[linux-audio-user] Syncing Ardour + Hydrogen so Hydrogen will follow Ardour tempo change
24 May
2005
24 May
'05
7:43 p.m.
as the subject line suggests, we've been trying to get a working/smooth
tempo change going with Ardour + Hydrogen synced to Jack. I've tried the
only way that makes sense to me - indicating the tempo changes in the
Ardour tempo strip ... Ardour is synced to Jack.
I think this approach *sort of* works, but when it comes to the tempo
change, hydrogen skips over about four of its bars before continuing. at
first, i tried just adding an extra four bars into hydrogen to make up
for the skipping, but this doesn't seem to work that well.
we just need a change from a tempo of 86bpm to 94bpm and back again ...
how do we do this in ardour? will i have to record the hydrogen tracks
into ardour at the different tempos, and then adjust the ardour tempo
track to match up? that would sort of suck ... other approaches?
shayne
25 May
25 May
7:01 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Syncing Ardour + Hydrogen so Hydrogen willfollow Ardour tempo change
we just need a change from a tempo of 86bpm to 94bpm
and back again ...
how do we do this in ardour? will i have to record the hydrogen tracks
into ardour at the different tempos, and then adjust the ardour tempo
track to match up? that would sort of suck ... other approaches?
I dunno if this'll work for your purposes, but what I'd do is create the
proper tempo map in ardour, create a beat in hydrogen of the right tempo for
the section, export it as a .wav and import it into ardour - that's how i do
all my hydrogen stuff with ardour
26 May
26 May
10:24 a.m.
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On Wednesday 25 May 2005 21:02, Aaron Trumm wrote:
but this way you can't simply change things as you like in realtime, i don't
like this. sync out/in has to work so that both programs can be used in
realtime rather making wave files each time which is ok if you are doing your
final mixdown.
we just need a
change from a tempo of 86bpm to 94bpm and back again ...
how do we do this in ardour? will i have to record the hydrogen tracks
into ardour at the different tempos, and then adjust the ardour tempo
track to match up? that would sort of suck ... other approaches?
I dunno if this'll work for your purposes, but what I'd do is create the
proper tempo map in ardour, create a beat in hydrogen of the right tempo
for the section, export it as a .wav and import it into ardour - that's how
i do all my hydrogen stuff with ardour 
1:53 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Syncing Ardour + Hydrogen so Hydrogen willfollow Ardour tempo change
I dunno if
this'll work for your purposes, but what I'd do is create the
proper tempo map in ardour, create a beat in hydrogen of the right tempo
for the section, export it as a .wav and import it into ardour - that's how
i do all my hydrogen stuff with ardour
but this way you can't simply change things as you like in realtime, i don't
like this. sync out/in has to work so that both programs can be used in
realtime rather making wave files each time which is ok if you are doing your
final mixdown.
27 May
27 May
2:35 a.m.
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Noah Roberts wrote:
How are you going to anyway? Hydrogen kind of wigs out when you start
altering the tempo during play. Doing it in ardour would probably be
too slow; then again it might actually work if you did it far enough
ahead...I don't know. Usually though you have some idea what the
tempo is before you record. When would you use 'realtime' tempo
changing and how would it work?
what joachim's saying is true - if i'm reading what he means correctly.
noah - i think he means that syncing between, say, ardour/jack/hydrogen
should enable dynamic (?) tempos - that is, if you set a change in tempo
in the ardour tempo strip at the 12th bar from 80 > 90 bpm, then
hydrogen should folow that tempo change accordingly ... i'm not sure if
this is what the current setup is supposed to do but just can't manage,
or if it's a feature that isn't possible yet with jack ...
i don't know - i find things like tempo/measure/time signature really
confusing. it does the same thing to my brain that the start and end of
daylight savings time does.
shayne
I dunno if this'll work for your purposes, but what
I'd do is create the
proper tempo map in ardour, create a beat in hydrogen of the right tempo
for the section, export it as a .wav and import it into ardour - that's how
i do all my hydrogen stuff with ardour
but this way you can't simply change things as you like in realtime, i don't
like this. sync out/in has to work so that both programs can be used in
realtime rather making wave files each time which is ok if you are doing your
final mixdown.
5:03 a.m.
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On 5/26/05, Shayne O'Connor <forums(a)machinehasnoagenda.com> wrote:
Noah Roberts wrote:
How are you going to anyway? Hydrogen kind of wigs out when you start
altering the tempo during play. Doing it in ardour would probably be
too slow; then again it might actually work if you did it far enough
ahead...I don't know. Usually though you have some idea what the
tempo is before you record. When would you use 'realtime' tempo
changing and how would it work?
what joachim's saying is true - if i'm reading what he means correctly.
noah - i think he means that syncing between, say, ardour/jack/hydrogen
should enable dynamic (?) tempos - that is, if you set a change in tempo
in the ardour tempo strip at the 12th bar from 80 > 90 bpm, then
hydrogen should folow that tempo change accordingly ... i'm not sure if
this is what the current setup is supposed to do but just can't manage,
or if it's a feature that isn't possible yet with jack ...
That is exactly what I did. I set the start tempo marker for 50 and
put one on bar 6 at 90, turned on jack transport, set up the record
buttons, and hit play in hydrogen. Ardour starts to record and when
the 6th bar comes it goes to 90bpm. The click misses a beat on the
change, that was all I noticed. Is this what you are trying to do?
I dunno if this'll work for your purposes, but what
I'd do is create the
proper tempo map in ardour, create a beat in hydrogen of the right tempo
for the section, export it as a .wav and import it into ardour - that's how
i do all my hydrogen stuff with ardour
but this way you can't simply change things as you like in realtime, i don't
like this. sync out/in has to work so that both programs can be used in
realtime rather making wave files each time which is ok if you are doing your
final mixdown.
2:28 a.m.
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Aaron Trumm wrote:
damn - i was afraid this would be the only option ...
why this sucks:
we don't know what tempo the change will introduce. after trying other
ways, we'd done it this way, only to find out the change was too fast :(
oh, i guess it's not *too* bad, but is it a long way off before these
sorts of things can happen in an intuitive and stable way?
shayne
we just need a
change from a tempo of 86bpm to 94bpm and back again ...
how do we do this in ardour? will i have to record the hydrogen tracks
into ardour at the different tempos, and then adjust the ardour tempo
track to match up? that would sort of suck ... other approaches?
I dunno if this'll work for your purposes, but what I'd do is create the
proper tempo map in ardour, create a beat in hydrogen of the right tempo for
the section, export it as a .wav and import it into ardour - that's how i do
all my hydrogen stuff with ardour
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