29 Sep
2009
29 Sep
'09
9:25 a.m.
Greetings,
I've posted some recordings from a performance of my band last Saturday
night. The tracks are simple unprocessed and unmastered board
recordings, made by the soundman for the gig. As such they're intended
primarily as a record of the performance, but I'd like to use some of
them for tracks on a CD to sell at gigs. Here's where I need the advice.
As you can tell, the bass is too well-recorded (it had a direct line
out). I'd like to be able to diminish its presence, but I think I need
some advice on using EQ. Also, the originals had no processing, so I
added a bit of CAPS Stereo Versatile Plate in ReZound. I'm curious to
know what others here might do. Alas, there are no
multichannel/multitrack versions, I have to work with the present stereo
mix.
You can hear the tracks here:
http://linux-sound.org/audio/Woke_Up_This_Morning.ogg
http://linux-sound.org/audio/Outside_Woman_Blues.ogg
http://linux-sound.org/audio/I_Dont_Know_Your_Name.ogg
MP3 versions are also available (s/ogg/mp3).
I'll send them through JAMin later today, so any advice re: using JAMin
would be especially helpful, but I'm interested in any & all responses.
Btw, ReZound and the encoders were the only Linux audio software used
for these tracks.
Enjoy, critique, keep breathing.
Best,
dp
29 Sep
29 Sep
9:57 a.m.
Hi Dave,
You have some mad skills, sounds great! :) Really really great.
Listening through in-ear phones at work and I think it sounds awesome.
Ok the bass may be a bit too pronounced at times so cutting some lows may be
the ticket to get a bit more even. Though, just running it through jamin may
be all you need.
It feels very live and bluesy. I think it would fit straight up on a live
blues album.
Regards,
Robert
2009/9/29 Dave Phillips <dlphillips(a)woh.rr.com>
Greetings,
I've posted some recordings from a performance of my band last Saturday
night. The tracks are simple unprocessed and unmastered board
recordings, made by the soundman for the gig. As such they're intended
primarily as a record of the performance, but I'd like to use some of
them for tracks on a CD to sell at gigs. Here's where I need the advice.
As you can tell, the bass is too well-recorded (it had a direct line
out). I'd like to be able to diminish its presence, but I think I need
some advice on using EQ. Also, the originals had no processing, so I
added a bit of CAPS Stereo Versatile Plate in ReZound. I'm curious to
know what others here might do. Alas, there are no
multichannel/multitrack versions, I have to work with the present stereo
mix.
You can hear the tracks here:
http://linux-sound.org/audio/Woke_Up_This_Morning.ogg
http://linux-sound.org/audio/Outside_Woman_Blues.ogg
http://linux-sound.org/audio/I_Dont_Know_Your_Name.ogg
MP3 versions are also available (s/ogg/mp3).
I'll send them through JAMin later today, so any advice re: using JAMin
would be especially helpful, but I'm interested in any & all responses.
Btw, ReZound and the encoders were the only Linux audio software used
for these tracks.
Enjoy, critique, keep breathing.
Best,
dp
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11:10 a.m.
Robert Jonsson wrote:
You have some mad skills, sounds great! :) Really really great.
Hi Robert,
Thanks for listening and your reply. We do have a lot of fun in this
group, it's a trio of some fairly experienced players.
Btw, if anyone's player doesn't render the tags, the performers are:
Terry McClanahan - guitar
Dave Phillips - bass and vocal
Rusty Campbell - drums
Listening through in-ear phones at work and I think it
sounds awesome.
Ok the bass may be a bit too pronounced at times so cutting some lows
may be the ticket to get a bit more even. Though, just running it
through jamin may be all you need.
It feels very live and bluesy. I think it would fit straight up on a
live blues album.
That's the plan. Some of our gigs don't pay very well, so we make up the
difference by selling CDs. The sales usually net 2x to 3x the nominal
pay. Blues gigs aren't exactly money-makers here in NW OH USA. :-/
Best regards,
dp
2 Oct
2 Oct
2:17 p.m.
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 9:10 AM, Dave Phillips <dlphillips(a)woh.rr.com> wrote:
Blues gigs aren't exactly money-makers here in NW
OH USA. :-/
I just came back from a road trip. We have driven over 12000km across
the USA and Canada (Mtl - San Fran - Vancouver - Mtl) and I would
guess, after having overdosed on the commercial/local radios, what
sells must be country music? I think 90% of it was country. On some
parts (SD and NV comes to mind) was either country or static.
Great tracks BTW. It must be fun to experience your trio live.
Although my current music activities do not reflect that, I grew up
playing the blues and listening to this kind of stuff brings fond
memories.
Thanks for sharing.
./MiS
3 Oct
3 Oct
10:58 a.m.
Michal Seta wrote:
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 9:10 AM, Dave Phillips
<dlphillips(a)woh.rr.com> wrote:
I think sales are probably something like 50-50, split between
not-so-country country and execrable rap. I'm an Eminem and Dre fan
myself, Lil Wayne and his ilk can drown for all I care, though I must
admit that he certainly knows his audience. :-/
Blues gigs aren't exactly money-makers here
in NW OH USA. :-/
I just came back from a road trip. We have driven over 12000km across
the USA and Canada (Mtl - San Fran - Vancouver - Mtl) and I would
guess, after having overdosed on the commercial/local radios, what
sells must be country music? I think 90% of it was country. On some
parts (SD and NV comes to mind) was either country or static.
Great tracks BTW. It must be fun to experience your
trio live.
Although my current music activities do not reflect that, I grew up
playing the blues and listening to this kind of stuff brings fond
memories.
Thanks for the kind remarks, Michal. Considering what you're into now I
think it would be wonderful to hear how you'd treat a blues these days. :)
Best,
dp
29 Sep
29 Sep
11:55 a.m.
On tisdag 29 september 2009 13:57:40 Robert Jonsson wrote:
Hi Dave,
You have some mad skills, sounds great! :) Really really great.
Listening through in-ear phones at work and I think it sounds awesome.
Ok the bass may be a bit too pronounced at times so cutting some lows may
be the ticket to get a bit more even. Though, just running it through
jamin may be all you need.
It feels very live and bluesy. I think it would fit straight up on a live
blues album.
Me to with in-ear phones at work. Can only agree with Robert. Nice.
PS. At 112sec in Woke Up This Morning I hear a crack. No jack? :-) DS.
/bengan
12:10 p.m.
On Tue, 2009-09-29 at 07:25 -0400, Dave Phillips wrote:
The recording is fine. The bass may be a little loud, but there's not
much you can do with that. It has a lot of growl, I think it's cool.
The only issue with the bass, and it has nothing to do with the
recording, sounds like he's digging in really hard, and he's either got
a tiny amount of fret buzz, or the strings are hitting the pickup. But
that's a setup issue.
It's great. At this point, just give it to a mastering engineer.
Ricardus...
Greetings,
I've posted some recordings from a performance of my band last Saturday
night. The tracks are simple unprocessed and unmastered board
recordings, made by the soundman for the gig. As such they're intended
primarily as a record of the performance, but I'd like to use some of
them for tracks on a CD to sell at gigs. Here's where I need the advice.
As you can tell, the bass is too well-recorded (it had a direct line
out). I'd like to be able to diminish its presence, but I think I need
some advice on using EQ. Also, the originals had no processing, so I
added a bit of CAPS Stereo Versatile Plate in ReZound. I'm curious to
know what others here might do. Alas, there are no
multichannel/multitrack versions, I have to work with the present stereo
mix.
You can hear the tracks here:
http://linux-sound.org/audio/Woke_Up_This_Morning.ogg
http://linux-sound.org/audio/Outside_Woman_Blues.ogg
http://linux-sound.org/audio/I_Dont_Know_Your_Name.ogg
MP3 versions are also available (s/ogg/mp3).
I'll send them through JAMin later today, so any advice re: using JAMin
would be especially helpful, but I'm interested in any & all responses.
Btw, ReZound and the encoders were the only Linux audio software used
for these tracks.
Enjoy, critique, keep breathing.
Best,
dp
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6:56 p.m.
Dave Phillips wrote:
Greetings,
I've posted some recordings from a performance of my band last Saturday
night. The tracks are simple unprocessed and unmastered board
recordings, made by the soundman for the gig. As such they're intended
primarily as a record of the performance, but I'd like to use some of
them for tracks on a CD to sell at gigs. Here's where I need the advice.
As you can tell, the bass is too well-recorded (it had a direct line
out). I'd like to be able to diminish its presence, but I think I need
some advice on using EQ. Also, the originals had no processing, so I
added a bit of CAPS Stereo Versatile Plate in ReZound. I'm curious to
know what others here might do. Alas, there are no
multichannel/multitrack versions, I have to work with the present stereo
mix.
You can hear the tracks here:
http://linux-sound.org/audio/Woke_Up_This_Morning.ogg
http://linux-sound.org/audio/Outside_Woman_Blues.ogg
http://linux-sound.org/audio/I_Dont_Know_Your_Name.ogg
MP3 versions are also available (s/ogg/mp3).
I'll send them through JAMin later today, so any advice re: using JAMin
would be especially helpful, but I'm interested in any & all responses.
Btw, ReZound and the encoders were the only Linux audio software used
for these tracks.
Enjoy, critique, keep breathing.
Best,
dp
Great tracks, Dave, love your vocals.
I don't agree with Robert WRT cutting lows though: that's where all the
oomph lives. Its the bright edge on the bass that's the "problem".
I tried running the tracks through a parametric eq, ( I used LinuxDsp's
para eq2 ) trying to nail that edge, but didn't have much success. YMMV.
You might try cutting a narrow band somewhere between 1 and 2 khz.
Anything you cut off the bass comes off everything else though. A good
mastering engineer might manage something, but those guys cost money.
The fact of the matter is that you are only going to achieve very
limited results tweaking a stereo mix to fix individual instruments.
I wouldn't be surprised if you decided that you could live with it as
is. Judging by the other comments that wouldn't be a bad thing.
It might be worth investing in a modest multi-track recorder if you're
doing a lot of CDs ?
If I may presume - for this style of music I would have the tone control
on the bass turned nearly all the way down. The sound guy can't turn up
what isn't there?
all the best, G.
30 Sep
30 Sep
4:39 a.m.
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 09:55:29PM +0100, Garry Ogle wrote:
Dave Phillips wrote:
I also agree that the performances are outstanding. The audience
clearly got that they were hearing something special.
I think your recordings are great, too. They serve their purpose
that as listener, I get a feeling for the life in what
you are playing.
Do people expect the same from live recordings as studio
productions?
I think your sensitivity to the pronounced position of the
bass is way more than anything that will trouble your
listeners. Especially, if they are at a performance, already
experiencing your music firsthand. They will know what
to listen for.
Speaking for myself, I am blown away with what I am
hearing.
Joel
--
Joel Roth
Greetings,
I've posted some recordings from a performance of my band last Saturday
night. The tracks are simple unprocessed and unmastered board
recordings, made by the soundman for the gig. As such they're intended
primarily as a record of the performance, but I'd like to use some of
them for tracks on a CD to sell at gigs. Here's where I need the advice.
As you can tell, the bass is too well-recorded (it had a direct line
out). I'd like to be able to diminish its presence, but I think I need
some advice on using EQ. Also, the originals had no processing, so I
added a bit of CAPS Stereo Versatile Plate in ReZound. I'm curious to
know what others here might do. Alas, there are no
multichannel/multitrack versions, I have to work with the present stereo
mix.
You can hear the tracks here:
http://linux-sound.org/audio/Woke_Up_This_Morning.ogg
http://linux-sound.org/audio/Outside_Woman_Blues.ogg
http://linux-sound.org/audio/I_Dont_Know_Your_Name.ogg
MP3 versions are also available (s/ogg/mp3).
I'll send them through JAMin later today, so any advice re: using JAMin
would be especially helpful, but I'm interested in any & all responses.
Btw, ReZound and the encoders were the only Linux audio software used
for these tracks.
Enjoy, critique, keep breathing.
Best,
dp
Great tracks, Dave, love your vocals.
I don't agree with Robert WRT cutting lows though: that's where all the
oomph lives. Its the bright edge on the bass that's the "problem".
I tried running the tracks through a parametric eq, ( I used LinuxDsp's
para eq2 ) trying to nail that edge, but didn't have much success. YMMV.
You might try cutting a narrow band somewhere between 1 and 2 khz.
Anything you cut off the bass comes off everything else though. A good
mastering engineer might manage something, but those guys cost money.
The fact of the matter is that you are only going to achieve very
limited results tweaking a stereo mix to fix individual instruments.
I wouldn't be surprised if you decided that you could live with it as
is. Judging by the other comments that wouldn't be a bad thing.
It might be worth investing in a modest multi-track recorder if you're
doing a lot of CDs ?
If I may presume - for this style of music I would have the tone control
on the bass turned nearly all the way down. The sound guy can't turn up
what isn't there?
all the best, G.
11:41 a.m.
Joel Roth wrote:
Do people expect the same from live recordings as studio productions?
I hope not. ;)
I think your sensitivity to the pronounced position of
the
bass is way more than anything that will trouble your
listeners. Especially, if they are at a performance, already
experiencing your music firsthand. They will know what
to listen for.
Speaking for myself, I am blown away with what I am
hearing.
<blush>
Thanks, Joel, I'm glad you enjoyed the performances. We do have a lot of
fun, the guitarist and I have been friends and playing partners for a
long time. Perhaps I'm more sensitive about the bass because I'm the one
wanging away at it. :)
Best,
dp
12:33 p.m.
I find it a little ironic that you're covering Jack Bruce (et al) and you
think your bass is too out front....this is a great performance. Don't
change a thing! As a fellow bassologist, I really like hearing you dig in.
Are you a finger player or a picker? You really oughta get the other
fellows to do that harmony at the end....
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 6:41 AM, Dave Phillips <dlphillips(a)woh.rr.com>wrote;wrote:
Joel Roth wrote:
Do people expect the same from live recordings as studio productions?
I hope not. ;)
I think your sensitivity to the pronounced
position of the
bass is way more than anything that will trouble your
listeners. Especially, if they are at a performance, already
experiencing your music firsthand. They will know what
to listen for.
Speaking for myself, I am blown away with what I am
hearing.
<blush>
Thanks, Joel, I'm glad you enjoyed the performances. We do have a lot of
fun, the guitarist and I have been friends and playing partners for a
long time. Perhaps I'm more sensitive about the bass because I'm the one
wanging away at it. :)
Best,
dp
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1:17 p.m.
Eric Steinberg wrote:
I find it a little ironic that you're covering
Jack Bruce (et al) and
you think your bass is too out front....this is a great performance.
Don't change a thing! As a fellow bassologist, I really like hearing
you dig in. Are you a finger player or a picker? You really oughta
get the other fellows to do that harmony at the end....
Hi Eric,
Honestly, I must be the world's most accidental bass player. I goofed
around with it a little when I was in my teens, but guitar was and has
been my focus instrument. When I lived in LA I got a call from a friend
whose bassist had to cancel at the last minute, so I borrowed a bass and
faked my way through the night. My friend was happy enough with me to
keep me gigging on the instrument for about a year, but I've always
considered myself just a workman on it. When I came back to Ohio I found
more work as a bassist than as a guitarist, so I just carried on with it.
I'm a finger-picker and a flat-picker on guitar and bass. I use a pick
on Outside Woman Blues and on Woke Up This Morning, fingers on I Don't
Know Your Name. My right-hand technique is straight from classical
guitar, i.e. thumb and three fingers.
Btw, I liked Jack Bruce back in the day, but I admired John Entwhistle's
technique. :)
Thanks for checking us out, Eric, I appreciate it.
Best,
dp
7:24 a.m.
On tisdag 29 september 2009 22:55:29 Garry Ogle wrote:
Dave Phillips wrote:
As a rule of thumb for a live tech don't turn up. Cut off. So I disagree with
you here. I'm not a live-tech these days but I've been one. And frankly. You
have to use your 31-band stereo EQ on the master out otherwise it's going to
sound like sh... How much you are trying to adjust your knobs on individual
instruments you'll be left with adjusting your EQ on master out anyway.
For Daves ogg-files I suggest a very simple (takes about 30 sec) EQ setting.
(I used jamin)
0 - 120Hz cut off the low base.
900Hz - 2000Hz with centre freq cut about 30dB
4500Hz - 20kHz enhance about 10dB
Experiment with the settings and find your own settings. But I find these
settings less muffled and more crisp. YMMV.
/bengan
Greetings,
I've posted some recordings from a performance of my band last Saturday
night. The tracks are simple unprocessed and unmastered board
recordings, made by the soundman for the gig. As such they're intended
primarily as a record of the performance, but I'd like to use some of
them for tracks on a CD to sell at gigs. Here's where I need the advice.
As you can tell, the bass is too well-recorded (it had a direct line
out). I'd like to be able to diminish its presence, but I think I need
some advice on using EQ. Also, the originals had no processing, so I
added a bit of CAPS Stereo Versatile Plate in ReZound. I'm curious to
know what others here might do. Alas, there are no
multichannel/multitrack versions, I have to work with the present stereo
mix.
You can hear the tracks here:
http://linux-sound.org/audio/Woke_Up_This_Morning.ogg
http://linux-sound.org/audio/Outside_Woman_Blues.ogg
http://linux-sound.org/audio/I_Dont_Know_Your_Name.ogg
MP3 versions are also available (s/ogg/mp3).
I'll send them through JAMin later today, so any advice re: using JAMin
would be especially helpful, but I'm interested in any & all responses.
Btw, ReZound and the encoders were the only Linux audio software used
for these tracks.
Enjoy, critique, keep breathing.
Best,
dp
Great tracks, Dave, love your vocals.
I don't agree with Robert WRT cutting lows though: that's where all the
oomph lives. Its the bright edge on the bass that's the "problem".
I tried running the tracks through a parametric eq, ( I used LinuxDsp's
para eq2 ) trying to nail that edge, but didn't have much success. YMMV.
You might try cutting a narrow band somewhere between 1 and 2 khz.
Anything you cut off the bass comes off everything else though. A good
mastering engineer might manage something, but those guys cost money.
The fact of the matter is that you are only going to achieve very
limited results tweaking a stereo mix to fix individual instruments.
I wouldn't be surprised if you decided that you could live with it as
is. Judging by the other comments that wouldn't be a bad thing.
It might be worth investing in a modest multi-track recorder if you're
doing a lot of CDs ?
If I may presume - for this style of music I would have the tone control
on the bass turned nearly all the way down. The sound guy can't turn up
what isn't there? 
12:55 p.m.
On Wed, 2009-09-30 at 11:24 +0200, Bengt Gördén wrote:
For Daves ogg-files I suggest a very simple (takes
about 30 sec) EQ setting.
(I used jamin)
0 - 120Hz cut off the low base.
900Hz - 2000Hz with centre freq cut about 30dB
4500Hz - 20kHz enhance about 10dB
Seriously? You want to boost those midrange frequencies by THIRTY dB,
and add TEN dB to the high end?
That's insanity.
Ricardus...
2 Oct
2 Oct
11:07 a.m.
Bengt Gördén wrote:
For Daves ogg-files I suggest a very simple (takes about 30 sec) EQ setting.
(I used jamin)
0 - 120Hz cut off the low base.
900Hz - 2000Hz with centre freq cut about 30dB
4500Hz - 20kHz enhance about 10dB
Experiment with the settings and find your own settings. But I find these
settings less muffled and more crisp. YMMV.
Hi Bengt,
I finally got around to testing your settings, thank you for sending
them. Some notes on how I heard the changes:
0 - 120Hz cut off the low bass - I didn't cut much. As someone else
pointed out, the loss of the bass affects other characteristics of the
sound.
900Hz - 2000Hz with centre freq cut about 30dB - Ja, the standard cut.
Sounds good when I cut lightly, not so good with too deep a cut.
4500Hz - 20kHz enhance about 10dB - Big differences with these settings
in this range. Much better cymbal sounds, much brighter sound overall.
Btw, I tested these settings with the WAV and OGG versions. The OGG file
got the greater assist, but IMO both were improved by a little EQ trickery.
Best,
dp
30 Sep
30 Sep
9:35 a.m.
Garry Ogle wrote:
Great tracks, Dave, love your vocals.
Thanks, G, I'm glad you like 'em. :)
Honestly, I could be a happy camper just singing blues all night long.
I don't agree with Robert WRT cutting lows though:
that's where all the
oomph lives. Its the bright edge on the bass that's the "problem".
I tried running the tracks through a parametric eq, ( I used LinuxDsp's
para eq2 ) trying to nail that edge, but didn't have much success. YMMV.
You might try cutting a narrow band somewhere between 1 and 2 khz.
I'll try it, thanks. I was surprised to hear the bass sound on the
recording, particularly because I use a rather "round" sound on stage. I
like definition in the bass but I typically avoid a too-crisp bass tone.
IOW, the bass sounds completely different on the recording than it did
on stage. Grrrr....
... The fact of the matter is that you are only going
to achieve very
limited results tweaking a stereo mix to fix individual instruments.
I wouldn't be surprised if you decided that you could live with it as
is. Judging by the other comments that wouldn't be a bad thing.
I'm not going to try to salvage anything from the recordings, they're
good enough as representative tracks. But I do want to try to get a
little more balance in the parts, hence my original query. Happily I've
got a few ideas from you sharp fellows here. :)
It might be worth investing in a modest multi-track
recorder if you're
doing a lot of CDs ?
My drummer has brought in a Zoom recorder a few times but I don't think
he knows how to use it [Insert obligatory drummer jokes here]. I've
never heard what he recorded, he just said that it didn't turn out well.
I think my guitarist has an 8-track Roland HDR, he definitely does not
know how to use it, so perhaps I'll figure out that unit.
If I may presume - for this style of music I would
have the tone control
on the bass turned nearly all the way down. The sound guy can't turn up
what isn't there?
I usually do keep a rather full tone on the instrument when we play out.
As I said, I was quite surprised to hear both the presence and the tone
quality of the bass. It's not distasteful, it just seems too out-front
for my listening ears.
Thanks again for your advice and comments, G, it's all much appreciated.
Best,
dp
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Robert Jonsson