8 Jan
2005
8 Jan
'05
6:17 a.m.
Hey all,
So I'm looking to put together a more serious recording rig, and
trying to do so for under about $1500. I've got a couple ideas on
how I'm going to procede, and I've been looking at a variety of
PCI audio interfaces. I'm looking for 8-10 channels of analogue
I/O, probably expandable with some ADAT lightpipe I/O, MIDI
(although if I can't get it in the PCI card, it's not a big
deal), Word clock would be nice. I don't really need onboard mic
pres, as they're bound to be crap anyways, so I'd rather just get
a semi-decent mixing board. Most of the cards I've been looking
at have rackmountable breakout boxes, which is great, because I'm
planning on rackmounting the computer anyways. The M-audio Delta
1010-LT seems to be a pretty good option, too, as it seems to
have most of the functionality of the regular 1010, but about 100
cheaper on eBay. Neither have ADAT, though. The Echo Layla 24/96,
also seems like a great card, and it seems to be exactly what I'm
looking for, but slightly more pricey than some other options.
The DSP2000 c-port seems to have everything I need, but I can't
figure out how well it's supported under Linux. There're some
posts on the alsa-devel archives about trying to get it working,
but it's not listed on the Alsa soundcard matrix, so I'm not
optimistic.
Does anyone have any great or terrible things to say about any of
these cards? about any other similar cards? about a completely
different way of setting up such a DAW?
thanks!
-spencer
8 Jan
8 Jan
6:32 a.m.
Also, does anyone have any experience with the MOTU units in this
class? they seem to go for pretty cheap on ebay, but they aren't
listed on the ALSA matrix.
-spencer
On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 04:17:33AM -0600, Spencer Russell wrote:
Hey all,
So I'm looking to put together a more serious recording rig, and
trying to do so for under about $1500. I've got a couple ideas on
how I'm going to procede, and I've been looking at a variety of
PCI audio interfaces. I'm looking for 8-10 channels of analogue
I/O, probably expandable with some ADAT lightpipe I/O, MIDI
(although if I can't get it in the PCI card, it's not a big
deal), Word clock would be nice. I don't really need onboard mic
pres, as they're bound to be crap anyways, so I'd rather just get
a semi-decent mixing board. Most of the cards I've been looking
at have rackmountable breakout boxes, which is great, because I'm
planning on rackmounting the computer anyways. The M-audio Delta
1010-LT seems to be a pretty good option, too, as it seems to
have most of the functionality of the regular 1010, but about 100
cheaper on eBay. Neither have ADAT, though. The Echo Layla 24/96,
also seems like a great card, and it seems to be exactly what I'm
looking for, but slightly more pricey than some other options.
The DSP2000 c-port seems to have everything I need, but I can't
figure out how well it's supported under Linux. There're some
posts on the alsa-devel archives about trying to get it working,
but it's not listed on the Alsa soundcard matrix, so I'm not
optimistic.
Does anyone have any great or terrible things to say about any of
these cards? about any other similar cards? about a completely
different way of setting up such a DAW?
thanks!
-spencer
9:38 a.m.
Spencer Russell escribe:
I don't really need onboard mic
pres, as they're bound to be crap anyways, so I'd rather just get
a semi-decent mixing board.
I've often found onboard mic preamps much better than those in what
people call `semi-decent mixing board'. I've used at home a very
unexpensive [1]ST Audio DSP2000 C-Port (sorry I don't know right now
if supported on Linux) and its preamps are a lot better than those
noisy crap in Behringer consoles.
Of course this is only a personal choice and there are as many
personal choices as people, indeed. :)
1. http://www.staudio.com/products/dsp2000.html
5:59 p.m.
On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 02:38:36PM +0100, kurtz wrote:
I've often found onboard mic preamps much better than those in what
people call `semi-decent mixing board'. I've used at home a very
unexpensive [1]ST Audio DSP2000 C-Port (sorry I don't know right now
if supported on Linux) and its preamps are a lot better than those
noisy crap in Behringer consoles.
By 'semi-decent mixing board', I wasn't referring to Behringer. I
currently own one of those, and I'm planning on getting rid of it
as soon as possible. I'm looking at some Allen&Heath consoles
that might do the job for me.
8:55 p.m.
Spencer Russell escribe:
On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 02:38:36PM +0100, kurtz
wrote:
I suspected that. :)
I've often found onboard mic preamps much better than those in what
people call `semi-decent mixing board'. I've used at home a very
unexpensive [1]ST Audio DSP2000 C-Port (sorry I don't know right now
if supported on Linux) and its preamps are a lot better than those
noisy crap in Behringer consoles.
By 'semi-decent mixing board', I wasn't referring to Behringer. 
12 Jan
12 Jan
1:26 p.m.
Spencer Russell wrote:
I'm looking at some Allen&Heath consoles
that might do the job for me.
Good move. They sound really good for the money. My housemate had one at
university. It had really nice faders as well - I think they use pretty
good component. He got it for a bargain £200 (probably worth about £1000).
I think Allen & Heath are in some small place in Cornwall, England,
(fairly) near my parent's house.
Michael Nelson
8 Jan
8 Jan
10:41 a.m.
On Sat, 2005-01-08 at 04:17, Spencer Russell wrote:
Hey all,
So I'm looking to put together a more serious recording rig, and
trying to do so for under about $1500. I've got a couple ideas on
how I'm going to procede, and I've been looking at a variety of
PCI audio interfaces. I'm looking for 8-10 channels of analogue
I/O, probably expandable with some ADAT lightpipe I/O, MIDI
(although if I can't get it in the PCI card, it's not a big
deal), Word clock would be nice. I don't really need onboard mic
pres, as they're bound to be crap anyways, so I'd rather just get
a semi-decent mixing board. Most of the cards I've been looking
at have rackmountable breakout boxes, which is great, because I'm
planning on rackmounting the computer anyways. The M-audio Delta
1010-LT seems to be a pretty good option, too, as it seems to
have most of the functionality of the regular 1010, but about 100
cheaper on eBay. Neither have ADAT, though. The Echo Layla 24/96,
also seems like a great card, and it seems to be exactly what I'm
looking for, but slightly more pricey than some other options.
The DSP2000 c-port seems to have everything I need, but I can't
figure out how well it's supported under Linux. There're some
posts on the alsa-devel archives about trying to get it working,
but it's not listed on the Alsa soundcard matrix, so I'm not
optimistic.
I'm using a DSP2000 C-port and it's well supported under Linux.
S/PDIF works, however, I don't do MIDI and I've heard rumblings that the
MIDI does not work on Linux (I could be wrong). With the recent price
drop in the M-Audio Delta 1010 (not the LT although that's not bad
either) I would recommend getting one of those.
Jan
11:38 a.m.
A nice choice is Echo products which I think are currently all
supported. I have an Echo Mona working perfectly (the only limitation is
only 4 in, 4 out right now). Echo Layla24 is reported to be working, and
I think Giuliano Pochini (the driver's author) already has support
(possibly untested) for the new Layla G3. The drivers are not yet part
of alsa cvs but they are working fine (except on FC 3 due to a
compilation bug in autotools, I think).
Cheer,
Andres
Jan Depner wrote:
On Sat, 2005-01-08 at 04:17, Spencer Russell wrote:
Hey all,
So I'm looking to put together a more serious recording rig, and
trying to do so for under about $1500. I've got a couple ideas on
how I'm going to procede, and I've been looking at a variety of
PCI audio interfaces. I'm looking for 8-10 channels of analogue
I/O, probably expandable with some ADAT lightpipe I/O, MIDI
(although if I can't get it in the PCI card, it's not a big
deal), Word clock would be nice. I don't really need onboard mic
pres, as they're bound to be crap anyways, so I'd rather just get
a semi-decent mixing board. Most of the cards I've been looking
at have rackmountable breakout boxes, which is great, because I'm
planning on rackmounting the computer anyways. The M-audio Delta
1010-LT seems to be a pretty good option, too, as it seems to
have most of the functionality of the regular 1010, but about 100
cheaper on eBay. Neither have ADAT, though. The Echo Layla 24/96,
also seems like a great card, and it seems to be exactly what I'm
looking for, but slightly more pricey than some other options.
The DSP2000 c-port seems to have everything I need, but I can't
figure out how well it's supported under Linux. There're some
posts on the alsa-devel archives about trying to get it working,
but it's not listed on the Alsa soundcard matrix, so I'm not
optimistic.
I'm using a DSP2000 C-port and it's well supported under Linux.
S/PDIF works, however, I don't do MIDI and I've heard rumblings that the
MIDI does not work on Linux (I could be wrong). With the recent price
drop in the M-Audio Delta 1010 (not the LT although that's not bad
either) I would recommend getting one of those.
Jan
12:29 p.m.
On Sat, 2005-01-08 at 04:17, Spencer Russell wrote:
Hey all,
So I'm looking to put together a more serious recording rig, and
trying to do so for under about $1500. I've got a couple ideas on
how I'm going to procede, and I've been looking at a variety of
PCI audio interfaces. I'm looking for 8-10 channels of analogue
I/O, probably expandable with some ADAT lightpipe I/O, MIDI
(although if I can't get it in the PCI card, it's not a big
deal), Word clock would be nice. I don't really need onboard mic
pres, as they're bound to be crap anyways, so I'd rather just get
a semi-decent mixing board. Most of the cards I've been looking
at have rackmountable breakout boxes, which is great, because I'm
planning on rackmounting the computer anyways. The M-audio Delta
1010-LT seems to be a pretty good option, too, as it seems to
have most of the functionality of the regular 1010, but about 100
cheaper on eBay. Neither have ADAT, though. The Echo Layla 24/96,
also seems like a great card, and it seems to be exactly what I'm
looking for, but slightly more pricey than some other options.
The DSP2000 c-port seems to have everything I need, but I can't
figure out how well it's supported under Linux. There're some
posts on the alsa-devel archives about trying to get it working,
but it's not listed on the Alsa soundcard matrix, so I'm not
optimistic.
This describes how to use something like several SBLive cards to
simulate cards like the M-audio Delta 1010* cards.
http://www.geocities.com/dn_liitto/english/El-cheapo-howto
Has anyone else tried this?
--
Phil
Our 2nd CD: http://www.cdbaby.com/naomisfancy
Naomi's Fancy performances: http://naomisfancy.virtualave.net/schedule.html
3 p.m.
Phil Sexton escribe:
This describes how to use something like several
SBLive cards to
simulate cards like the M-audio Delta 1010* cards.
Well, audio quality will be far from being the same, anyway it's a
very useful setup.
Indeed old AWE32's analog audio quality is known to be better than
that of newer Creative cards, including Live!
3:30 p.m.
On Sat, 2005-01-08 at 20:00 +0100, kurtz wrote:
Phil Sexton escribe:
The Live! isn't that new. The Audigy and Audigy 2 improve the S/N
ration considerably. Something like 98 dB on the Live vs 120 on the
Audigy 2, Audigy 1 is in between.
Lee
This describes how to use something like several
SBLive cards to
simulate cards like the M-audio Delta 1010* cards.
Well, audio quality will be far from being the same, anyway it's a
very useful setup.
Indeed old AWE32's analog audio quality is known to be better than
that of newer Creative cards, including Live!
4:52 p.m.
Lee Revell escribe:
On Sat, 2005-01-08 at 20:00 +0100, kurtz wrote:
I don't think any consumer sound card has a *real* S/N ratio of 120,
that would be a killer!
Phil Sexton escribe:
The Live! isn't that new. The Audigy and Audigy 2 improve the S/N
ration considerably. Something like 98 dB on the Live vs 120 on the
Audigy 2, Audigy 1 is in between. This describes how to use something like several
SBLive cards to
simulate cards like the M-audio Delta 1010* cards.
Well, audio quality will be far from being the same, anyway it's a
very useful setup.
Indeed old AWE32's analog audio quality is known to be better than
that of newer Creative cards, including Live!
3:34 p.m.
On Sat, 2005-01-08 at 14:00, kurtz wrote concerning sblive:
Well, audio quality will be far from being the same,
anyway it's a
very useful setup.
Indeed old AWE32's analog audio quality is known to be better than
that of newer Creative cards, including Live!
Any experience with the Turtle Beach Santa Cruz cards? I believe they
have better sound compared to the SBLive cards (on my Windows machine as
games seem not to like the Turtle Beach), at least with these 65 year
old ears with tinnitus starting to rear it's ugly head..
--
Phil
Our 2nd CD: http://www.cdbaby.com/naomisfancy
Naomi's Fancy performances: http://naomisfancy.virtualave.net/schedule.html
4:30 p.m.
On Sat, 2005-01-08 at 14:34 -0500, Phil Sexton wrote:
On Sat, 2005-01-08 at 14:00, kurtz wrote concerning
sblive:
The SBLive/Audigy is a great gaming card thanks to the hardware mixing.
I suspect the Turtle Beach doesn't do that. But, when I used to trade a
lot of Dead bootlegs, the Turtle Beach (along with the Zefiro ZA2) were
very highly regarded, especially for DAT -> HD transfers. Anything with
an SBLive generation was untradable: because of a hardware resampling
bug, they couldn't make a perfect copy of a DAT via the SPDIF port.
That problem was fixed with the Audigy (and probably later Lives).
When it comes to S/N the Audigy is way better than the Live. I think
the Live got a lot of bad press for this and they made sure to improve
it. My earlier post had the numbers wrong, the analog Line2/Mic2 in on
my Audigy 2 ZS gets about 112 dB. It actually says on the box 108 dB,
but a "112 dB S/N" sticker comes with it, and a note saying they
improved to 112 dB after printing the boxes. Cheesy marketing ploy, but
measurement (using the "Peak" patch with the kX driver ;-) shows it to
be accurate.
One more point to remember, the Audigy 2 is the same as the Audigy,
except it supports up to 24 bit, 96 and 192 kHz streams. Actually one
stereo stream to be exact. And this is not yet supported in the Linux
driver, but should be supported very soon. I think the Audigy 2 Value
goes for like $60, this would make it an excellent low end 24/96 card.
Lee
Well, audio quality will be far from being the
same, anyway it's a
very useful setup.
Indeed old AWE32's analog audio quality is known to be better than
that of newer Creative cards, including Live!
Any experience with the Turtle Beach Santa Cruz cards? I believe they
have better sound compared to the SBLive cards (on my Windows machine as
games seem not to like the Turtle Beach), at least with these 65 year
old ears with tinnitus starting to rear it's ugly head...
4:50 p.m.
Phil Sexton escribe:
On Sat, 2005-01-08 at 14:00, kurtz wrote concerning
sblive:
Those with an internal Kurzweil module for MIDI playback? :P
Well, audio quality will be far from being the
same, anyway it's a
very useful setup.
Indeed old AWE32's analog audio quality is known to be better than
that of newer Creative cards, including Live!
Any experience with the Turtle Beach Santa Cruz cards? I believe they
have better sound compared to the SBLive cards (on my Windows machine as
games seem not to like the Turtle Beach), at least with these 65 year
old ears with tinnitus starting to rear it's ugly head..
5:06 p.m.
On Sat, 2005-01-08 at 15:50, kurtz wrote:
(me)
Are you asking about the ears or the sound card? :)
As an acoustic musician (uilleann bagpipes, penny whistle, bodhran,
bones, wooden eggs, ect) I have little use for MIDI.
Any experience
with the Turtle Beach Santa Cruz cards? I believe they
have better sound compared to the SBLive cards (on my Windows machine as
games seem not to like the Turtle Beach), at least with these 65 year
old ears with tinnitus starting to rear it's ugly head..
Those with an internal Kurzweil module for MIDI playback? :P From cat /proc/pci
Bus 0, device 17, function
0:
Multimedia audio controller: Cirrus Logic CS 4614/22/24
[CrystalClear SoundFusion Audio Accelerator] (rev 1).
IRQ 11.
Master Capable. Latency=64. Min Gnt=4.Max Lat=24.
Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xcfffb000 [0xcfffbfff].
Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xcfe00000 [0xcfefffff].
--
Phil
Our 2nd CD: http://www.cdbaby.com/naomisfancy
Naomi's Fancy performances: http://naomisfancy.virtualave.net/schedule.html
8:57 p.m.
Phil Sexton escribe:
On Sat, 2005-01-08 at 15:50, kurtz wrote:
(me)
Are you asking about the ears or the sound card? :)
As an acoustic musician (uilleann bagpipes, penny whistle, bodhran,
bones, wooden eggs, ect) I have little use for MIDI.
Well, I don't get a joy from playing MIDI files, either, but Kurzweil
stuff often kick ass!
Any
experience with the Turtle Beach Santa Cruz cards? I believe they
have better sound compared to the SBLive cards (on my Windows machine as
games seem not to like the Turtle Beach), at least with these 65 year
old ears with tinnitus starting to rear it's ugly head..
Those with an internal Kurzweil module for MIDI playback? :P
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