25 Nov
2003
25 Nov
'03
9:14 p.m.
I would appreciate some advices as to what HW do I need to do some
simple recording.
Here's what I would like to be able to do:
tasks: record a guitar, possibly other instruments (not neccessarily
at the same time), record old vinyl from turntable etc. [using linux PC]
in:
few audio channels (I can think of using 2 or 4 so I guess I should
plan for about 8?)
midi
out:
just stereo audio? or optical digital something? does it make sense
to have many outputs?
midi
other:
full duplex, I think built in midi wavetable synth is good enough for
me, not sure about external mix (I've read recommendation to have one
but I'm not sure why).
I've read that Delta* cards are fairly good and well supported under
linux - looks like delta 66 is what I want? What about Delta 1010-LT -
same price, more in/out but no external box (=lower sound quality?).
What about midi? I'd like to have midi in/out and wavetable synth
(not sure if I really need synth). The sync-ing midi and audio is done
by apps so I don't have to worry about cards working well together?
I can read the specs but I'd really appreciate practical advices
since I have almost no experience (well, I have few audio cards:-).
TIA
erik
25 Nov
25 Nov
9:32 p.m.
If you don't need digital I/O then the Delta 44 is just as good as the
Delta 66 at a somewhat lower price. If you want 8 I/O channels then I
would spend the extra money on the 1010 (not the 1010LT), the DSP 2000
C-Port, or the EWS88MT. The MIDI support for the DSP 2000 is apparently
not there yet (I don't do MIDI) so you probably don't want that. I'm
not sure about the EWS88MT. M-Audio seems to be the best choice at the
moment.
Jan
On Tue, 2003-11-25 at 19:12, Erik Steffl wrote:
I would appreciate some advices as to what HW do I
need to do some
simple recording.
Here's what I would like to be able to do:
tasks: record a guitar, possibly other instruments (not neccessarily
at the same time), record old vinyl from turntable etc. [using linux PC]
in:
few audio channels (I can think of using 2 or 4 so I guess I should
plan for about 8?)
midi
out:
just stereo audio? or optical digital something? does it make sense
to have many outputs?
midi
other:
full duplex, I think built in midi wavetable synth is good enough for
me, not sure about external mix (I've read recommendation to have one
but I'm not sure why).
I've read that Delta* cards are fairly good and well supported under
linux - looks like delta 66 is what I want? What about Delta 1010-LT -
same price, more in/out but no external box (=lower sound quality?).
What about midi? I'd like to have midi in/out and wavetable synth
(not sure if I really need synth). The sync-ing midi and audio is done
by apps so I don't have to worry about cards working well together?
I can read the specs but I'd really appreciate practical advices
since I have almost no experience (well, I have few audio cards:-).
TIA
erik
26 Nov
26 Nov
6:49 p.m.
Jan Depner wrote:
If you don't need digital I/O then the Delta 44 is
just as good as the
Delta 66 at a somewhat lower price. If you want 8 I/O channels then I
would spend the extra money on the 1010 (not the 1010LT), the DSP 2000
why not 1010LT? because of the external box (no computer noises in
converters)? looks like there is a fairly big price difference ($400 vs.
$800) between 1010LT and 1010
erik
C-Port, or the EWS88MT. The MIDI support for the DSP
2000 is apparently
not there yet (I don't do MIDI) so you probably don't want that. I'm
not sure about the EWS88MT. M-Audio seems to be the best choice at the
moment.
Jan
On Tue, 2003-11-25 at 19:12, Erik Steffl wrote:
I would appreciate some advices as to what HW
do I need to do some
simple recording.
Here's what I would like to be able to do:
tasks: record a guitar, possibly other instruments (not neccessarily
at the same time), record old vinyl from turntable etc. [using linux PC]
in:
few audio channels (I can think of using 2 or 4 so I guess I should
plan for about 8?)
midi
out:
just stereo audio? or optical digital something? does it make sense
to have many outputs?
midi
other:
full duplex, I think built in midi wavetable synth is good enough for
me, not sure about external mix (I've read recommendation to have one
but I'm not sure why).
I've read that Delta* cards are fairly good and well supported under
linux - looks like delta 66 is what I want? What about Delta 1010-LT -
same price, more in/out but no external box (=lower sound quality?).
What about midi? I'd like to have midi in/out and wavetable synth
(not sure if I really need synth). The sync-ing midi and audio is done
by apps so I don't have to worry about cards working well together?
I can read the specs but I'd really appreciate practical advices
since I have almost no experience (well, I have few audio cards:-).
TIA
erik
28 Nov
28 Nov
11:54 a.m.
--- Erik Steffl <steffl(a)bigfoot.com> wrote:
why not 1010LT? because of the external box (no
computer noises
in
converters)? looks like there is a fairly big price difference
($400 vs.
$800) between 1010LT and 1010
I've heard that some of the 1010LT's capabilities are not supported
by ALSA, but I haven't yet found one. The breakout box with balanced
connectors and converters is a pretty big advantage. Several times
I've wished I'd opted for it just for that reason. However that
would've required me to get an external preamp as well.
For what you're describing, the 1010LT should work. I don't make
full use of the MIDI features. I plug my keyboard controller in and
it works. I'm not sure if MIDI out works, but I suspect it does. If
you find yourself wanting to go to a more professional quality setup,
the balanced connectors on the 1010 breakout box will be needed, so
I'd go ahead and spend the extra money up front if you have it. It's
cheaper than trying to upgrade later.
Greg
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1:30 p.m.
Jumping into the middle of a threas...here goes...
For what it's worth, I am using a 1010LT. This works fine with alsa (RH
8.0, planet CCRMA). MIDI out works fine (at least to my Alesis drum
machine). I have not tried the MIDI in, nor have I tried a MIDI
keyboard. Two XLR inputs suit my home recording needs fine, but it
shouldn't be a problem to hook up an external mixer to the RCA inputs,
right?
-Joe D
On Fri, 2003-11-28 at 10:52, Greg Reddin wrote:
--- Erik Steffl <steffl(a)bigfoot.com> wrote:
why not 1010LT? because of the external box
(no computer noises
in
converters)? looks like there is a fairly big price difference
($400 vs.
$800) between 1010LT and 1010
I've heard that some of the 1010LT's capabilities are not supported
by ALSA, but I haven't yet found one. The breakout box with balanced
connectors and converters is a pretty big advantage. Several times
I've wished I'd opted for it just for that reason. However that
would've required me to get an external preamp as well.
For what you're describing, the 1010LT should work. I don't make
full use of the MIDI features. I plug my keyboard controller in and
it works. I'm not sure if MIDI out works, but I suspect it does. If
you find yourself wanting to go to a more professional quality setup,
the balanced connectors on the 1010 breakout box will be needed, so
I'd go ahead and spend the extra money up front if you have it. It's
cheaper than trying to upgrade later.
Greg
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29 Nov
29 Nov
3:02 p.m.
Noise is one issue. I have read a few posts (and articles) about trying
to silence cross-talk inside the computer. The other is just the loose
connectors hanging off of the card. If you're going to permanently wire
it to a mixer this would be a non-issue.
Jan
On Wed, 2003-11-26 at 16:47, Erik Steffl wrote:
Jan Depner wrote:
If you don't need digital I/O then the Delta
44 is just as good as the
Delta 66 at a somewhat lower price. If you want 8 I/O channels then I
would spend the extra money on the 1010 (not the 1010LT), the DSP 2000
why not 1010LT? because of the external box (no computer noises in
converters)? looks like there is a fairly big price difference ($400 vs.
$800) between 1010LT and 1010
erik
C-Port, or the EWS88MT. The MIDI support for the
DSP 2000 is apparently
not there yet (I don't do MIDI) so you probably don't want that. I'm
not sure about the EWS88MT. M-Audio seems to be the best choice at the
moment.
Jan
On Tue, 2003-11-25 at 19:12, Erik Steffl wrote:
I would appreciate some advices as to what HW
do I need to do some
simple recording.
Here's what I would like to be able to do:
tasks: record a guitar, possibly other instruments (not neccessarily
at the same time), record old vinyl from turntable etc. [using linux PC]
in:
few audio channels (I can think of using 2 or 4 so I guess I should
plan for about 8?)
midi
out:
just stereo audio? or optical digital something? does it make sense
to have many outputs?
midi
other:
full duplex, I think built in midi wavetable synth is good enough for
me, not sure about external mix (I've read recommendation to have one
but I'm not sure why).
I've read that Delta* cards are fairly good and well supported under
linux - looks like delta 66 is what I want? What about Delta 1010-LT -
same price, more in/out but no external box (=lower sound quality?).
What about midi? I'd like to have midi in/out and wavetable synth
(not sure if I really need synth). The sync-ing midi and audio is done
by apps so I don't have to worry about cards working well together?
I can read the specs but I'd really appreciate practical advices
since I have almost no experience (well, I have few audio cards:-).
TIA
erik
26 Nov
26 Nov
2:37 a.m.
I recommend to have a close look upon DA/AD-Convertor-Quality, 2
channels at top notch quality are better then 8 with compromized sound,
especially, if you want to use your recordings later on for professional
studiowork.
I use a Hi-End 2-channel card (Terratec EWX 24/96) and i am very pleased
with that even though i had to pay only about 200,- EUROS for it.
Plus: the card is perfectly supported by alsa - means, it is better
supported as by the Factorydriver terratec is offering for Win32 :-)
Duplex is also very important and not an issue with 24/96.
The chain is as weak as its weakest segment:
take care for good Cables, preamps etc
Am Mit, 2003-11-26 um 02.12 schrieb Erik Steffl:
I would appreciate some advices as to what HW do I
need to do some
simple recording.
Here's what I would like to be able to do:
tasks: record a guitar, possibly other instruments (not neccessarily
at the same time), record old vinyl from turntable etc. [using linux PC]
in:
few audio channels (I can think of using 2 or 4 so I guess I should
plan for about 8?)
midi
out:
just stereo audio? or optical digital something? does it make sense
to have many outputs?
midi
other:
full duplex, I think built in midi wavetable synth is good enough for
me, not sure about external mix (I've read recommendation to have one
but I'm not sure why).
I've read that Delta* cards are fairly good and well supported under
linux - looks like delta 66 is what I want? What about Delta 1010-LT -
same price, more in/out but no external box (=lower sound quality?).
What about midi? I'd like to have midi in/out and wavetable synth
(not sure if I really need synth). The sync-ing midi and audio is done
by apps so I don't have to worry about cards working well together?
I can read the specs but I'd really appreciate practical advices
since I have almost no experience (well, I have few audio cards:-).
TIA
erik
10:55 a.m.
Erik,
I'm having good success with the Delta1010 LT. I know the analog
and SPDIF I/O works as does MIDI input. I've not tested MIDI output
yet, but I suspect it works. I've heard that not all of the LT
functions are supported by ALSA, but I have yet to find one that I
need.
For what you're wanting to do the Delta 44 or 66 would work, but if
you can spend the extra money for a 1010 it would allow you to do
more in the future.
As to your external mixer question, I don't have one, but the 1010LT
has 2 mic preamps. If you go with the 44, 66, or 1010, or want
better quality pres, you'll need a mixer or external preamp. An
external mixer is not a requirement in the DAW world, but it can be
helpful for monitoring and such. Personally, I'd use the money for a
better soundcard or some nice pres.
Greg
--- Erik Steffl <steffl(a)bigfoot.com> wrote:
I would appreciate some advices as to what HW do I
need to do
some
simple recording.
Here's what I would like to be able to do:
tasks: record a guitar, possibly other instruments (not
neccessarily
at the same time), record old vinyl from turntable etc. [using
linux PC]
in:
few audio channels (I can think of using 2 or 4 so I guess I
should
plan for about 8?)
midi
out:
just stereo audio? or optical digital something? does it make
sense
to have many outputs?
midi
other:
full duplex, I think built in midi wavetable synth is good
enough for
me, not sure about external mix (I've read recommendation to have
one
but I'm not sure why).
I've read that Delta* cards are fairly good and well supported
under
linux - looks like delta 66 is what I want? What about Delta
1010-LT -
same price, more in/out but no external box (=lower sound
quality?).
What about midi? I'd like to have midi in/out and wavetable
synth
(not sure if I really need synth). The sync-ing midi and audio is
done
by apps so I don't have to worry about cards working well together?
I can read the specs but I'd really appreciate practical advices
since I have almost no experience (well, I have few audio cards:-).
TIA
erik
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