30 Mar
2013
30 Mar
'13
11:44 a.m.
On 03/30/2013 09:01 AM, Simon Wise wrote:
On 30/03/13 05:35, rosea.grammostola wrote:
The Bitstream 3X has two modes, which should prevent undesirable jumps:
Jump mode:
allows the instantaneous sending of MIDI data no matter what position
the control is in at the time of the change.
This mode could provoke undesirable jumps in the values when the user
uses the different groups of the Bitstream 3X, the physical value of the
control may not correspond to the value of the same control in a new group.
Hook mode:
allows the user to avoid any undesirable jump in values: After any group
change, if the physical position of the analog control doesn’t
correspond to the value of the same control in the newly
selected group, the MIDI data is not sent while the physical position
and the value are different. Thus, no jump in value is obtained.
The LCD screen of the Bitstream 3X indicates the direction to move the
control to finally generate the MIDI.
They want to make the firmware and software open source btw (all though
that thread may be old, it's still their plan to do so):
http://www.waveidea.com/en/support/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1001&…
\r
The bcr2000 has rotary encoders with LEDS.
The bitstream 3X does have potentiometers and it's possible to set the
3X in
such a way that the know has to pass the value of an control in a certain
software, before it gets 'on'.
I find the need to move the knob (or a fader) to pick-up the value as above
very clumsy in many circumstances ... especially when fine tuning
something it is difficult to make the first small adjustment, and
requires finding the target
value first from the computer screen etc. Its OK if you have enough
knobs so that you can control most things you want to without switching. 
30 Mar
30 Mar
3:53 p.m.
New subject: 'Modular' midi controller for keyboard
On Sat, March 30, 2013 3:43 am, rosea.grammostola wrote:
On 03/30/2013 09:01 AM, Simon Wise wrote:
This has been a great thread. I think if I was using a control box as
drawbars, I would want sliders and not worry about jump from changing
presets. I would work in one of two modes in that case, hands off with
persets and manual control... or throw money at it and use motors :)
For most other kinds of settings, rotary encoders make the most sense...
though for me cost wise, a touchscreen with midi over wireless is probably
what I would do as a notepad seems less expensive than a box with knobs.
The sensitivity can be set so that 1" of finger movement can be 10% full
range or 100% full range (maybe even on the fly). First touch anywhere on
the control would always be accepted as where ever the control already is
and so long as your finger is still touching the screen it doesn't matter
if the finger leaves the area of the control being tweaked.
In my case, I am thinking in terms of a studio remote control. Being able
to tweak input levels and start/stop transport and arm/disarm record. Ya
the computer is in the same room, but it is in a bad place to be sitting
in front of and performing at the same time, a bad place for mic setup and
a bad place acoustically for sound pickup. Right now I leave 5-10 seconds
of dead space at the beginning of a track to give me time to get from the
computer to my performing position and that detracts from my performance.
walk over, get guitar, don headset, put myself back in artistic mode, get
myself back into speed of the song, etc.
--
Len Ovens
www.OvenWerks.net
On 30/03/13 05:35, rosea.grammostola wrote:
The Bitstream 3X has two modes, which should prevent undesirable jumps:
Jump mode:
allows the instantaneous sending of MIDI data no matter what position
the control is in at the time of the change.
This mode could provoke undesirable jumps in the values when the user
uses the different groups of the Bitstream 3X, the physical value of the
control may not correspond to the value of the same control in a new
group.
Hook mode:
allows the user to avoid any undesirable jump in values: After any group
change, if the physical position of the analog control doesnt
correspond to the value of the same control in the newly
selected group, the MIDI data is not sent while the physical position
and the value are different. Thus, no jump in value is obtained.
The LCD screen of the Bitstream 3X indicates the direction to move the
control to finally generate the MIDI.
The bcr2000 has rotary encoders with LEDS.
The bitstream 3X does have potentiometers and it's possible to set the
3X in
such a way that the know has to pass the value of an control in a
certain
software, before it gets 'on'.
I find the need to move the knob (or a fader) to pick-up the value as
above
very clumsy in many circumstances ... especially when fine tuning
something it is difficult to make the first small adjustment, and
requires finding the target
value first from the computer screen etc. Its OK if you have enough
knobs so that you can control most things you want to without switching.
16 Apr
16 Apr
10:58 a.m.
New subject: 'Modular' midi controller for keyboard
On 03/30/2013 03:53 PM, Len Ovens wrote:
On Sat, March 30, 2013 3:43 am, rosea.grammostola wrote:
Ok the Bitstream 3X is too expensive for me atm and I'm not sure enough
about what I want yet. So I did end up buying a snd hand nanokontrol v1.
Now I can compare the difference between encoders and potentiometers
first :)
Thanks all.
\r
On 03/30/2013 09:01 AM, Simon Wise wrote:
This has been a great thread. I think if I was using a control box as
drawbars, I would want sliders and not worry about jump from changing
presets. I would work in one of two modes in that case, hands off with
persets and manual control... or throw money at it and use motors :)
For most other kinds of settings, rotary encoders make the most sense...
though for me cost wise, a touchscreen with midi over wireless is probably
what I would do as a notepad seems less expensive than a box with knobs.
The sensitivity can be set so that 1" of finger movement can be 10% full
range or 100% full range (maybe even on the fly). First touch anywhere on
the control would always be accepted as where ever the control already is
and so long as your finger is still touching the screen it doesn't matter
if the finger leaves the area of the control being tweaked.
In my case, I am thinking in terms of a studio remote control. Being able
to tweak input levels and start/stop transport and arm/disarm record. Ya
the computer is in the same room, but it is in a bad place to be sitting
in front of and performing at the same time, a bad place for mic setup and
a bad place acoustically for sound pickup. Right now I leave 5-10 seconds
of dead space at the beginning of a track to give me time to get from the
computer to my performing position and that detracts from my performance.
walk over, get guitar, don headset, put myself back in artistic mode, get
myself back into speed of the song, etc.
On 30/03/13 05:35, rosea.grammostola wrote:
The Bitstream 3X has two modes, which should prevent undesirable jumps:
Jump mode:
allows the instantaneous sending of MIDI data no matter what position
the control is in at the time of the change.
This mode could provoke undesirable jumps in the values when the user
uses the different groups of the Bitstream 3X, the physical value of the
control may not correspond to the value of the same control in a new
group.
Hook mode:
allows the user to avoid any undesirable jump in values: After any group
change, if the physical position of the analog control doesn’t
correspond to the value of the same control in the newly
selected group, the MIDI data is not sent while the physical position
and the value are different. Thus, no jump in value is obtained.
The LCD screen of the Bitstream 3X indicates the direction to move the
control to finally generate the MIDI.
The bcr2000 has rotary encoders with LEDS.
The bitstream 3X does have potentiometers and it's possible to set the
3X in
such a way that the know has to pass the value of an control in a
certain
software, before it gets 'on'.
I find the need to move the knob (or a fader) to pick-up the value as
above
very clumsy in many circumstances ... especially when fine tuning
something it is difficult to make the first small adjustment, and
requires finding the target
value first from the computer screen etc. Its OK if you have enough
knobs so that you can control most things you want to without switching.
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