24 Dec
2009
24 Dec
'09
5:43 a.m.
Hi!
just to make sure that nobody gets bored over the Christmas holidays we
decided to release the first beta version of hydrogen 0.9.5 as a special
gift for everyone.. This release is meant as a first "public" preview
and mainly for testing purposes. Here's a quick list of some new features:
- non destructive sample editor ( requires rubberband-cli for advanced
features )
- a timeline
- instrument midi out
- better support for non-ascii filenames ( changed XML-Parser from
TinyXML to QtXml )
- piano-roll editor
- export to ogg, aiff and flac
- commandline version of hydrogen
The sourcecode and binaries (for Ubuntu 8.04 / 9.04 / 9.10 and Debian
Sid) are available here: https://sourceforge.net/projects/hydrogen/files/.
Please report crashes and other glitches here:
http://www.assembla.com/spaces/hydrogen/tickets
Merry Christmas to all of you and enjoy your holidays!
- Sebastian
24 Dec
24 Dec
6:08 a.m.
Il giorno Thu, 24 Dec 2009 10:43:52 +0100
Sebastian Moors <mauser(a)smoors.de> ha scritto:
Hi!
just to make sure that nobody gets bored over the Christmas holidays
we decided to release the first beta version of hydrogen 0.9.5 as a
special gift for everyone.. This release is meant as a first "public"
preview and mainly for testing purposes. Here's a quick list of some
new features:
- non destructive sample editor ( requires rubberband-cli for advanced
features )
- a timeline
- instrument midi out
- better support for non-ascii filenames ( changed XML-Parser from
TinyXML to QtXml )
- piano-roll editor
- export to ogg, aiff and flac
- commandline version of hydrogen
The sourcecode and binaries (for Ubuntu 8.04 / 9.04 / 9.10 and Debian
Sid) are available here:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/hydrogen/files/. Please report
crashes and other glitches here:
http://www.assembla.com/spaces/hydrogen/tickets
i have this error when i try to compile:
scons libarchive=1 prefix=/usr lash=1
scons: Reading SConscript files ...
Checking for C header file sndfile.h... (cached) yes
Checking for C header file alsa/asoundlib.h... (cached) yes
Checking for C header file jack/jack.h... (cached) yes
Checking for lash-1.0 >= 0.5.0... yes
Checking for C header file archive.h... yes
Checking for C header file lrdf.h... (cached) yes
Checking for C header file FLAC/all.h... (cached) yes
=================================================================
Hydrogen build script
Revision: esportato
Platform: linux2
Release build
Prefix: /usr
Destdir:
=================================================================
Feature Overview:
lash: enabled
oss: enabled
alsa: enabled
jack: enabled
libarchive: enabled
portaudio: disabled
portmidi: disabled
=================================================================
scons: done reading SConscript files.
scons: Building targets ...
g++ -o gui/src/PatternEditor/DrumPatternEditor.o -c -O3 -fomit-frame-pointer
-funroll-loops -DOSS_SUPPORT -DALSA_SUPPORT -DJACK_SUPPORT -DLASH_SUPPORT -DLRDF_SUPPORT
-DFLAC_SUPPORT -DLADSPA_SUPPORT -DLIBARCHIVE_SUPPORT -DQT_CORE_LIB -DQT_GUI_LIB
-DQT_NETWORK_LIB -DQT_XML_LIB -DQT_SHARED -I. -Igui/src -I3rdparty/install/include
-Ilibs/hydrogen/include -Igui/src/UI -I/usr/include/qt4 -I/usr/include/qt4/QtCore
-I/usr/include/qt4/QtGui -I/usr/include/qt4/QtNetwork -I/usr/include/qt4/QtXml
-I/usr/include/lash-1.0 -I/usr/include/alsa gui/src/PatternEditor/DrumPatternEditor.cpp
/usr/share/qt3/bin/uic -o gui/src/UI/ui_PatternFillDialog_UI.h
gui/src/UI/PatternFillDialog_UI.ui
uic: File generated with too recent version of Qt Designer (4.0 vs. 3.3.8b)
scons: *** [gui/src/UI/ui_PatternFillDialog_UI.h] Error 1
scons: building terminated because of errors.
Merry Christmas to all of you and enjoy your
holidays!
- Sebastian
merry christmas.
ciao
Luigi
--
Luigi
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Io sono
lo sbaglio, il momento di confusione, l'inopportuno
Non sono niente.
Non sarò mai niente.
Non posso volere d'essere niente.
A parte questo, ho in me tutti i sogni del mondo.
(F. Pessoa)
6:11 a.m.
On 12/24/2009 09:08 PM, luigi curzi wrote:
Il giorno Thu, 24 Dec 2009 10:43:52 +0100
Sebastian Moors<mauser(a)smoors.de> ha scritto:
export QT_DIR=/usr/lib/qt4
or on 64bit
export QT_DIR=/usr/lib64/qt4
Cheers.
Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware Ltd
Hi!
just to make sure that nobody gets bored over the Christmas holidays
we decided to release the first beta version of hydrogen 0.9.5 as a
special gift for everyone.. This release is meant as a first "public"
preview and mainly for testing purposes. Here's a quick list of some
new features:
- non destructive sample editor ( requires rubberband-cli for advanced
features )
- a timeline
- instrument midi out
- better support for non-ascii filenames ( changed XML-Parser from
TinyXML to QtXml )
- piano-roll editor
- export to ogg, aiff and flac
- commandline version of hydrogen
The sourcecode and binaries (for Ubuntu 8.04 / 9.04 / 9.10 and Debian
Sid) are available here:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/hydrogen/files/. Please report
crashes and other glitches here:
http://www.assembla.com/spaces/hydrogen/tickets
i have this error when i try to compile:
scons libarchive=1 prefix=/usr lash=1
scons: Reading SConscript files ...
Checking for C header file sndfile.h... (cached) yes
Checking for C header file alsa/asoundlib.h... (cached) yes
Checking for C header file jack/jack.h... (cached) yes
Checking for lash-1.0>= 0.5.0... yes
Checking for C header file archive.h... yes
Checking for C header file lrdf.h... (cached) yes
Checking for C header file FLAC/all.h... (cached) yes
=================================================================
Hydrogen build script
Revision: esportato
Platform: linux2
Release build
Prefix: /usr
Destdir:
=================================================================
Feature Overview:
lash: enabled
oss: enabled
alsa: enabled
jack: enabled
libarchive: enabled
portaudio: disabled
portmidi: disabled
=================================================================
scons: done reading SConscript files.
scons: Building targets ...
g++ -o gui/src/PatternEditor/DrumPatternEditor.o -c -O3 -fomit-frame-pointer
-funroll-loops -DOSS_SUPPORT -DALSA_SUPPORT -DJACK_SUPPORT -DLASH_SUPPORT -DLRDF_SUPPORT
-DFLAC_SUPPORT -DLADSPA_SUPPORT -DLIBARCHIVE_SUPPORT -DQT_CORE_LIB -DQT_GUI_LIB
-DQT_NETWORK_LIB -DQT_XML_LIB -DQT_SHARED -I. -Igui/src -I3rdparty/install/include
-Ilibs/hydrogen/include -Igui/src/UI -I/usr/include/qt4 -I/usr/include/qt4/QtCore
-I/usr/include/qt4/QtGui -I/usr/include/qt4/QtNetwork -I/usr/include/qt4/QtXml
-I/usr/include/lash-1.0 -I/usr/include/alsa gui/src/PatternEditor/DrumPatternEditor.cpp
/usr/share/qt3/bin/uic -o gui/src/UI/ui_PatternFillDialog_UI.h
gui/src/UI/PatternFillDialog_UI.ui
uic: File generated with too recent version of Qt Designer (4.0 vs. 3.3.8b)
scons: *** [gui/src/UI/ui_PatternFillDialog_UI.h] Error 1
scons: building terminated because of errors.
7:36 a.m.
Il giorno Thu, 24 Dec 2009 21:09:52 +1100
Patrick Shirkey <pshirkey(a)boosthardware.com> ha scritto:
On 12/24/2009 09:08 PM, luigi curzi wrote:
same error:
scons: done reading SConscript files.
scons: Building targets ...
Retrieved `gui/src/PatternEditor/DrumPatternEditor.o' from cache
/usr/share/qt3/bin/uic -o gui/src/UI/ui_PatternFillDialog_UI.h
gui/src/UI/PatternFillDialog_UI.ui
uic: File generated with too recent version of Qt Designer (4.0 vs. 3.3.8b)
scons: *** [gui/src/UI/ui_PatternFillDialog_UI.h] Error 1
scons: building terminated because of errors.
Il giorno Thu, 24 Dec 2009 10:43:52 +0100
Sebastian Moors<mauser(a)smoors.de> ha scritto:
export QT_DIR=/usr/lib/qt4
or on 64bit
export QT_DIR=/usr/lib64/qt4
Hi!
just to make sure that nobody gets bored over the Christmas
holidays we decided to release the first beta version of hydrogen
0.9.5 as a special gift for everyone.. This release is meant as a
first "public" preview and mainly for testing purposes. Here's a
quick list of some new features:
- non destructive sample editor ( requires rubberband-cli for
advanced features )
- a timeline
- instrument midi out
- better support for non-ascii filenames ( changed XML-Parser from
TinyXML to QtXml )
- piano-roll editor
- export to ogg, aiff and flac
- commandline version of hydrogen
The sourcecode and binaries (for Ubuntu 8.04 / 9.04 / 9.10 and
Debian Sid) are available here:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/hydrogen/files/. Please report
crashes and other glitches here:
http://www.assembla.com/spaces/hydrogen/tickets
i have this error when i try to compile:
scons libarchive=1 prefix=/usr lash=1
scons: Reading SConscript files ...
Checking for C header file sndfile.h... (cached) yes
Checking for C header file alsa/asoundlib.h... (cached) yes
Checking for C header file jack/jack.h... (cached) yes
Checking for lash-1.0>= 0.5.0... yes
Checking for C header file archive.h... yes
Checking for C header file lrdf.h... (cached) yes
Checking for C header file FLAC/all.h... (cached) yes
=================================================================
Hydrogen build script
Revision: esportato
Platform: linux2
Release build
Prefix: /usr
Destdir:
=================================================================
Feature Overview:
lash: enabled
oss: enabled
alsa: enabled
jack: enabled
libarchive: enabled
portaudio: disabled
portmidi: disabled
=================================================================
scons: done reading SConscript files.
scons: Building targets ...
g++ -o gui/src/PatternEditor/DrumPatternEditor.o -c -O3
-fomit-frame-pointer -funroll-loops -DOSS_SUPPORT -DALSA_SUPPORT
-DJACK_SUPPORT -DLASH_SUPPORT -DLRDF_SUPPORT -DFLAC_SUPPORT
-DLADSPA_SUPPORT -DLIBARCHIVE_SUPPORT -DQT_CORE_LIB -DQT_GUI_LIB
-DQT_NETWORK_LIB -DQT_XML_LIB -DQT_SHARED -I. -Igui/src
-I3rdparty/install/include -Ilibs/hydrogen/include -Igui/src/UI
-I/usr/include/qt4 -I/usr/include/qt4/QtCore
-I/usr/include/qt4/QtGui -I/usr/include/qt4/QtNetwork
-I/usr/include/qt4/QtXml -I/usr/include/lash-1.0
-I/usr/include/alsa
gui/src/PatternEditor/DrumPatternEditor.cpp /usr/share/qt3/bin/uic
-o gui/src/UI/ui_PatternFillDialog_UI.h
gui/src/UI/PatternFillDialog_UI.ui uic: File generated with too
recent version of Qt Designer (4.0 vs. 3.3.8b) scons: ***
[gui/src/UI/ui_PatternFillDialog_UI.h] Error 1 scons: building
terminated because of errors.
Cheers.
Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware Ltd
ciao
--
Luigi
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Io sono
lo sbaglio, il momento di confusione, l'inopportuno
Non sono niente.
Non sarò mai niente.
Non posso volere d'essere niente.
A parte questo, ho in me tutti i sogni del mondo.
(F. Pessoa)
7:47 a.m.
On Thursday 24 December 2009 12:36:15 luigi curzi wrote:
same error:
scons: done reading SConscript files.
scons: Building targets ...
Retrieved `gui/src/PatternEditor/DrumPatternEditor.o' from cache
/usr/share/qt3/bin/uic -o gui/src/UI/ui_PatternFillDialog_UI.h
gui/src/UI/PatternFillDialog_UI.ui uic: File generated with too recent
version of Qt Designer (4.0 vs. 3.3.8b) scons: ***
[gui/src/UI/ui_PatternFillDialog_UI.h] Error 1
scons: building terminated because of errors.
Make sure uic from qt4 is in path before the one from qt3.
If you are on debian, update-alternatives is your friend too. Or uninstalling
all the dev packages of qt3...
Arnold
8:04 a.m.
On 12/24/2009 10:36 PM, luigi curzi wrote:
Il giorno Thu, 24 Dec 2009 21:09:52 +1100
Patrick Shirkey<pshirkey(a)boosthardware.com> ha scritto:
Sorry I think that should have been QTDIR not QT_DIR...
Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware Ltd
On 12/24/2009 09:08 PM, luigi curzi wrote:
same error:
scons: done reading SConscript files.
scons: Building targets ...
Retrieved `gui/src/PatternEditor/DrumPatternEditor.o' from cache
/usr/share/qt3/bin/uic -o gui/src/UI/ui_PatternFillDialog_UI.h
gui/src/UI/PatternFillDialog_UI.ui
uic: File generated with too recent version of Qt Designer (4.0 vs. 3.3.8b)
scons: *** [gui/src/UI/ui_PatternFillDialog_UI.h] Error 1
scons: building terminated because of errors.
Il giorno Thu, 24 Dec 2009 10:43:52 +0100
Sebastian Moors<mauser(a)smoors.de> ha scritto:
export QT_DIR=/usr/lib/qt4
or on 64bit
export QT_DIR=/usr/lib64/qt4
Hi!
just to make sure that nobody gets bored over the Christmas
holidays we decided to release the first beta version of hydrogen
0.9.5 as a special gift for everyone.. This release is meant as a
first "public" preview and mainly for testing purposes. Here's a
quick list of some new features:
- non destructive sample editor ( requires rubberband-cli for
advanced features )
- a timeline
- instrument midi out
- better support for non-ascii filenames ( changed XML-Parser from
TinyXML to QtXml )
- piano-roll editor
- export to ogg, aiff and flac
- commandline version of hydrogen
The sourcecode and binaries (for Ubuntu 8.04 / 9.04 / 9.10 and
Debian Sid) are available here:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/hydrogen/files/. Please report
crashes and other glitches here:
http://www.assembla.com/spaces/hydrogen/tickets
i have this error when i try to compile:
scons libarchive=1 prefix=/usr lash=1
scons: Reading SConscript files ...
Checking for C header file sndfile.h... (cached) yes
Checking for C header file alsa/asoundlib.h... (cached) yes
Checking for C header file jack/jack.h... (cached) yes
Checking for lash-1.0>= 0.5.0... yes
Checking for C header file archive.h... yes
Checking for C header file lrdf.h... (cached) yes
Checking for C header file FLAC/all.h... (cached) yes
=================================================================
Hydrogen build script
Revision: esportato
Platform: linux2
Release build
Prefix: /usr
Destdir:
=================================================================
Feature Overview:
lash: enabled
oss: enabled
alsa: enabled
jack: enabled
libarchive: enabled
portaudio: disabled
portmidi: disabled
=================================================================
scons: done reading SConscript files.
scons: Building targets ...
g++ -o gui/src/PatternEditor/DrumPatternEditor.o -c -O3
-fomit-frame-pointer -funroll-loops -DOSS_SUPPORT -DALSA_SUPPORT
-DJACK_SUPPORT -DLASH_SUPPORT -DLRDF_SUPPORT -DFLAC_SUPPORT
-DLADSPA_SUPPORT -DLIBARCHIVE_SUPPORT -DQT_CORE_LIB -DQT_GUI_LIB
-DQT_NETWORK_LIB -DQT_XML_LIB -DQT_SHARED -I. -Igui/src
-I3rdparty/install/include -Ilibs/hydrogen/include -Igui/src/UI
-I/usr/include/qt4 -I/usr/include/qt4/QtCore
-I/usr/include/qt4/QtGui -I/usr/include/qt4/QtNetwork
-I/usr/include/qt4/QtXml -I/usr/include/lash-1.0
-I/usr/include/alsa
gui/src/PatternEditor/DrumPatternEditor.cpp /usr/share/qt3/bin/uic
-o gui/src/UI/ui_PatternFillDialog_UI.h
gui/src/UI/PatternFillDialog_UI.ui uic: File generated with too
recent version of Qt Designer (4.0 vs. 3.3.8b) scons: ***
[gui/src/UI/ui_PatternFillDialog_UI.h] Error 1 scons: building
terminated because of errors.
8:28 a.m.
Here's what I did to get it partially working on my AVLinux2rc2 (debian)
installation:
export QT_DIR=/usr/lib/qt4 (not sure if this is needed)
then
QTDIR=/opt/lib/qt4 scons (not sure if this is needed)
it returned these errors:
[...]
ary/moc_SoundLibraryTree.o gui/src/PlaylistEditor/moc_PlaylistDialog.o
-L/opt/lib/qt4/lib -lQtGui -lQtNetwork -lQtXml -lQtCore libhydrogen.a
-lsndfile -llrdf -lFLAC -lFLAC++ -ljack -lasound -ltar
/usr/lib/libraptor.so.1: undefined reference to
`xsltFreeSecurityPrefs(a)LIBXML2_1.0.22'
/usr/lib/libraptor.so.1: undefined reference to
`xsltSetGenericErrorFunc(a)LIBXML2_1.0.11'
/usr/lib/libraptor.so.1: undefined reference to
`xsltSetSecurityPrefs(a)LIBXML2_1.0.22'
/usr/lib/libraptor.so.1: undefined reference to
`xsltSetCtxtSecurityPrefs(a)LIBXML2_1.0.22'
/usr/lib/libraptor.so.1: undefined reference to
`xsltSetDefaultSecurityPrefs(a)LIBXML2_1.0.22'
/usr/lib/libraptor.so.1: undefined reference to
`xsltGenericErrorContext(a)LIBXML2_1.0.24'
/usr/lib/libraptor.so.1: undefined reference to
`xsltNewSecurityPrefs(a)LIBXML2_1.0.22'
/usr/lib/libraptor.so.1: undefined reference to
`xsltNewTransformContext(a)LIBXML2_1.0.11'
/usr/lib/libraptor.so.1: undefined reference to
`xsltParseStylesheetDoc(a)LIBXML2_1.0.11'
/usr/lib/libraptor.so.1: undefined reference to
`xsltFreeTransformContext(a)LIBXML2_1.0.11'
/usr/lib/libraptor.so.1: undefined reference to
`xsltSaveResultToString(a)LIBXML2_1.0.18'
/usr/lib/libraptor.so.1: undefined reference to
`xsltGenericError(a)LIBXML2_1.0.24'
/usr/lib/libraptor.so.1: undefined reference to
`xsltApplyStylesheetUser(a)LIBXML2_1.0.11'
/usr/lib/libraptor.so.1: undefined reference to
`xsltCleanupGlobals(a)LIBXML2_1.0.11'
/usr/lib/libraptor.so.1: undefined reference to
`xsltSecurityForbid(a)LIBXML2_1.0.22'
/usr/lib/libraptor.so.1: undefined reference to
`xsltFreeStylesheet(a)LIBXML2_1.0.11'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
scons: *** [hydrogen] Error 1
scons: building terminated because of errors.
pcuser@avl:/media/Data/src/hydrogen/0.9.5-beta1$
Then I upgraded the following packages:
libxslt1-dev (1.1.24-2) to 1.1.26-1
libxslt1.1 (1.1.24-2) to 1.1.26-1
and now it installed fine, only problem is no drumkits are installed by
default.
Cheers!
Peter
1 Jan
1 Jan
7:02 a.m.
New subject: Hydrogen 0.9.5-beta1 (discussion)
Sebastian Moors wrote:
Hi!
just to make sure that nobody gets bored over the Christmas holidays we
decided to release the first beta version of hydrogen 0.9.5 as a special
gift for everyone.. This release is meant as a first "public" preview
and mainly for testing purposes. Here's a quick list of some new
features:
- non destructive sample editor ( requires rubberband-cli for advanced
features )
- a timeline
- instrument midi out
- better support for non-ascii filenames ( changed XML-Parser from
TinyXML to QtXml )
- piano-roll editor
- export to ogg, aiff and flac
- commandline version of hydrogen
The sourcecode and binaries (for Ubuntu 8.04 / 9.04 / 9.10 and Debian
Sid) are available here:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/hydrogen/files/.
Please report crashes and other glitches here:
http://www.assembla.com/spaces/hydrogen/tickets
Merry Christmas to all of you and enjoy your holidays!
- Sebastian
Thanks.
But can I make an note here?
I saw you're busy making an piano-roll editor for hydrogen. I really
doubt whether that is the right direction for Hydrogen. Especially with
in mind that there are already good midi sequencers on Linux or they are
planned e.g. openoctavemidi, qtractor, ardour3 etc. Also the Hydrogen
team was lacking time and developers for a long time afaik, so why make
it yourself difficult now?
I played yesterday with non-sequencer and hydrogen. I really don't need
another midi sequencer, also not for live cause non-seq is good capable
of doing that... What I do need is an drummachine with a quality as good
as possible. Why not concentrate on that (not easy) task? More functions
makes also the GUI more complex imo and simplicity in use was one of the
powers of Hydrogen.
Why not stick with the one-task-one-tool principle? It's not by
accident that the openoctave team has stripped Rosegarden... I think
with the progress of Ladish there is a great potential for this
principle again.
I'm happy though with the command line option. I also use Linuxsampler
without frontend, that's just great.
All the best,
\r
2 Jan
2 Jan
7:09 a.m.
New subject: Hydrogen 0.9.5-beta1 (discussion)
Am 01.01.10 12:00, schrieb rosea grammostola:
But can I make an note here?
I saw you're busy making an piano-roll editor for hydrogen. I really
doubt whether that is the right direction for Hydrogen. Especially with
in mind that there are already good midi sequencers on Linux or they are
planned e.g. openoctavemidi, qtractor, ardour3 etc. Also the Hydrogen
team was lacking time and developers for a long time afaik, so why make
it yourself difficult now?
We had a discussion about the direction of hydrogen recently on our
mailing list and decided
that hydrogen should stay a something like a "drum machine" and is not
going to be a live composing app
( Gabriel's "composite" is going in that direction).
But beside that, often developers develop features which are useful for
them :)
You should also take into account that the piano roll editor is not
meant as a replacement for a full midi sequencer, it is more like a
extension to the existing sequencer.
I played yesterday with non-sequencer and hydrogen. I
really don't need
another midi sequencer, also not for live cause non-seq is good capable
of doing that... What I do need is an drummachine with a quality as good
as possible. Why not concentrate on that (not easy) task? More functions
makes also the GUI more complex imo and simplicity in use was one of the
powers of Hydrogen.
Why not stick with the one-task-one-tool principle? It's not by
accident that the openoctave team has stripped Rosegarden... I think
with the progress of Ladish there is a great potential for this
principle again.
The one-task-one-tool principle was *never* really used by hydrogen, so
we can't stick with it :)
Hydrogen has always been a tool which included things like a sequencers
and combined them and was not only one thing.
A lot of people like it this way, not at least because on other
platforms ( hydrogen is used a lot on windows and osx ) people are not
used to the modular way linux offers.
But after all, we discuss a lot about which feature we really need and
what not, so every comment is really welcome!
Thanks,
Sebastian
7:28 a.m.
New subject: Hydrogen 0.9.5-beta1 (discussion)
Sebastian Moors wrote:
Am 01.01.10 12:00, schrieb rosea grammostola:
Hi,
I jumped to the mailinglist when I was playing with non-sequencer and
hydrogen and thought, why another sequencer, I need an drummachine! It
looks to me that you're looking critical which feature to add and which
not. I'm happy with that and I'm hoping Hydrogen will be my drummachine
of choice for some time. Good luck with the project.
\r
But can I make an note here?
I saw you're busy making an piano-roll editor for hydrogen. I really
doubt whether that is the right direction for Hydrogen. Especially with
in mind that there are already good midi sequencers on Linux or they are
planned e.g. openoctavemidi, qtractor, ardour3 etc. Also the Hydrogen
team was lacking time and developers for a long time afaik, so why make
it yourself difficult now?
We had a discussion about the direction of hydrogen recently on our
mailing list and decided
that hydrogen should stay a something like a "drum machine" and is not
going to be a live composing app
( Gabriel's "composite" is going in that direction).
But beside that, often developers develop features which are useful
for them :)
You should also take into account that the piano roll editor is not
meant as a replacement for a full midi sequencer, it is more like a
extension to the existing sequencer.
I played yesterday with non-sequencer and
hydrogen. I really don't need
another midi sequencer, also not for live cause non-seq is good capable
of doing that... What I do need is an drummachine with a quality as good
as possible. Why not concentrate on that (not easy) task? More functions
makes also the GUI more complex imo and simplicity in use was one of the
powers of Hydrogen.
Why not stick with the one-task-one-tool principle? It's not by
accident that the openoctave team has stripped Rosegarden... I think
with the progress of Ladish there is a great potential for this
principle again.
The one-task-one-tool principle was *never* really used by hydrogen,
so we can't stick with it :)
Hydrogen has always been a tool which included things like a
sequencers and combined them and was not only one thing.
A lot of people like it this way, not at least because on other
platforms ( hydrogen is used a lot on windows and osx ) people are
not used to the modular way linux offers.
But after all, we discuss a lot about which feature we really need and
what not, so every comment is really welcome!
Thanks,
Sebastian
7:45 a.m.
New subject: Hydrogen 0.9.5-beta1 (discussion)
On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 12:27:09 +0100
rosea grammostola <rosea.grammostola(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Sebastian Moors wrote:
I'm not a 'heavy' hydrogen user - hmmm that has possibilities :)
but for what it's worth, here are my thoughts.
When trying to develop a new idea I'll often use hydrogen's
pattern/sequencer thingy to see how it sounds, and for the convenience
of being able to just drop hits in, or pull them out while the pattern
is playing.
Once I have something I like, I'll then transfer it to a Rosegarden
track, and use hydrogen as a slave. This gives me much greater control
and a single integrated interface for MIDI, samples, synths etc.
--
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.
Am 01.01.10 12:00, schrieb rosea grammostola:
Hi,
I jumped to the mailinglist when I was playing with non-sequencer and
hydrogen and thought, why another sequencer, I need an drummachine! It
looks to me that you're looking critical which feature to add and which
not. I'm happy with that and I'm hoping Hydrogen will be my drummachine
of choice for some time. Good luck with the project.
\r
But can I make an note here?
I saw you're busy making an piano-roll editor for hydrogen. I really
doubt whether that is the right direction for Hydrogen. Especially with
in mind that there are already good midi sequencers on Linux or they are
planned e.g. openoctavemidi, qtractor, ardour3 etc. Also the Hydrogen
team was lacking time and developers for a long time afaik, so why make
it yourself difficult now?
We had a discussion about the direction of hydrogen recently on our
mailing list and decided
that hydrogen should stay a something like a "drum machine" and is not
going to be a live composing app
( Gabriel's "composite" is going in that direction).
But beside that, often developers develop features which are useful
for them :)
You should also take into account that the piano roll editor is not
meant as a replacement for a full midi sequencer, it is more like a
extension to the existing sequencer.
I played yesterday with non-sequencer and
hydrogen. I really don't need
another midi sequencer, also not for live cause non-seq is good capable
of doing that... What I do need is an drummachine with a quality as good
as possible. Why not concentrate on that (not easy) task? More functions
makes also the GUI more complex imo and simplicity in use was one of the
powers of Hydrogen.
Why not stick with the one-task-one-tool principle? It's not by
accident that the openoctave team has stripped Rosegarden... I think
with the progress of Ladish there is a great potential for this
principle again.
The one-task-one-tool principle was *never* really used by hydrogen,
so we can't stick with it :)
Hydrogen has always been a tool which included things like a
sequencers and combined them and was not only one thing.
A lot of people like it this way, not at least because on other
platforms ( hydrogen is used a lot on windows and osx ) people are
not used to the modular way linux offers.
But after all, we discuss a lot about which feature we really need and
what not, so every comment is really welcome!
Thanks,
Sebastian
12:14 p.m.
New subject: Hydrogen 0.9.5-beta1 (discussion)
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I saw you're busy making an piano-roll editor for
hydrogen. I really
doubt whether that is the right direction for Hydrogen. Especially with
in mind that there are already good midi sequencers on Linux or they are
planned e.g....
I am extremely happy about that development. To be perfectly honest I
did not used H2 frequently because there was no way to play the same
sample with differing pitch and thus getting a more lively feel in a set
of samples, more diversity, more opportunities to use a virtual drumkit.
I believe, that no virtual instrument can really mimmick a real drumset.
So it should be possible, to do every thinkable manipulation to a
sample-set to benefit from the digital way as much as possible -- in
the sense of:
"OK, it is no real instrument but I have a tool at hand, that allows me
to do more than I can do with a real one."
Such as:
http://lapoc.de/demos/pianorolled-drumpower-h2.wav
there is only but one tom-sound involved in this one. To let it sound
that way is impossible without a pianoroll-editor....
So consider the piano-roll mode a major improvement and like to thank
the H2-people a lot for this :-)
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