24 Feb
2006
24 Feb
'06
7:17 a.m.
i'm think to switch from mandriva to a more specific distribution for
audio with linux. so i would like to try demudi.
does demudi need any kind of configuration after his installation
process (like kernel patch, etc. etc.) or it is yet well configured by
default?
and what about planetCCRMA?
what is for you the best between demudi and planetCCRMA?
thanx
bye
emanuele
24 Feb
24 Feb
7:22 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: info about demudi
DeMuDi is EXTREMELY well organized and the only kind of configuring
needed is the installing of packages.
However, it's recently been facing a few organizational challenges and
is a bit slowly updated right now.
Audio God Paul Davis uses planet CCRMA so you can't go completely wrong
there. Unless, of course, you frivolously decide to do things Paul Davis
is not doing.
Carlo
11:16 a.m.
venerdì, 24 febbraio 2006 alle 12:17:03, emanuele ..:: www.rumoridifondo.com ::.. ha
scritto:
i'm think to switch from mandriva to a more
specific distribution for
audio with linux. so i would like to try demudi.
does demudi need any kind of configuration after his
installation
process (like kernel patch, etc. etc.) or it is yet well configured by
default?
It should be "ready to rock" out of the box, apart from hw or
installation problems. Putting some simple lines into your sources.list
let you access the full debian repository (and you definitely want this)
and what about planetCCRMA?
Excellent package too. Once installed on top of fedora should be fully
functional and requires no additional configuration too.
what is for you the best between demudi and
planetCCRMA?
I've some experience on both, I've used for three years the planet on a
Red hat 8.0 installation, then switched to DeMuDi.
DeMuDi has its own install cdrom, while planetCCRMA runs on top of
fedora. I changed mostly because I like more debian than red hat, I
think that dist-upgrades are better handled by debian, and that in
general you get a more maintenable system over the years. However,
debian has its own perversions, and if you want to be "stable" you are
left a bit behind the "bleeding edge". I've found easier to compile
things from sources on debian than in red hat (once you learn a little
apt-voodoo ;) - but this can be just me...
On the other side, I admit that Fedora/RedHat + planetCCRMA can be
easier to get into for a newbie or a person coming from windows and not
wanting to read too much manuals. The planet also has more packages
than DeMuDi (video packages, for example, or the "common" suite: clm,
cm, cmn). Some object to the "user friendly" argument (see for example
Tim's newbie story: http://demudi.agnula.org/wiki/NewbieStory)
Speaking of applications, you get a very similar experience since our
beloved sofwares run the same wathever the distribution, it's mostly a
matter of choosing what system you like more.For example fedora
is more oriented towards GUI tools for system administration, debian is
more text based.
The short answer is: the best one is the one you like more :)
The problem is that you don't know it in advance :)
So, I suggest to try them both :)
thanx
bye
emanuele
Ciao
PS: and oh, very very very big BIG thanks to Fernando Pablo Lopez
Lezcano adn Free Ekanayaka, the people behind these two great
projects.
PPS: and no, DEMuDi isn't dead, there's a lot of activity going on on
the debian-multimedia mailing list (because DeMuDi is _not_ a different
thing than debian) and things are getting interesting...
--
Emiliano Grilli
Linux user #209089
http://www.emillo.net
1:10 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: info about demudi
PPS: and no, DEMuDi isn't dead, there's a lot
of activity going on on
the debian-multimedia mailing list (because DeMuDi is _not_ a different
thing than debian) and things are getting interesting...
Heh, now THAT's good news. Actually I shouldn't be surprised since all
the audio apps were already there when I switched to plain Debian
Testing with only kernel and PAM custom.
Carlo
2:02 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: info about demudi
On 2/24/06, Carlo Capocasa <capocasa(a)gmx.net> wrote:
That is great news, for sure!
PPS: and no, DEMuDi isn't dead, there's a
lot of activity going on on
the debian-multimedia mailing list (because DeMuDi is _not_ a different
thing than debian) and things are getting interesting...
Heh, now THAT's good news. Actually I shouldn't be surprised since all
the audio apps were already there when I switched to plain Debian
Testing with only kernel and PAM custom.
Carlo From the list of apps that I've collected, these
don't appear to be in
debian yet:
-aeolus
-ceres
-ceres3
-dssi-vst
-freecycle
-gmorgan
-hexter
-jdelay
-kaconnect
-linuxsampler
-mx44
-om
-omins
-qamix
-qarecord
-qmidiarp
-qmidicontrol
-qmidiroute
-qsampler
-smack
-vcf-plugins
-xsynth-dssi
I realize that dssi-vst probably won't end up in debian at all because
of licensing, but weren't some of those in DeMuDi?
Out of curiousity, what apps do you use in place of them, especially
ones like linuxsampler or qmidiarp?
It's only a matter of time before debian ships with rlimits-aware PAM.
Dana
25 Feb
25 Feb
12:24 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: info about demudi
Oh, sorry for the misinformation. I don't use any of these except Om,
Smack and VCF, which I believe are not in DeMuDi.
Carlo
-aeolus
-ceres
-ceres3
-dssi-vst
-freecycle
-gmorgan
-hexter
-jdelay
-kaconnect
-linuxsampler
-mx44
-om
-omins
-qamix
-qarecord
-qmidiarp
-qmidicontrol
-qmidiroute
-qsampler
-smack
-vcf-plugins
-xsynth-dssi
10:47 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: info about demudi
On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 at 13:02 -0500, Dana Olson wrote:
On 2/24/06, Carlo Capocasa <capocasa(a)gmx.net>
wrote:
That is great news, for sure!
Of that list I use aeolus and hexter, and I know they weren't in demudi.
AFAIK most of the demudi packages have made their way into debian by now
and demudi is mostly glue code. You can look for yourself at the demudi
custom repo which has the demudi-specific packages. See for example
http://apt.agnula.org/custom/dists/etch/main/binary-i386/Packages
Looks like dssi-vst, gmorgan, linuxsampler, and qsampler are in the
custom repo as well.
PPS: and no, DEMuDi isn't dead, there's a
lot of activity going on on
the debian-multimedia mailing list (because DeMuDi is _not_ a different
thing than debian) and things are getting interesting...
Heh, now THAT's good news. Actually I shouldn't be surprised since all
the audio apps were already there when I switched to plain Debian
Testing with only kernel and PAM custom.
Carlo From the list of apps that I've collected,
these don't appear to be in
debian yet:
-aeolus
-ceres
-ceres3
-dssi-vst
-freecycle
-gmorgan
-hexter
-jdelay
-kaconnect
-linuxsampler
-mx44
-om
-omins
-qamix
-qarecord
-qmidiarp
-qmidicontrol
-qmidiroute
-qsampler
-smack
-vcf-plugins
-xsynth-dssi
I realize that dssi-vst probably won't end up in debian at all because
of licensing, but weren't some of those in DeMuDi? Out of curiousity, what apps do you use in place of
them, especially
ones like linuxsampler or qmidiarp?
Well these days running demudi means having demudi in your sources.list
(and installing demudi fresh, if you're not already entrenched). So I
have the demudi packages as well as the plethora of debian ones. But
some I have to compile by hand. As I have experience with making debian
packages I usually decide whether to use the source version or make a
package. Usually it's easier for me to just use the source.
It's only a matter of time before debian ships
with rlimits-aware PAM.
In fact the PAM maintainer is aware of it and is in the middle of
maintenance mode on the package, so he's planning to wait to put in the
rlimits patch until he packages a new upstream version. If you want to
see it sooner do feel free to make your voice heard. Package maintainers
are generally more responsive than congressmen, although they can also
be a bit more stubborn. :)
Some demudi packages are probably only waiting for some TLC before being
put into debian. Demudi wasn't as adherent to debian policy, in the
spirit of being more agile and getting people what they wanted quicker.
Some of the packages in that custom list just need things like proper
control files and other policy basics before they can be put in
Debian. Others will of course have license issues. It's not hard to get
the basics of debian packaging under your belt and start contributing.
Read the debian new maintainers guide and see what you can do.
--
Hans Fugal ; http://hans.fugal.net
There's nothing remarkable about it. All one has to do is hit the
right keys at the right time and the instrument plays itself.
-- Johann Sebastian Bach
12:19 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: info about demudi
On 2/25/06, Hans Fugal <hans(a)fugal.net> wrote:
Well, I'm not going to bug the debian maintainers, as I don't run
debian on my desktop, I run Ubuntu, which already has the patch in
PAM. If the debian maintainer is packaging a new upstream, then he
won't have to patch it, as 0.79 was the last version of PAM that
didn't have the rtprio limit in it. And, I think the latest version of
PAM is 0.99.3.
It's only
a matter of time before debian ships with rlimits-aware PAM.
In fact the PAM maintainer is aware of it and is in the middle of
maintenance mode on the package, so he's planning to wait to put in the
rlimits patch until he packages a new upstream version. If you want to
see it sooner do feel free to make your voice heard. Package maintainers
are generally more responsive than congressmen, although they can also
be a bit more stubborn. :) Some demudi packages are probably only waiting for
some TLC before being
put into debian. Demudi wasn't as adherent to debian policy, in the
spirit of being more agile and getting people what they wanted quicker.
Some of the packages in that custom list just need things like proper
control files and other policy basics before they can be put in
Debian. Others will of course have license issues. It's not hard to get
the basics of debian packaging under your belt and start contributing.
Read the debian new maintainers guide and see what you can do.
I do already know how to package
(https://launchpad.net/people/adolson/+packages) although I only
started on Feb. 10th. What you say about some of the DeMuDi packages
is true.
Dana
4 Mar
4 Mar
8:40 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: info about demudi
Hi,
I'm only reading this list very infrequently,
That is great news, for sure!
But thanks for a list of potential packages to work on for Debian :)
Cc'ing this mail to debian-multimedia, to see if some of these
packages are ready for inclusion.
regards,
junichi
--
dancer(a){debian.org,netfort.gr.jp} Debian Project
From the list of apps that I've collected,
these don't appear to be in
debian yet:
-aeolus
-ceres
-ceres3
-dssi-vst
-freecycle
-gmorgan
-hexter
-jdelay
-kaconnect
-linuxsampler
-mx44
-om
-omins
-qamix
-qarecord
-qmidiarp
-qmidicontrol
-qmidiroute
-qsampler
-smack
-vcf-plugins
-xsynth-dssi 
9:41 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: info about demudi
On Sat, Mar 04, 2006 at 09:40:37PM +0900, Junichi Uekawa wrote:
> > From the list of apps that I've
collected, these don't appear to be in
>
> debian yet:
> -aeolus
> ...
But thanks for a list of potential packages to work on
for Debian :)
Cc'ing this mail to debian-multimedia, to see if
some of these
packages are ready for inclusion.
As to Aeolus, the current official release isn't really fit for
binary release as a working installation requires installing things
in the user's home directory.
In the next release (to be expected just before LAC2006), this
will be taken care of.
--
FA
11:17 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: info about demudi
Hi all,
|--==> Junichi Uekawa writes:
JU> Hi,
JU> I'm only reading this list very infrequently,
>That is great news, for sure!
>
>>From the list of apps that I've collected, these don't appear to be in
>debian yet:
Some of them are distribuited outside Debian:
>-dssi-vst
>-gmorgan
>-linuxsampler
>-qsampler
deb http://archive.64studio.com/ custom main
>-freecycle
deb http://piem.org/debian i386/
JU> Cc'ing this mail to debian-multimedia, to see if some of these
JU> packages are ready for inclusion.
With some work I think the could all be uploaded the official
repository, except perhaps linuxsampler, whose license is problematic.
Cheers,
Free
3:51 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: info about demudi
On 3/4/06, Free Ekanayaka <free(a)agnula.org> wrote:
Hi all,
|--==> Junichi Uekawa writes:
JU> Hi,
JU> I'm only reading this list very infrequently,
I have packaged these for Ubuntu Dapper. If someone wants to take them
and modify them for Debian, that would be awesome.
KAConnect
QAMix
QARecord
QMidiArp
QMidiControl
QMidiRoute
Om
Mx44
Jdelay
VCF LADSAP Plugins
gmorgan
Qsampler
Omins
A couple of them are based on packages by others (Mx44, for example,
is based on Willem van Engen's package), but I had to make a lot of
modifications to have them included into Ubuntu.
Dana
>That is great news, for sure!
>
>>From the list of apps that I've collected, these don't appear to be in
>debian yet:
Some of them are distribuited outside Debian:
>-dssi-vst
>-gmorgan
>-linuxsampler
>-qsampler
deb http://archive.64studio.com/ custom main
>-freecycle
deb http://piem.org/debian i386/
JU> Cc'ing this mail to debian-multimedia, to see if some of these
JU> packages are ready for inclusion.
With some work I think the could all be uploaded the official
repository, except perhaps linuxsampler, whose license is problematic. 
5 Mar
5 Mar
4:16 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: info about demudi
On Sat, Mar 04, 2006 at 02:51:32PM -0500, Dana Olson wrote:
On 3/4/06, Free Ekanayaka <free(a)agnula.org>
wrote:
Is there a URL for your source debs?
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Hi all,
I have packaged these for Ubuntu
Dapper. If someone wants to take them
and modify them for Debian, that would be awesome.
KAConnect
QAMix
QARecord
QMidiArp
QMidiControl
QMidiRoute
Om
Mx44
Jdelay
VCF LADSAP Plugins
gmorgan
Qsampler
Omins
A couple of them are based on packages by others (Mx44, for example,
is based on Willem van Engen's package), but I had to make a lot of
modifications to have them included into Ubuntu. 
24 Feb
24 Feb
2:23 p.m.
Hello been lurking here for a while and just thought
I'd pop in here for some helpful advice.
I have now installed Demudi several times and would
have to say it works out of the box for sure.
However as "Demudi" that is where it stops as Demudi.
Note I have no knowledge of the continuing development
of the distro but I have yet to accomplish a
straightforward upgrade. I get nothing from their
repository and if you attempt an upgrade while X is
running you will end up with some issues that are
seemingly not "easy" to resolve.
Some of the libraries that are part of the upgrade
will make the default window manager unusable. A good
example is libc6 ends up having issues with locale
settings (which may be simple for some) and others
cannot be upgraded while the X server is running.
I have found that if you set your repositories to
debian and init 1 and run apt-get from there it will
work. For now I have found the activity around the
"planet" is far more progessive than that of Demudi.
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venerdì, 24 febbraio 2006 alle 12:17:03, emanuele
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i'm think to switch from mandriva to a more
specific distribution for
audio with linux. so i would like to try demudi.
does demudi need any kind of configuration after
his installation
process (like kernel patch, etc. etc.) or it is
yet well configured by
default?
It should be "ready to rock" out of the box, apart
from hw or
installation problems. Putting some simple lines
into your sources.list
let you access the full debian repository (and you
definitely want this)
and what about planetCCRMA?
Excellent package too. Once installed on top of
fedora should be fully
functional and requires no additional configuration
too.
what is for you the best between demudi and
planetCCRMA?
I've some experience on both, I've used for three
years the planet on a
Red hat 8.0 installation, then switched to DeMuDi.
DeMuDi has its own install cdrom, while planetCCRMA
runs on top of
fedora. I changed mostly because I like more debian
than red hat, I
think that dist-upgrades are better handled by
debian, and that in
general you get a more maintenable system over the
years. However,
debian has its own perversions, and if you want to
be "stable" you are
left a bit behind the "bleeding edge". I've found
easier to compile
things from sources on debian than in red hat (once
you learn a little
apt-voodoo ;) - but this can be just me...
On the other side, I admit that Fedora/RedHat +
planetCCRMA can be
easier to get into for a newbie or a person coming
from windows and not
wanting to read too much manuals. The planet also
has more packages
than DeMuDi (video packages, for example, or the
"common" suite: clm,
cm, cmn). Some object to the "user friendly"
argument (see for example
Tim's newbie story:
http://demudi.agnula.org/wiki/NewbieStory)
Speaking of applications, you get a very similar
experience since our
beloved sofwares run the same wathever the
distribution, it's mostly a
matter of choosing what system you like more.For
example fedora
is more oriented towards GUI tools for system
administration, debian is
more text based.
The short answer is: the best one is the one you
like more :)
The problem is that you don't know it in advance :)
So, I suggest to try them both :)
thanx
bye
emanuele
Ciao
PS: and oh, very very very big BIG thanks to
Fernando Pablo Lopez
Lezcano adn Free Ekanayaka, the people behind these
two great
projects.
PPS: and no, DEMuDi isn't dead, there's a lot of
activity going on on
the debian-multimedia mailing list (because DeMuDi
is _not_ a different
thing than debian) and things are getting
interesting...
--
Emiliano Grilli
Linux user #209089
http://www.emillo.net
5:01 p.m.
james scott wrote:
Hello been lurking here for a while and just thought
I'd pop in here for some helpful advice.
I have now installed Demudi several times and would
have to say it works out of the box for sure.
However as "Demudi" that is where it stops as Demudi.
Note I have no knowledge of the continuing development
of the distro but I have yet to accomplish a
straightforward upgrade. I get nothing from their
repository and if you attempt an upgrade while X is
running you will end up with some issues that are
seemingly not "easy" to resolve.
Some of the libraries that are part of the upgrade
will make the default window manager unusable. A good
example is libc6 ends up having issues with locale
settings (which may be simple for some) and others
cannot be upgraded while the X server is running.
I have found that if you set your repositories to
debian and init 1 and run apt-get from there it will
work. For now I have found the activity around the
"planet" is far more progessive than that of Demudi.
Help may be available and problems reported via the mailing list
http://lists.agnula.org/mailman/listinfo/users
There is also a ticketing system for bugs reports/problems at
http://demudi.agnula.org/newticket
robin
27 Feb
27 Feb
7:59 p.m.
emanuele ..:: www.rumoridifondo.com ::.. wrote:
i'm think to switch from mandriva to a more
specific distribution for
audio with linux. so i would like to try demudi.
does demudi need any kind of configuration after his installation
process (like kernel patch, etc. etc.) or it is yet well configured by
default?
A/DeMuDi is configured for making music by default. Exactly how well is
slightly hardware-dependent.
and what about planetCCRMA?
what is for you the best between demudi and planetCCRMA?
I've been using DeMuDi for 3 years and I'm deeply biased. It ultimately
depends on whether you prefer the Debian or Fedora way of doing things.
DeMuDi is very GNOME/Fluxbox oriented, KDE and VST support is probably
better with Planet CCRMA, I would have thought the latter would seem
more familiar coming from Mandriva. Ubuntu Dapper looks like it's going
to come with full mutlimedia support. DeMuDi rules as far as I'm concerned.
cheers,
tim hall
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