28 May
2008
28 May
'08
8:03 p.m.
I may need to buy a cellphone soon.
But I'm a militant Free Software zealot so I refuse to spend any money on anything
that isn't open and free, which is one reason why I've resisted cellphones for
such a long time.
But it seems like there are a few options now for Linux-based phones, so I'm looking
around.
Alas, OpenMoko looks the most promising, but they're out of stock, and, AFAICT the
"phones" still can't make or receive calls yet. Oh well.
The Google initiative seems stalled to me; and also I'm not so sure about the
licensing.
This PurpleMagic looks interesting though:
http://www.purplelabs.com/product-purple-magic.php?PHPSESSID=9ead9cbe0bf6cd…
But I haven't found a lot of technical info on it yet.
Anyone messed around with these? Any pitfalls to look out for?
The OpenMoko has USB so I was looking forward to maybe using it as a softsynth and playing
shows with it. The Purple Magic doesn't have any such thing though.
-ken
28 May
28 May
9:10 p.m.
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 7:03 PM, Ken Restivo <ken(a)restivo.org> wrote:
I may need to buy a cellphone soon.
<snip>
Alas, OpenMoko looks the most promising, but
they're out of stock, and, AFAICT the "phones" still can't make or
receive calls yet. Oh well.
The new version - Freerunner - has begun mass production and should
be released sometime in June or so. Here's a developer preview write
up about it:
http://monochromementality.com/index.php/blog/show/Day-One-Openmoko-Freerun…
Hardware specs here:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware
Have fun,
Robert
9:57 p.m.
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 08:10:38PM -0300, robert lazarski wrote:
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 7:03 PM, Ken Restivo
<ken(a)restivo.org> wrote:
Wow! That's it; I'm getting one!
What's the development status? Can you make/receive calls on it yet?
If not, and until then, it'd make one way cool PDA.
-ken
I may need to buy a cellphone soon.
<snip>
Alas, OpenMoko looks the most promising, but
they're out of stock, and, AFAICT the "phones" still can't make or
receive calls yet. Oh well.
The new version - Freerunner - has begun mass production and should
be released sometime in June or so. Here's a developer preview write
up about it:
http://monochromementality.com/index.php/blog/show/Day-One-Openmoko-Freerun…
Hardware specs here:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware
10:50 p.m.
On Wed May 28, 2008 at 04:57:07PM -0700, Ken Restivo wrote:
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 08:10:38PM -0300, robert
lazarski wrote:
im not - very thick, and its FIC's first entry into a crowded field. i'll wait for
the meizu m8, and various HTC stuff, and see which stuff works with qtopia or the openmoko
stack
Android is google's JVM on top of linux, so chances are you can run qtopia/gtk stuff
trivially on an Android phone, unless its locked down by a carrier.. which im sure google
doesnt want
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 7:03 PM, Ken Restivo
<ken(a)restivo.org> wrote:
Wow! That's it; I'm getting one! I may need to buy a cellphone soon.
<snip>
Alas, OpenMoko looks the most promising, but
they're out of stock, and, AFAICT the "phones" still can't make or
receive calls yet. Oh well.
The new version - Freerunner - has begun mass production and should
be released sometime in June or so. Here's a developer preview write
up about it:
http://monochromementality.com/index.php/blog/show/Day-One-Openmoko-Freerun…
Hardware specs here:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware
What's the development status? Can you make/receive calls on it yet?
If not, and until then, it'd make one way cool PDA.
-ken
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29 May
29 May
8:26 a.m.
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 5:42 PM, cdr <_(a)whats-your.name> wrote:
On Wed May 28, 2008 at 04:57:07PM -0700, Ken Restivo
wrote:
Minor corrections: The Freerunner is their second entry, after the NEO
1973. And QTopia runs on both the Freerunner and the NEO 1973. Its an
(mostly, save for GSM and Glamo) open, run whatever you want or can
code. That being said, competition is a good thing.
Robert
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 08:10:38PM -0300, robert
lazarski wrote:
im not - very thick, and its FIC's first entry into a crowded field. i'll wait
for the meizu m8, and various HTC stuff, and see which stuff works with qtopia or the
openmoko stack
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 7:03 PM, Ken Restivo
<ken(a)restivo.org> wrote:
Wow! That's it; I'm getting one! I may need to buy a cellphone soon.
<snip>
Alas, OpenMoko looks the most promising, but
they're out of stock, and, AFAICT the "phones" still can't make or
receive calls yet. Oh well.
The new version - Freerunner - has begun mass production and should
be released sometime in June or so. Here's a developer preview write
up about it:
http://monochromementality.com/index.php/blog/show/Day-One-Openmoko-Freerun…
Hardware specs here:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware
30 May
30 May
2:12 a.m.
Out of curiosity, can the in what usability state is the FreeRunner in?
Funnily enough I am considering switching carriers and getting a new phone,
and I might be willing to forego a few features in favor of an open phone,
if it is ready for consumer use at this time. I don't think I could handle
the risk of alpha software in a phone at the moment due to how connected I
need to stay. On the plus side though, it might well be worth it if I could
say, hook up a SoundDevices USBPre and record to the MicroSD slot through it
for a field recorder;)
Also does it support any 3G capabilities? That is one requirement I might
not be able to give up due to work.
Seablade
2:46 a.m.
Looking at it, reading the docs, I can honestly - and humbly - say that this
is NOT ready. If you'd like to develop, then it's for you. If you'd like a
phone to use as a phone, then it's not. An iPhone is of more worth, iirc you
can load up some custom Linux distro on it too like on an iPod. I don't see
any benefit for the end-user aside from the "open" hardware. We don't get a
refund if we open and destroy it along the way, unlike software where code
can be rolled back.
2:59 a.m.
There is a benefit to folks like me sometimes. You wouldn't believe how
many times i have had to piece together hardware from other hardware for
specific tasks;)
Seablade
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 10:46 PM, Ray Rashif <schivmeister(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Looking at it, reading the docs, I can honestly - and
humbly - say that
this is NOT ready. If you'd like to develop, then it's for you. If you'd
like a phone to use as a phone, then it's not. An iPhone is of more worth,
iirc you can load up some custom Linux distro on it too like on an iPod. I
don't see any benefit for the end-user aside from the "open" hardware. We
don't get a refund if we open and destroy it along the way, unlike software
where code can be rolled back.
3:57 a.m.
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 1:46 AM, Ray Rashif <schivmeister(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Looking at it, reading the docs, I can honestly - and
humbly - say that this
is NOT ready. If you'd like to develop, then it's for you. If you'd like a
phone to use as a phone, then it's not. An iPhone is of more worth, iirc you
can load up some custom Linux distro on it too like on an iPod. I don't see
any benefit for the end-user aside from the "open" hardware. We don't get
a
refund if we open and destroy it along the way, unlike software where code
can be rolled back.
You can use the sold out GTA01 as phone, what makes you think you
can't use a newer revision as a phone? I expect the Freerunner to be
competitive, with new talent into openmoko pushing future hardware
over the top.
Openmoko has growing list of who's who on their team - got to meet
some of them at a recent embedded conference talking about the
upcomming Freerunner. Doesn't guarantee anything, but increases the
chances of success. Rasterman is doing the default UI of the
Freerunner and IMHO it looks great. QTopia is available too. Keep in
mind that unlike some other Framebuffer phones, this one runs X11 so
you already get a ton of mature apps. For me, its not just this
version - but also future versions just as I look forward to new
updates on my linux audio tools. They're both here to stay.
Now the same argument about linux being "NOT ready" is made often all
over the map - audio in fact being one of them. And in fact I have a
very expensive Korg Oasys that while it runs a 2.4 linux kernel, its
UI is not open. But if there was an open keyboard for sale, I'd buy
one. I use a liitle sequencer called seq24. Best out there? Dunno, but
its a simple but powerful tool that runs on linux and I know it is
going to be around for a while.
Now that there's an open phone, I'm buying that. In the end, I won't
buy a IPhone any more than I'll run pro tools. Not that anyone should
care. I certainly won't care if anyone buys an IPhone ;-) .
Oh yeah - no 3G this time around. I personally expect to see it the
next hardware revision.
Cheers,
Robert
5:09 a.m.
On Fri May 30, 2008 at 02:57:28AM -0300, robert lazarski wrote:
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 1:46 AM, Ray Rashif
<schivmeister(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Ray obviously didnt read this:
http://zecke.blogspot.com/
youve got 3 options. the GTK/openmoko stack (what Ray was likely talking about), Android
and Qtopia
and thats not including Asterisk/Ekiga/etc over Wifi
if you want to make cals right now, qtopia is praobly your best bet, in the 3 month to 1
year time frame, Android probably is. after that, maybe something completely
nonproprietary will pop up (Eg the GTK stuff will be finished)
Looking at it, reading the docs, I can honestly -
and humbly - say that this
is NOT ready. If you'd like to develop, then it's for you. If you'd like a
phone to use as a phone, then it's not. An iPhone is of more worth, iirc you
can load up some custom Linux distro on it too like on an iPod. I don't see
any benefit for the end-user aside from the "open" hardware. We don't get
a
refund if we open and destroy it along the way, unlike software where code
can be rolled back.
You can use the sold out GTA01 as phone, what makes you think you
can't use a newer revision as a phone?
6:01 a.m.
My statement was misunderstood. I merely advised on the development
situation and usability status, all documented at their site. I was actually
rooting for this FIC offering ever since the first digital proto image
showed up and I was scouring for a Linux-based cell. Just like how I'm
waiting for KDE 4 to stabilise, I'm still waiting for this to come into the
market for mass sales.
I don't know if the current status is any better than what I read about a
few days ago, but it wasn't convincing for me to spend roughly 350USD -
450USD on when a mail arrived for a mass order. In the end, I've gotten
myself a HTC as the "Linux" phones like the Motorola E6 was a disappointment
for the short while I got my hands on them. I may not be purchasing this
now, but when it does become an option, I will (:
25 Jun
25 Jun
3:32 a.m.
Given the recent news from the Symbian camp, we might be seeing this
in the near future.
On 28-May-08, at 3:03 PM, Ken Restivo wrote:
I may need to buy a cellphone soon.
But I'm a militant Free Software zealot so I refuse to spend any
money on anything that isn't open and free, which is one reason why
I've resisted cellphones for such a long time.
But it seems like there are a few options now for Linux-based
phones, so I'm looking around.
Alas, OpenMoko looks the most promising, but they're out of stock,
and, AFAICT the "phones" still can't make or receive calls yet. Oh
well.
The Google initiative seems stalled to me; and also I'm not so sure
about the licensing.
This PurpleMagic looks interesting though:
http://www.purplelabs.com/product-purple-magic.php?PHPSESSID=9ead9cbe0bf6cd…
But I haven't found a lot of technical info on it yet.
Anyone messed around with these? Any pitfalls to look out for?
The OpenMoko has USB so I was looking forward to maybe using it as a
softsynth and playing shows with it. The Purple Magic doesn't have
any such thing though.
-ken
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3:22 p.m.
the news section of the symbian website (www.symbian.com).
In a nut shell, subject to regulatory approval, Symbian is to become
entirely owned by Nokia but then Symbian OS is to become open source.
On 25-Jun-08, at 10:14 AM, Emanuel Rumpf wrote:
Given the
recent news from the Symbian camp, we might be seeing
this in the
near future.
what ? an actual realisation of the "PurpleMagic" draft ?
any links ?
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4:48 p.m.
Den Wednesday 25 June 2008 19.18.50 skrev Veronica Merryfield:
the news section of the symbian website
(www.symbian.com).
In a nut shell, subject to regulatory approval, Symbian is to become
entirely owned by Nokia but then Symbian OS is to become open source.
Whithin 2 years. 2010.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbian_OS#Openness
/bengan
4:56 p.m.
I wouldn't be surprised to see an open OS phone appear at the same
time as the OS is made open source, possibly a couple. It's about the
right time frame for getting a phone out.
On 25-Jun-08, at 11:48 AM, Bengt Gördén wrote:
Den Wednesday 25 June 2008 19.18.50 skrev Veronica
Merryfield:
the news section of the symbian website
(www.symbian.com).
In a nut shell, subject to regulatory approval, Symbian is to become
entirely owned by Nokia but then Symbian OS is to become open source.
Whithin 2 years. 2010.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbian_OS#Openness
/bengan 
27 Jun
27 Jun
3:42 p.m.
Am 2008-06-24 22:32:51, schrieb Veronica Merryfield:
Given the recent news from the Symbian camp, we might
be seeing this
in the near future.
What? -- Symbian is NOT open source... and cost real money!
But my "Nokia 6120 classic" can run with GNU/Linux and since I have now
gotten a second for 30 € on eBay, I will try to install my beloved
GNU/Linux on it... Hey, it will be the first Cell-Phone with a
BLACKSCREEN... A real Linux console...
And now imagine you want to phone someone, you have to login, and then
type at the prompt:
[michelle:~] telephone 00491779351947
Calling...
Hanging up.
Statistic:
Time: 2:37 min
Costs: 1.02 €
Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening
Michelle Konzack
Systemadministrator
24V Electronic Engineer
Tamay Dogan Network
Debian GNU/Linux Consultant
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3:45 p.m.
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 20:44, Michelle Konzack <
linux4michelle(a)tamay-dogan.net> wrote:
Am 2008-06-24 22:32:51, schrieb Veronica Merryfield:
http://news.zdnet.com/2424-1035_22-207981.html
--
Anders Dahnielson
<anders(a)dahnielson.com>
Given the recent news from the Symbian camp, we
might be seeing this
in the near future.
What? -- Symbian is NOT open source... and cost real money! 
25 Jun
25 Jun
4:52 p.m.
-ken
ken, you can try Motorola "MotoMing" A1200E, it runs gnu/linux, it's
stable and working. it uses qtopia
try to discover it on http://www.motorolafans.com, there's also a
developer section
hope this helps,
Marco
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27 Jun
27 Jun
6:08 a.m.
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 08:52:04PM +0200, Marco Milanesi wrote:
Thanks!
I've found A1200's for sale around here on Craiglist-- cheap-- but they are not
A1200E's. Thus, I can't tell if they are the Linux versions or something else.
Does the "E" stand for Europe? They don't seem available here.
I've also not had good luck with Motorola products in the past either. And that stylus
is just begging to get lost (as I used to do with Palm Pilot stylii back in the day).
-ken
-ken
ken, you can try Motorola "MotoMing" A1200E, it runs gnu/linux, it's
stable and working. it uses qtopia
try to discover it on http://www.motorolafans.com, there's also a
developer section
6:43 a.m.
ken, you can
try Motorola "MotoMing" A1200E, it runs gnu/linux, it's
stable and working. it uses qtopia
try to discover it on http://www.motorolafans.com, there's also a
developer section
Thanks!
I've found A1200's for sale around here on Craiglist-- cheap-- but they are not
A1200E's. Thus, I can't tell if they are the Linux versions or something else.
Does the "E" stand for Europe? They don't seem available here.
I've also not had good luck with Motorola products in the past either. And that
stylus is just begging to get lost (as I used to do with Palm Pilot stylii back
in the day). 
28 Jun
28 Jun
3:07 a.m.
Ken Restivo wrote:
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 08:52:04PM +0200, Marco
Milanesi wrote:
Thanks!
I've found A1200's for sale around here on Craiglist-- cheap-- but
they are not A1200E's. Thus, I can't tell if they are the Linux
versions or something else. Does the "E" stand for Europe? They don't
seem available here.
I've also not had good luck with Motorola products in the past
either. And that stylus is just begging to get lost (as I used to do
with Palm Pilot stylii back in the day).
And I'm still using the original stylus that came with my Sony Clie
PEG-S360 ... I've had that PDA for something over 10 years now ... ;-)
--
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authenticity, honesty, community
-ken
ken, you can try Motorola "MotoMing" A1200E, it runs gnu/linux,
it's stable and working. it uses qtopia
try to discover it on http://www.motorolafans.com, there's also a
developer section
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