28 May
2008
28 May
'08
2:59 a.m.
http://jakemandell.com/tonedeaf/
I apologise if this has been mailed before but I thought I should share.
Cool thing. Downside is that it requires Flash. Another downside is that on
Linux, at least on my system, the other flash objects linking to more tests
(rhtyhm, pitch etc) don't work. Anyway, the main one is fine.
My advice is to not take it seriously (relax, just go with the flow). That
way the result is more accurate (and natural) since in real situations we
won't be analysing every tune real-time.
28 May
28 May
3:53 a.m.
Ray Rashif wrote:
http://jakemandell.com/tonedeaf/
I apologise if this has been mailed before but I thought I should share.
Cool thing. Downside is that it requires Flash. Another downside is that
on Linux, at least on my system, the other flash objects linking to more
tests (rhtyhm, pitch etc) don't work. Anyway, the main one is fine.
My advice is to not take it seriously (relax, just go with the flow).
That way the result is more accurate (and natural) since in real
situations we won't be analysing every tune real-time.
72.2%. Not bad considering that there were assorted food preparation
sounds coming loudly from the kitchen at the time!
--
David
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
11:19 a.m.
On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 12:59 +0800, Ray Rashif wrote:
http://jakemandell.com/tonedeaf/
I apologise if this has been mailed before but I thought I should
share. Cool thing. Downside is that it requires Flash. Another
downside is that on Linux, at least on my system, the other flash
objects linking to more tests (rhtyhm, pitch etc) don't work. Anyway,
the main one is fine.
Ha, 83.3%. And yet I couldn't tune a guitar to save my life.
--ll
11:39 a.m.
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Lars Luthman <lars.luthman(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 12:59 +0800, Ray Rashif wrote:
91.7%.. if only it corresponded with musical ability!
http://jakemandell.com/tonedeaf/
I apologise if this has been mailed before but I thought I should
share. Cool thing. Downside is that it requires Flash. Another
downside is that on Linux, at least on my system, the other flash
objects linking to more tests (rhtyhm, pitch etc) don't work. Anyway,
the main one is fine.
Ha, 83.3%. And yet I couldn't tune a guitar to save my life.
12:20 p.m.
James Stone wrote:
91.7%.. if only it corresponded with musical ability!
A significant observation. :)
One of the best bar-band guitarists here in my town has perfect pitch
(as in absolute pitch). He can play and sing exactly like his models
(he's a terrific mimic), but he can't improvise a blues worth a damn. He
also has little or no sense for composition (though Garage Band lets him
think he does). I wish I had his ear, but I wouldn't trade it for my
other musical capabilities.
Best,
dp
4:49 p.m.
Dave Phillips wrote:
One of the best bar-band guitarists here in my town
has perfect pitch
(as in absolute pitch). He can play and sing exactly like his models
(he's a terrific mimic), but he can't improvise a blues worth a damn. He
also has little or no sense for composition (though Garage Band lets him
think he does). I wish I had his ear, but I wouldn't trade it for my
other musical capabilities.
Reminds me of a comment I heard once by a professional symphony orchestra
musician about some of his conservatory-trained colleagues: "they're
wonderful musicians, but they couldn't play 'Happy Birthday' without
the score in front of them."
Makes you wonder what's in their head when they think of music.
--
Frank Wales [frank(a)limov.com]
5:08 p.m.
Makes you wonder what's in their head when they think of music.
--
They're hearing exactly what is infront of them. A large part of one's
conservatory or university musical education is solfege/ear training. Most
good readers prehear what is infront of them along with the visual cues that
imply physical notes and figurings.
7:41 p.m.
Christian Delahousse wrote:
Frank Wales wrote:
Oh sure, but I was just surprised by the idea that some of them
could have all that training, yet be allegedly unable to
just pick up their instrument and play whatever they want without
having to have a written score to perform it from.
But then, I guess it's no different from a trained actor
who is nevertheless tongue-tied without a script.
--
Frank Wales [frank(a)limov.com]
Makes you wonder what's in their head when
they think of music.
They're hearing exactly what is infront of them. A large part of one's
conservatory or university musical education is solfege/ear training.
Most good readers prehear what is infront of them along with the visual
cues that imply physical notes and figurings. 
5:25 p.m.
On Wednesday 28 May 2008 20:49, Frank Wales wrote:
Dave Phillips wrote:
Seeing this I think of my dad who played the piano accordian. he couldn't read
music , but would hear a tune, and just be able to play it. There is
something to be said for that ability. In later years he bought a Hammond
organ, and leslie speaker (I think he found it a bit difficult to stand up
for an hour or so playing the accordian), but personally I found his
accordian playing had a little something extra, that the organ didn't
provide.
2¢ worth of memories.
Nigel.
One of the best bar-band guitarists here in my
town has perfect pitch
(as in absolute pitch). He can play and sing exactly like his models
(he's a terrific mimic), but he can't improvise a blues worth a damn. He
also has little or no sense for composition (though Garage Band lets him
think he does). I wish I had his ear, but I wouldn't trade it for my
other musical capabilities.
Reminds me of a comment I heard once by a professional symphony orchestra
musician about some of his conservatory-trained colleagues: "they're
wonderful musicians, but they couldn't play 'Happy Birthday' without
the score in front of them."
Makes you wonder what's in their head when they think of music. 
7:24 p.m.
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Nigel Henry wrote:
| There is
| something to be said for that ability.
When I was in college, there was an old guy who was some kind of
adjunct professor at the college. I don't think he actually
graduated from high school, as he had dropped out to play in
jazz bands. But it was a Jazz and Pop school, so that was
pretty important. (It was then called North Texas State Univ.
but it's now called University of Texas at Denton.) This old
guy's first jobs were playing in circus bands in the 40s. The
audition was that you got thrown into the band at a matinee
one day. Then, when your part was particualarly fast and
difficult, the conductor would signal for everybody else to
stop playing. If you stopped playing, because you thought
you were lost, you didn't get the job. You had to have confidence
in your sight reading.
The point, and I have a point other than the one on the top of
my head, is that there are a lot of different abilities. Both
sight reading and playing by ear are really valueable skills,
which anyone would do well to cultivate.
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7:44 p.m.
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 07:49:13PM +0100, Frank Wales wrote:
Reminds me of a comment I heard once by a professional
symphony orchestra
musician about some of his conservatory-trained colleagues: "they're
wonderful musicians, but they couldn't play 'Happy Birthday' without
the score in front of them."
Having worked with hundreds of not thousands of them, I can only
report that most of them are perfectly capable of playing "happy
birthday" without a score and in any key you want.
There are exceptions - some of them somehow managed to get their
official credentials without having any musical feeling - but
these are exceptions.
Ciao,
--
FA
Laboratorio di Acustica ed Elettroacustica
Parma, Italia
Lascia la spina, cogli la rosa.
9:14 p.m.
On Wed, 28 May 2008 23:35:12 +0200
Fons Adriaensen <fons(a)kokkinizita.net> wrote:
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 07:49:13PM +0100, Frank Wales
wrote:
We need them all though the good, the bad and the indifferent:)
Hmmm 77.8 I would have hoped for better really :/
--
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Reminds me of a comment I heard once by a
professional symphony orchestra
musician about some of his conservatory-trained colleagues: "they're
wonderful musicians, but they couldn't play 'Happy Birthday' without
the score in front of them."
Having worked with hundreds of not thousands of them, I can only
report that most of them are perfectly capable of playing "happy
birthday" without a score and in any key you want.
There are exceptions - some of them somehow managed to get their
official credentials without having any musical feeling - but
these are exceptions.
Ciao, 
2 Jun
2 Jun
11:13 p.m.
Ray Rashif wrote:
http://jakemandell.com/tonedeaf/
I apologise if this has been mailed before but I thought I should share.
Cool thing. Downside is that it requires Flash. Another downside is that
on Linux, at least on my system, the other flash objects linking to more
tests (rhtyhm, pitch etc) don't work. Anyway, the main one is fine.
all of them worked here (linux, rehat, 2.6.18)
this is amazing! and I am so glad I am not tone deaf! so proud of my
lower-than normal pitch recognition :-)
the last audio-visual test is most fun, my score, they go from low
abstraction level to higher abstraction level (order of cognition):
58.0% pitch
67.6% musical memory
71.1% contour discrimination
74.7% musical/visual abstraction
so glad it was proven I can enjoy music on higher levels even with
low-normal physical abilities :-) Not that I didn't enjoy it before but
now I have science supporting me :-)
I wish there were more tools/toys like that to train your low level
skills... anybody knows anything similar (I tried solfege but it's not
working very well for me)
erik
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