On Sun, 2010-07-11 at 15:42 +0200, Atte André Jensen wrote: Yes, if you're used to (and have spent hours learning) an app that does all you want, why would you want to learn another one, with a different design philosophy and different (maybe inferior) feature-set? Most people have ROI on their minds. If spending all this time learning Linux and this new app is just going to bring me to the same level of functionality that I already have, why bother?

On Sun, 2010-07-11 at 15:59 +0100, Folderol wrote: Creativity and deadlines rarely co-exist happily. Lots of chatter here and on other audio-related lists tend to indicate that for musicians, the technology should just work, and should help make things easier. With technology I'm familiar with, it does do that. With tech I'm not familiar with, it can kill creativity at the point where I need it (ie. right now) for the uncertain benefit of enhancing creativity in the future (ie. some undetermined time). All of which isn't a 'good' argument from the POV of solidity, but its a 'common' argument, and one that's hard to argue against when a person is really only interested in the music he makes rather than the tools he uses to make it. Else we'd all be using theremins for our recordings =). That's an impressive list =). Salutations! Ouch, that should really hurt. Stock up on the ice for post-playing cooling down (literally).

On Sunday 11 July 2010 10:22:38 Ng Oon-Ee wrote: Because your Freedom matters? all the best, drew

I switched to GNU/Linux due to philosophical views. I have said "no" to proprietary music software. But it is a very tough choice. And I sometimes see myself thinking - maybe I should give this up and just go to making music instead of configuring my system to do basic things which any of my musician friends can do in a couple of minutes. I do not expect anyone who is making a living out of music to stick to his software philosophical views. In fact, if at any point in time the abilities of linux software will not allow me to play my gigs, I would have to switch over to a proprietary solution. At the moment what saves me is that for most of the time I do ambient music and capabilities of linux audio are very good for that. -- Louigi Verona http://www.louigiverona.ru/

On Tuesday 13 July 2010 11:19:11 Ng Oon-Ee wrote: I don't care to make a choice for someone else whether their freedom is worth more to them than their bottomline is. They can do that for themselves. I don't even particularly want to argue the point and especially not once removed or more. When you are in this position and your freedom still matters to you it might be time to devote a certain percentage of your bottomline or even your revenue to funding (and perhaps giving other support to) something that is Free and will work for you so that when it is ready, you will have the choice. all the best, drew

Arnold Krille wrote: In an earlier life as a computer consultant, I used to do fixes on Windows systems of various vintages. I don't do much of that at all anymore. I'm starting to adopt the idea that a friend of mine uses when Windows users ask him to fix their virus problem: "I'll install Linux for you for free, or you can go to SuperGeeks and pay them $120 to fix your Windows system." He's gotten a LOT of takers, even including 80+year-olds who are now happily browsing web and reading email using Linux. Yah, I'm agnostic about that, too. I will still fix someone's Windows problem, and really love expanding people's minds, even if it's about how to do something in Word or Excel or even Powerpoint. A good teacher can overcome any handicap! ;-) Fortunately for me, my employer has a whole department full of people who go around fixing problems with the corporate Windows PCs and servers. Well, they still haven't fixed the problem on my company laptop, where the Windows update process just hangs saying that it's "Preparing to install" a list of security update that it has already installed, but I don't have to wrestle with that kind of stuff now! -- David gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community

On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Andrew C <countfuzzball(a)gmail.com> wrote: In my case I don't bring any of this up anymore because I just stick with whatever native OS an app is developed for. I have multiple machines, Linux for Ardour mainly along with lots of plugins, but Windows XP machines for GSt and Acid Pro. All the machines are linked with ADAT optical and it's pretty much a non-issue. I've collected 4 machines over the years as I've upgraded to newer hardware. However these old machines are still as good and as fast as they ever were so GSt runs on it's own machine, Acid Pro on another. I only turn them on when I need them. Ardour remains the center of my limited use of Linux, not because of Ardour being in any way limited but rather just because I'm doing so little music anymore. There's room for all the OS's under the table. (Where my machines sit...) - Mark

On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 12:56 PM, rosea grammostola <rosea.grammostola(a)gmail.com> wrote: Yes, they interact. Guitar Rig is running under Win XP. I am playing my guitar. Guitar Rig processes the sound and the output is sent to my Linux soundcard via an ADAT optical cable. Jack sends the audio to Ardour where it is recorded. GigaStudio is running under Win XP. I play an external keyboard. MIDI goes to Windows, GSt makes sounds which are sent to Ardour for recording. Sometimes, but not often because I don't really feel creative when working with MIDI data, Rosegarden is running, MIDI goes to Windows where synths makes sounds which is recorded by Ardour in Linux. Acid Pro is running under Win 7. I develop a song idea using loops. Audio is sent to Ardour for recording. Even in this mode I seldom 'listen' to Windows. I almost always send the output to Linux where it goes to studio monitors or headphones. Ardour plays sounds previously recorded. I create a sub bus which is output from the Linux machine over an ADAT optical cable. Windows XP receives the audio & routes it to a software reverb. (VST) The output is sent back to Ardour for recording. Keep in mind that all sound cards in all computers are sync'ed via Word Clock, optical ADAT or spdif. Typically these days, because I am doing so little writing and recording for the last 2-3 years, I just use Linux for Ardour and most everything else is done in Windows where the interfaces are more polished and just faster and easier for _me_ to use. I don't suggest that _all_ Windows programs are better, although in my opinion the samplers (GSt, Kontact) are far ahead. Linux soft synths are quite good if you are adept at the development model. However please keep in mind that I am _not_ as sys admin, I am _not_ a programmer, and I do not particularly like to tinker with computers any more so I'm focused on what ever seems easiest to me at the time. I am _not_ trying to look for the best solution - something I think lots of people reading this list do - but more one that simply works easily for me. Hope this helps! Cheers, Mark

On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 04:55:56PM -0400, Rob wrote: What was it you were trying to do?