PM, James Stone <jamesmstone(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Sorry I haven't added a ticket for the build
problem I reported. Will
try to do that this evening.
Don't forget to give your OS/Machine specs!
Out of interest, how do you see Jacker fitting with
Tutka (another
midi tracker)? Does it have improvements over the older program, or is
it "just different"?
Oh, never heard about that one. I just had a look at it and from the
quick glimpse I can point out following differences in Jacker:
* has a Cubase-style sequencer, with tracks assignable to individual
ports and MIDI channels, patterns concurrently playable, and full
keyboard/mouse support (see cheatsheet.txt).
* patterns have dedicated columns for note volume and commands. Allows
to do a bit more than just send MIDI.
* each pattern can have a different count of channels.
* supports different signatures than just 4/4, so measures like 6/8,
5/4, 3/4 are all possible.
* has Jack MIDI support only, but supports 16 JACK ports, and 16 MIDI
channels per port = 256 MIDI channels in total.
* loads/saves files in JSON, not XML, which makes generating and
parsing documents in Python ridiculously easy.
* has a compact UI.
* has been released as Beta right now, where the last Tutka release is
from 2006.
9:16 p.m.
On 05/07/2010 11:06 AM, Leonard Ritter wrote:
With Jacker, I wanted to rip this monolithic structure
apart and
contribute to the modular Jack ecosystem, but keep the Tracker-style
interface because it attracts me more than a piano roll-based
interface.
As a long time Buzz / Buze / Aldrin user I really appreciate your work,
even then default keybindings work like expected, very nice :) Jacker
with ZynAddSubFx and PD sounds like a perfect setup.
The way I see it, your final result would always end
up in a DAW
Speaking of, I couldn't manage to sync Jacker with Ardour via the Jack
transport interface. Hm, feature request or user error?
MfG
Krabat
10:25 p.m.
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 9:16 PM, Krabat vonUebel <krabat(a)vonuebel.com> wrote:
On 05/07/2010 11:06 AM, Leonard Ritter wrote:
Speaking of, I couldn't manage to sync Jacker with Ardour via the Jack
transport interface. Hm, feature request or user error?
feature request! show that you care by filing a ticket! :)
2:45 p.m.
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 2:40 PM, Atte André Jensen <atte.jensen(a)gmail.com> wrote:
1) I have a hard time finding noise making apps that
runs under jack-midi.
Could you (or anyone else) please list the must-haves with jack-midi. I
especially need a "sampler" ala specimen, but also synths ala ams or
zynaddsubfx.
ghostess + dssi plugins has always worked for me. also, specimen
supports jack midi.
--
Josh Lawrence
http://www.hardbop200.com
5 May
5 May
11:15 a.m.
On Tue, 04 May 2010 13:59:00 +0200, Leonard Ritter wrote:
This is the first release of Jacker, a Tracker for
Jack MIDI. Jacker is
the first building block in a series of small apps to come, all built
around Jack as a hub for audio production.
Jacker is meant to replace a core feature of Aldrin, namely the
sequencer and pattern editor. Jacker does not generate any audio, but
firmly relies on the Jack infrastructure for sound output. For a
slightly more detailed workflow, please visit the website.
http://www.bitbucket.org/paniq/jacker
I have packaged a source release. There is no installation mechanism,
but the application can be built and run from the source folder.
Compatibility and installation patches are welcome.
Looks nice, but doesn't build here. First, in file songview.cpp there's a
missing include for 'string.h' (needed for memset later on), second the
build fails with:
songview.cpp: In member function ‘void Jacker::SongView::invalidate()’:
songview.cpp:1064: error: ‘class Gdk::Window’ has no member named
‘invalidate’
scons: *** [songview.o] Error 1
Cheers, Ralf Mattes
7 May
7 May
10:18 p.m.
On Tuesday 04 May 2010 13.59.00 Leonard Ritter wrote:
...
I have packaged a source release. There is no
installation mechanism,
but the application can be built and run from the source folder.
Compatibility and installation patches are welcome.
It builds without problems on my system, but it's not functional at the
moment:
-No Jack input port shows up, only a bunch of outputs
-The Pattern mode only shows a big gray area without contents
-Can only run from the folder where it's build. Not even a ./jacker
from "/usr/bin" when pwd is "/usr/bin" works.
The system is Ubuntu 10.04 64 bit.
One more word and that's about your music (or you): Damn, you are good, really
excellent!
Jostein
10:28 p.m.
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 10:16 PM, Jostein Chr. Andersen <jostein(a)vait.se> wrote:
-No Jack input port shows up, only a bunch of outputs
That's exactly as it should be. Jacker can't record MIDI yet. It's not
a top priority with trackers, as they work fine with PC keyboards
only.
-The Pattern mode only shows a big gray area without
contents
You must add patterns first. Go to the sequencer editor, doubleclick
somewhere. See cheatsheet.txt for keyboard and mouse commands.
-Can only run from the folder where it's build.
Not even a ./jacker
from "/usr/bin" when pwd is "/usr/bin" works.
I'm hoping for maintainer patches. I don't want to implement it myself
as I'm certainly going to do it wrong.
The system is Ubuntu 10.04 64 bit.
Nice to know that works.
One more word and that's about your music (or
you): Damn, you are good, really
excellent!
Thanks. Please dont' tell anyone ;)
11:04 p.m.
On Friday 07 May 2010 22.28.19 Leonard Ritter wrote:
Then I have something new to learn. For me, I can imagine that this will be an
axcellent tool for joting down ideas. Thanks! :-)
Jostein
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 10:16 PM, Jostein Chr. Andersen
<jostein(a)vait.se>
wrote:
-No Jack
input port shows up, only a bunch of outputs
That's exactly as it should be. Jacker can't record MIDI yet. It's not
a top priority with trackers, as they work fine with PC keyboards
only.
-The Pattern mode only shows a big gray area
without contents
You must add patterns first. Go to the sequencer editor, doubleclick
somewhere. See cheatsheet.txt for keyboard and mouse commands.
11:11 p.m.
Excerpts from Jostein Chr. Andersen's message of 2010-05-07 22:16:40 +0200:
On Tuesday 04 May 2010 13.59.00 Leonard Ritter wrote:
...
I take the liberty of trying to help you with that, as far as I can :)
I have packaged a source release. There is no
installation mechanism,
but the application can be built and run from the source folder.
Compatibility and installation patches are welcome.
It builds without problems on my system, but it's not functional at the
moment: -No Jack input port shows up, only a bunch of
outputs
Yep, seems like you can't record into it. Yet. Until someone requests
the feature and someone implements it :)
-The Pattern mode only shows a big gray area without
contents
Yep, it does that initially. There's no pattern to show at first.
Try this:
In sequencer view double-click on a track, and you get a small rectangle
that represents a pattern. Double-click on that rectangle and you get to
see the pattern in detail (pattern view). Voila!
-Can only run from the folder where it's build.
Not even a ./jacker
from "/usr/bin" when pwd is "/usr/bin" works.
This is how I did it:
scons
install -D jacker /usr/share/jacker/jacker
install -D jacker.png /usr/share/jacker/jacker.png
install -D jacker.glade /usr/share/jacker/jacker.glade
install -D jacker.sh /usr/bin/jacker
jacker.sh is simply this:
#!/bin/bash
cd /usr/share/jacker
./jacker
The system is Ubuntu 10.04 64 bit.
For Arch Linux users, this PKGBUILD does the trick:
http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=34853
One more word and that's about your music (or
you): Damn, you are good, really
excellent!
Jostein
I think so too :)
/me is jealous
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Regards,
Philipp
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