3 Nov
2008
3 Nov
'08
2:40 p.m.
Hi list,
After my little Album is sold out I want to give it away for free now. I will choose one
of the CC licenses I think so that people can share,download, listen, play-back (even
commercial) to it unlimited and free of charge but that they are prohibited to change,
remix, rent or sell it.
Now I want to share with a big audience so do you know any sites and places where I can
share under the terms I've mentioned before?
Nils
3 Nov
3 Nov
2:46 p.m.
After my little Album is sold out I want to give it
away for free now. I will
choose one of the CC licenses I think so that people can share,download,
listen, play-back (even commercial) to it unlimited and free of charge but that
they are prohibited to change, remix, rent or sell it.
Now I want to share with a big audience so do you know any sites and places
where I can share under the terms I've mentioned before?
http://jamendo.com ?
ciao,
Marco
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2:59 p.m.
On Mon, 2008-11-03 at 19:40 +0100, Nils Gey wrote:
Hi list,
After my little Album is sold out I want to give it away for free now.
I will choose one of the CC licenses I think so that people can share,
download, listen, play-back (even commercial) to it unlimited and free
of charge but that they are prohibited to change, remix, rent or sell
it.
Very nice! However, I don't think you can express an allowance for
playback in a commercial setting but at the same time disallow selling
or renting with a CC license.
Please consider allowing derivatives/remixes. People showing enough
interest to work with your material should be seen as a good sign ;)
Now I want to share with a big audience so do you know
any sites and
places where I can share under the terms I've mentioned before?
I myself use
http://www.archive.org/details/audio
It's open for everyone.
Then there are
http://www.jamendo.com
http://magnatune.com
http://www.dmusic.com
http://www.opsound.org/
http://www.soundclick.com/
but I don't know the conditions for each one.
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3:40 p.m.
On Monday 03 November 2008 13:40:22 Nils Gey wrote:
Hi list,
After my little Album is sold out I want to give it away for free now. I
will choose one of the CC licenses I think so that people can
share,download, listen, play-back (even commercial) to it unlimited and
free of charge but that they are prohibited to change, remix, rent or sell
it.
Now I want to share with a big audience so do you know any sites and places
where I can share under the terms I've mentioned before?
Your terms are confusing. I would think sharing something in a commercial
fashion is close enough to either renting or selling it that I can't figure
out exactly what you are getting at.
If you can satisfy yourself with cc BY-SA as a license, then the internet
archive will host for you.
Nils
all the best,
drew
4:03 p.m.
I meant radio-broadcasting" or disco/festival-playback with "commercial".
I just don't want that people take my songs and sell them on their own CDs or in
Internet stores.
On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 14:39:59 -0500
drew Roberts <zotz(a)100jamz.com> wrote:
On Monday 03 November 2008 13:40:22 Nils Gey wrote:
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Nils Gey <ilfhi(a)gmx.de>
Hi list,
After my little Album is sold out I want to give it away for free now. I
will choose one of the CC licenses I think so that people can
share,download, listen, play-back (even commercial) to it unlimited and
free of charge but that they are prohibited to change, remix, rent or sell
it.
Now I want to share with a big audience so do you know any sites and places
where I can share under the terms I've mentioned before?
Your terms are confusing. I would think sharing something in a commercial
fashion is close enough to either renting or selling it that I can't figure
out exactly what you are getting at.
If you can satisfy yourself with cc BY-SA as a license, then the internet
archive will host for you.
Nils
all the best,
drew
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5:02 p.m.
On Monday 03 November 2008 15:03:17 Nils Gey wrote:
I meant radio-broadcasting" or
disco/festival-playback with "commercial".
I still don't think I get it. When you say with "commercial", do you mean in
a
commercial setting? One where they are earning money as a result of playing
your music and perhaps that of others?
If that is the case, you do realise that that is almost no different than
allowing them to sell it.
I just don't want that people take my songs and
sell them on their own CDs
or in Internet stores.
In any case, I know of no license that fits this bill so you will likely need
a custom crafted license and a place that is willing to host such for you. Of
course, someone else may know of such a license.
drew
On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 14:39:59 -0500
drew Roberts <zotz(a)100jamz.com> wrote:
> On Monday 03 November 2008 13:40:22 Nils Gey wrote:
> > Hi list,
> >
> > After my little Album is sold out I want to give it away for free now.
> > I will choose one of the CC licenses I think so that people can
> > share,download, listen, play-back (even commercial) to it unlimited and
> > free of charge but that they are prohibited to change, remix, rent or
> > sell it.
> >
> > Now I want to share with a big audience so do you know any sites and
> > places where I can share under the terms I've mentioned before?
>
> Your terms are confusing. I would think sharing something in a commercial
> fashion is close enough to either renting or selling it that I can't
> figure out exactly what you are getting at.
>
> If you can satisfy yourself with cc BY-SA as a license, then the internet
> archive will host for you.
>
> > Nils
>
> all the best,
>
> drew
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5:08 p.m.
Ok.
You see, I'm still not sure about the license and I'm glad there is a mailinglist
to discuss such things. Maybe I will just forbid commercial at all.
Sharing is one thing but giving the music away so that others can make money with it is
another. Or maybe I do it like the GPL and whoever sells my music is forced to announce
that you can download it for free :) (just a joke)
Nils
On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 16:02:20 -0500
drew Roberts <zotz(a)100jamz.com> wrote:
On Monday 03 November 2008 15:03:17 Nils Gey wrote:
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Nils Gey <ilfhi(a)gmx.de>
I meant radio-broadcasting" or
disco/festival-playback with "commercial".
I still don't think I get it. When you say with "commercial", do you mean
in a
commercial setting? One where they are earning money as a result of playing
your music and perhaps that of others?
If that is the case, you do realise that that is almost no different than
allowing them to sell it.
I just don't want that people take my songs
and sell them on their own CDs
or in Internet stores.
In any case, I know of no license that fits this bill so you will likely need
a custom crafted license and a place that is willing to host such for you. Of
course, someone else may know of such a license.
drew
On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 14:39:59 -0500
drew Roberts <zotz(a)100jamz.com> wrote:
> On Monday 03 November 2008 13:40:22 Nils Gey wrote:
> > Hi list,
> >
> > After my little Album is sold out I want to give it away for free now.
> > I will choose one of the CC licenses I think so that people can
> > share,download, listen, play-back (even commercial) to it unlimited and
> > free of charge but that they are prohibited to change, remix, rent or
> > sell it.
> >
> > Now I want to share with a big audience so do you know any sites and
> > places where I can share under the terms I've mentioned before?
>
> Your terms are confusing. I would think sharing something in a commercial
> fashion is close enough to either renting or selling it that I can't
> figure out exactly what you are getting at.
>
> If you can satisfy yourself with cc BY-SA as a license, then the internet
> archive will host for you.
>
> > Nils
>
> all the best,
>
> drew
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5:47 p.m.
On Monday 03 November 2008 16:08:05 Nils Gey wrote:
Ok.
You see, I'm still not sure about the license and I'm glad there is a
mailinglist to discuss such things. Maybe I will just forbid commercial at
all. Sharing is one thing but giving the music away so that others can make
money with it is another. Or maybe I do it like the GPL and whoever sells
my music is forced to announce that you can download it for free :) (just a
joke)
Actually, that is about what I do. The license I use is one of the cc BY-SA
ones. A lot like the GPL but for music and other art, etc.
I wish people would start trying to make money selling my stuff. It would be
nice if they shared some of the wealth if they made a bunch but right now,
moving my stuff would be a nice start.
I do have some ideas I am documenting on how to make something if you want to
while using Free Licenses for various artworks. Here is a link:
http://packet-in.org/wiki/index.php?title=Income
In any case, here are some of my lyrics and bits of lyrics:
http://packet-in.org/repo/user_drewRoberts/drewRoberts_newlyrics.txt
You are free to try and make something money wise from them so long as you
follow the license terms.
Nils
all the best,
drew
On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 16:02:20 -0500
drew Roberts <zotz(a)100jamz.com> wrote:
> On Monday 03 November 2008 15:03:17 Nils Gey wrote:
> > I meant radio-broadcasting" or disco/festival-playback with
> > "commercial".
>
> I still don't think I get it. When you say with "commercial", do you
mean
> in a commercial setting? One where they are earning money as a result of
> playing your music and perhaps that of others?
>
> If that is the case, you do realise that that is almost no different than
> allowing them to sell it.
>
> > I just don't want that people take my songs and sell them on their own
> > CDs or in Internet stores.
>
> In any case, I know of no license that fits this bill so you will likely
> need a custom crafted license and a place that is willing to host such
> for you. Of course, someone else may know of such a license.
>
> drew
>
> > On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 14:39:59 -0500
> >
> > drew Roberts <zotz(a)100jamz.com> wrote:
> > > On Monday 03 November 2008 13:40:22 Nils Gey wrote:
> > > > Hi list,
> > > >
> > > > After my little Album is sold out I want to give it away for free
> > > > now. I will choose one of the CC licenses I think so that people
> > > > can share,download, listen, play-back (even commercial) to it
> > > > unlimited and free of charge but that they are prohibited to
> > > > change, remix, rent or sell it.
> > > >
> > > > Now I want to share with a big audience so do you know any sites
> > > > and places where I can share under the terms I've mentioned
before?
> > >
> > > Your terms are confusing. I would think sharing something in a
> > > commercial fashion is close enough to either renting or selling it
> > > that I can't figure out exactly what you are getting at.
> > >
> > > If you can satisfy yourself with cc BY-SA as a license, then the
> > > internet archive will host for you.
> > >
> > > > Nils
> > >
> > > all the best,
> > >
> > > drew
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Linux-audio-user mailing list
> > > Linux-audio-user(a)lists.linuxaudio.org
> > > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>
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6:08 p.m.
On Mon, Nov 03, 2008 at 10:08:05PM +0100, Nils Gey wrote:
Sharing is one thing but giving the music away so that
others can make money with it is another. Or maybe I do it like the GPL and whoever sells
my music is forced to announce that you can download it for free :) (just a joke)
The Creative Commons "ShareAlike" option does that, no joke :-)
"You must include a copy of, or the Uniform Resource Identifier (URI)
for, this License with every copy of the Work You Distribute or
Publicly Perform. You may not offer or impose any terms on the Work
that restrict the terms of this License or the ability of the
recipient of the Work to exercise the rights granted to that
recipient under the terms of the License."
If you really want to avoid that others make money with it, then you
want the "NonCommercial" option. AFAIK this would also forbid all
other commercial usages (like placing your music in a blog that
has google ads).
6:38 p.m.
Den Monday 03 November 2008 23.08.23 skrev Roberto Gordo Saez:
On Mon, Nov 03, 2008 at 10:08:05PM +0100, Nils Gey
wrote:
Nils,
Have a look at this site. It might help clear things up a bit.
http://creativecommons.org/about/licenses
Others can make money of your material but not without asking you for
permission first.
/bengan
Sharing is one thing but giving the music away so
that others can make
money with it is another. Or maybe I do it like the GPL and whoever sells
my music is forced to announce that you can download it for free :) (just
a joke)
The Creative Commons "ShareAlike" option does that, no joke :-)
"You must include a copy of, or the Uniform Resource Identifier (URI)
for, this License with every copy of the Work You Distribute or
Publicly Perform. You may not offer or impose any terms on the Work
that restrict the terms of this License or the ability of the
recipient of the Work to exercise the rights granted to that
recipient under the terms of the License."
If you really want to avoid that others make money with it, then you
want the "NonCommercial" option. AFAIK this would also forbid all
other commercial usages (like placing your music in a blog that
has google ads). 
6:42 p.m.
Quoth Roberto Gordo Saez at 2008-11-04 08:38...
If you really want to avoid that others make money
with it, then you
want the "NonCommercial" option. AFAIK this would also forbid all
other commercial usages (like placing your music in a blog that
has google ads).
I can fully understand why people automatically say "no commercial." I
think that it's an ingrained reaction that comes from an ancient
business culture that everything that we make must be sold, not given
away; this is because we just can't comprehend that there is any way we
could make money otherwise.
Giving things away but not wanting commercial use comes down to this:
not wanting someone else to make money when we are not.
However, there is a new business culture arising - especially in regards
to software - where we don't charge for things, nor do we prevent others
from doing so. So how do we still make money? We do so by selling
services. I'll give you this piece of software for free, then you can
pay me $5000 a year to look after it for you.
I'm not entirely sure how this would work in the music industry, but
that's how it works with software. I see no reason why something
similar couldn't work with music.
The one thing that is constant with the "giving things away" business
model - irrespective of what we are giving away is this: publicity.
Attribution is the key to the whole thing. Whilst we may not receive a
cent/penny/centi-euro when someone else packages and sells on our
music/software/etc., what we ARE getting is exposure. The more people
that get to see/hear/etc what we have done, the greater the chance that
people will start saying "this is great, we want more of this!" And
that's when - we hope - they will come to us and we will have an
opportunity to sell them something. That something may be a contract to
customise our piece of software, it may be a record deal.
If, however, we have placed restrictive licensing terms (like no
commercial) on our work, it may be passed over by those who could
otherwise give our careers a boost, never see the light of day, and
never make us any money anyway.
Hope this makes sense!
Cheers
M
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7:39 p.m.
On Tue, 04 Nov 2008 09:12:42 +1030
Matthew Smith <matt(a)smiffytech.com> wrote:
<snip>
Attribution is the key to the whole thing. Whilst we
may not receive a
cent/penny/centi-euro when someone else packages and sells on our
music/software/etc., what we ARE getting is exposure. The more people
that get to see/hear/etc what we have done, the greater the chance that
people will start saying "this is great, we want more of this!" And
that's when - we hope - they will come to us and we will have an
opportunity to sell them something. That something may be a contract to
customise our piece of software, it may be a record deal.
If, however, we have placed restrictive licensing terms (like no
commercial) on our work, it may be passed over by those who could
otherwise give our careers a boost, never see the light of day, and
never make us any money anyway.
Hope this makes sense!
Cheers
M
What a lot of people forget is that CC is not restrictive. There is
nothing stopping you from having as many *other* license arrangements
as you like with individuals or corporations.
All my work is initially distributed in the form of medium quality oggs
or mp3s, licensed as BY, NC, SA, however I have agreed different
arrangements with several people that enables them limited commercial
rights.
It is taking time for people and organisations to appreciate CC
licenses, but they are slowly coming round.
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4:09 p.m.
On Mon, Nov 03, 2008 at 07:40:22PM +0100, Nils Gey wrote:
Hi list,
After my little Album is sold out I want to give it away for free now. I will choose one
of the CC licenses I think so that people can share,download, listen, play-back (even
commercial) to it unlimited and free of charge but that they are prohibited to change,
remix, rent or sell it.
Are you sure you want to forbid remixes? Things like mixing the
music in a home-made youtube video would be forbidden if you
choose the "No Derivative" option. Derivatives can make a lot of
fans. See the "Brad Sucks" case for a good example:
http://www.bradsucks.net/
Now I want to share with a big audience so do you know
any sites and places where I can share under the terms I've mentioned before?
Jamendo (jamendo.com) is my favorite sharing site for music under
CC licenses. In addition to the free hosting for your music, jamendo
shares its ads revenues with authors; so if your album becomes very
popular, you may get some money through the revenue sharing program
and through donations made by users (well, I would not expect to get
a lot of money... but I think it is a nice way of supporting authors
who share their music anyways).
6 Nov
6 Nov
9:37 p.m.
New subject: My Album "Laute Minne macht dich hinne" releasd under CC by-sa (was:: place to share and give away music?)
Hi folks,
thanks for the discussion a few days ago. I made up my mind and have chosen a CC by-sa
license for my Album "Laute Minne macht dich hinne" (try to translate this).
You can download it for free @ http://www.wargsang.de . Website avaible in English and
German. Maybe you leave a guestbook comment :)
Nils
On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:40:22 +0100
Nils Gey <ilfhi(a)gmx.de> wrote:
Hi list,
After my little Album is sold out I want to give it away for free now. I will choose one
of the CC licenses I think so that people can share,download, listen, play-back (even
commercial) to it unlimited and free of charge but that they are prohibited to change,
remix, rent or sell it.
Now I want to share with a big audience so do you know any sites and places where I can
share under the terms I've mentioned before?
Nils
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25 Dec
25 Dec
11:29 a.m.
New subject: My Album "Laute Minne macht dich hinne" releasd under CC by-sa
Nils Gey wrote:
Hi folks,
thanks for the discussion a few days ago. I made up my mind and have
chosen a CC by-sa license for my Album "Laute Minne macht dich hinne"
(try to translate this).
You can download it for free @ http://www.wargsang.de . Website
avaible in English and German. Maybe you leave a guestbook comment :)
hey nils! i just downloaded your EP, and i like it! did you record this
with ardour?
regards,
jörn
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11 Nov
11 Nov
7:55 a.m.
New subject: My Album "Laute Minne macht dich hinne" released under CC by-sa
Hi folks,
I thought I posted this to the list but it never showed up. Guess I made something wrong.
thanks for the discussion a few days ago. I made up my mind and have chosen a CC by-sa
license for my Album "Laute Minne macht dich hinne" (try to translate this).
You can download it for free @ http://www.wargsang.de . Website avaible in English and
German. Maybe you leave a guestbook comment :)
Nils
On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:40:22 +0100
Nils Gey <ilfhi(a)gmx.de> wrote:
Hi list,
After my little Album is sold out I want to give it away for free now. I will choose one
of the CC licenses I think so that people can share,download, listen, play-back (even
commercial) to it unlimited and free of charge but that they are prohibited to change,
remix, rent or sell it.
Now I want to share with a big audience so do you know any sites and places where I can
share under the terms I've mentioned before?
Nils
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