On Thu, 3 Dec 2015 09:39:47 -0700 Bob van der Poel <bob(a)mellowood.ca> wrote: Hi Bob :) We can already do that (always have been able to), but that is a fixed detune. Play the same note repeatedly on the badly tuned 'piano' and it will be just as badly tuned every time. This idea doesn't really work with piano type instruments, as every time you hit the same note it will be slightly different. It should work well with a solo violin. -- It wasn't me! (Well actually, it probably was) ... the hard part is not dodging what life throws at you, but trying to catch the good bits.

Hi, I guess it's a useful feature, but it's not entirely true that it's a seldom provided feature. It's possible to use a slow LFO that affects the pitch a little bit, assumed it doesn't start in the same position each time a key is touched. Regards, Ralf

On Thu, 3 Dec 2015 21:05:12 +0000, Will Godfrey wrote: I understand this and it could be useful, but often there unlikely will be a noticeable difference, since the LFO should be really slow and the detuning should be minimal. Unclean intonation of instruments isn't fixed either, but changes after a while, for e.g. fretted string instruments after you pushed a string on a fret or after the attack of a string finished. Usually just different kinds of portamento or pitch envelops without random are used by synth to archive this, regarding the interaction with other instruments, it likely isn't noticeable that the pitch doesn't change randomly. However, the higher the value of the detune becomes, the more noticeable is the difference between different methods to archive this and depending to the tempo the kind that is used to change the pitch matters too. If you don't care about the instruments intonation, but about the ability of a musician, to e.g. play a fretless string instrument, then the pitch usually gets corrected during the attack or right after the attack too. For string instruments with frets, the inaccuracy regarding the warp of the wood at different room temperatures does cause more fixed detuning, than random detuning caused regarding other issues. Open played and played at the 12 fret everything might be ok, but in the middle, those instruments are bad-tempered. In short, as long as just minimal detuning is used, there often isn't much noticeable difference between notes that randomly change the pitch each time they are played and while they keep this during sustain and ways where the of "detune" moves, especially because the sampled sound per se might change it's pitch a little bit and because tone colour and timing vary too. Real humans often play more accurate, than human touch features of synth and drum machines ;). I noticed that more important then timing and tuning, is the release time of sampled sounds or synth sounds that are imitations of real instruments. The attack and sustain/loops often sound very realistic, timing and pitch is often much realistic, but regarding the way the sound is played, the release (fade out) sounds unnatural or much unnatural, but seldom it sounds as a natural instrument. Regards, Ralf -- http://www.grundgesetz-gratis.de/