19 Aug
2013
19 Aug
'13
8:28 a.m.
Hi
I'm replacing my lenovo X61s (dualcore 1.6Ghz) laptop, mostly due to a
hard drive that's starting to fail and need some advice.
I'm having problems finding something that has the right balance between
specs and price *and* has firewire. This means I might have to replace
my Edirol FA-66 with an USB based sound card. Will I be able to get low
latancy (<10ms) and reliable performance from an USB sound card? Any
suggestions for a sound card (minimum 4in (2 of these should be phantom
power) + 4out) what will provide zero-latency monitoring and work
out-of-the-box with linux?
Right now I'm leaning towards a Lenovo IdeaPad U310 core i7, with 500GB
HD + 24GB SSD, the idea would be to install the system on the SSD and
have the data sit on the slower HD:
http://laptops.dk/product_info.php?cPath=203&products_id=4875
Any reasons this would be a bad/good choice?
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19 Aug
19 Aug
9:33 a.m.
Hi there
did you think about buying a laptop from a custom shop like PCAudiolabs or
ADK?
also there is this thread
http://www.gearslutz.com/board/music-computers/686047-audio-pc-laptops-buye…
I am working on a macbook pro but pricewise it's not recommended if you
don't need OSX.
Good hunting
Moshe
On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 9:28 AM, Atte André Jensen <atte(a)youmail.dk> wrote:
Hi
I'm replacing my lenovo X61s (dualcore 1.6Ghz) laptop, mostly due to a
hard drive that's starting to fail and need some advice.
I'm having problems finding something that has the right balance between
specs and price *and* has firewire. This means I might have to replace my
Edirol FA-66 with an USB based sound card. Will I be able to get low
latancy (<10ms) and reliable performance from an USB sound card? Any
suggestions for a sound card (minimum 4in (2 of these should be phantom
power) + 4out) what will provide zero-latency monitoring and work
out-of-the-box with linux?
Right now I'm leaning towards a Lenovo IdeaPad U310 core i7, with 500GB HD
+ 24GB SSD, the idea would be to install the system on the SSD and have the
data sit on the slower HD:
http://laptops.dk/product_**info.php?cPath=203&products_**id=4875<ht…
Any reasons this would be a bad/good choice?
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12:53 p.m.
On 08/19/2013 09:33 AM, Moshe Werner wrote:
Hi there
did you think about buying a laptop from a custom shop like PCAudiolabs
or ADK?
Naeh, not really. A general purpose laptop with *my* choice of OS (down
to which linux flavor and detailed setup I prefer) have worked great.
also there is this thread
http://www.gearslutz.com/board/music-computers/686047-audio-pc-laptops-buye…
Seems goo generic, oriented towards windows and a bit outdated (october
2012) to really fit my needs.
I am working on a macbook pro but pricewise it's
not recommended if you
don't need OSX.
Which I don't :-)
Good hunting
Moshe
Thanks!
More personal experiences and advice are welcome!
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9:44 a.m.
On 08/19/2013 08:28 AM, Atte André Jensen wrote:
Hi
I'm replacing my lenovo X61s (dualcore 1.6Ghz) laptop, mostly due to a
hard drive that's starting to fail and need some advice.
I'm having problems finding something that has the right balance between
specs and price *and* has firewire. This means I might have to replace
my Edirol FA-66 with an USB based sound card. Will I be able to get low
latancy (<10ms) and reliable performance from an USB sound card? Any
suggestions for a sound card (minimum 4in (2 of these should be phantom
power) + 4out) what will provide zero-latency monitoring and work
out-of-the-box with linux?
Hi Atte,
FireWire is being phased out. Same goes for ExpressCard, at least the
notebook I recently bought doesn't have any other interface slots other
than USB. And yes, you should be able to get <10ms latency and reliable
performance with USB. I'm using FireWire too on my main system but I'm
thinking about selling the unit and getting a USB device like the
Presonus 1818VSL so I can use it on my notebook too.
The notebook itself is a custom built one:
http://linux.autostatic.com/2013/05/31/new-notebook-bto-pbook-17cl45-gt650-…
Regards,
Jeremy
Right now I'm leaning towards a Lenovo IdeaPad
U310 core i7, with 500GB
HD + 24GB SSD, the idea would be to install the system on the SSD and
have the data sit on the slower HD:
http://laptops.dk/product_info.php?cPath=203&products_id=4875
Any reasons this would be a bad/good choice?
7:44 p.m.
Quoting Atte André Jensen <atte(a)youmail.dk>dk>:
I'm replacing my lenovo X61s (dualcore 1.6Ghz)
laptop, mostly due to a
hard drive that's starting to fail and need some advice.
If it's mostly due to hard drive failure and works reasonably well
otherwise (and is able to run all the softwart you want) why not just
buy a new drive?
Lenovo's are dead easy to swap drives in - remove one screw, yank out
the old drive and pop in the new.
Or buy a new drive for the X61, buy a new computer to run the programs
on and use netjack to send the audio to the X61/FA-66
- Peder
8:13 p.m.
I vote for a SSD, even with 120GB (100dlls) it will give new life to your
laptop.
I did change to SSD a 2GB dualcore Laptop; feels as good as a i5 Asus
Laptop 4GB with normal drive.
Cheap upgrade (if you are not in the necessity of big hard drive)
:)
Leo
On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Peder Hedlund <peder(a)musikhuset.org>wrote;wrote:
Quoting Atte André Jensen <atte(a)youmail.dk>dk>:
I'm replacing my lenovo X61s (dualcore 1.6Ghz) laptop, mostly due to a
hard drive that's starting to fail and need
some advice.
If it's mostly due to hard drive failure and works reasonably well
otherwise (and is able to run all the softwart you want) why not just buy a
new drive?
Lenovo's are dead easy to swap drives in - remove one screw, yank out the
old drive and pop in the new.
Or buy a new drive for the X61, buy a new computer to run the programs on
and use netjack to send the audio to the X61/FA-66
- Peder
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Leonardo Palomares wrote:
I vote for a SSD, even with 120GB (100dlls) it will
give new life to your
laptop.
Another vote. Rotating disks (especially notebook models) are by far
the largest bottleneck in any more-or less modern computer, and easy to
replace with an SSD. Furthermore, if you have a working FireWire setup,
you should try to keep it.
Regards,
Clemens
20 Aug
20 Aug
3:38 p.m.
On 08/19/2013 07:44 PM, Peder Hedlund wrote:
If it's mostly due to hard drive failure and works
reasonably well
otherwise (and is able to run all the softwart you want) why not just
buy a new drive?
That's actually a good idea! However I already ordered the U310 (which
has 24G of SSD + a larger, regular HD.
This might breathe new life into the x61s, though, the plan was to give
it to my 12 year old.
What should I look for in an SSD? How to make sure it physically fits
and is not a old and slow generation?
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10:09 p.m.
On 08/20/2013 06:23 AM, Atte André Jensen wrote:
On 08/19/2013 07:44 PM, Peder Hedlund wrote:
What should I look for in an SSD? How to make sure it physically fits and
is not a old and slow generation?
SSDs I've seen are physically the same size as laptop drives, so that
should be no issue. But, they are only available as SATA drives. If
your x61 is IDE, that's a problem. It all depends on how old it is.
/ken
24 Aug
24 Aug
1:40 p.m.
Am 20.08.2013 22:07, schrieb Ken Dawson:
On 08/20/2013 06:23 AM, Atte André Jensen wrote:
Let me chime in here, please.
There are SSDs with IDE connectors.
There is an Austrian price checker portal with a good search function
http://geizhals.at/eu/?cat=hdssd
From there you can make a refinement of your searches as in form factor
and interface.
Once you got oversight of what is in stores right now or what SSD you
prefer you might search for that in your country.
God bless, Marius
On 08/19/2013 07:44 PM, Peder Hedlund wrote:
What should I look for in an SSD? How to make sure it physically fits and
is not a old and slow generation?
SSDs I've seen are physically the same size as laptop drives, so that
should be no issue. But, they are only available as SATA drives. If
your x61 is IDE, that's a problem. It all depends on how old it is.
/ken
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12:04 p.m.
Hi Atte,
I can confirm that you should easily get <10ms latency with a modern USB
card.
I have an i5 laptop (Asus UL30JT), so slightly less powerful than the one
you spotted. My first experiences on it were with the Edirol UA-25 (the old
model, not the EX one). That's USB 1. Jack would start at 8ms and be
plainly usable with Ardour: 4-5 tracks, some plugins on each.
Then I tried a Scarlett 2i4 for a couple of days. It's USB 2. Jack would
start at ridiculously low latencies, like 2ms or so. But working with the
same Ardour sessions was still only possible at 8ms. So I figure the
bottleneck is my CPU rather than USB. I brought the card back anyway.
Eventually, I opted for the Komplete Audio 6. This could fit your minimal
requirements of "4in (2 of these should be phantom power) + 4out". Latency
is the same as with the Scarlett: Jack starts very low, but for what I'm
doing, with an i5 CPU, 8ms is the most reasonable choice. I find it's a
very good soundcard, very clean preamps, it works out of the box on Linux.
So if you end up looking for a USB card, you could consider that one.
A note on the Lenovo U310 which you spotted: it has 2 x USB 3 and 1 x USB
2. This looks good because it could mean that the USB 2 slot is not on an
internal combo (as is the case with some other laptops, mine included). It
should be better for latency, and possibly diminish the risk of noise
interferences. You may however be restricted to using that slot for the
soundcard, as USB 2 devices are not guaranteed to work on a USB 3 slot.
Cheers,
Victor
On 19 August 2013 08:28, Atte André Jensen <atte(a)youmail.dk> wrote:
Hi
I'm replacing my lenovo X61s (dualcore 1.6Ghz) laptop, mostly due to a
hard drive that's starting to fail and need some advice.
I'm having problems finding something that has the right balance between
specs and price *and* has firewire. This means I might have to replace my
Edirol FA-66 with an USB based sound card. Will I be able to get low
latancy (<10ms) and reliable performance from an USB sound card? Any
suggestions for a sound card (minimum 4in (2 of these should be phantom
power) + 4out) what will provide zero-latency monitoring and work
out-of-the-box with linux?
Right now I'm leaning towards a Lenovo IdeaPad U310 core i7, with 500GB HD
+ 24GB SSD, the idea would be to install the system on the SSD and have the
data sit on the slower HD:
http://laptops.dk/product_**info.php?cPath=203&products_**id=4875<ht…
Any reasons this would be a bad/good choice?
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