9 Dec
2004
9 Dec
'04
9:11 a.m.
Hi Paul,
Before I say anything depressing and express my
frustration, please take to heart how much I
appreciate what you're doing. Ardour is an incredible
accomplishment and I view it as an enourmous act of
generosity.
I know you're trying to release 1.0 and start the
GKT2.0 port at the new year. I have had enough serious
problems with Ardour that I don't see how that's
possible. Maybe my perspective is very narrow and I
can't see beyound the issues that I run into. It's
just that I keep running into problems that are
intolerable to most guys like me (pro engineers).
I have to share a personal frustration with you that
affects my attitude for trying to help with Ardour.
Because I am not a developer nobody will ever know
that I have made a contribution. I feel insignificant,
overlooked or unappreciated. How can I say that when
everytime an issue arises you're there to help.
If a developer contributes a couple bug fixes, that
person recieves recognition by being listed in the
developers section of the About dialog. Yet their
effort seems miniscule when compared to mine. The way
I read this is if you're not a developer, then in the
Ardour world you're nobody. I don't know if there's
any other way to interpret this. From my perspective,
it seems accurate. Ultimately the result is a loss of
motivation.
I'm glad Doug, aka Nostar, is around these days
because Ardour needs someone to discover, report and
request fixes.
Maybe your reaction to this letter is "go blow
yourself." Given what I imagine to be your own
frustrations, I sure wouldn't blame you for responding
that way.
There's a couple more things I want to say to express
my appreciation but I have to start my day.
ron
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9 Dec
9 Dec
9:44 a.m.
Because I am not a developer nobody will ever know
that I have made a contribution. I feel insignificant,
overlooked or unappreciated. How can I say that when
everytime an issue arises you're there to help.
Check the contributors file in the documentation section of ardour
package.
Also check:
http://www.ardour.org/community.html
Marek
10:23 a.m.
Well, I didn't mean for this letter to be sent to this
list. Oh well, no biggie. Maybe it's a good place to
send a letter like this.
ron
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Because I am not a developer nobody will ever
know
that I have made a contribution. I feel
insignificant,
overlooked or unappreciated. How can I say that
when
everytime an issue arises you're there to
help.
Check the contributors file in the documentation
section of ardour
package.
Also check:
http://www.ardour.org/community.html
Marek
1:38 p.m.
R Parker wrote:
Hi Paul,
Before I say anything depressing and express my
frustration, please take to heart how much I
appreciate what you're doing. Ardour is an incredible
accomplishment and I view it as an enourmous act of
generosity.
I know you're trying to release 1.0 and start the
GKT2.0 port at the new year. I have had enough serious
problems with Ardour that I don't see how that's
possible. Maybe my perspective is very narrow and I
can't see beyound the issues that I run into. It's
just that I keep running into problems that are
intolerable to most guys like me (pro engineers).
I have to share a personal frustration with you that
affects my attitude for trying to help with Ardour.
Because I am not a developer nobody will ever know
that I have made a contribution. I feel insignificant,
overlooked or unappreciated. How can I say that when
everytime an issue arises you're there to help.
If a developer contributes a couple bug fixes, that
person recieves recognition by being listed in the
developers section of the About dialog. Yet their
effort seems miniscule when compared to mine. The way
I read this is if you're not a developer, then in the
Ardour world you're nobody. I don't know if there's
any other way to interpret this. From my perspective,
it seems accurate. Ultimately the result is a loss of
motivation.
I'm glad Doug, aka Nostar, is around these days
because Ardour needs someone to discover, report and
request fixes.
Maybe your reaction to this letter is "go blow
yourself." Given what I imagine to be your own
frustrations, I sure wouldn't blame you for responding
that way.
There's a couple more things I want to say to express
my appreciation but I have to start my day.
ron
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Not to make light of this...clearly you have issue(s)...
If Paul's response was indeed "go blow yourself", I for one would think
the execution of that act alone would warrant noteworthy mention! And
photographs??? :) Apart from that I will not speak for an individual
whom is totally capable of responding himself...
I also saw your name mentioned on the Ardour.org contributors page in a
very favorable light; I'm not a pro audio engineer for revenue purposes
but I do let folks know when I think somethings broke! And MY name is
not mentioned anywhere?? Is the magnitude of importance of a
"Professional engineer" in this development stage of Ardour THAT much
more important than say ...just us little people that use it in live
performance settings for example? And additonally, I had not a clue who
you where or what you did. In my mind, that mention put you on my
map...for whatever thats worth. ( I may get a Million dollar grant one
day and ask you to spend it all on recording with Ardour....you don't
ever know)
I have always considered your comments and contributions here worthwhile
and credible and your demeanor appears professional at the least...this,
and forgive me if I misunderstand...I have just dealt with a major
vehicle accident in the family and been up all night...seems to detract
from that status...it is not my intent to judge.
Again, I am reminded of the awesome differences in Open source vs
others. Here, because no ones getting paid, there is no "you owe me pay
up son bitch" teeth to any circumstance so participants must deal
diplomatically....sort of the United Nations of software if you will. :)
Now it has been said the United Nations is next to useless...toothless,
whatever. I don't think so. Why?? Because EVERYONES opinion should be
considered important at some level so long as it's relevant to the topic
at hand.
Just food for thought. I'm going to bed!!!
Sincerely,
R~
3:13 p.m.
>can't see beyound the issues that I run into.
It's
>just that I keep running into problems that are
>intolerable to most guys like me (pro engineers).
to sort of take this another direction, what specifically ARE those issues
that you as a pro engineer find intolerable? I'm just curious to know where
my experience and yours match. I am also a pro engineer but I don't do
commercial recording really anymore - I'm using Ardour in my label's small
studio in my house, which is growing, and growing around Ardour - I pretty
much make it clear by always harping on it that I don't think it's ready for
commercial use - not that I'm not overjoyed by it - god the whole existance
of ardour and linux audio in general at all has taken my little project from
here to SUPERTHERE in a flash, it's just crazy
but anyway I'm curious what your issues are - I want to help with the
solving of them, and the only way I really can help right now is keep
bringing them up and sort of just discussing it however i can since my
programming skills aren't nearly where they'd need to be to contribute
code...
the contributers site does indeed mention you in a prominent fasion and says
you were one of the first initiators of MTC and MMC functionality - that's
my biggest crusade on Ardour - where are you on that? have you had any
successful sync experiences?
9:44 p.m.
Hi Russell,
I'm just getting in from a long day of work and read
your letter. Thank you for the reply. My enthusiasm
and appreciation for all things Linux audio is not
going to change at all. Well, I don't want to talk
about my position right now.
I'm sorry to hear about the car accident. I hope you
and your family are OK given the circumstances. I know
there isn't anything I can say to comfort you except
that I always read your posts on this list and
appreciate your contribution.
ron
--- Russell Hanaghan <hanaghan(a)starband.net> wrote:
R Parker wrote:
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Hi Paul,
Before I say anything depressing and express my
frustration, please take to heart how much I
appreciate what you're doing. Ardour is an
incredible
accomplishment and I view it as an enourmous act
of
generosity.
I know you're trying to release 1.0 and start the
GKT2.0 port at the new year. I have had enough
serious
problems with Ardour that I don't see how
that's
possible. Maybe my perspective is very narrow and I
can't see beyound the issues that I run into. It's
just that I keep running into problems that are
intolerable to most guys like me (pro engineers).
I have to share a personal frustration with you
that
affects my attitude for trying to help with
Ardour.
Because I am not a developer nobody will ever know
that I have made a contribution. I feel
insignificant,
overlooked or unappreciated. How can I say that
when
everytime an issue arises you're there to
help.
If a developer contributes a couple bug fixes, that
person recieves recognition by being listed in the
developers section of the About dialog. Yet their
effort seems miniscule when compared to mine. The
way
I read this is if you're not a developer, then
in
the
Ardour world you're nobody. I don't know
if there's
any other way to interpret this. From my
perspective,
it seems accurate. Ultimately the result is a loss
of
motivation.
I'm glad Doug, aka Nostar, is around these days
because Ardour needs someone to discover, report
and
request fixes.
Maybe your reaction to this letter is "go blow
yourself." Given what I imagine to be your own
frustrations, I sure wouldn't blame you for
responding
that way.
There's a couple more things I want to say to
express
my appreciation but I have to start my day.
ron
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Not to make light of this...clearly you have
issue(s)...
If Paul's response was indeed "go blow yourself", I
for one would think
the execution of that act alone would warrant
noteworthy mention! And
photographs??? :) Apart from that I will not speak
for an individual
whom is totally capable of responding himself...
I also saw your name mentioned on the Ardour.org
contributors page in a
very favorable light; I'm not a pro audio engineer
for revenue purposes
but I do let folks know when I think somethings
broke! And MY name is
not mentioned anywhere?? Is the magnitude of
importance of a
"Professional engineer" in this development stage of
Ardour THAT much
more important than say ...just us little people
that use it in live
performance settings for example? And additonally, I
had not a clue who
you where or what you did. In my mind, that mention
put you on my
map...for whatever thats worth. ( I may get a
Million dollar grant one
day and ask you to spend it all on recording with
Ardour....you don't
ever know)
I have always considered your comments and
contributions here worthwhile
and credible and your demeanor appears professional
at the least...this,
and forgive me if I misunderstand...I have just
dealt with a major
vehicle accident in the family and been up all
night...seems to detract
from that status...it is not my intent to judge.
Again, I am reminded of the awesome differences in
Open source vs
others. Here, because no ones getting paid, there is
no "you owe me pay
up son bitch" teeth to any circumstance so
participants must deal
diplomatically....sort of the United Nations of
software if you will. :)
Now it has been said the United Nations is next to
useless...toothless,
whatever. I don't think so. Why?? Because EVERYONES
opinion should be
considered important at some level so long as it's
relevant to the topic
at hand.
Just food for thought. I'm going to bed!!!
Sincerely,
R~
10:53 p.m.
R Parker wrote:
Hi Russell,
I'm just getting in from a long day of work and read
your letter. Thank you for the reply. My enthusiasm
and appreciation for all things Linux audio is not
going to change at all. Well, I don't want to talk
about my position right now.
I'm sorry to hear about the car accident. I hope you
and your family are OK given the circumstances. I know
there isn't anything I can say to comfort you except
that I always read your posts on this list and
appreciate your contribution.
ron
--- Russell Hanaghan <hanaghan(a)starband.net> wrote:
Hey Ron,
No problem! No one died...although how I don't know!!! My nephew was not
wearing a seat belt and he was thrown thru the winsheild of a small
japanese import after rolling several times at about 65 mph as we
understand it...Unbeleivably, he has not broken bone one!!! He is a sore
son bitch though and I can't wait untill he's better so I can beat him
to death!!! His sister was straped in and has severe whiplash and they
are both cut and bruised. They were on their way to a funeral...almost
their own(??) Take stock in this...without a big ol' diatribe...there
~ARE~ most definatley angels watching over us! Thank you sincerely for
your well wishes. It is appreciated. THings like this really help me to
place life in perspective again; we are here for a short time and we
should truly embrace what we have and be thankful for the world in which
we live and all we have gained from it.
On the other note...the relevant topic indeed...I do hope whatever your
issue is will be resolved and if I can assist in any way it would be my
pleasure. We have some awesome audio tools that are approaching
reliabilty comprable to that of their propriatory competitors; and the
flexibilty is far beyond in terms of the "modifying under the hood" to
quote Pauls analogy. Furthermore, we have an incredible close knit
community of people that barely know each other for the most part (I'm
actually an axe weilding, homocidal maniac in real life BTW :) ) that
get along unlike any other forum, support board or the like in the
"other" worlds. And it is one of the very few unadulterated things in
life not affected directly by money, revenues, etc. That just makes it
plain freakin' neato~ Yes...Neato! Groovy...Narly, bitchin' , super,
etc. It's nice to know we are all appreciated in some way no matter how
we contribute... {Group hug goes here~} and theres nothing wrong with
raising that flag up the pole once in awhile either. But if you know you
helped, even if it is not acknowledged in open forum, sleep well friend.
YOU know!
R~
R Parker wrote:
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Hi Paul,
Before I say anything depressing and express my
frustration, please take to heart how much I
appreciate what you're doing. Ardour is an
incredible
accomplishment and I view it as an enourmous act
of
generosity.
I know you're trying to release 1.0 and start the
GKT2.0 port at the new year. I have had enough
serious
problems with Ardour that I don't see how
that's
possible. Maybe my perspective is very narrow and I
can't see beyound the issues that I run into. It's
just that I keep running into problems that are
intolerable to most guys like me (pro engineers).
I have to share a personal frustration with you
that
affects my attitude for trying to help with
Ardour.
Because I am not a developer nobody will ever know
that I have made a contribution. I feel
insignificant,
overlooked or unappreciated. How can I say that
when
everytime an issue arises you're there to
help.
If a developer contributes a couple bug fixes, that
person recieves recognition by being listed in the
developers section of the About dialog. Yet their
effort seems miniscule when compared to mine. The
way
I read this is if you're not a developer, then
in
the
Ardour world you're nobody. I don't know
if there's
any other way to interpret this. From my
perspective,
it seems accurate. Ultimately the result is a
loss
of
motivation.
I'm glad Doug, aka Nostar, is around these days
because Ardour needs someone to discover, report
and
request fixes.
Maybe your reaction to this letter is "go blow
yourself." Given what I imagine to be your own
frustrations, I sure wouldn't blame you for
responding
that way.
There's a couple more things I want to say to
express
my appreciation but I have to start my day.
ron
__________________________________
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All your favorites on one personal page – Try My
Yahoo!
Not to make light of this...clearly you have
issue(s)...
If Paul's response was indeed "go blow yourself", I
for one would think
the execution of that act alone would warrant
noteworthy mention! And
photographs??? :) Apart from that I will not speak
for an individual
whom is totally capable of responding himself...
I also saw your name mentioned on the Ardour.org
contributors page in a
very favorable light; I'm not a pro audio engineer
for revenue purposes
but I do let folks know when I think somethings
broke! And MY name is
not mentioned anywhere?? Is the magnitude of
importance of a
"Professional engineer" in this development stage of
Ardour THAT much
more important than say ...just us little people
that use it in live
performance settings for example? And additonally, I
had not a clue who
you where or what you did. In my mind, that mention
put you on my
map...for whatever thats worth. ( I may get a
Million dollar grant one
day and ask you to spend it all on recording with
Ardour....you don't
ever know)
I have always considered your comments and
contributions here worthwhile
and credible and your demeanor appears professional
at the least...this,
and forgive me if I misunderstand...I have just
dealt with a major
vehicle accident in the family and been up all
night...seems to detract
from that status...it is not my intent to judge.
Again, I am reminded of the awesome differences in
Open source vs
others. Here, because no ones getting paid, there is
no "you owe me pay
up son bitch" teeth to any circumstance so
participants must deal
diplomatically....sort of the United Nations of
software if you will. :)
Now it has been said the United Nations is next to
useless...toothless,
whatever. I don't think so. Why?? Because EVERYONES
opinion should be
considered important at some level so long as it's
relevant to the topic
at hand.
Just food for thought. I'm going to bed!!!
Sincerely,
R~
10 Dec
10 Dec
3:17 p.m.
On Thu, Dec 09, 2004 at 06:53:53PM -0800, Russell Hanaghan wrote:
Furthermore, we have an
incredible close knit
community of people that barely know each other for the most part (I'm
actually an axe weilding, homocidal maniac in real life BTW :) ) that
get along unlike any other forum, support board or the like in the
"other" worlds.
While I'm sure many members of the community are indeed professional axe
wielding maniacs, all the people I've met from this community face-to-face
have been unfailingly nice people to be around. I think it takes a certain
even temper and steady humours to live with linux audio's peccadilla :)
PS I dont think Paul reads this list.
PPS I always gathered (from Paul and the docs) that Ron was an important
member of the ardour community long before I encoutered him
in-the-text.
It's been a loooong day,
Steve
4:28 p.m.
Steve Harris wrote:
"While I'm sure many members of the community are indeed professional axe
wielding maniacs..."
This is funny! :)
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