26 Nov
2002
26 Nov
'02
11:52 a.m.
Hello,
I am looking for a way to record my minidisc using the optical output of
my Minidisc Deck. My soundcard (a CMI8738 ) has got an optical input
so it should be easy ;-) .
My problem is that I don't know how to record the sound from the optical
input so that there is a new file created for each track an my MD.
I know that there is a signal to say: this is the end of the track. So
it should be possible to detect this sort of "End Of Track" but I don't
know if it must be in hardware or in software.
If it is possible to do this in software, do you know a software
recorder that records from the optical (or digital) input (with alsa)
and that creates a new file for each track?
Thank you for your help,
JrSky.
26 Nov
26 Nov
12:29 p.m.
roussel jerome wrote:
Hello,
I am looking for a way to record my minidisc using the optical output of
my Minidisc Deck. My soundcard (a CMI8738 ) has got an optical input
so it should be easy ;-) .
My problem is that I don't know how to record the sound from the optical
input so that there is a new file created for each track an my MD.
I know that there is a signal to say: this is the end of the track. So
it should be possible to detect this sort of "End Of Track" but I don't
know if it must be in hardware or in software.
If it is possible to do this in software, do you know a software
recorder that records from the optical (or digital) input (with alsa)
and that creates a new file for each track?
No. The track change frame information is not passed through
sound cards in either direction. There is no out of band channel
in sound card drivers for this information even if the card
recognized it or could generate it.
Bob
--
"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."
A. Einstein
2:25 p.m.
Bob Cain a e'crit:
roussel jerome wrote:
It surprises me, because the windows driver is able to detect the copy
protection bit and can change its behaviour with some
options. Do you think it could be possible to put that in a driver for
the "End of Track"?
JrSky
Hello,
I am looking for a way to record my minidisc using the optical output of
my Minidisc Deck. My soundcard (a CMI8738 ) has got an optical input
so it should be easy ;-) .
My problem is that I don't know how to record the sound from the optical
input so that there is a new file created for each track an my MD.
I know that there is a signal to say: this is the end of the track. So
it should be possible to detect this sort of "End Of Track" but I don't
know if it must be in hardware or in software.
If it is possible to do this in software, do you know a software
recorder that records from the optical (or digital) input (with alsa)
and that creates a new file for each track?
No. The track change frame information is not passed through
sound cards in either direction. There is no out of band channel
in sound card drivers for this information even if the card
recognized it or could generate it.
Bob
4:19 p.m.
roussel jerome wrote:
Can't say. I'm not sure what the driver sees at the hardware
interface to the various cards but I do know that the track
change information is just status info in the normal S/PDIF data
frames so even if it is detectable (or writeable) it would
require a separately open channel with the driver that operates
synchronously with the data channel. No drivers currently
support this even if it is available at the card.
I'm not sure if the SCMS info is like this or if it comes framed
separately.
Bob
--
"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."
A. Einstein
No. The track change frame information is not passed through
sound cards in either direction. There is no out of band channel
in sound card drivers for this information even if the card
recognized it or could generate it.
Bob
It surprises me, because the windows driver is able to detect the copy
protection bit and can change its behaviour with some
options. Do you think it could be possible to put that in a driver for
the "End of Track"? 
10:09 p.m.
Bob Cain wrote:
roussel jerome wrote:
Can't say. I'm not sure what the driver sees at the hardware
interface to the various cards but I do know that the track
change information is just status info in the normal S/PDIF data
frames so even if it is detectable (or writeable) it would
require a separately open channel with the driver that operates
synchronously with the data channel. No drivers currently
support this even if it is available at the card.
I'm not sure if the SCMS info is like this or if it comes framed
separately.
Bob
There is a program GramoFile that in addition to serving as a pop and
click filter is designed to detect the silence between tracks of a
continuously recorded copy of an LP record to break the one file into
tracks.
No. The
track change frame information is not passed through
sound cards in either direction. There is no out of band channel
in sound card drivers for this information even if the card
recognized it or could generate it.
Bob
It surprises me, because the windows driver is able to detect the copy
protection bit and can change its behaviour with some
options. Do you think it could be possible to put that in a driver for
the "End of Track"?
27 Nov
27 Nov
12:09 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] mixing advice
What do you think is the appropriate way to set the levels for a 12
channel mixing desk that is being sent to a stereo channel in another
mixer desk?
Would you set lowish on the master out and the gain high on the stereo in?
For micing an acoustic guitar in a space with large active speakers what
would be the best gain, equilzation and volume level to not have it
feedback often?
--
Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd.
For the discerning hardware connoisseur
Http://www.boosthardware.com
Http://www.djcj.org - The Linux Audio Users guide
========================================
Being on stage with the band in front of crowds shouting, "Get off! No!
We want normal music!", I think that was more like acting than anything
I've ever done.
Goldie, 8 Nov, 2002
The Scotsman
12:59 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] mixing advice
On Thu, Nov 28, 2002 at 12:53:15AM +0900, Patrick Shirkey wrote:
What do you think is the appropriate way to set the
levels for a 12
channel mixing desk that is being sent to a stereo channel in another
mixer desk?
Would you set lowish on the master out and the gain high on the stereo in?
Better to set the output levels at normal volume (0dB on the meter if you
have one) and adjust input gain on the stereo in.
The exception might be if the sending desk has pro level +4dB outputs and
the receiving desk is expecting consumer -10dB levels (in which case it
probably has RCA input sockets) - then you'd have to lower the mixer output
to prevent overloading.
In general, you don't want to drop levels lower than necessary in the
audio chain; then you have to use more gain (= more noise) to bring them
up again)
For micing an acoustic guitar in a space with large
active speakers what
would be the best gain, equilzation and volume level to not have it
feedback often?
Preventing feedback is about mic and speaker positioning (as far from each
other as possible!) as much as anything else.
You can sometime do things with EQ bit there in no 'correct' setting other
than anythings that works and sounds OK.
--
Anahata
anahata(a)treewind.co.uk Tel: 01638 720444
http://www.treewind.co.uk Mob: 07976 263827
1:12 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] mixing advice
On Thu, Nov 28, 2002 at 12:53:15 +0900, Patrick Shirkey wrote:
What do you think is the appropriate way to set the
levels for a 12
channel mixing desk that is being sent to a stereo channel in another
mixer desk?
Try a web search for "gain structure", eg.
http://www.sospubs.co.uk/sos/jan02/articles/practicalmixing.asp
For micing an acoustic guitar in a space with large
active speakers what
would be the best gain, equilzation and volume level to not have it
feedback often?
The total gain (in dB) needs to sum to <0 dB, eg. if you have two
amplifiers, one attenuates at -6dB (* 0.5), then the other must be < 6dB.
The thing you have to work out is what the attenuation/gain of the
monitors-air-mic chain is, once you know this (just play with it until you
get feedback and work it out form the other settings), you will know what
other levels are safe.
Hope that helps.
- Steve
28 Nov
28 Nov
4:32 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] mixing advice
Patrick Shirkey wrote:
What do you think is the appropriate way to set the levels for a 12
channel mixing desk that is being sent to a stereo channel in another
mixer desk?
Would you set lowish on the master out and the gain high on the stereo in?
no. in most cases, you would have the output stage at 0 db (which is
nominal operating level), and gain to match.
p.a. mixers often produce very loud output (i've seen 22 dbu), so watch
out what the input can handle.
in case you have to use a very long cable between the mixers, it might
be advisable to have the signal as loud as possible to minimize the
effects of picked-up hum in the cable. watch for distortion in the
inputs, though.
For micing an acoustic guitar in a space with large
active speakers what
would be the best gain, equilzation and volume level to not have it
feedback often?
put the microphone on stage, set up the p.a. (i.e. do basic eqing to
compensate room acoustics or weirdnesses of the p.a.) and open *all*
microphones you are going to use.
now tell people to get lost or shut up, plug your ears and raise the
volume carefully. you will get distict feedback at some frequencies.
ride the faders so that the feedback stays at a constant level, then
grab the eq and kill it (lower only enough to stop the feedback). now
increase the volume - another feedback frequency will take over. lather,
rinse, repeat, until the overall volume is what you need. some feedback
frequencies you already killed might re-appear at a higher volume - just
lower the eq band some more.
now ask the artist to sit on stage, hold the instrument in playing
position, cover his/her ears and continue the above procedure (the
presence of the guitar will significantly change the characteristics of
the mike, and the body tends to amplify some freqs as well.
don't overdo it. the louder, the lousier. often, clarity of sound can
more than compensate for a marginal lack of volume.
when you handle the gain carefully, no painful feedback should ever
occur, but it's very advisable to take precautions. use hearing
protection, tell the artists to do the same.
leave one hand on the mixer fader at all times if possible, or place an
assistant at the board who knows how to switch off all outputs.
DON'T TOUCH ANY SWITCHES DURING THE PROCEDURE. only faders, only gently.
if you do need to touch a switch, set the fader to zero first, no matter
how sure you are that this switch won't be a problem. make it a habit.
causing the stage crew a tinnitus is a CATASTROPHE. (plus, it's dead
embarrassing.)
--
Jörn Nettingsmeier
Kurfürstenstr 49, 45138 Essen, Germany
http://spunk.dnsalias.org (my server)
http://www.linuxdj.com/audio/lad/ (Linux Audio Developers)
27 Nov
27 Nov
12:19 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] fx rack and apps
What applications have people used that can provide rock solid fx
processing in realtime through the line input (not an internally created
stream)?
I have been trying out ssm but it has a lot of dropouts at the moment
and stability is not there.
I would really like to get one of my machines to be an fx rack.
--
Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd.
For the discerning hardware connoisseur
Http://www.boosthardware.com
Http://www.djcj.org - The Linux Audio Users guide
========================================
Being on stage with the band in front of crowds shouting, "Get off! No!
We want normal music!", I think that was more like acting than anything
I've ever done.
Goldie, 8 Nov, 2002
The Scotsman
12:56 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] fx rack and apps
Patrick Shirkey wrote on Thu, 28-Nov-2002:
What applications have people used that can provide
rock solid fx
processing in realtime through the line input (not an internally created
stream)?
Ecasound has treated me well, and its scriptability is hard
to beat.
I would really like to get one of my machines to be an
fx rack.
I've done this with a 1U-chassis, including an LCD front panel
with buttons. I've used it on stage in my bass rig's effects chain...
some custom interface software (python) around an ecasound core,
running with a 64 sample buffersize rock-solid (for most effects)
with a cheap ens1371. The primary UI is a midi foot-controller
(Rolls MidiWizard), but I still use the front-panel for some
things.
I will put up an info page about the hardware and software I'm
using "really soon now".
jlc
28 Nov
28 Nov
8:03 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] fx rack and apps
On Wed, 27 Nov 2002, Jesse Chappell wrote:
Patrick Shirkey wrote on Thu, 28-Nov-2002:
> What applications have people used that can provide rock solid fx
> processing in realtime through the line input (not an internally created
> stream)?
AlsaModularSynth can be used as realtime fx processor as well. See e.g.
the example_capture.ams example patch provided with the tarball. This
example combines a Moog filter with Canyon Delay and Freeverb. You can
insert any LADSPA effect by using the built-in LADSPA browser.
Matthias
--
Dr. Matthias Nagorni
SuSE GmbH
Deutschherrnstr. 15-19 phone: +49 911 74053375
D - 90429 Nuernberg fax : +49 911 74053483
29 Nov
29 Nov
2:08 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] fx rack and apps
On Wednesday, November 27, 2002, at 10:48 AM, Jesse Chappell wrote:
I've done this with a 1U-chassis, including an LCD
front panel
with buttons.
Jesse-
Where is the best place to get equipment for this purpose? What will
it cost? Do you have something that you can mount in an SKB music
rack, or do you need a heavier-duty one? I've wanted to do this for a
while -- if you have any HOWTO-type info or have documented your rig on
the web, I'm sure it would be useful (to me and to others).
Thanks,
wb
2 Dec
2 Dec
9:54 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] fx rack and apps
On Wed, Nov 27, 2002 at 11:48:32AM -0500, Jesse Chappell wrote:
I've done this with a 1U-chassis, including an LCD
front panel
with buttons. I've used it on stage in my bass rig's effects chain...
some custom interface software (python) around an ecasound core,
running with a 64 sample buffersize rock-solid (for most effects)
with a cheap ens1371. The primary UI is a midi foot-controller
(Rolls MidiWizard), but I still use the front-panel for some
things.
I will put up an info page about the hardware and software I'm
using "really soon now".
YES PLEASE!!!! :)
--
Paul Winkler
http://www.slinkp.com
"Welcome to Muppet Labs, where the future is made - today!"
11:56 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] fx rack and apps
On Mon, 2 Dec 2002 17:49:46 -0800
Paul Winkler <pw_lists(a)slinkp.com> wrote:
I second this.
./MiS
--
Michal Seta
CreaZone http://www.creazone.com
No One Receiving http://www.noonereceiving.32k.org
I will put up
an info page about the hardware and software I'm
using "really soon now".
YES PLEASE!!!! :) 
3 Dec
3 Dec
12:16 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] EMagic EMI 2|6
Are there linux drivers for this USB device?
3:53 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] EMagic EMI 2|6
Ron Lavoie wrote:
Are there linux drivers for this USB device?
At least one user has reported success with it but we haven't heard from
him for a while so we don't know the exact current status.
If you are looking at USB but don't know which one to go for the maudio
quattro has been working pretty well fo a while now. Although there are
some problems caturing with current cvs which were not there two weeks ago.
The ALSA USB audio code is known to work but many cards are still in
testing stage so you may have to do some debugging if you buy a USB
device at the moment. It's not so bad if you are have the time to spare.
--
Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd.
For the discerning hardware connoisseur
Http://www.boosthardware.com
Http://www.djcj.org - The Linux Audio Users guide
========================================
Being on stage with the band in front of crowds shouting, "Get off! No!
We want normal music!", I think that was more like acting than anything
I've ever done.
Goldie, 8 Nov, 2002
The Scotsman
5:24 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] EMagic EMI 2|6, DJ
Thanks Patrick:
I actually own one now that I'm using under M$ W2k.
I am interested in migrating my pro DJ setup to Linux, at least as an
alternate to PCDJ under M$. The other issues would be that there's no
pro-level MP3 DJ package (that I know of for Linux). The other challenge
is setting up IEEE1394 external storage support under Linux.
You may have heard of FinalScratch, but it seems that it's still buggy,
difficult to set up, and expensive. It also does not permit storage of
MP3s anywhere but the OS partition.
I was delighted to discover this list. Thanks again, Patrick, for the reply,
-Ron
At 04:36 AM 2002-12-04 +0900, you wrote:
Ron Lavoie wrote:
Are there linux drivers for this USB device?
At least one user has reported success with it but we haven't heard from
him for a while so we don't know the exact current status.
If you are looking at USB but don't know which one to go for the maudio
quattro has been working pretty well fo a while now. Although there are
some problems caturing with current cvs which were not there two weeks ago.
The ALSA USB audio code is known to work but many cards are still in
testing stage so you may have to do some debugging if you buy a USB device
at the moment. It's not so bad if you are have the time to spare.
--
Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd.
For the discerning hardware connoisseur
Http://www.boosthardware.com
Http://www.djcj.org - The Linux Audio Users guide
========================================
Being on stage with the band in front of crowds shouting, "Get off! No! We
want normal music!", I think that was more like acting than anything I've
ever done.
Goldie, 8 Nov, 2002
The Scotsman
5:46 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] EMagic EMI 2|6, DJ
On Tue, Dec 03, 2002 at 04:19:37PM -0500, Ron Lavoie wrote:
You may have heard of FinalScratch, but it seems that
it's still buggy,
difficult to set up, and expensive. It also does not permit storage of
MP3s anywhere but the OS partition.
Well, GDAM improves on at least the last two of those :)
I did my first-ever DJ gig with GDAM after only a couple days of
playing with it. I don't know if it'll meet your needs but it's
surely worth a look.
--PW
--
Paul Winkler
http://www.slinkp.com
"Welcome to Muppet Labs, where the future is made - today!"
6:19 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] EMagic EMI 2|6, DJ
I believe it does, but I know terminatorX supports both for sure, along
with radical scratching and re-cueing. I believe gdam also has midi
control capabilites.
http://www.brianredfern.org
On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, Ron Lavoie wrote:
Does GDAM support pitch control or master tempo?
At 01:41 PM 2002-12-03 -0800, you wrote:
surely worth a look.
6:55 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] EMagic EMI 2|6, DJ
On Tue, Dec 03, 2002 at 05:04:18PM -0500, Ron Lavoie wrote:
Does GDAM support pitch control or master tempo?
you can have as many "turntables" as you want, and each can
have independent speed, and you can "nudge" each one for manual
beat-matching. You can also set up (ahead of time) a beat map
for a song - so gdam will remember where every beat of that
song is next time you load it - and then you can lock 1
turntable to the other and they will stay in perfect sync
with each other.
you can also use any LADSPA plugin, and there are a number
of GDAM-specific effects that are quite useful.
It's also skinnable, if you don't like how it looks/feels.
but i haven't tried that.
If only it supported JACK... :(
--
Paul Winkler
http://www.slinkp.com
"Welcome to Muppet Labs, where the future is made - today!"
6:14 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] EMagic EMI 2|6, DJ
There's two different pro-level programs, terminatorX (which I wrote the
quicktoot for), and also Gdam, which is just as good as PCDJ. Final
scratch pro is really expensive, while terminatorx and gdam are gpl. Gdam
is quicker to load files and supports mutliple soundcards (one for
playback and one for cueing). TerminatorX can use cueing via a stereo
splitter and both also have their own beatmatching mechanisms.
http://www.brianredfern.org
On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, Ron Lavoie wrote:
Thanks Patrick:
I actually own one now that I'm using under M$ W2k.
I am interested in migrating my pro DJ setup to Linux, at least as an
alternate to PCDJ under M$. The other issues would be that there's no
pro-level MP3 DJ package (that I know of for Linux). The other challenge
is setting up IEEE1394 external storage support under Linux.
You may have heard of FinalScratch, but it seems that it's still buggy,
difficult to set up, and expensive. It also does not permit storage of
MP3s anywhere but the OS partition.
I was delighted to discover this list. Thanks again, Patrick, for the reply,
-Ron
At 04:36 AM 2002-12-04 +0900, you wrote:
Ron Lavoie wrote:
Are there linux drivers for this USB device?
At least one user has reported success with it but we haven't heard from
him for a while so we don't know the exact current status.
If you are looking at USB but don't know which one to go for the maudio
quattro has been working pretty well fo a while now. Although there are
some problems caturing with current cvs which were not there two weeks ago.
The ALSA USB audio code is known to work but many cards are still in
testing stage so you may have to do some debugging if you buy a USB device
at the moment. It's not so bad if you are have the time to spare.
--
Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd.
For the discerning hardware connoisseur
Http://www.boosthardware.com
Http://www.djcj.org - The Linux Audio Users guide
========================================
Being on stage with the band in front of crowds shouting, "Get off! No! We
want normal music!", I think that was more like acting than anything I've
ever done.
Goldie, 8 Nov, 2002
The Scotsman
4 Dec
4 Dec
9:12 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] EMagic EMI 2|6, DJ
I tried to apt-get install terminatorX (great, resonant name), but I got
caught in dependency Hell. I'm running the 2.4 kernel.
At 02:09 PM 2002-12-03 -0800, you wrote:
There's two different pro-level programs,
terminatorX (which I wrote the
quicktoot for), and also Gdam, which is just as good as PCDJ. Final
scratch pro is really expensive, while terminatorx and gdam are gpl. Gdam
is quicker to load files and supports mutliple soundcards (one for
playback and one for cueing). TerminatorX can use cueing via a stereo
splitter and both also have their own beatmatching mechanisms.
http://www.brianredfern.org
On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, Ron Lavoie wrote:
Thanks Patrick:
I actually own one now that I'm using under M$ W2k.
I am interested in migrating my pro DJ setup to Linux, at least as an
alternate to PCDJ under M$. The other issues would be that there's no
pro-level MP3 DJ package (that I know of for Linux). The other challenge
is setting up IEEE1394 external storage support under Linux.
You may have heard of FinalScratch, but it seems that it's still buggy,
difficult to set up, and expensive. It also does not permit storage of
MP3s anywhere but the OS partition.
I was delighted to discover this list. Thanks again, Patrick, for the
reply,
-Ron
At 04:36 AM 2002-12-04 +0900, you wrote:
>Ron Lavoie wrote:
>>Are there linux drivers for this USB device?
>
>At least one user has reported success with it but we haven't heard from
>him for a while so we don't know the exact current status.
>
>If you are looking at USB but don't know which one to go for the maudio
>quattro has been working pretty well fo a while now. Although there are
>some problems caturing with current cvs which were not there two weeks
ago.
>
>The ALSA USB audio code is known to work but many cards are still in
>testing stage so you may have to do some debugging if you buy a USB
device
>at the moment. It's not so bad if you are
have the time to spare.
>
>
>--
>Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd.
>For the discerning hardware connoisseur
>Http://www.boosthardware.com
>Http://www.djcj.org - The Linux Audio Users guide
>========================================
>
>Being on stage with the band in front of crowds shouting, "Get off!
No!
We
> >want normal music!", I think that was more like acting than anything
I've
> >ever done.
> >
> >Goldie, 8 Nov, 2002
> >The Scotsman
>
> 
9:49 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] EMagic EMI 2|6, DJ
I'm assuming that you'running debian but I might be
wrong. the newest TerminatorX requires GTK2 which if
you're running stable you don't have. I would put some
unstable sources in you'tr sources.list and then try
it. Itmay also help to upgrade to Gnome2, It's well
worth it. An alternative would be to go term's
website and grab an older source for GTK1.2. goodluck!
art
--- Ron Lavoie <ronlavoie(a)rogers.com> wrote:
I tried to apt-get install terminatorX (great,
resonant name), but I got
caught in dependency Hell. I'm running the 2.4
kernel.
At 02:09 PM 2002-12-03 -0800, you wrote:
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There's two different pro-level programs,
terminatorX (which I wrote the
quicktoot for), and also Gdam, which is just as
good as PCDJ. Final
scratch pro is really expensive, while terminatorx
and gdam are gpl. Gdam
is quicker to load files and supports mutliple
soundcards (one for
playback and one for cueing). TerminatorX can use
cueing via a stereo
splitter and both also have their own beatmatching
mechanisms.
http://www.brianredfern.org
On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, Ron Lavoie wrote:
> Thanks Patrick:
>
> I actually own one now that I'm using under M$
W2k.
>
> I am interested in migrating my pro DJ setup to
Linux, at least as an
> alternate to PCDJ under M$. The other
issues
would be that there's no
> pro-level MP3 DJ package (that I know of for
Linux). The other challenge
> is setting up IEEE1394 external storage
support
under Linux.
>
> You may have heard of FinalScratch, but it seems
that it's still buggy,
> difficult to set up, and expensive. It also
does not permit storage of
> MP3s anywhere but the OS partition.
>
> I was delighted to discover this list. Thanks
again, Patrick, for the
reply,
>
> -Ron
>
> At 04:36 AM 2002-12-04 +0900, you wrote:
> >Ron Lavoie wrote:
> >>Are there linux drivers for this USB device?
> >
> >At least one user has reported success with it
but we haven't heard
from
> >him for a while so we don't know the
exact
current status.
> >
> >If you are looking at USB but don't know which
one to go for the
maudio
> >quattro has been working pretty well fo
a while
now. Although there are
> >some problems caturing with current cvs
which
were not there two weeks
ago.
> >
> >The ALSA USB audio code is known to work but
many cards are still in
> >testing stage so you may have to do some
debugging if you buy a USB
device
> >at the moment. It's not so bad if you are have
the time to spare.
> >
> >
> >--
> >Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd.
> >For the discerning hardware connoisseur
> >Http://www.boosthardware.com
> >Http://www.djcj.org - The Linux Audio Users
guide
>
>========================================
> >
> >Being on stage with the band in front of crowds
shouting, "Get off!
No! We
> >want normal music!", I think that was more like
acting than anything
I've
> >ever done.
> >
> >Goldie, 8 Nov, 2002
> >The Scotsman
>
>
10:50 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] EMagic EMI 2|6, DJ
I'm going to need lots of luck! Yes, I'm running Debian, stable ;-).
I have only the vaguest idea what I'm doing or what you're suggesting. For
example, I have no idea how to add sources to my sources.list.
At 05:45 AM 2002-12-04 -0800, you wrote:
I'm assuming that you'running debian but I
might be
wrong. the newest TerminatorX requires GTK2 which if
you're running stable you don't have. I would put some
unstable sources in you'tr sources.list and then try
it. Itmay also help to upgrade to Gnome2, It's well
worth it. An alternative would be to go term's
website and grab an older source for GTK1.2. goodluck!
art
--- Ron Lavoie <ronlavoie(a)rogers.com> wrote:
I tried to apt-get install terminatorX (great,
resonant name), but I got
caught in dependency Hell. I'm running the 2.4
kernel.
At 02:09 PM 2002-12-03 -0800, you wrote:
__________________________________________________
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http://mailplus.yahoo.com There's two different pro-level programs,
terminatorX (which I wrote the
quicktoot for), and also Gdam, which is just as
good as PCDJ. Final
scratch pro is really expensive, while terminatorx
and gdam are gpl. Gdam
is quicker to load files and supports mutliple
soundcards (one for
playback and one for cueing). TerminatorX can use
cueing via a stereo
splitter and both also have their own beatmatching
mechanisms.
http://www.brianredfern.org
On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, Ron Lavoie wrote:
> Thanks Patrick:
>
> I actually own one now that I'm using under M$
W2k.
>
> I am interested in migrating my pro DJ setup to
Linux, at least as an
> alternate to PCDJ under M$. The other
issues
would be that there's no
> pro-level MP3 DJ package (that I know of for
Linux). The other challenge
> is setting up IEEE1394 external storage
support
under Linux.
>
> You may have heard of FinalScratch, but it seems
that it's still buggy,
> difficult to set up, and expensive. It also
does not permit storage of
> MP3s anywhere but the OS partition.
>
> I was delighted to discover this list. Thanks
again, Patrick, for the
reply,
>
> -Ron
>
> At 04:36 AM 2002-12-04 +0900, you wrote:
> >Ron Lavoie wrote:
> >>Are there linux drivers for this USB device?
> >
> >At least one user has reported success with it
but we haven't heard
from
> >him for a while so we don't know the
exact
current status.
> >
> >If you are looking at USB but don't know which
one to go for the
maudio
> >quattro has been working pretty well fo
a while
now. Although there are
> >some problems caturing with current cvs
which
were not there two weeks
ago.
> >
> >The ALSA USB audio code is known to work but
many cards are still in
> >testing stage so you may have to do some
debugging if you buy a USB
device
> >at the moment. It's not so bad if you are have
the time to spare.
> >
> >
> >--
> >Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd.
> >For the discerning hardware connoisseur
> >Http://www.boosthardware.com
> >Http://www.djcj.org - The Linux Audio Users
guide
>
>========================================
> >
> >Being on stage with the band in front of crowds
shouting, "Get off!
No! We
> >want normal music!", I think that was more like
acting than anything
I've
> >ever done.
> >
> >Goldie, 8 Nov, 2002
> >The Scotsman
>
>
11:13 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] EMagic EMI 2|6, DJ
Ok Let me explain a little about debian:
There are three different division in debian: stable
(woody), testing(sarge), and unstable(sid). There is a
file in /etc/apt called sources.list. This file
contains all of the sources from which you can
download programs/applications. Normally running out
of stable is the best bet. Applications are most often
the most stable, and things work really well. But the
way stable works is it takes a long time for new
software to get into stable. So we add sources for
testing or unstable to our sources.list, run the
command: apt-get update, and then we can access a lot
of new software that has been packaged for Debian, but
hasn't made it's way into stable. Now don't get too
scared, I've been running out of unstable for a while
now and haven't seen very many problems. If your using
a lot of music apps, it's almost necessary to run out
of unstable.
so how do you run out of unstable? Open
/etc/apt/sources.list in your favorite text editor (I
prefer vi, but you can use gedit, or kate, or some
other graphical editor). The lines you see are grouped
in 4. Copy one of those groups, paste it below and
change all of the "stable" to "unstable". run "apt-get
update" from a terminal. Now when you run 'apt-get
install terminatorX' it should download all of the
necessary packages and install them all for you. You
may want to upgrade gnome too. In that case run:
'apt-get install gnome gnome-extras terminatorX'.
The nice thing about debian, is that it is an easy way
out of dependency hell. In compiling from source
(which eventually you'll do a lot of) you can resolve
dependencies with a simple apt-get, and then get on
with your life. Debian rocks!
Art
--- Ron Lavoie <ronlavoie(a)rogers.com> wrote:
I'm going to need lots of luck! Yes, I'm
running
Debian, stable ;-).
I have only the vaguest idea what I'm doing or what
you're suggesting. For
example, I have no idea how to add sources to my
sources.list.
At 05:45 AM 2002-12-04 -0800, you wrote:
now.
__________________________________________________
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I'm assuming that you'running debian but I
might be
wrong. the newest TerminatorX requires GTK2 which
if
you're running stable you don't have. I
would put
some
unstable sources in you'tr sources.list and
then
try
it. Itmay also help to upgrade to Gnome2, It's
well
worth it. An alternative would be to go term's
website and grab an older source for GTK1.2.
goodluck!
art
--- Ron Lavoie <ronlavoie(a)rogers.com> wrote:
> I tried to apt-get install terminatorX (great,
> resonant name), but I got
> caught in dependency Hell. I'm running the 2.4
> kernel.
>
> At 02:09 PM 2002-12-03 -0800, you wrote:
> >There's two different pro-level programs,
> terminatorX (which I wrote the
> >quicktoot for), and also Gdam, which is just as
> good as PCDJ. Final
> >scratch pro is really expensive, while
terminatorx
> and gdam are gpl. Gdam
> >is quicker to load files and supports mutliple
> soundcards (one for
> >playback and one for cueing). TerminatorX can
use
> cueing via a stereo
> >splitter and both also have their own
beatmatching
> mechanisms.
> >
> >http://www.brianredfern.org
> >
> >On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, Ron Lavoie wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks Patrick:
> > >
> > > I actually own one now that I'm using under
M$
> W2k.
> > >
> > > I am interested in migrating my pro DJ setup
to
> Linux, at least as an
> > > alternate to PCDJ under M$. The other
issues
> would be that there's no
> > > pro-level MP3 DJ package (that I know of for
> Linux). The other challenge
> > > is setting up IEEE1394 external storage
support
> under Linux.
> > >
> > > You may have heard of FinalScratch, but it
seems
> that it's still buggy,
> > > difficult to set up, and expensive. It also
> does not permit storage of
> > > MP3s anywhere but the OS partition.
> > >
> > > I was delighted to discover this list.
Thanks
> again, Patrick, for the
> > reply,
> > >
> > > -Ron
> > >
> > > At 04:36 AM 2002-12-04 +0900, you wrote:
> > > >Ron Lavoie wrote:
> > > >>Are there linux drivers for this USB
device?
> > > >
> > > >At least one user has reported success with
it
> but we haven't heard from
> > > >him for a while so we don't know the exact
> current status.
> > > >
> > > >If you are looking at USB but don't know
which
> one to go for the maudio
> > > >quattro has been working pretty well fo a
while
> now. Although there are
> > > >some problems caturing with current cvs
which
> were not there two weeks
> > ago.
> > > >
> > > >The ALSA USB audio code is known to work
but
> many cards are still in
> > > >testing stage so you may have to do some
> debugging if you buy a USB
> > device
> > > >at the moment. It's not so bad if you are
have
> the time to spare.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >--
> > > >Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd.
> > > >For the discerning hardware connoisseur
> > > >Http://www.boosthardware.com
> > > >Http://www.djcj.org - The Linux Audio Users
> guide
> > > >========================================
> > > >
> > > >Being on stage with the band in front of
crowds
> shouting, "Get off!
> > No! We
> > > >want normal music!", I think that was more
like
acting
than anything I've
__________________________________________________
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> >
> >Goldie, 8 Nov, 2002
> >The Scotsman
>
>
3:33 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] EMagic EMI 2|6, DJ
You'll have an easier time of things when Demudi 0.9 comes out in late
December, its comes with all the juicy sound apps and preconfigured for
low latency sound work and is based on Debian. Debian Stable is really too
old for most audio apps, most of which are using GTK 2.0 at this point.
http://www.brianredfern.org
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Ron Lavoie wrote:
I'm going to need lots of luck! Yes, I'm
running Debian, stable ;-).
I have only the vaguest idea what I'm doing or what you're suggesting. For
example, I have no idea how to add sources to my sources.list.
At 05:45 AM 2002-12-04 -0800, you wrote:
I'm assuming that you'running debian but I
might be
wrong. the newest TerminatorX requires GTK2 which if
you're running stable you don't have. I would put some
unstable sources in you'tr sources.list and then try
it. Itmay also help to upgrade to Gnome2, It's well
worth it. An alternative would be to go term's
website and grab an older source for GTK1.2. goodluck!
art
--- Ron Lavoie <ronlavoie(a)rogers.com> wrote:
I tried to apt-get install terminatorX (great,
resonant name), but I got
caught in dependency Hell. I'm running the 2.4
kernel.
At 02:09 PM 2002-12-03 -0800, you wrote:
__________________________________________________
Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now.
http://mailplus.yahoo.com There's two different pro-level programs,
terminatorX (which I wrote the
quicktoot for), and also Gdam, which is just as
good as PCDJ. Final
scratch pro is really expensive, while terminatorx
and gdam are gpl. Gdam
is quicker to load files and supports mutliple
soundcards (one for
playback and one for cueing). TerminatorX can use
cueing via a stereo
splitter and both also have their own beatmatching
mechanisms.
http://www.brianredfern.org
On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, Ron Lavoie wrote:
> Thanks Patrick:
>
> I actually own one now that I'm using under M$
W2k.
>
> I am interested in migrating my pro DJ setup to
Linux, at least as an
> alternate to PCDJ under M$. The other
issues
would be that there's no
> pro-level MP3 DJ package (that I know of for
Linux). The other challenge
> is setting up IEEE1394 external storage
support
under Linux.
>
> You may have heard of FinalScratch, but it seems
that it's still buggy,
> difficult to set up, and expensive. It also
does not permit storage of
> MP3s anywhere but the OS partition.
>
> I was delighted to discover this list. Thanks
again, Patrick, for the
reply,
>
> -Ron
>
> At 04:36 AM 2002-12-04 +0900, you wrote:
> >Ron Lavoie wrote:
> >>Are there linux drivers for this USB device?
> >
> >At least one user has reported success with it
but we haven't heard
from
> >him for a while so we don't know the
exact
current status.
> >
> >If you are looking at USB but don't know which
one to go for the
maudio
> >quattro has been working pretty well fo
a while
now. Although there are
> >some problems caturing with current cvs
which
were not there two weeks
ago.
> >
> >The ALSA USB audio code is known to work but
many cards are still in
> >testing stage so you may have to do some
debugging if you buy a USB
device
> >at the moment. It's not so bad if you are have
the time to spare.
> >
> >
> >--
> >Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd.
> >For the discerning hardware connoisseur
> >Http://www.boosthardware.com
> >Http://www.djcj.org - The Linux Audio Users
guide
>
>========================================
> >
> >Being on stage with the band in front of crowds
shouting, "Get off!
No! We
> >want normal music!", I think that was more like
acting than anything
I've
> >ever done.
> >
> >Goldie, 8 Nov, 2002
> >The Scotsman
>
>
27 Nov
27 Nov
1:14 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] fx rack and apps
On Thu, Nov 28, 2002 at 01:03:28 +0900, Patrick Shirkey wrote:
What applications have people used that can provide
rock solid fx
processing in realtime through the line input (not an internally created
stream)?
ecasound/ecamegapedal is good.
Theres also jackrack, but last time I tried it didn;t work for me (a
configuration error on my part I think).
If you like the DIY approach then pd.
- Steve
28 Nov
28 Nov
5:34 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] fx rack and apps
Hi,
Patrick Shirkey hat gesagt: // Patrick Shirkey wrote:
What applications have people used that can provide
rock solid fx
processing in realtime through the line input (not an internally created
stream)?
I would really like to get one of my machines to be an fx rack.
I find PD very rock solid (except the bleeding edge CVS version
devel_0.36, which is currently a bit broken). You can use all LADSPA
plugins, make your own GUIs for it, use it with MIDI controllers or
even control PD through a network connection.
ciao
--
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__
26 Nov
26 Nov
12:41 p.m.
On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 04:48:06PM +0100, roussel jerome wrote:
Hello,
I am looking for a way to record my minidisc using the optical output of
my Minidisc Deck. My soundcard (a CMI8738 ) has got an optical input
so it should be easy ;-) .
I do exactly that.
My problem is that I don't know how to record the
sound from the optical
input so that there is a new file created for each track an my MD.
I know that there is a signal to say: this is the end of the track. So
it should be possible to detect this sort of "End Of Track" but I don't
know if it must be in hardware or in software.
I think you'll find that sound cards don't process the bits that carry
those signals, just as they don't take any notice of the SCMS (copy
protection bits) either.
I just start and stop each track manually, on both the PC and the MD
deck. After that I top and tail the WAV file with Audacity, which is no
problem as I need to do that anyway to get exactly the right lengths of
silence at the beginning and end of the track.
If it is possible to do this in software, do you know
a software
recorder that records from the optical (or digital) input (with alsa)
and that creates a new file for each track?
I'd be interested to know if there's a way of doing this. Maybe a
recording program with a level sensing automatic track detection, like
many MD recorders can do? (i.e. guess tracks by the silences between)
--
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