3 Nov
2006
3 Nov
'06
8:52 a.m.
Hi,
I plan to make live music with a computer. My problem is I want to
control the PC with the PC keyboard. Freewheeling permits to control
with the PC keyboard.
My keyboard have some annoying limitations for example I can press at
the same time the letters 'azer', 'qsdf', 'uiop' but I am unable
to
press 'rtyu' at the same time, nothing is printed. I guess it is due to
some limitations in its design. I'm afraid it's a hardware issue and I
won't find an easy workaround. I'm also afraid that this special use of
a keyboard is not the mind of manufacturers...
So what solutions do I have?
- keyboard macros : good idea but I will have to predefine everything
and I consider it as a limitation for improvisation.
- use only keys that works together, same here
- find a keyboard that works well : good idea, how to find it, how can I
explain to a pc resellers my needs...
- use midi controllers : the best professional solution, but it's to
much expensive... and I like the idea to make music with minimal
requirements.
So do you thing there is some good designed keyboard to perform this
kind of stuff?
Can some of you test their keyboard by opening a xterm and press at the
same time 'rtyu' and see if all letters are printed and whenever they
press more than one letter key all are printed in the term?
Maybe gamers should be more aware of this kind of problem :)
Thank you.
David.
3 Nov
3 Nov
9:38 a.m.
On Fri, 2006-11-03 at 13:52 +0100, David Causse wrote:
Hi,
I plan to make live music with a computer. My problem is I want to
control the PC with the PC keyboard. Freewheeling permits to control
with the PC keyboard.
My keyboard have some annoying limitations for example I can press at
the same time the letters 'azer', 'qsdf', 'uiop' but I am unable
to
press 'rtyu' at the same time, nothing is printed. I guess it is due to
some limitations in its design. I'm afraid it's a hardware issue and I
won't find an easy workaround. I'm also afraid that this special use of
a keyboard is not the mind of manufacturers...
it is in fact a hardware problem. AFAIK, it is common in some form to
every keyboard ever made, although the precise impossible combinations
vary when you compare things like a Sun keyboard to a standard PC one.
its caused by the "matrix" below the keys - its like a bus system in
which several keys share the same bus. if one of them is using the bus,
the others can't.
--p
12:14 p.m.
On 11/3/06, David Causse <nomoa(a)wanadoo.fr> wrote:
Hi,
I plan to make live music with a computer. My problem is I want to
control the PC with the PC keyboard. Freewheeling permits to control
with the PC keyboard.
My keyboard have some annoying limitations for example I can press at
the same time the letters 'azer', 'qsdf', 'uiop' but I am unable
to
press 'rtyu' at the same time, nothing is printed. I guess it is due to
Paul's right on regarding inherent limitations in the PC keyboard protocol.
I'm not sure how you're using Freewheeling - for instance, if you've
set it to play loops while the keys are pressed down, but not when
they're released, this won't help, but - in the standard config, with
tap tempo and sync on, I've been able to start/stop multiple loops "at
once" by sort of rolling my hand across the keys I want to hit - so
that I'm not hitting the keys at the same time, but within a short
enough span of time that it's still musical.
Ultimately, the cheap midi foot controllers now available make it an
easier system to work with, simply because it frees one's hands to
play instruments, gesture wildly, etc.
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1:52 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Looking for a Simple(ish) WAV editor
Greetings,
I am looking for a WAV file editor that will do just a few basic
things. Ideally, the editor would allow precise cutting/pasting without
introducing gaps/silence, selection reversal, high/low pass filtering,
and (hopefully) cross-fading between segment interfaces at the cut/paste
points. I'd like to be able to export these as 32bit float WAV's.
For the interested, all I'm trying to do is to cut out sections of
various noise recordings (that don't have voices or other undesirables)
and create clips/samples that I can filter the very lowest <15Hz
frequencies from, so the result can be looped by a player without
getting "clicks/pops" at the loop wraparound. Ultimately creating a
library of "continuous" souces of various noise sources.
So far I've tried:
1) Audacity, which seems to meet my needs, but I can't figure out how to
tell it *not* to add ~3 secs of silence at the end when I export the
finished product.
2) Ardour2 (latest beta), but here we have a situation with a far more
capable application than user. I believe this app would be overkill for
my needs and the learning curve looks steep.
3) a few Win32 shareware (cr)apps.
Before I wade into the many GNU/Linux options in the GNU/Linux community
(I'll probably start in the list found here:
http://sound.condorow.net/snded.html), I had hoped some of the more
experienced members of this list might point me in promising directions.
Another avenue to possibly meet my goal could be to use a player (must
be JACK compatible) that can play continuously and cross-fade between
tracks, but have only the single WAV file in the playlist, thus
effectively looping w/cross-fading. I would appreciate any guidance
here as well. (In this case, I would still need to filter the low
frequencies from the WAV file, so I'd still need some sort of editor.)
Thanks in advance for any help,
Rick
1:54 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Looking for a Simple(ish) WAV editor
Hallo!
1) Audacity, which seems to meet my needs, but I
can't figure out how to
tell it *not* to add ~3 secs of silence at the end when I export the
finished product.
really ?
You could also try Rezound !
LG
Georg
2:03 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Looking for a Simple(ish) WAV editor
On Fri Nov 03, 2006 at 07:56:04PM +0100, Georg Holzmann wrote:
Hallo!
or Sweep, or MHWaveedit, or Snd-ls, or GNUSound, or wavesurfer, or ecawave
the only one that works properly with jack is MH, and theo nly one you have a feleeting
chance of doing that loop playback thing you mentioned is snd/ecawave, but youll proably
haev to learn a bit of elisp or scheme first.. for the actual loop playback, id paorbly
use sooperlooper (or pd if youre on x86_32)
1) Audacity, which seems to meet my needs, but I
can't figure out how to tell it *not* to add ~3 secs of silence at the end when I
export the finished product.
really ?
You could also try Rezound !
LG
Georg
1:57 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Looking for a Simple(ish) WAV editor
On 11/3/06, Rick Wright <riwright(a)vt.edu> wrote:
I am looking for a WAV file editor that will do just a
few basic
things. Ideally, the editor would allow precise cutting/pasting without
introducing gaps/silence, selection reversal, high/low pass filtering,
and (hopefully) cross-fading between segment interfaces at the cut/paste
points. I'd like to be able to export these as 32bit float WAV's.
ReZound!
--
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http://www.alhazred.com
http://www.cassandrasyndrome.com
http://www.revelmoon.com
3:36 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Looking for a Simple(ish) WAV editor
have a look at rezound first. newest version at least properly supports
alsa. it doesn't use my favorite gui toolkit, but it's really pop.
On Fri, 2006-11-03 at 12:52 -0500, Rick Wright wrote:
Greetings,
I am looking for a WAV file editor that will do just a few basic
things. Ideally, the editor would allow precise cutting/pasting without
introducing gaps/silence, selection reversal, high/low pass filtering,
and (hopefully) cross-fading between segment interfaces at the cut/paste
points. I'd like to be able to export these as 32bit float WAV's.
For the interested, all I'm trying to do is to cut out sections of
various noise recordings (that don't have voices or other undesirables)
and create clips/samples that I can filter the very lowest <15Hz
frequencies from, so the result can be looped by a player without
getting "clicks/pops" at the loop wraparound. Ultimately creating a
library of "continuous" souces of various noise sources.
So far I've tried:
1) Audacity, which seems to meet my needs, but I can't figure out how to
tell it *not* to add ~3 secs of silence at the end when I export the
finished product.
2) Ardour2 (latest beta), but here we have a situation with a far more
capable application than user. I believe this app would be overkill for
my needs and the learning curve looks steep.
3) a few Win32 shareware (cr)apps.
Before I wade into the many GNU/Linux options in the GNU/Linux community
(I'll probably start in the list found here:
http://sound.condorow.net/snded.html), I had hoped some of the more
experienced members of this list might point me in promising directions.
Another avenue to possibly meet my goal could be to use a player (must
be JACK compatible) that can play continuously and cross-fade between
tracks, but have only the single WAV file in the playlist, thus
effectively looping w/cross-fading. I would appreciate any guidance
here as well. (In this case, I would still need to filter the low
frequencies from the WAV file, so I'd still need some sort of editor.)
Thanks in advance for any help,
Rick
--
-- Leonard Ritter
-- http://www.leonard-ritter.com
-- http://www.paniq.org
6:50 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Looking for a Simple(ish) WAV editor
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Leonard "paniq" Ritter schrieb:
have a look at rezound first. newest version at least
properly supports
alsa. it doesn't use my favorite gui toolkit, but it's really pop.
On Fri, 2006-11-03 at 12:52 -0500, Rick Wright wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> I am looking for a WAV file editor that will do just a few basic
> things. Ideally, the editor would allow precise cutting/pasting without
> introducing gaps/silence, selection reversal, high/low pass filtering,
> and (hopefully) cross-fading between segment interfaces at the cut/paste
> points. I'd like to be able to export these as 32bit float WAV's.
>
> For the interested, all I'm trying to do is to cut out sections of
> various noise recordings (that don't have voices or other undesirables)
> and create clips/samples that I can filter the very lowest <15Hz
> frequencies from, so the result can be looped by a player without
> getting "clicks/pops" at the loop wraparound. Ultimately creating a
> library of "continuous" souces of various noise sources.
>
>
> So far I've tried:
> 1) Audacity, which seems to meet my needs, but I can't figure out how to
> tell it *not* to add ~3 secs of silence at the end when I export the
> finished product.
> 2) Ardour2 (latest beta), but here we have a situation with a far more
> capable application than user. I believe this app would be overkill for
> my needs and the learning curve looks steep.
> 3) a few Win32 shareware (cr)apps.
>
>
> Before I wade into the many GNU/Linux options in the GNU/Linux community
> (I'll probably start in the list found here:
> http://sound.condorow.net/snded.html), I had hoped some of the more
> experienced members of this list might point me in promising directions.
>
>
> Another avenue to possibly meet my goal could be to use a player (must
> be JACK compatible) that can play continuously and cross-fade between
> tracks, but have only the single WAV file in the playlist, thus
> effectively looping w/cross-fading. I would appreciate any guidance
> here as well. (In this case, I would still need to filter the low
> frequencies from the WAV file, so I'd still need some sort of editor.)
>
>
> Thanks in advance for any help,
> Rick
audacity has some issues here too... i read a lot of some 'null'
errors, different errors on different languages (same package) and so
on... dont know if this is a packagers fault (packman.links2linux.de)
or the software itself...
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2 p.m.
Paul's right on regarding inherent limitations in the PC keyboard
protocol.
I'm not sure how you're using Freewheeling - for instance, if you've
set it to play loops while the keys are pressed down, but not when
they're released, this won't help, but - in the standard config, with
tap tempo and sync on, I've been able to start/stop multiple loops "at
once" by sort of rolling my hand across the keys I want to hit - so
that I'm not hitting the keys at the same time, but within a short
enough span of time that it's still musical.
Ultimately, the cheap midi foot controllers now available make it an
easier system to work with, simply because it frees one's hands to
play instruments, gesture wildly, etc.
Yes I tried to roll, but it's very difficult in some condition and
sometimes one or more loops doesn't start due to this keyboard limitiation.
Maybe I should work on this more like learning a new instrument...
Also, I don't make music alone it's impossible for what I want to do,
one control, one play and vice versa, I don't plan to make music like
with a jamin guitar pedal effect.
I don't know exactly how I will achieve this, maybe by learning more
precisely my keyboard behaviour and configure the look of freewheeling
to help me in that way.
I want to be able to make the music evolutive and it's the main reason
why I need to activate/desactivate multiple loops.
I don't know how to explain clearly what I want to do, maybe I could
define it as a mix of dj style music (with predefined loops samples a la
dj shadow) and instrumentals to be short. I hope freewheeling will help
me in the way to make it impossible to distinghish what was instrumental
(played live) and what comes from samples.
David.
4 Nov
4 Nov
6:47 a.m.
David Causse <nomoa(a)wanadoo.fr> writes:
I want to be able to make the music evolutive and
it's the main
reason why I need to activate/desactivate multiple loops.
This is in some way similar to what I'm doing, but I don't need
precise activation by using my fingers. Let me try to explain:
I'm doing mostly synthesis, but as I'm making hip-hop, it's very much
loop based. I've made a sequencer in supercollider and I use my MIDI
controller to activate my different "live" loops.
I always activate loops before they're supposed to start and they
start exactly where I tell them to start. After that, since it's real
time synthesis, I manipulate the synths. All synths in the loop are
bound to their own MIDI control.
All the events in the loop are also bound to individual MIDI control,
so that I can adjust the timing of each event in the loops
individually by turning knobs;).
I do all synthesis in supercollider today, but I'm trying very hard to
do the synthesis in common lisp music and keep the sequencer in
supercollider. You see, supercollider is about manipulating the graph
in a music v style, but I need a functional language to do the
synthesis I want.
I guess this sequencer is somehow what you're looking for?. I don't
use samples, but there is nothing wrong with triggering samples
instead of synths in my sequencer.
If you want to trigger the loops yourself, without cheating like I
do;), maybe get a pad and make what you want in supercollider.
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1:35 p.m.
On Sat, Nov 04, 2006 at 01:32:18PM +0100, Esben Stien wrote:
David Causse <nomoa(a)wanadoo.fr> writes:
In fact I don't need a new software, I have found the right one
freewheeling acts very well as my looper. I don't do synthesis right
now, I tried to generate sound with computer but I think it's not my
feeling right now, I'm not convinced by the sound I make :)
Also I don't want to purchase midi controllers fwheeling can do well
with PC keyboard and I want to investigate more with this. Why not just
making music with a live CD, go everywhere and plug your live cd into a
friend computer and play :). Like a MC with a MD player.
And I don't understand this phrase "You see, supercollider is about
manipulating the graph in a music v style", what is music v style?
Have you ever heard about french hip-hop band named TTC? You may want
have look at their dj :)
Thank you,
David.
I want to be able to make the music evolutive and
it's the main
reason why I need to activate/desactivate multiple loops.
This is in some way similar to what I'm doing, but I don't need
precise activation by using my fingers. Let me try to explain:
I'm doing mostly synthesis, but as I'm making hip-hop, it's very much
loop based. I've made a sequencer in supercollider and I use my MIDI
controller to activate my different "live" loops.
I always activate loops before they're supposed to start and they
start exactly where I tell them to start. After that, since it's real
time synthesis, I manipulate the synths. All synths in the loop are
bound to their own MIDI control.
All the events in the loop are also bound to individual MIDI control,
so that I can adjust the timing of each event in the loops
individually by turning knobs;).
I do all synthesis in supercollider today, but I'm trying very hard to
do the synthesis in common lisp music and keep the sequencer in
supercollider. You see, supercollider is about manipulating the graph
in a music v style, but I need a functional language to do the
synthesis I want.
I guess this sequencer is somehow what you're looking for?. I don't
use samples, but there is nothing wrong with triggering samples
instead of synths in my sequencer.
If you want to trigger the loops yourself, without cheating like I
do;), maybe get a pad and make what you want in supercollider.
8 Nov
8 Nov
5:22 p.m.
David Causse <nomoa(a)wanadoo.fr> writes:
I don't understand this phrase "You see,
supercollider is about
manipulating the graph in a music v style", what is music v style?
Well, basically connecting modules with not much flow
control;). You'll find lots of info on music v;) - it's how most
modular synths work.
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Georg Holzmann -
lala -
Leonard "paniq" Ritter -
Paul Davis -
Rick Wright