21 Dec
2014
21 Dec
'14
8:25 p.m.
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hi,
I came to revisit my MOTU 828mk2 support in Linux; I first thought
everything is fine, but today in a rehearsal I was back to random
beeps and muted outputs.
So... I'm looking for a USB class compliant interface with at least 8
analog I/O, better if it has an additional ADAT input, works totally
reliable on Linux (I'm using Debian Jessie), and costs <1000 EUR.
Has anyone made good use of either of the following:
- - Roland UA-1610 Studio Capture
- - Roland UA-1010 Octa-Capture
- - MOTU 828x
- - MOTU 828 Mk III Hybrid
- - MOTU UltraLite MkIII Hybrid
- - Allen & Heath ICE-16
- - Steinberg UR824
- - Focusrite Scarlett 18i20
- - Phonic FireFly 808 U
- - Tascam 16x08
I was very happy with an RME Fireface UCX, and the Fireface UC would
be in my price class, but I couldn't see the ADATs, so it's a bit of
wasted money.
Also no tricks like heaving to boot under OS X to switch phantom power
and this kind of crap.
Thanks!
best, .h.h.
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21 Dec
21 Dec
8:38 p.m.
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On 12/21/2014 08:25 PM, Hanns Holger Rutz wrote:
I was very happy with an RME Fireface UCX, and the
Fireface UC
would be in my price class, but I couldn't see the ADATs, so it's a
bit of wasted money.
Or am I mistaken? The RME specs read as if I should see the ADATs in
CC mode... Then the Fireface UC might be an option as well. Has anyone
managed to get all I/O of the FF UC to work?
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11:25 p.m.
I've been looking at the 32-channel Antelope Orion:
http://www.antelopeaudio.com/en/products/Orion32-Multi-Channel-AD-DA-conver…
I emailed them a while back to verify that it works with Linux and they
told me that it would.
On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 12:38 PM, Hanns Holger Rutz <contact(a)sciss.de>
wrote:
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On 12/21/2014 08:25 PM, Hanns Holger Rutz wrote:
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I was very happy with an RME Fireface UCX, and
the Fireface UC
would be in my price class, but I couldn't see the ADATs, so it's a
bit of wasted money.
Or am I mistaken? The RME specs read as if I should see the ADATs in
CC mode... Then the Fireface UC might be an option as well. Has anyone
managed to get all I/O of the FF UC to work?
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11:31 p.m.
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On 12/21/2014 11:25 PM, Bearcat M. ?ándor wrote:
Antelope Orion
that's way above my budget, unfortunately...
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23 Dec
23 Dec
8:56 p.m.
On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 03:25:07PM -0700, Bearcat M. Şándor wrote:
I've been looking at the 32-channel Antelope
Orion:
http://www.antelopeaudio.com/en/products/Orion32-Multi-Channel-AD-DA-conver…
I emailed them a while back to verify that it works with Linux and they
told me that it would.
And does it ?
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13 Jan
13 Jan
1:19 p.m.
Hi Hanns Holger,
Quoting Hanns Holger Rutz (2014-12-21 20:38:14)
On 12/21/2014 08:25 PM, Hanns Holger Rutz wrote:
I don't know about the ADATs in class compliant mode, but note
that the UC is NOT a class compliant USB device. That feature
was introduced with the UCX.
Cheers,
Mathis
I was very happy with an RME Fireface UCX, and
the Fireface UC
would be in my price class, but I couldn't see the ADATs, so it's a
bit of wasted money.
Or am I mistaken? The RME specs read as if I should see the ADATs in
CC mode... Then the Fireface UC might be an option as well. Has anyone
managed to get all I/O of the FF UC to work?
2:44 p.m.
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On 01/13/2015 01:19 PM, Mathis Ahrens wrote:
Hi Hanns Holger,
Quoting Hanns Holger Rutz (2014-12-21 20:38:14)
Thanks, I figured that also out in the meantime. Too bad because the
price difference is quite huge.
Anyway, I am waiting for the Focusrite Scarlett to arrive in the post
any minute. Thumbs pressed that it will not be a frustration story. I
will give some feedback of that box once I have had time to thoroughly
test all functionalities.
Best, .hh.
On 12/21/2014 08:25 PM, Hanns Holger Rutz wrote:
I don't know about the ADATs in class compliant mode, but note that
the UC is NOT a class compliant USB device. That feature was
introduced with the UCX. I was very happy with an RME Fireface UCX, and
the Fireface UC
would be in my price class, but I couldn't see the ADATs, so
it's a bit of wasted money.
Or am I mistaken? The RME specs read as if I should see the ADATs
in CC mode... Then the Fireface UC might be an option as well.
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Ok, the Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 arrived. So far it looks good. I have
written up the story with a bit of context here, if you are interested:
https://sciss.github.io/2015/01/13/linux-audio-so-far/
Best, .h.h.
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3:04 p.m.
On Sun, 21 Dec 2014 20:25:12 +0100
Hanns Holger Rutz <contact(a)sciss.de> wrote:
[...]
Has anyone made good use of either of the following:
- - Roland UA-1610 Studio Capture
- - Roland UA-1010 Octa-Capture
- - MOTU 828x
- - MOTU 828 Mk III Hybrid
- - MOTU UltraLite MkIII Hybrid
- - Allen & Heath ICE-16
- - Steinberg UR824
- - Focusrite Scarlett 18i20
I am using the Scarlett 18i8. It's a USB 2.0 class-compliant audio
device, except for the mixer, which currently needs a kernel patch [1].
It works well with the patch. All controls work, no need to boot another
OS to switch anything. You don't get the fancy custom mixer software
like on Windows of course, you can use any Alsa mixer software to
control everything. And the "zero-latency VU monitoring" is missing I
think, but you can do the same thing using Jack.
The patch is in mainline Linux now (I think 3.19), so it should be
working out-of-the-box in all distros soon. :) The only other minor
thing missing seems to be the "save settings to hardware" software
switch, which allows to use the device stand-alone without a computer.
AFAIK this is not in the mainline kernel for now, although it was
supported in the patch.
One other thing: the mixer settings allow themselves to be set to a
positive dB value, which can result in horrible distortion. I just
looked at it with an oscilloscope; audio isn't clipped when it exceeds
0 dB, but wraps around instead, which results in this noise. Must be a
hardware issue. Easy to avoid though: just don't set the mixer controls
above 0dB.
[1] https://github.com/trrichard/alsa-driver_scarlett
3:11 p.m.
New subject: *** GMX Spamverdacht *** Re: Currently recommended multi-channel USB interfaces
On Tue, 13 Jan 2015 15:04:37 +0100
Johannes Kroll <j-kroll(a)gmx.de> wrote:
[...]Scarlett 18i8
Oh, and it has an ADAT input. I don't have anything to connect to it,
but the corresponding capture channels show up in Jack, so I suppose it
works.
3:23 p.m.
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Thanks Johannes; this sounds promising. I probably don't even need the
mixer but will stick to one particular routing most of the time (DAW
outputs sequentially to analog outputs then digital), also I need
neither zero latency monitoring nor standalone operation right now.
I'm using Debian Jessie which I think is the 3.16 kernel. Probably I
can just compile the linked ALSA patch even with the 3.16 kernel?
Best, .h.h.
On 01/13/2015 03:04 PM, Johannes Kroll wrote:
On Sun, 21 Dec 2014 20:25:12 +0100 Hanns Holger Rutz
<contact(a)sciss.de> wrote:
[...] Has anyone made good use of either of the
following:
- - Roland UA-1610 Studio Capture - - Roland UA-1010
Octa-Capture - - MOTU 828x - - MOTU 828 Mk III Hybrid - - MOTU
UltraLite MkIII Hybrid - - Allen & Heath ICE-16 - - Steinberg
UR824 - - Focusrite Scarlett 18i20
I am using the Scarlett 18i8. It's a USB 2.0 class-compliant audio
device, except for the mixer, which currently needs a kernel patch
[1]. It works well with the patch. All controls work, no need to
boot another OS to switch anything. You don't get the fancy custom
mixer software like on Windows of course, you can use any Alsa
mixer software to control everything. And the "zero-latency VU
monitoring" is missing I think, but you can do the same thing using
Jack.
The patch is in mainline Linux now (I think 3.19), so it should be
working out-of-the-box in all distros soon. :) The only other
minor thing missing seems to be the "save settings to hardware"
software switch, which allows to use the device stand-alone without
a computer. AFAIK this is not in the mainline kernel for now,
although it was supported in the patch.
One other thing: the mixer settings allow themselves to be set to
a positive dB value, which can result in horrible distortion. I
just looked at it with an oscilloscope; audio isn't clipped when it
exceeds 0 dB, but wraps around instead, which results in this
noise. Must be a hardware issue. Easy to avoid though: just don't
set the mixer controls above 0dB.
[1] https://github.com/trrichard/alsa-driver_scarlett
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4:05 p.m.
On Tue, 13 Jan 2015 15:23:12 +0100
Hanns Holger Rutz <contact(a)sciss.de> wrote:
Thanks Johannes; this sounds promising. I probably
don't even need the
mixer but will stick to one particular routing most of the time (DAW
outputs sequentially to analog outputs then digital), also I need
neither zero latency monitoring nor standalone operation right now.
I'm using Debian Jessie which I think is the 3.16 kernel. Probably I
can just compile the linked ALSA patch even with the 3.16 kernel?
I have used the patch with 3.11 and 3.13. The code affected by the
patch doesn't seem to change too often, so I guess you can apply it to
3.16 too.
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