c wrote: The ices idea works great. the delay is between 3 and 7 seconds, and seems to vary randomly. A couple of things for anyone else wanting to do this: the ices-jack in the kh svn was broken when i tried this. the tarballs for libshout and ices at karl.mediacast1.com work well. also, mplayer on the video machine dropped the audio signal with a "too many frames in the buffer" error whenever the delay was adjusted to greater than 8 seconds. I fixed this by playing the stream on the audio machine with the -cache 32 option, and also by disabling the burst on connect option for the icecast server. Now is there any way to get dvd menus in mplayer? or if not, how can i figure out which track is the movie on a rented dvd? half the time the first track is some trailer, or a special feature, or something. Also, is jack realy required in this situation, or could i set up a dummy pcm channel in alsa to send the audio to from mplayer and to read it from in ices? (asoundrc?) one last thing, c. I noticed that mplayer natively supports the network audio system. So you don't have to use their limeted player to take advantage of the networkness. Not that i know from personal experience, or anything, but that is what it looks like. thanks, Brian

Lee Revell wrote: mainly desireable for efficeiency. playing a dvd in m player, running ices, and running jackd all at the same time uses nearly 80% of my poor little PIII 750Mhz processor. not to mention the extera 186ms of delay requred in jackd to avoid xruns.

On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 02:35 +0000, c wrote: DR: they are supposed to be different variations of the same logo for different circumstances, rather than being 4 different candidates. (mono for display on a white bg, inverted for a black bg, flat colour for simple colour displays/print and bling version for the sake of bling. (i forgot to take the drop shadow off of the bottom right logo, it shouldn't be there.)) as for the colours, as with everything else, i'm happy to make changes as required. i don't mind if parts of mine are combined with other entries either. c: i like the height. it lends the logo a unique identity. it might be too thin though. a rip off of the vst logo? is that what they teach you in troll school? ;) (it isn't a ripoff of the vst logo, period) cheers, pete. -- ====================== paugh on irc.freenode.org in #sweep, #lad kickback(a)users.sourceforge.net ======================

On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 12:58 +0000, c wrote: you didn't say it had similar elements. you said i was going for a ripoff design. you were wrong and should expect to be called on it when you throw around language like that. perhaps you should think about the significance of what you say. if you did, you would understand why i'm annoyed. so, lets see: "3 characters" indeed there are 3 characters. would you have me put six in the logo instead? or, how many? and which letters should i choose now that the logo can no longer show the actual name of the plugin system that the logo is supposed to represent? "surrounded by a rounded rect" a surround is important in order to facilitate the inverted monochrome version (for display against a black background) in a manner consistent with the requisite variations. as the characters are written from left to right. (i'm not japanese or arabic and so it's natural to me to do it that way.. as did thorwil in each of his designs, i might add). if the fonts are of typical proportions then the footprint will be similar to any other LtR logo of three chars. a border or boundary would normally trace the outline of the text in some way. so, while the end result is not inevitable it's certainly not unusual or even inventive. it's just what you get when you need a border around a simple 3 letter sequence, written LtR. note also that these versions http://www.zenadsl6252.zen.co.uk/logo-corporate-bling.png http://www.zenadsl6252.zen.co.uk/render-plug-1-shrp.png _preceeded_ my final design and when i optimised out the superfluous detail, i ended up with what you now see. "and a shiny coating of some sort" now you are taking the piss. a logo with a reflective surface? heresy!!! in spite of the obvious fact the the vst logo features brushed metal and NOT glass as used in the detail version of my logo, you well know that the glass effect i used is the most over used effect in vector gfx ever. and certainly, the use of reflective surfaces is NOT the sole preserve of the vst logo designers anyway. basically, any similarities are born out of common considerations. within the above constraints, it would be difficult for it to be more dissimilar to the vst logo imo. (different colours, different fonts, asymmetrical layout, solid background, solid border, flat colour, no additional detail, glass not metal, combination of two fonts..) the reason that you prefer thorwil's has little to do with accusing me of ripping off other peoples work. even after that, if your concerns spoke of anything other than personal preference i would still heed them. but they don't. so i won't. i can't please everyone and won't try to do so at the expense of my own opinions anyway. if you think that it's a ripoff of the vst logo even though the layout, fonts and colours used are totally different then i fail to see how changing the text design again is going to change that. personally, i'm happy for one of thorwil's designs to be chosen. i only suggested the competition because i enjoy doing this kind of stuff but if i was also going to submit a logo, then why not anyone else? so yeah, thanks for accusing me of stealing other people's ideas, being manifestly unable to substantiate that claim and obliging me to waste time writing in defence of a project that i undertook for fun in the hopes of contributing to a linux audio project that i care about. have a nice day won't you c. pete.

On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 19:06 +0200, Esben Stien wrote: i like it. you might have to kill Steve to get it passed though. (i don't think he's keen on extraneous detail else i would have submitted those too) ;) pete.

On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 22:00 +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote: dammit Thorsten, you didn't indicate which are mine. now all that money i gave out in bribes was wasted... *ahem* but clearly, having all the chars share one surface is bad for legibility but, having tried separating the chars myself, i just didn't like it. still don't. style over substance? i do still like the design in 2[A,B,C] though. just not with a border for some reason. i guess you're not hating on the colour scheme tho eh =P cheers, pete.