13 Apr
2013
13 Apr
'13
3:52 p.m.
Hey,
I made a little hang drum sample set from some freely available
recordings and the original artist has put them up on his site:
http://subaqueousmusic.com/images/Hang/hang-sfz.zip
Ciao,
Kaspar
13 Apr
13 Apr
9:21 p.m.
On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Kaspar Bumke <kaspar.bumke(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
Hey,
I made a little hang drum sample set from some freely available
recordings and the original artist has put them up on his site:
http://subaqueousmusic.com/images/Hang/hang-sfz.zip
woohoooo! one my favorite instruments. does this mean i need to learn to
use one of the sfz capable plugins now? :)
it will be interesting to compare to Pianoteq's various "hang-ish" drum
sounds (physical modelling)
--p
10:36 p.m.
On 04/13/2013 09:21 PM, Paul Davis wrote:
On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Kaspar Bumke <kaspar.bumke(a)gmail.com
<mailto:kaspar.bumke@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hey,
I made a little hang drum sample set from some freely available
recordings and the original artist has put them up on his site:
http://subaqueousmusic.com/images/Hang/hang-sfz.zip
woohoooo! one my favorite instruments. does this mean i need to learn
to use one of the sfz capable plugins now? :)
it will be interesting to compare to Pianoteq's various "hang-ish"
drum sounds (physical modelling)
Stupid question: What can I use to use sfz?
Flo
--
Florian Paul Schmidt
http://fps.io
11:02 p.m.
On Sat, 13 Apr 2013 22:36:15 +0200
Florian Paul Schmidt <mista.tapas(a)gmx.net> wrote:
On 04/13/2013 09:21 PM, Paul Davis wrote:
Even more stupid question.
Is there a way to convert sfz to sf2?
--
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.
On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Kaspar Bumke <kaspar.bumke(a)gmail.com
<mailto:kaspar.bumke@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hey,
I made a little hang drum sample set from some freely available
recordings and the original artist has put them up on his site:
http://subaqueousmusic.com/images/Hang/hang-sfz.zip
woohoooo! one my favorite instruments. does this mean i need to learn
to use one of the sfz capable plugins now? :)
it will be interesting to compare to Pianoteq's various "hang-ish"
drum sounds (physical modelling)
Stupid question: What can I use to use sfz?
Flo
11:19 p.m.
On Sat, 13 Apr 2013 22:36:15 +0200, Florian Paul Schmidt wrote
On 04/13/2013 09:21 PM, Paul Davis wrote:
On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Kaspar Bumke <kaspar.bumke(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hey,
I made a little hang drum sample set from some freely available
recordings and the original artist has put them up on his site:
http://subaqueousmusic.com/images/Hang/hang-sfz.zip
Thanks, what a lovely sample set! Reminds me of more than a decade
of Gamelan playing long ago ...
woohoooo! one my favorite instruments. does this mean
i need to learn to use
one of the sfz capable plugins now? :)
it will be interesting to compare to Pianoteq's various "hang-ish" drum
sounds (physical modelling)
Stupid question: What can I use to use sfz?
I use LinuxSampler and the Fantasia GUI.
HTH RalfD
--
R. Mattes -
Hochschule fuer Musik Freiburg
rm(a)inm.mh-freiburg.de
11:54 p.m.
On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 11:19:01PM +0200, R. Mattes wrote:
Thanks, what a lovely sample set! Reminds me of more
than a decade
of Gamelan playing long ago ...
OTOH, such bell-like sounds are fairly easy to create using Pd,
Csound, SuperCollider etc., and this will also allow much more
expression than using a fixed sample set.
Ciao,
--
FA
Horas avolantes numero, mortuos plango, vivos ad preces voco.
woohoooo! one my favorite instruments. does this
mean i need to learn to use
one of the sfz capable plugins now? :)
it will be interesting to compare to Pianoteq's various "hang-ish" drum
sounds (physical modelling)
14 Apr
14 Apr
12:12 a.m.
On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 5:54 PM, Fons Adriaensen <fons(a)linuxaudio.org>wrote;wrote:
On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 11:19:01PM +0200, R. Mattes
wrote:
actually, no :)
I spent quite a while talking to several people a couple of years ago
(including Julius Smith) about the best way to model a pan drum. To do it
correctly is quite challenging. The Pianoteq guys gave me a few hints on
what they had done. I was trying to create an instrument that I planned to
called a "dang drum" (for "digital hang"), but to model the way the
modes
of these things interact is quite tricky, and the usual "mode" operators in
Pd, CSound, SC etc, don't really capture the subtleties required.
I was very, very disappointed to find that I had lost the CSound code I had
worked on. The only thing I have left from efforts is a single wav file.
Take a listen if you want. My memory was this involved at least 15
different mode operators in conjunction with some kind of reverb. It sounds
fairly cool, but is really nothing remotely like the real sound of a hang
(or even a regular steel drum).
http://community.ardour.org/files/dang1.ogg
If anyone is interested, I have a stack of papers on the physics of the
hang drum, including several with clever visual analysis of the instrument
to show the vibration modes, discussions of the characteristics of the
metal used, and so on.
--p
Thanks, what a lovely sample set! Reminds me of
more than a decade
of Gamelan playing long ago ...
> woohoooo! one my favorite instruments. does this mean i need to learn
to use
one of the sfz capable plugins now? :)
OTOH, such bell-like sounds are fairly easy to create using Pd,
Csound, SuperCollider etc., and this will also allow much more
expression than using a fixed sample set.
it will be interesting to compare to Pianoteq's various "hang-ish" drum
sounds (physical modelling)
12:44 a.m.
On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 06:12:42PM -0400, Paul Davis wrote:
On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 5:54 PM, Fons Adriaensen <fons(a)linuxaudio.org>wrote;wrote:
Modelling it is one way, and that could indeed become quite complicated.
Another way is to analyse the real thing, find out the parameter space,
and recreate the sound using additive synthesis, no matter what could be
the model behind it. Sort of cheating, but it works.
OTOH, such bell-like sounds are fairly easy to
create using Pd,
Csound, SuperCollider etc., and this will also allow much more
expression than using a fixed sample set.
actually, no :)
I spent quite a while talking to several people a couple of years ago
(including Julius Smith) about the best way to model a pan drum. To do it
correctly is quite challenging. The Pianoteq guys gave me a few hints on
what they had done. I was trying to create an instrument that I planned to
called a "dang drum" (for "digital hang"), but to model the way the
modes
of these things interact is quite tricky, and the usual "mode" operators in
Pd, CSound, SC etc, don't really capture the subtleties required. I was very, very disappointed to find that I had lost
the CSound code I had
worked on. The only thing I have left from efforts is a single wav file.
Take a listen if you want. My memory was this involved at least 15
different mode operators in conjunction with some kind of reverb. It sounds
fairly cool, but is really nothing remotely like the real sound of a hang
(or even a regular steel drum).
http://community.ardour.org/files/dang1.ogg
Nice work anyway.
If anyone is interested, I have a stack of papers on
the physics of the
hang drum, including several with clever visual analysis of the instrument
to show the vibration modes, discussions of the characteristics of the
metal used, and so on.
I'd certainly be interested. Steel drums I imagine are an order of magnitude
more complex than bells... but they make lovely boings...
Created using 1980s technology: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxEGPIEraFA>
Ciao,
--
FA
Horas avolantes numero, mortuos plango, vivos ad preces voco.
11:05 a.m.
[Fons Adriaensen]
On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 06:12:42PM -0400, Paul Davis
wrote:
The problem with the additive approach is that it doesn't easily model
nonlinearities and the repeated excitation of an already oscillating
instrument properly. It's also hard to correctly emulate the
behaviour of continuously varying excitation points. I suppose you
could go a long way with precomputed data but the multiple dimensions
of the parameter space, with time being one, might make this a bit
cumbersome.
I'm not qualified to judge the realism but to me this snippet sounds
very good in an absolute way.
Tim
.. the usual "mode" operators in Pd,
CSound, SC etc, don't really
capture the subtleties required.
Modelling it is one way, and that could indeed become quite
complicated. Another way is to analyse the real thing, find out the
parameter space, and recreate the sound using additive synthesis, no
matter what could be the model behind it. Sort of cheating, but it
works. 
13 Apr
13 Apr
11:59 p.m.
On 04/13/2013 10:36 PM, Florian Paul Schmidt wrote:
On 04/13/2013 09:21 PM, Paul Davis wrote:
Calfbox http://repo.or.cz/w/calfbox.git (& lisaloqt)
Linuxsampler
On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Kaspar Bumke <kaspar.bumke(a)gmail.com
<mailto:kaspar.bumke@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hey,
I made a little hang drum sample set from some freely available
recordings and the original artist has put them up on his site:
http://subaqueousmusic.com/images/Hang/hang-sfz.zip
woohoooo! one my favorite instruments. does this mean i need to learn
to use one of the sfz capable plugins now? :)
it will be interesting to compare to Pianoteq's various "hang-ish"
drum sounds (physical modelling)
Stupid question: What can I use to use sfz?
15 Apr
15 Apr
10:03 a.m.
Well, this got more attention than I thought it would.
I am a bit embarrassed, it only uses 2 levels of samples and only
covers just over two octaves. I like the sound but it's no where
close to being a properly sampled instrument.
On 13 April 2013 21:36, Florian Paul Schmidt <mista.tapas(a)gmx.net> wrote:
Stupid question: What can I use to use sfz?
On 13 April 2013 22:02, Folderol <folderol(a)ukfsn.org> wrote:
Even more stupid question.
Is there a way to convert sfz to sf2?
I use Linuxsampler without a GUI, just Lisalo to play both sf2 and sfz
files. I have this as a Petri-Foo sample bank as well which is what I
used originally to work out how to arrange and pitch-shift the
samples. I could put that up somewhere.
I don't really know what is involved in creating sf2 files. Maybe you
could use synthclone?
http://code.google.com/p/synthclone/
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