22 May
2006
22 May
'06
1:23 p.m.
Hi folks,
I'm close now to getting some hardware, so I have more precise
questions before I hit one of the music stores. I'd like ot have to
suggestions/comments concerning a setup for doing what I'd liek to do.
And that is: being able to input sequencer data using three different
approaches: percussion, guitar and keyboard. For the sound sources,
I'm presently partial to hardware synths/samplers. Although I've got
some good sounds in the past (using soundfonts and a Live ! card and
MuSE) I still feel that the best sounds are from actual hardware synths
and samplers. I'd like to have some feedback on this. Are 'software'
sounds really that good when compared to actual hardware synths ? What
about samplers ? Are there any pro or semi-pro hardware synth and
sampler cards for the PC that could turn a PC (with an additional
external MIDI keyboard) into such a beast as these Korg (or
others') workstations ?
First of all I do not yet have a sound card for the AMD64 MSI K8N
Neo4 board I have (4GB RAM and lots of disk space). So far I see these
Hammerfall and M-Audio series.
I'd also like to get accoustic input from accoustic guitars, flutes,
and possibly voices/vocals.
And then there's the playback using good speakers.
And then there's the MIDI input when more than one MIDI instrument is
used at the same time. Surely there must be a patch bay of some sorts.
And there are the special effects, of which reverb would be mandatory
to start with.
So, if I choose the hardware sounds, I'll have to get some kind of
external mixer for the line outs of the synths and mikes, isn't it ?
What does Ardour mixes after all ? Can it control some kind of
hardware mixers of which the knobs were removed (cheaper price ?) so to
speak ?
Thanks a lot for any comments !
Cheers,
Al
22 May
22 May
5:08 p.m.
hey.
thats a lot of questions, i am not quite sure what you are planning to do.
to compare "hw" vs "sw" in this case is a bit inappropriate - as all
digital
solutions use hw and some kind of sw. with a fast pc you can surely build an
audioworkstation far superior to most standalone boxes that, in most cases,
wont be able to give you as much features and tweakability as a real
workstation. id say this small boxes are just little cheap audioworkstations
with a limit range of uses. i suggest you take a look at
http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/
then go and buy yourself a rme hammerfall spu, and install the above mentioned
software, newest alsa and newest jack-audio-system to the rme-pc. then start
adding applications to that system as soon as it runs. use qjackctl to
control the audiosystem of that workstation on a lightweight desktop, maybe a
small gnome or even just a mwm. this will give you a basis for almost
anything possible with sound. soundcards usually have a mixerdevice on them,
and a good soundcard will have a good hw-mixer on it that will let you
controll more than just the volumes of your channels and the
midi-functionality. there apps for jack for almost every need, and some, like
ardour and even many old stuff like eca or snd.
you have to do some hours of reading on all this, but it sure is worth it.
to answer your hardware questions a bit more specific:
as i said, get a rme card which fullfills your needs, use the fastet bus
options avaible, and go for a overall low latency system. fast ram, fast
disk... and keep the installed system as small and light as possible.
if your have gotten this far you will sure have a clue how to connect a
midikeyboard to your workstation and so on.
a major plus doing this the linux way is that it is cheap, and once stable it
just rocks. hope you find something to fit your audioneeds.
mfg
jonas beck
On Monday 22 May 2006 19:23, lanas wrote:
Hi folks,
I'm close now to getting some hardware, so I have more precise
questions before I hit one of the music stores. I'd like ot have to
suggestions/comments concerning a setup for doing what I'd liek to do.
And that is: being able to input sequencer data using three different
approaches: percussion, guitar and keyboard. For the sound sources,
I'm presently partial to hardware synths/samplers. Although I've got
some good sounds in the past (using soundfonts and a Live ! card and
MuSE) I still feel that the best sounds are from actual hardware synths
and samplers. I'd like to have some feedback on this. Are 'software'
sounds really that good when compared to actual hardware synths ? What
about samplers ? Are there any pro or semi-pro hardware synth and
sampler cards for the PC that could turn a PC (with an additional
external MIDI keyboard) into such a beast as these Korg (or
others') workstations ?
First of all I do not yet have a sound card for the AMD64 MSI K8N
Neo4 board I have (4GB RAM and lots of disk space). So far I see these
Hammerfall and M-Audio series.
I'd also like to get accoustic input from accoustic guitars, flutes,
and possibly voices/vocals.
And then there's the playback using good speakers.
And then there's the MIDI input when more than one MIDI instrument is
used at the same time. Surely there must be a patch bay of some sorts.
And there are the special effects, of which reverb would be mandatory
to start with.
So, if I choose the hardware sounds, I'll have to get some kind of
external mixer for the line outs of the synths and mikes, isn't it ?
What does Ardour mixes after all ? Can it control some kind of
hardware mixers of which the knobs were removed (cheaper price ?) so to
speak ?
Thanks a lot for any comments !
Cheers,
Al
7:35 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Getting some hardware...
Hi there! Glad to be loading you up with my opinions. Here we go!
And that is: being able to input sequencer data
using three different
approaches: percussion, guitar and keyboard. For the sound sources,
Way cool! What input devices are you using/planning to use? What MIDI
interface?
I'm presently partial to hardware synths/samplers.
Although I've got
some good sounds in the past (using soundfonts and a Live ! card and
MuSE) I still feel that the best sounds are from actual hardware synths
and samplers. I'd like to have some feedback on this. Are 'software'
That, I believe, is a big load of baloney, unless of course you believe
in the esoteric powers of the MiniMoog (which can neither be proven nor
disproven). As for samplers, a sampler is simply an expensive digital
tape recorder that can be triggered by MIDI. There are absolutely NO
SOUNDS in a sampler before someone puts them in. What you're looking for
are SAMPLES, which can be used just fine with linux.
There are loads of sample CDs available commercially, and many samples
are availale for free as well. I think the free stuff is WAY more
interesting, simply because there are absolutely no pathetically
uncreative and easily manipulated suits to make decisions for the
artists. Check out this (http://freesound.iua.upf.edu/) and tell me
there's no quality sound available for free.
OF COURSE sampler salespeople will tell you the opposite, they're trying
to sell you samplers! Of course, I'm a linux enthusiast, so I'm trying
to sell you linux. The decision, as always, is up to you.
As for synthesizers, the synths basically all do the same thing. There's
analogue synthesis, subtractive synthesis, and physical modelling. All
the marketing people are blowing a whole bunch of horns on little
details that make no difference whatsoever if you're a good musician.
All I ever need for synths is ZynAddSubFX, which has additive and
subtractive synthesis. Of course, you need to learn to synthesize your
own sounds, but you need to do that anyway if you're going to take your
creative juices seriously.
Believe me, when you have your first gig and all you're carrying is a
lap top computer instead of twenty different 20kg devices that all need
to be hooked up the exactly right of 10'000 different ways, you're gonna
thank me. That's why we use linux, real time mixing, synthing, sampling
and recording all in one device, and we can MIDI-control it if we want
some fancy faders.
sounds really that good when compared to actual
hardware synths ? What
about samplers ? Are there any pro or semi-pro hardware synth and
sampler cards for the PC that could turn a PC (with an additional
external MIDI keyboard) into such a beast as these Korg (or
others') workstations ?
You need excellent D/A converters which you can get at the price of a
hardware sampler. Try RME and Apogee devices. Then you will have
superior audio quality and flexibility.
First of all I do not yet have a sound card for the
AMD64 MSI K8N
Neo4 board I have (4GB RAM and lots of disk space). So far I see these
Hammerfall and M-Audio series.
Rumours have it M-Audio suffers difficult-to-predict linux
incompatibilities. Right now I like the ESI, Roland and RME stuff, or
Echo if you don't need a lot of ports and have a laptop.
I'd also like to get accoustic input from
accoustic guitars, flutes,
and possibly voices/vocals.
For that, you need a condensor microphone with a pre-amplifier that
supports phantom power. Or, you can get something like the Samson C01U
USB mike, and have low-priced decent quality in an all-in-one thing.
Screw the latency though for anything USB, it's hard to get below 40ms
in my experience.
If you go for an analogue microphone, get a condensor microphone for
studio recording, a dynamic microphone for live stage vocals and winds,
and a specialized acoustic guitar pick-up for the gitty.
For Mics I have a good hunch about Sennheiser.
I suggest you get a card like the edirol thingies that include Mic
pre-amps. Unless you want to go ultra-high-end and get a rack and
devices that mount there. Try Apogee if you're rich.
And then there's the playback using good
speakers.
Studio monitors. Pay attention to 'linear frequency response' and get
what sounds good. I tested and found Behringer's to be sub-standard,
aside of that I can't say much. For headphones, I have the Sennheiser HD
265 and it's gorgeous, a joy to listen, AND linear. cost me 200 big ones.
And then there's the MIDI input when more than
one MIDI instrument is
used at the same time. Surely there must be a patch bay of some sorts.
USB MIDI around 70 biggies, or included if you get an all-in-one card.
Just be sure to get firewire and NOT USB. (latency and reliability)
And there are the special effects, of which reverb
would be mandatory
to start with.
Suggest you go software. That's where the big savings come in using free
software. From all you wanna buy it sounds like you could possibly
afford Apogee converters, and even a Neumann microphone. I would get the
very best analogue signal chain and keep it short, then do the rest with
Free Software.
Tell you what: Get the Apogee Ensemble for the best D/A conversion
around, INCLUDING pre-amps, and then PAY the freebob people to write
drivers. That way your money couldn't be invested any better. Before I
would buy a reverb unit I would pay some free software guy to write one
and GPL it. That way you're benefitting thousands of people. Believe in
Karma?
So, if I choose the hardware sounds, I'll have to get some kind of
external mixer for the line outs of the synths and
mikes, isn't it ?
What does Ardour mixes after all ? Can it control some kind of
hardware mixers of which the knobs were removed (cheaper price ?) so to
speak ?
Yikes. LONG analogue signal chain. Bad. Very expensive to get decent
quality. Invest money in good D/A conversion and pre-amps, and do
everything else inside the computer. Best value for money.
Thanks a lot for any comments !
Cheers,
Al
You're very welcome. Hope I could help. Your thoughts on my comments
very welcome.
Carlo
7:58 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Getting some hardware...
On Tue, 2006-05-23 at 01:35 +0200, Carlo Capocasa wrote:
Believe me, when you have your first gig and all
you're carrying is a
lap top computer instead of twenty different 20kg devices that all
need to be hooked up the exactly right of 10'000 different ways,
you're gonna thank me. That's why we use linux, real time mixing,
synthing, sampling and recording all in one device, and we can
MIDI-control it if we want some fancy faders.
Well, this cuts both ways. Those 20kg devices are made to handle
spilling beer into them or being whacked with the head of a guitar or a
flying drumstick. Laptops are made to sit on a desk in an office or in
a padded bag.
Lee
8:05 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Getting some hardware...
Lee Revell wrote:
On Tue, 2006-05-23 at 01:35 +0200, Carlo Capocasa
wrote:
Yeah it's hard to really head bang when you have to worry about your
geek bandmates laptop ;)
--
Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd.
Http://www.boosthardware.com
Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide
========================================
"Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will
become reality" - Macka B
Believe me, when you have your first gig and all
you're carrying is a
lap top computer instead of twenty different 20kg devices that all
need to be hooked up the exactly right of 10'000 different ways,
you're gonna thank me. That's why we use linux, real time mixing,
synthing, sampling and recording all in one device, and we can
MIDI-control it if we want some fancy faders.
Well, this cuts both ways. Those 20kg devices are made to handle
spilling beer into them or being whacked with the head of a guitar or a
flying drumstick. Laptops are made to sit on a desk in an office or in
a padded bag.
8:51 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Getting some hardware...
Carlo Capocasa wrote:
Still the same prob. Better to become a DJ.
:-P
--
Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd.
Http://www.boosthardware.com
Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide
========================================
"Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will
become reality" - Macka B
Yeah it's hard to really head bang when you
have to worry about your
geek bandmates laptop ;)
Get a geek band.
9:03 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Getting some hardware...
If there's one thing I'm going to do before I die it's become the
coolest, most famous musician I possibly can and lug around a laptop
with a really big penguin on it.
Geeks get some.
9:32 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Getting some hardware...
On Tue May 23, 2006 at 03:02:36AM +0200, Carlo Capocasa wrote:
If there's one thing I'm going to do before I
die it's become the coolest, most famous musician I possibly can and lug around a
laptop with a
really big penguin on it.
is anyone giving away these stickers for free? the best i could find was a big pile of
Gay-Flag^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HApple stickers from my IIGS/...
Geeks get some.
11:14 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Getting some hardware...
On Tue, 2006-05-23 at 02:36 +0200, Carlo Capocasa wrote:
Hey, I'm a geek, and I spill beer on things and break stuff all the
time!
Lee
Yeah it's
hard to really head bang when you have to worry about your
geek bandmates laptop ;)
Get a geek band.
29 May
29 May
7:02 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Getting some hardware...
On Tuesday 23 May 2006 04:14, Lee Revell was like:
On Tue, 2006-05-23 at 02:36 +0200, Carlo Capocasa
wrote:
Hey, I'm a geek, and I spill beer on things and break stuff all the
time!
Yeah, My band is pretty geeky as it goes, nevertheless all equipment is
expected to bounce up and down with the stage, same as the personnel. Doing
anything else would severely cramp our style. Guess we won't be using a
laptop live anytime soon then.
--
cheers,
tim hall
http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim
We are the people We've been waiting for.
Yeah
it's hard to really head bang when you have to worry about your
geek bandmates laptop ;)
Get a geek band. 
8:22 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Getting some hardware...
On Mon, 29 May 2006 12:02:20 +0100
tim hall <tech(a)glastonburymusic.org.uk> wrote:
On Tuesday 23 May 2006 04:14, Lee Revell was like:
Sounds like you want one of those rugged-ised industrial computers...
complete with die-cast ally case and built in vandal-proof LCD
screen :)
--
F
On Tue, 2006-05-23 at 02:36 +0200, Carlo Capocasa
wrote:
Hey, I'm a geek, and I spill beer on things and break stuff all the
time!
Yeah, My band is pretty geeky as it goes, nevertheless all equipment is
expected to bounce up and down with the stage, same as the personnel. Doing
anything else would severely cramp our style. Guess we won't be using a
laptop live anytime soon then. Yeah
it's hard to really head bang when you have to worry about your
geek bandmates laptop ;)
Get a geek band.
30 May
30 May
1:53 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Getting some hardware...
On Monday 29 May 2006 13:24, Folderol was like:
On Mon, 29 May 2006 12:02:20 +0100
tim hall <tech(a)glastonburymusic.org.uk> wrote:
Yeah, I also need to figure out how to program it to improvise. ;)
--
cheers,
tim hall
http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim
We are the people We've been waiting for.
On Tuesday 23 May 2006 04:14, Lee Revell was
like:
Sounds like you want one of those rugged-ised industrial computers...
complete with die-cast ally case and built in vandal-proof LCD
screen :) On Tue, 2006-05-23 at 02:36 +0200, Carlo Capocasa
wrote:
Yeah, My band is pretty geeky as it goes, nevertheless all equipment is
expected to bounce up and down with the stage, same as the personnel.
Doing anything else would severely cramp our style. Guess we won't be
using a laptop live anytime soon then. > Yeah it's hard to really head bang when
you have to worry about
> your geek bandmates laptop ;)
Get a geek band.
Hey, I'm a geek, and I spill beer on things and break stuff all the
time!
22 May
22 May
8:08 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Getting some hardware...
On Tue, 23 May 2006 01:35:18 +0200
Carlo Capocasa <capocasa(a)gmx.net> wrote:
Hi !
Hi there! Glad to be loading you up with my opinions.
Here we go!
Guess what, I've printed your reply, am going through it with a pencil,
and will research each item mentioned. There's an awful lot in there
that I simply don't know nothing about.
Overall, I can say for now that yeah, you do provide the good points of
using more Linux than hardware.
Get back to you with some more questions soon.
Cheers,
Al
23 May
23 May
3:05 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Getting some hardware...
And then
there's the playback using good speakers.
Studio monitors. Pay attention to 'linear frequency response' and get
what sounds good. I tested and found Behringer's to be sub-standard,
aside of that I can't say much. For headphones, I have the Sennheiser HD
265 and it's gorgeous, a joy to listen, AND linear. cost me 200 big ones.
27 May
27 May
6:12 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Getting some input (was Getting some hardware...)
On Tue, 23 May 2006 01:35:18 +0200
Carlo Capocasa <capocasa(a)gmx.net> wrote:
Hi !
Hi there! Glad to be loading you up with my opinions.
Here we go!
I started by looking at this. Last time I checked that out there was
the Roland GR-707 synth guitar with that funny arm, and Roland's
Octapad. So, there are quite a few things new nowadays.
Basically if I follow your advice, all sounds would be generated by the
Linux PC so there's no need to have an external device that also has
sounds, unless I want to use them through line-ins or by miking an amp.
For percussion, I've looked at Roland's HPD-15 Handsonic and the Korg
padKontrol. The latter makes me think of a Roland drum device I once
had and whose pads were placed in a similar manner. And then, what's
ncie with the other, the Hadnsonic thing, is its shape which makes it
look a lot more natural to tap stuff with fingers. Much like tapping
on the armrests of a chair and stuff like that. But then, it has a lot
of sounds and features that could very well be ignored in the long run
(well, maybe some sounds can be used).
With such a device (either of them) is it possible to play it in a
Linux sequencer (such as MuSE perhaps) using the device's sounds and
upon playback, the device will play the sequenced MIDI notes using its
own sounds ?
If I use 5 pads to generate 5 different sounds on the PC, does it work
using 5 different MIDI channels ? How many MIDI channels are there
available ?
What is this CC (channel control I think) feature that some device
has ? How can it be used in a typical PC (Linux) based setup ?
Also, if I only use sounds from the Linux PC (generated by what
exactly - I only know presently of the synth you mentioned in your
last reply), is it possible to assign 8 sounds for the percussion
device, then playback those sequenced sounds (notes) and then add 10
more other sounds eventually coming from a MIDI guiatr controler, a
keyboard, etc... I.e. is there a limit on the number of sounds a Linux
PC can generated in response to a sequenced MIDI score ?
So this brings me to the guitar. I've looked at the Yamaha interface
(pick + module) and the features seems quite good. Like the
possibility of changing the sound depending where you pluck the string
and the possibility of assinging certain sounds to certain strings.
That'd be the G50 controller and the G1D pick-up. I'd install that on
a new electric guitar (I only have accoustics now and altough a MIDI
accoustic steel-string is tempting, I want to obtain clear MIDI only
sounds and that would require heavy headphones to cut the accoustic
sounds).
So while I'm not 100% sure about the percussion device, I'd favor much
the Yamaha stuff for the guitar.
For a keyboard, I have a very simple one now that sends MIDI notes
(I've used it with MuSE a few years back) so that's OK for now.
Any comments, suggestions, etc... appreciated.
Cheers,
Al
And that is: being able to input sequencer data
using three
different approaches: percussion, guitar and keyboard. For the
sound sources,
Way cool! What input devices are you using/planning to use? What MIDI
interface? 
7:35 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Getting some input (was Getting some hardware...)
On Sat, 2006-05-27 at 18:11 -0400, lanas wrote:
For percussion, I've looked at Roland's HPD-15
Handsonic and the Korg
padKontrol. The latter makes me think of a Roland drum device I once
had and whose pads were placed in a similar manner. And then, what's
ncie with the other, the Hadnsonic thing, is its shape which makes it
look a lot more natural to tap stuff with fingers. Much like tapping
on the armrests of a chair and stuff like that. But then, it has a lot
of sounds and features that could very well be ignored in the long run
(well, maybe some sounds can be used).
With such a device (either of them) is it possible to play it in a
Linux sequencer (such as MuSE perhaps) using the device's sounds and
upon playback, the device will play the sequenced MIDI notes using its
own sounds ?
If I use 5 pads to generate 5 different sounds on the PC, does it work
using 5 different MIDI channels ? How many MIDI channels are there
available ?
the handsonic sends different note numbers for each pad, all on the same
channel. the channel is generally channel 10, though it depends which
program you are using.
the handsonic is nice and a lot of fun; a drumKAT has better quality
sensors though less of them, no edge detection, and no samples. you
might find a cheap on ebay. it also has no D-beam or slide controls -
its a much simpler device but is also much more robust.
Also, if I only use sounds from the Linux PC
(generated by what
exactly - I only know presently of the synth you mentioned in your
last reply), is it possible to assign 8 sounds for the percussion
device, then playback those sequenced sounds (notes) and then add 10
more other sounds eventually coming from a MIDI guiatr controler, a
keyboard, etc... I.e. is there a limit on the number of sounds a Linux
PC can generated in response to a sequenced MIDI score ?
not really.
28 May
28 May
8:52 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Getting some input (was Getting some hardware...)
On Sat, 27 May 2006 19:35:25 -0400
Paul Davis <paul(a)linuxaudiosystems.com> wrote:
Hi,
> If I use 5 pads to generate 5 different sounds on
the PC, does it
> work using 5 different MIDI channels ? How many MIDI channels are
> there available ?
the handsonic sends different note numbers for each
pad, all on the
same channel. the channel is generally channel 10, though it depends
which program you are using.
To illustrate this, if I use a Linux sequencer such as MuSE, it will
receive note data on channel 10. So everything I tap on the Handsonic
will be sequenced by MuSE. But how about if I do not use the Handsonic
built-in sounds ? Is it possible for the Linux PC to generate 5
different sounds for this channel, for MuSE to know which note (MIDI
event) belongs to which sound, and then to actually playback the MIDI
events on channel 10 with all the different sounds ?
The Kat controllers looks quite interesting. The videos all have
people playing it with drumsticks. Do you know if it is possible to
play it with hands ?
Cheers,
Al
9:19 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Getting some input (was Getting some hardware...)
On Sunday 28 May 2006 13:52, lanas wrote:
On Sat, 27 May 2006 19:35:25 -0400
Paul Davis <paul(a)linuxaudiosystems.com> wrote:
Hi,
To illustrate this, if I use a Linux sequencer such as MuSE, it will
receive note data on channel 10. So everything I tap on the Handsonic
will be sequenced by MuSE. But how about if I do not use the Handsonic
built-in sounds ? Is it possible for the Linux PC to generate 5
different sounds for this channel, for MuSE to know which note (MIDI
event) belongs to which sound, and then to actually playback the MIDI
events on channel 10 with all the different sounds ?
I didn't follow all this but I gather what you are after would be possible one
way or another with all sequencers.
With MusE you would create a drum-map that would direct each note to a
specific sound.
Regards,
Robert
If I use
5 pads to generate 5 different sounds on the PC, does it
work using 5 different MIDI channels ? How many MIDI channels are
there available ?
the handsonic sends different note numbers for each pad, all on the
same channel. the channel is generally channel 10, though it depends
which program you are using.
The Kat controllers looks quite interesting. The videos all have
people playing it with drumsticks. Do you know if it is possible to
play it with hands ?
Cheers,
Al
--
http://spamatica.se/musicsite/
10:02 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Getting some input (was Getting some hardware...)
Le 28 May à 08:52, lanas ecrivait:
To illustrate this, if I use a Linux sequencer such as
MuSE, it will
receive note data on channel 10. So everything I tap on the Handsonic
will be sequenced by MuSE. But how about if I do not use the Handsonic
built-in sounds ? Is it possible for the Linux PC to generate 5
different sounds for this channel, for MuSE to know which note (MIDI
event) belongs to which sound, and then to actually playback the MIDI
events on channel 10 with all the different sounds ?
The « linux PC » in itself won't generate any sound, but various
softwares will. About drums, with MuSE's drum editor, you can very easily
define a drum track which won't have all its notes on the same port nor on
the same channel.
Also, you can have, *on the output*, each instrument of the drums
(I mean each number of note, each key of the keyboard) assigned to a
dedicated port, and channel on this port, which means for example :
Snare on channel 1, cymbals on 2, Kick on 3 and toms on 4, of 4
differents samples, each sample loaded in its own channel of linuxsampler.
Congas on another port, affected to channel 1 of hydrogen with the
appropriate drumkit loaded
Gong played on channel 1 on another port of antoher software, for
example a soundfont loaded in Fluidsynth which you can control inside of
MuSE or outside of it with Qsynth.
And so on. Theorically, there are more than 16 midi channels on
the same port (I have just seen this possibility, I haven't used it).
All these sounds can be assigned to a dedicated audio output and
plugged to another software in Jack, so you can record each one of them in
Ardour on a dedicated track and mix them separately with a special set of
effects on each track, to the most complete confusion if you put enough
different reverbs, and why not delays :).
Of course, you can assign some midi outputs in the drum editor of
MuSE to re-use the device used to enter the notes in the sequencer (or
another external device), depending on the multi channel capabilities of
your devices, and finally its audio outputs.
I personnaly strongly recommand to save such a drumkit in Muse
once you're satisfied, to reuse it for another track :).
Best,
Y.
7 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Getting some input (was Getting some hardware...)
On 5/28/06, lanas <lanas(a)securenet.net> wrote:
On Sat, 27 May 2006 19:35:25 -0400
Paul Davis <paul(a)linuxaudiosystems.com> wrote:
Hi,
You can also connect it to a certain drum synth.... ;) http://smack.berlios.de
Loki
> If I use 5 pads to generate 5 different
sounds on the PC, does it
> work using 5 different MIDI channels ? How many MIDI channels are
> there available ?
the handsonic sends different note numbers for
each pad, all on the
same channel. the channel is generally channel 10, though it depends
which program you are using.
To illustrate this, if I use a Linux sequencer such as MuSE, it will
receive note data on channel 10. So everything I tap on the Handsonic
will be sequenced by MuSE. But how about if I do not use the Handsonic
built-in sounds ? Is it possible for the Linux PC to generate 5
different sounds for this channel, for MuSE to know which note (MIDI
event) belongs to which sound, and then to actually playback the MIDI
events on channel 10 with all the different sounds ?
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