10 Aug
2012
10 Aug
'12
4:09 p.m.
On Aug 10, 2012 9:47 PM, <linux-audio-user-request(a)lists.linuxaudio.org>
wrote:
The article: http://www.wolfdream.ca/article3
I'm curious... the article is long enough that I'd really prefer to read it
on my tablet, but there is some kind of funky JavaScript in it that makes
all the text disappear a couple of seconds after it displays!
Do you have a PDF or other format that is friendly toward reading equipment
other than full computer systems?
(Also worth mentioning because I expect other readers of your blog on
mobile devices may have a hard time.)
hjh
10 Aug
10 Aug
4:19 p.m.
New subject: Linux-audio-user Digest, Vol 66, Issue 14
Also, the article looks like this in Firefox 12 on non-mobile device:
http://i.imgur.com/5dz5z.png
4:23 p.m.
New subject: Linux-audio-user Digest, Vol 66, Issue 14
Hello!
I think Massy, like me, uses text based browsers only. But I'm sure, it
shouldn't be too difficult to find the javascript in question. Still, for
Massy himself the image would be without use as well. :-)
Warmly yours
Julien
050e010d0f12010401-0405-0d09-030f12011a0f0d-
Such Is Life: Very Intensely Adorable;
Free And Jubilating Amazement Revels, Dancing On - FLOWERS!
******** Find some music at ********
http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html
---------------------------------------------------------------
"If you live to be 100, I hope I live to be 95 and 37 days,
so I can be sure, there's someone at your site, who loves you."
(Not Winnie the Puh)
4:38 p.m.
New subject: Linux-audio-user Digest, Vol 66, Issue 14
I think Massy, like me, uses text based browsers
only. But I'm sure, it
shouldn't be too difficult to find the javascript in question. Still, for
Massy himself the image would be without use as well. :-)
Ah, well if you do want to fix it Massy then what the picture shows is that
div#middle aligns its left edge to the center of div#middle_outer on
Firefox 12 (with or without javascript enabled) rather than being in the
middle of it (it works on Chromium no problem).
I will read the article once I am done struggling with the alignement of
divs on my own project.
5:03 p.m.
New subject: Linux-audio-user Digest, Vol 66, Issue 14
On Fri, 2012-08-10 at 16:23 +0200, Julien Claassen wrote:
Hello!
I think Massy, like me, uses text based browsers only. But I'm sure, it
shouldn't be too difficult to find the javascript in question. Still, for
Massy himself the image would be without use as well. :-)
Warmly yours
Julien
With Firefox 14.0.1 I only need to scroll one time to the right and than
I can read the complete text without scrolling from right to left.
Regards,
Ralf
11 Aug
11 Aug
5:43 a.m.
New subject: Linux-audio-user Digest, Vol 66, Issue 14
On 08/10/2012 05:03 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Fri, 2012-08-10 at 16:23 +0200, Julien Claassen
wrote:
As someone who has designed a few websites - site visitors should never
have to scroll sideways to see anything important (like the actual
content or primary navigation) on a page.
--
David
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
http://clanjones.org/david/
http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/
Hello!
I think Massy, like me, uses text based browsers only. But I'm sure, it
shouldn't be too difficult to find the javascript in question. Still, for
Massy himself the image would be without use as well. :-)
Warmly yours
Julien
With Firefox 14.0.1 I only need to scroll one time to the right and than
I can read the complete text without scrolling from right to left.
8:10 a.m.
New subject: Linux-audio-user Digest, Vol 66, Issue 14
Hello David1
I agree, but to be honest I take slight offense as well, sincethat might as
well have been me. If you pardon my Klatchian: For fuck's sake: Massy is blind
as well and will
most cdertainly not have seen that. I don't know, on whichsystem he built. I
can only remember, thatIhad enough problems, when I first started my website.
Kind regards
Julien
050e010d0f12010401-0405-0d09-030f12011a0f0d-
Such Is Life: Very Intensely Adorable;
Free And Jubilating Amazement Revels, Dancing On - FLOWERS!
******** Find some music at ********
http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html
---------------------------------------------------------------
"If you live to be 100, I hope I live to be 95 and 37 days,
so I can be sure, there's someone at your site, who loves you."
(Not Winnie the Puh)
9:43 a.m.
New subject: Linux-audio-user Digest, Vol 66, Issue 14
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 08:11:01 +0200 (CEST)
Julien Claassen <julien(a)mail.upb.de> wrote:
Hello David1
I agree, but to be honest I take slight offense as well, sincethat might as
well have been me. If you pardon my Klatchian: For fuck's sake: Massy is blind
as well and will
most cdertainly not have seen that. I don't know, on whichsystem he built. I
can only remember, thatIhad enough problems, when I first started my website.
Kind regards
Julien
050e010d0f12010401-0405-0d09-030f12011a0f0d-
Such Is Life: Very Intensely Adorable;
Free And Jubilating Amazement Revels, Dancing On - FLOWERS!
A good point, and something I've fallen foul of myself in the past. It is very
easy for those of us with reasonably good sight to forget there are a large
number of people less fortunate.
It also works two ways. An extremely large number of websites out there are
virtually un-navigable to the blind. As a double check, when making alterations
to my own (rather simple site) I double check with styles turned off. This can
be very revealing!
--
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.
9:51 a.m.
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Hello Will!
This is great tohear. Not manypeople seem to do it. Especially for smaller
sites, this can often be enough.
Warmly yours
Julien
050e010d0f12010401-0405-0d09-030f12011a0f0d-
Such Is Life: Very Intensely Adorable;
Free And Jubilating Amazement Revels, Dancing On - FLOWERS!
******** Find some music at ********
http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html
---------------------------------------------------------------
"If you live to be 100, I hope I live to be 95 and 37 days,
so I can be sure, there's someone at your site, who loves you."
(Not Winnie the Puh)
6:04 p.m.
New subject: Linux-audio-user Digest, Vol 66, Issue 14
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 08:43:14AM +0100, Folderol wrote:
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 08:11:01 +0200 (CEST)
Julien Claassen <julien(a)mail.upb.de> wrote:
That is *very* true. Scrolling sideways is very
slight trouble, compared
to having to sift through the source of a page to find a link because
there is javascript or flash involved and there's no other way to get at
the needed information. :)
Now, if everybody will hold their horses, I will attempt to correct the
situation: my wife is returning from holiday today and will soon
re-assume her capacity as advisor on all things visual.
Thank you for your patience.
Cheers,
S.M.
Hello David1
I agree, but to be honest I take slight offense as well, sincethat might as
well have been me. If you pardon my Klatchian: For fuck's sake: Massy is blind
as well and will
most cdertainly not have seen that. I don't know, on whichsystem he built. I
can only remember, thatIhad enough problems, when I first started my website.
Kind regards
Julien
050e010d0f12010401-0405-0d09-030f12011a0f0d-
Such Is Life: Very Intensely Adorable;
Free And Jubilating Amazement Revels, Dancing On - FLOWERS!
A good point, and something I've fallen foul of myself in the past. It is very
easy for those of us with reasonably good sight to forget there are a large
number of people less fortunate. 
12 Aug
12 Aug
5:38 p.m.
New subject: Linux-audio-user Digest, Vol 66, Issue 14
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 08:43:14AM +0100, Folderol wrote:
It also works two ways. An extremely large number of
websites out there are
virtually un-navigable to the blind. As a double check, when making alterations
to my own (rather simple site) I double check with styles turned off. This can
be very revealing!
Its a good idea to check it with a text browser, like lynx, for example.
--
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the
oppressing." --- Malcolm X
6:04 p.m.
New subject: Linux-audio-user Digest, Vol 66, Issue 14
Hi Chris!
Of course a texst-based browser is the best to check. But turning off
Javascript and CSS support will do the trick just as well. Potentiallyeven
Javascript and - if I rmember correctly - some flahs is defined as accessible.
though even blind people, who work with grpahical browsers dislike it to a
greater or lesser extent. :-) It takes time to implement a standard in such a
way, that it is really usable. :-)
Sorry for rambling, it's just a topic, which interests me greatly.
Musically minded again yours
Julien
050e010d0f12010401-0405-0d09-030f12011a0f0d-
Such Is Life: Very Intensely Adorable;
Free And Jubilating Amazement Revels, Dancing On - FLOWERS!
******** Find some music at ********
http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html
---------------------------------------------------------------
"If you live to be 100, I hope I live to be 95 and 37 days,
so I can be sure, there's someone at your site, who loves you."
(Not Winnie the Puh)
5:36 p.m.
New subject: Linux-audio-user Digest, Vol 66, Issue 14
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 08:11:01AM +0200, Julien Claassen wrote:
Hello David1
I agree, but to be honest I take slight offense as well, sincethat
might as well have been me. If you pardon my Klatchian: For fuck's
sake: Massy is blind as well and will most cdertainly not have seen
I'm sure David meant no offence. But remember a lot of people go out of
their way so that web sites are accessible for everyone, I think it goes
both ways -- does it not?
"Never ascribe to malice that which can adequately be explained by
incompetence." -- Napoleon Bonaparte
--
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the
oppressing." --- Malcolm X
6:01 p.m.
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Hello chris1
I did like the quotation from Napoleon. :-) Thanks, that made me smile. And
of course you are right. As I say, I didn't take offence at the technical
issue. Of course accessibility shall go both ways.
Warmly yours
Julien
050e010d0f12010401-0405-0d09-030f12011a0f0d-
Such Is Life: Very Intensely Adorable;
Free And Jubilating Amazement Revels, Dancing On - FLOWERS!
******** Find some music at ********
http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html
---------------------------------------------------------------
"If you live to be 100, I hope I live to be 95 and 37 days,
so I can be sure, there's someone at your site, who loves you."
(Not Winnie the Puh)
10 Aug
10 Aug
4:29 p.m.
New subject: Linux-audio-user Digest, Vol 66, Issue 14
On Fri, August 10, 2012 7:09 am, James Harkins wrote:
On Aug 10, 2012 9:47 PM,
<linux-audio-user-request(a)lists.linuxaudio.org>
wrote:
It may be just that it shifts way to the right of your screen... even on
my desktop (KB/mouse) this is an issue. gray text is a bit hard on my
aging eyes too :)
Good article though.
--
Len Ovens
www.OvenWerks.net
The article: http://www.wolfdream.ca/article3
I'm curious... the article is long enough that I'd really prefer to read
it
on my tablet, but there is some kind of funky JavaScript in it that makes
all the text disappear a couple of seconds after it displays!
5:10 p.m.
New subject: Linux-audio-user Digest, Vol 66, Issue 14
Hello!
A temporary solution should be to turn of CSS for the article. It reads nice
enough in lynx, which has no CSS support at all.
Still, this could only be a temporary workaround.
Best regards
Julien
050e010d0f12010401-0405-0d09-030f12011a0f0d-
Such Is Life: Very Intensely Adorable;
Free And Jubilating Amazement Revels, Dancing On - FLOWERS!
******** Find some music at ********
http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html
---------------------------------------------------------------
"If you live to be 100, I hope I live to be 95 and 37 days,
so I can be sure, there's someone at your site, who loves you."
(Not Winnie the Puh)
5:40 p.m.
New subject: Linux-audio-user Digest, Vol 66, Issue 14
You can check how the web article can be seen on diferent browsers
here: http://browsershots.org/http://www.wolfdream.ca/article3
5:48 p.m.
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Hello Pablo!
It looks like an interesting tool, but again Massy is blind and as far as I
could see, this site relies on a sort of screenshot. Still probablynice to
know about.
Regards
Julien
050e010d0f12010401-0405-0d09-030f12011a0f0d-
Such Is Life: Very Intensely Adorable;
Free And Jubilating Amazement Revels, Dancing On - FLOWERS!
******** Find some music at ********
http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html
---------------------------------------------------------------
"If you live to be 100, I hope I live to be 95 and 37 days,
so I can be sure, there's someone at your site, who loves you."
(Not Winnie the Puh)
11 Aug
11 Aug
7:43 p.m.
New subject: Dealing with hard-to-read websites (was: Re: Linux-audio-user Digest, Vol 66, Issue 14)
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 07:29:19AM -0700, Len Ovens wrote:
It may be just that it shifts way to the right of your
screen... even on
my desktop (KB/mouse) this is an issue. gray text is a bit hard on my
aging eyes too :)
I use a Firefox plugin to reformat pages that suffer from bad
color, too-small fonts, etc.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/readability/
--
Joel Roth
8 p.m.
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On Sat, 2012-08-11 at 07:43 -1000, Joel Roth wrote:
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 07:29:19AM -0700, Len Ovens
wrote:
Thank you, this add-on might have advantages, OTOH the less add-ons
Firefox does use, the better.
For http://www.wolfdream.ca/article3 it's also possible simply to chose
Firefox > View > Page Style > [x] No Style, ignoring the option, Firefox
It may be just that it shifts way to the right of
your screen... even on
my desktop (KB/mouse) this is an issue. gray text is a bit hard on my
aging eyes too :)
I use a Firefox plugin to reformat pages that suffer from bad
color, too-small fonts, etc.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/readability/ Edit > Preferences > Content > ...
Regards,
Ralf
8:20 p.m.
New subject: Dealing with hard-to-read websites (was: Re: Linux-audio-user Digest, Vol 66, Issue 14)
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 08:00:36PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Sat, 2012-08-11 at 07:43 -1000, Joel Roth wrote:
That's a simple solution, thanks.
I use a Firefox plugin to reformat pages that
suffer from bad
color, too-small fonts, etc.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/readability/
Thank you, this add-on might have advantages, OTOH the less add-ons
Firefox does use, the better.
For http://www.wolfdream.ca/article3 it's also possible simply to chose
Firefox > View > Page Style > [x] No Style, ignoring the option, Firefox
> Edit > Preferences > Content > ... Regards,
Ralf
--
Joel Roth
8:59 p.m.
New subject: Dealing with hard-to-read websites
On 08/11/2012 08:20 AM, Joel Roth wrote:
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 08:00:36PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf
wrote:
If you add the Web Developer toolbar extension, ctrl-shift-L disables
all styles.
Another plugin I use in Firefox might be useful in these situations is
Fangs. It gives you an on-screen text only rendering of a page, as it
would be if a screen reader was reading it.
Suggestion for anyone designing web sites: simple is best. It's OK to
use the standard heading tags and default font sizes. And starting with
a sound base such as one of the Layout Gala templates makes things easier:
http://blog.html.it/layoutgala/
--
David
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
http://clanjones.org/david/
http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/
On Sat, 2012-08-11 at 07:43 -1000, Joel Roth
wrote:
That's a simple solution, thanks. I use a Firefox plugin to reformat pages that
suffer from bad
color, too-small fonts, etc.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/readability/
Thank you, this add-on might have advantages, OTOH the less add-ons
Firefox does use, the better.
For http://www.wolfdream.ca/article3 it's also possible simply to chose
Firefox> View> Page Style> [x] No Style, ignoring the option, Firefox
> Edit> Preferences> Content> ...
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