7 Jun
2011
7 Jun
'11
4:20 a.m.
Hi,
I guess this should be a new thread. I also tried to figure out myself
what I'm missing and I asked on Debian users mailing list first. Sorry,
but I've to asked again.
$ uname -a
Linux debian 2.6.39.1 #1 SMP PREEMPT Tue Jun 7 01:40:05 CEST 2011 x86_64
GNU/Linux
I started with my current kernel-rt's config and run make oldconfig.
PREEMPT?
Before I build and installed the kernel I removed all ALSA packages
excepted of libasound2 1.0.23-4, a dependency for the Debian audio
packages. I didn't replace it by a dummy package.
This seems not to be the correct way to use Kernel's ALSA?
I can run
$ jackd --sync -Xalsarawmidi -dalsa -r48000 -p1024
without getting an error message, it's the same for
$ jackd --sync -dalsa -r48000 -p1024
but if I run qjackctl I get
03:11:54.885 Patchbay deactivated.
03:11:54.887 Statistics reset.
03:11:54.913 Could not open ALSA sequencer as a client. ALSA
MIDI patchbay will be not available.
ALSA lib seq_hw.c:457:(snd_seq_hw_open) open /dev/snd/seq
failed: Permission denied
Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directory
Cannot connect to server socket
jack server is not running or cannot be started
E.g. no alsaconf.
The "Xilinx RME Hammerfall DSP MADI" is the RME HDSPe AIO, shouldn't the
name be correct for the new driver/firmware?
When running Jack, instead of showing the name DSP MADI and two MIDI
devices for the DSP MADI, there's no name and only one MIDI device for
the first card, hence the driver/firmware was switched?
# a
a2j alias apt-sortpkgs
atobm
a2j_control alsa_in ar
atop
a2jmidi_bridge alsa_out arch
atopsar
a2jmidid amsynth ardour2
atq
a2p anacron
ardour2-session_exchange.py atrm
a2x analyseplugin arp
aubiocut
ac3dec apm_available arpd
aubionotes
accept applyplugin artscat
aubioonset
accessdb appres artsd
aubiopitch
aclocal apropos artsdsp
aubiotrack
aclocal-1.11 apt-add-repository artsmessage
audacity
aconnectgui apt-cache artsplay
autoconf
acpi apt-cdrom artsrec
autoheader
acpi_available apt-config artsshell
autom4te
acpid apt-extracttemplates artswrapper
automake
acpi_listen apt-ftparchive as
automake-1.11
add-apt-repository apt-get as10k1
autoreconf
addgroup aptitude asciidoc
autoscan
addpart aptitude-create-state-bundle aspell
autoupdate
addr2line aptitude-curses
aspell-autobuildhash awk
add-shell aptitude-run-state-bundle
aspell-import axi-cache
adduser apt-key
asunder
aeolus apt-listchanges
at
agetty apt-mark
atd
# h
h2ph halt hd head helpztags history
horgand hostid html2text hwclock hydrogen
h2xs hash hdparm help hexdump hmac256 host
hostname htop hwinfo
# hwinfo --sound
hal.1: read hal dataprocess 2654: arguments to
dbus_move_error() were
incorrect, assertion "(dest) == NULL ||
!dbus_error_is_set ((dest))"
failed in file dbus-errors.c line 280.
This is normally a bug in some application using the D-Bus library.
libhal.c 3483 : Error unsubscribing to signals, error=The name
org.freedesktop.Hal was not provided by any .service files
29: PCI 200.0: 0401 Multimedia audio controller
[Created at pci.318]
Unique ID: B35A.MZ+CP9Apr_E
Parent ID: H0_h.9zE8Er2g1ED
SysFS ID: /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:06.0/0000:02:00.0
SysFS BusID: 0000:02:00.0
Hardware Class: sound
Model: "Xilinx RME Hammerfall DSP MADI"
Vendor: pci 0x10ee "Xilinx Corporation"
Device: pci 0x3fc6 "RME Hammerfall DSP MADI"
Revision: 0xd4
Driver: "RME Hammerfall DSP MADI"
Driver Modules: "snd_hdspm"
Memory Range: 0xfdbf0000-0xfdbfffff (rw,non-prefetchable)
IRQ: 18 (2402 events)
Module Alias: "pci:v000010EEd00003FC6sv00000000sd00000000bc04sc01i00"
Driver Info #0:
Driver Status: snd_hdspm is active
Driver Activation Cmd: "modprobe snd_hdspm"
Config Status: cfg=new, avail=yes, need=no, active=unknown
Attached to: #11 (PCI bridge)
31: PCI 405.0: 0401 Multimedia audio controller
[Created at pci.318]
Unique ID: wJko.J4wu6rKmng4
Parent ID: qscc.ULOo3yhA66C
SysFS ID: /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:14.4/0000:04:05.0
SysFS BusID: 0000:04:05.0
Hardware Class: sound
Model: "TERRATEC EWX 24/96"
Vendor: pci 0x1412 "VIA Technologies Inc."
Device: pci 0x1712 "ICE1712 [Envy24] PCI Multi-Channel I/O Controller"
SubVendor: pci 0x153b "TERRATEC Electronic GmbH"
SubDevice: pci 0x1130 "EWX 24/96"
Revision: 0x02
Driver: "ICE1712"
Driver Modules: "snd_ice1712"
I/O Ports: 0xbf00-0xbf1f (rw)
I/O Ports: 0xbe00-0xbe0f (rw)
I/O Ports: 0xbd00-0xbd0f (rw)
I/O Ports: 0xbc00-0xbc3f (rw)
IRQ: 20 (3 events)
Module Alias: "pci:v00001412d00001712sv0000153Bsd00001130bc04sc01i00"
Driver Info #0:
Driver Status: snd_ice1712 is active
Driver Activation Cmd: "modprobe snd_ice1712"
Config Status: cfg=new, avail=yes, need=no, active=unknown
Attached to: #23 (PCI bridge)
32: PCI 406.0: 0401 Multimedia audio controller
[Created at pci.318]
Unique ID: +QnG.J4wu6rKmng4
Parent ID: qscc.ULOo3yhA66C
SysFS ID: /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:14.4/0000:04:06.0
SysFS BusID: 0000:04:06.0
Hardware Class: sound
Model: "TERRATEC EWX 24/96"
Vendor: pci 0x1412 "VIA Technologies Inc."
Device: pci 0x1712 "ICE1712 [Envy24] PCI Multi-Channel I/O Controller"
SubVendor: pci 0x153b "TERRATEC Electronic GmbH"
SubDevice: pci 0x1130 "EWX 24/96"
Revision: 0x02
Driver: "ICE1712"
Driver Modules: "snd_ice1712"
I/O Ports: 0xbb00-0xbb1f (rw)
I/O Ports: 0xba00-0xba0f (rw)
I/O Ports: 0xb900-0xb90f (rw)
I/O Ports: 0xb800-0xb83f (rw)
IRQ: 21 (3 events)
Module Alias: "pci:v00001412d00001712sv0000153Bsd00001130bc04sc01i00"
Driver Info #0:
Driver Status: snd_ice1712 is active
Driver Activation Cmd: "modprobe snd_ice1712"
Config Status: cfg=new, avail=yes, need=no, active=unknown
Attached to: #23 (PCI bridge)
I stopped trying to get ALSA 1.0.24 for the current kernel-rt working,
regarding to several recommendations to use kernel 2.6.39.
There's still some information I'll read ...
Regards,
Ralf
7 Jun
7 Jun
8:47 a.m.
On 06/07/2011 04:20 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
I can run
$ jackd --sync -Xalsarawmidi -dalsa -r48000 -p1024
without getting an error message, it's the same for
$ jackd --sync -dalsa -r48000 -p1024
but if I run qjackctl I get
03:11:54.885 Patchbay deactivated.
03:11:54.887 Statistics reset.
03:11:54.913 Could not open ALSA sequencer as a client. ALSA
MIDI patchbay will be not available.
ALSA lib seq_hw.c:457:(snd_seq_hw_open) open /dev/snd/seq
failed: Permission denied
Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directory
Cannot connect to server socket
jack server is not running or cannot be started
lsmod | grep snd
you will need to load the alsa sequencer module.
The "Xilinx RME Hammerfall DSP MADI" is the
RME HDSPe AIO, shouldn't the
name be correct for the new driver/firmware?
the MADI, AIO and raydat cards are very similar hardware and use the
same driver, looks like there's some mixup in there. you can ignore it,
but yes, it should be fixed.
When running Jack, instead of showing the name DSP
MADI and two MIDI
devices for the DSP MADI, there's no name and only one MIDI device for
the first card, hence the driver/firmware was switched?
unlikely. the real hdspm MADI has three midi devices.
11:09 a.m.
2011/6/7 Jörn Nettingsmeier <nettings(a)folkwang-hochschule.de>de>:
On 06/07/2011 04:20 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
And if it's already loaded, be sure that the ownership/permissions on
/dev/snd/seq are usable.
This looks like a problem I recently had with udev on Arch Linux:
https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/24362
but if I run qjackctl I get
03:11:54.885 Patchbay deactivated.
03:11:54.887 Statistics reset.
03:11:54.913 Could not open ALSA sequencer as a client. ALSA
MIDI patchbay will be not available.
ALSA lib seq_hw.c:457:(snd_seq_hw_open) open /dev/snd/seq
failed: Permission denied
Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directory
Cannot connect to server socket
jack server is not running or cannot be started
lsmod | grep snd
you will need to load the alsa sequencer module. 
12:45 p.m.
2011/6/7 mark hadman <markhadman(a)googlemail.com>om>:
And if it's already loaded, be sure that the
ownership/permissions on
/dev/snd/seq are usable.
This looks like a problem I recently had with udev on Arch Linux:
https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/24362
____________________________
that's true,mark. but I think it is related to the udev (update
168->171), not the kernel update itself.
8:01 p.m.
On Tue, 2011-06-07 at 07:45 -0300, Bernardo Barros wrote:
2011/6/7 mark hadman
<markhadman(a)googlemail.com>om>:
Good evening, everyone!
Retrospection
My setup is using libasound2 1.0.23-4 from the Debian
repositories only, any other ALSA packages could be completely
removed, without the need to replace them by dummy packages. I
kept this libasound2, also not a dummy package and installed the
self build kernel 2.6.39.1.
There's e.g. no libasound development package installed.
One issue already is solved, thank you :).
$ ls /dev/snd/seq -lh
crw------- 1 root root 116, 1 Jun 7 16:50 /dev/snd/seq
Anything else already has permissions set to group 'audio'.
$ ls /etc/udev/rules.d
70-persistent-cd.rules 70-persistent-net.rules z60_hdparm.rules
$ su -c gedit
$ cat /etc/udev/rules.d/50-udev-default.rules
# sound
#SUBSYSTEM=="sound", GROUP="audio"
KERNEL=="seq", GROUP="audio", MODE="0660", \
OPTIONS+="static_node=snd/seq"
Then I rebooted.
$ ls /dev/snd/seq -lh
crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 1 Jun 7 2011 /dev/snd/seq
I never tested with SUBSYSTEM=="sound", GROUP="audio", but seemingly
it's at least not needed for Debian.
Now there's another issue when starting qjackctl, while jackd isn't
running:
19:25:31.823 Patchbay deactivated.
19:25:31.826 Statistics reset.
19:25:31.933 ALSA connection change.
Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directory
Cannot connect to server socket
jack server is not running or cannot be started
19:25:31.950 ALSA connection graph change.
19:25:35.367 JACK is starting...
19:25:35.368 /usr/bin/jackd -dalsa -r48000 -p256 -n2 -D -Chw:0 -Phw:0
Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directory
Cannot connect to server socket
jack server is not running or cannot be started
19:25:35.418 Could not start JACK. Sorry.
Running
$ jackd --sync -Xalsarawmidi -dalsa -r48000 -p1024
jackdmp 1.9.8
and then starting qjackctl is ok, btw. the name shown by qjackctl's
connect window is 'RME AIO_579bcc' :).
There's still another issue left.
I need two sound card mixers, envy24control, even if my two TerraTec EWX
96/24 cards now should be MIDI interfaces only and much more important
rather hdspmixer than alsamixer, for the RME HSDSPe AIO.
$ wget ftp://ftp.alsa-project.org/pub/tools/alsa-tools-1.0.24.1.tar.bz2
$ tar xjf alsa-tools-1.0.24.1.tar.bz2
$ cd alsa-tools-1.0.24.1/hdspmixer
$ ./configure
[snip]
configure: error: Sufficiently new version of libasound not found.
Not only needed to build those mixers ;).
There should be /usr/include/alsa and there is
/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.39.1/include/sound.
I'll try a soft link after cooking. Is this correct, or am I mistaken?
OT: Is http://nielsmayer.com/envy24control/mudita24-1.0.3.tar.gz or a
similar mudita version included to alsa-tools or is it an old version? I
don't know which file shows the version.
Regards,
Ralf
And if it's already loaded, be sure that the
ownership/permissions on
/dev/snd/seq are usable.
This looks like a problem I recently had with udev on Arch Linux:
https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/24362
____________________________
that's true,mark. but I think it is related to the udev (update
168->171), not the kernel update itself.
8:04 p.m.
On Tue, 2011-06-07 at 20:01 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Tue, 2011-06-07 at 07:45 -0300, Bernardo Barros
wrote:
Oh I see -p256, pardon, I will test 1024 after cooking *hurry to the
kitchen*.
2011/6/7 mark hadman
<markhadman(a)googlemail.com>om>:
Good evening, everyone!
Retrospection
My setup is using libasound2 1.0.23-4 from the Debian
repositories only, any other ALSA packages could be completely
removed, without the need to replace them by dummy packages. I
kept this libasound2, also not a dummy package and installed the
self build kernel 2.6.39.1.
There's e.g. no libasound development package installed.
One issue already is solved, thank you :).
$ ls /dev/snd/seq -lh
crw------- 1 root root 116, 1 Jun 7 16:50 /dev/snd/seq
Anything else already has permissions set to group 'audio'.
$ ls /etc/udev/rules.d
70-persistent-cd.rules 70-persistent-net.rules z60_hdparm.rules
$ su -c gedit
$ cat /etc/udev/rules.d/50-udev-default.rules
# sound
#SUBSYSTEM=="sound", GROUP="audio"
KERNEL=="seq", GROUP="audio", MODE="0660", \
OPTIONS+="static_node=snd/seq"
Then I rebooted.
$ ls /dev/snd/seq -lh
crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 1 Jun 7 2011 /dev/snd/seq
I never tested with SUBSYSTEM=="sound", GROUP="audio", but seemingly
it's at least not needed for Debian.
Now there's another issue when starting qjackctl, while jackd isn't
running:
19:25:31.823 Patchbay deactivated.
19:25:31.826 Statistics reset.
19:25:31.933 ALSA connection change.
Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directory
Cannot connect to server socket
jack server is not running or cannot be started
19:25:31.950 ALSA connection graph change.
19:25:35.367 JACK is starting...
19:25:35.368 /usr/bin/jackd -dalsa -r48000 -p256 -n2 -D -Chw:0 -Phw:0 And if it's already loaded, be sure that the
ownership/permissions on
/dev/snd/seq are usable.
This looks like a problem I recently had with udev on Arch Linux:
https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/24362
____________________________
that's true,mark. but I think it is related to the udev (update
168->171), not the kernel update itself. Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or
directory
Cannot connect to server socket
jack server is not running or cannot be started
19:25:35.418 Could not start JACK. Sorry.
Running
$ jackd --sync -Xalsarawmidi -dalsa -r48000 -p1024
jackdmp 1.9.8
and then starting qjackctl is ok, btw. the name shown by qjackctl's
connect window is 'RME AIO_579bcc' :).
There's still another issue left.
I need two sound card mixers, envy24control, even if my two TerraTec EWX
96/24 cards now should be MIDI interfaces only and much more important
rather hdspmixer than alsamixer, for the RME HSDSPe AIO.
$ wget ftp://ftp.alsa-project.org/pub/tools/alsa-tools-1.0.24.1.tar.bz2
$ tar xjf alsa-tools-1.0.24.1.tar.bz2
$ cd alsa-tools-1.0.24.1/hdspmixer
$ ./configure
[snip]
configure: error: Sufficiently new version of libasound not found.
Not only needed to build those mixers ;).
There should be /usr/include/alsa and there is
/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.39.1/include/sound.
I'll try a soft link after cooking. Is this correct, or am I mistaken?
OT: Is http://nielsmayer.com/envy24control/mudita24-1.0.3.tar.gz or a
similar mudita version included to alsa-tools or is it an old version? I
don't know which file shows the version.
Regards,
Ralf
9:54 p.m.
On 06/07/2011 08:01 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
{SNIP}
There's still another issue left.
I need two sound card mixers, envy24control, even if my two TerraTec EWX
96/24 cards now should be MIDI interfaces only and much more important
rather hdspmixer than alsamixer, for the RME HSDSPe AIO.
$ wget ftp://ftp.alsa-project.org/pub/tools/alsa-tools-1.0.24.1.tar.bz2
I did not follow all of the thread... But is alsa-tools-1.0.23 not good
enough? `sudo apt-get install alsa-tools` ?!
configure: error: Sufficiently new version of
libasound not found.
Here's a pragmatic way to make a .deb of libasound2 - alsa-lib-1.0.24.1
cd /tmp/
apt-get source libasound2
sudo apt-get build-dep libasound2
mv -vi alsa-lib-1.0.23/ alsa-lib-1.0.24.1
curl ftp://ftp.alsa-project.org/pub/lib/alsa-lib-1.0.24.1.tar.bz2 \
| tar xvj
cd alsa-lib-1.0.24.1
# edit debian/changelog -> alsa-lib (1.0.24.1-1) unstable; urgency=low
# edit debian/rules -> remove line 15-18 (biarch builds)
libtoolize --force --copy --automake
aclocal
autoreconf
debuild -b -us -uc
sudo dpkg -i ../*asound2*.deb
Not only needed to build those mixers ;).
There should be /usr/include/alsa and there is
/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.39.1/include/sound.
/usr/include/alsa/ --- libasound2-dev
/usr/src/linux/include/sound/ --- kernel headers
I'll try a soft link after cooking. Is this
correct, or am I mistaken?
bon appetit,
robin
10:11 p.m.
On Tue, 2011-06-07 at 21:54 +0200, Robin Gareus wrote:
Thank you. This is just libasound without devel files?
but there seems to be the needed headers?!
thank you, right now I'm eating :)
I still can't start jackd by qjackctl.
22:05:03.722 /usr/bin/jackd -dalsa -r48000 -p1024 -n2 -D -Chw:1 -Phw:1
Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directory
Neither using the RME nor the TerraTecs.
This does works:
$ jackd --sync -Xalsarawmidi -dalsa -r48000 -p1024
This
$ jackd --sync -Xalsarawmidi -dalsa -r48000 -p250
causes
Cannot initialize driver
JackServer::Open() failed with -1
Failed to open server
;)
Regards,
Ralf
On 06/07/2011 08:01 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
{SNIP}
I can try this, but building current versions can't harm.
There's still another issue left.
I need two sound card mixers, envy24control, even if my two TerraTec EWX
96/24 cards now should be MIDI interfaces only and much more important
rather hdspmixer than alsamixer, for the RME HSDSPe AIO.
$ wget ftp://ftp.alsa-project.org/pub/tools/alsa-tools-1.0.24.1.tar.bz2
I did not follow all of the thread... But is alsa-tools-1.0.23 not good
enough? `sudo apt-get install alsa-tools` ?! configure: error: Sufficiently new version of
libasound not found.
Here's a pragmatic way to make a .deb of libasound2 - alsa-lib-1.0.24.1
cd /tmp/
apt-get source libasound2
sudo apt-get build-dep libasound2
mv -vi alsa-lib-1.0.23/ alsa-lib-1.0.24.1
curl ftp://ftp.alsa-project.org/pub/lib/alsa-lib-1.0.24.1.tar.bz2 \
| tar xvj
cd alsa-lib-1.0.24.1
# edit debian/changelog -> alsa-lib (1.0.24.1-1) unstable; urgency=low
# edit debian/rules -> remove line 15-18 (biarch builds)
libtoolize --force --copy --automake
aclocal
autoreconf
debuild -b -us -uc
sudo dpkg -i ../*asound2*.deb Not only needed to build those mixers ;).
There should be /usr/include/alsa and there is
/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.39.1/include/sound.
/usr/include/alsa/ --- libasound2-dev
/usr/src/linux/include/sound/ --- kernel headers I'll try a soft link after cooking. Is this
correct, or am I mistaken?
bon appetit,
robin
10:51 p.m.
On 06/07/2011 10:11 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
Thank you. This is just libasound without devel files?
nope, all of it. Here it creates:
/tmp/lib64asound2_1.0.24.1-1_i386.deb
/tmp/lib64asound2-dev_1.0.24.1-1_i386.deb
/tmp/libasound2_1.0.24.1-1_i386.deb
/tmp/libasound2-dev_1.0.24.1-1_i386.deb
/tmp/libasound2-doc_1.0.24.1-1_all.deb
but there seems to be the needed headers?!
"Sufficiently new version of libasound not found."
They're not the right version. see /usr/include/alsa/version.h
Apparently the alsa-tools 1.0.24 use some new symbols/functions which
are not present in alsa-lib-1.0.23.
thank you, right now I'm eating :)
I still can't start jackd by qjackctl.
22:05:03.722 /usr/bin/jackd -dalsa -r48000 -p1024 -n2 -D -Chw:1 -Phw:1
'-C.. -P..'
Did you configure specific Input-Devices AND Output-devices in
qjackctl's setup window instead of just setting the interface globally
and leaving those as "default".
does this work?
/usr/bin/jackd -dalsa -r48000 -p1024 -n2 -D -dhw:1
On Tue, 2011-06-07 at 21:54 +0200, Robin Gareus
wrote:
It will just side-track you. ..and well.. it can potentially do harm:
you waste time, get angry and hit your [head|wife|...] with the
[keyboard|mouse|..] :-p
more seriously: It will cause problems later when updating.
and more generally: Some software that you install as package might not
be built against this version [of the library] and may not work or
behave strangely (though AFAIK alsa-lib-1.0.24's ABI is backwards
compatible with 1.0.23). And some cutting-edge release might be able to
produce sounds that harm your speakers or ears.. (though you're pretty
save with alsa-lib-1.0.24 there).
In general: Unless you have a _good reason_: don't bother to compile
anything and just use [binary] packages from your distributor.
On 06/07/2011 08:01 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
{SNIP}
I can try this, but building current versions can't harm. There's still another issue left.
I need two sound card mixers, envy24control, even if my two TerraTec EWX
96/24 cards now should be MIDI interfaces only and much more important
rather hdspmixer than alsamixer, for the RME HSDSPe AIO.
$ wget ftp://ftp.alsa-project.org/pub/tools/alsa-tools-1.0.24.1.tar.bz2
I did not follow all of the thread... But is alsa-tools-1.0.23 not good
enough? `sudo apt-get install alsa-tools` ?! configure: error: Sufficiently new version of
libasound not found.
Here's a pragmatic way to make a .deb of libasound2 - alsa-lib-1.0.24.1
cd /tmp/
apt-get source libasound2
sudo apt-get build-dep libasound2
mv -vi alsa-lib-1.0.23/ alsa-lib-1.0.24.1
curl ftp://ftp.alsa-project.org/pub/lib/alsa-lib-1.0.24.1.tar.bz2 \
| tar xvj
cd alsa-lib-1.0.24.1
# edit debian/changelog -> alsa-lib (1.0.24.1-1) unstable; urgency=low
# edit debian/rules -> remove line 15-18 (biarch builds)
libtoolize --force --copy --automake
aclocal
autoreconf
debuild -b -us -uc
sudo dpkg -i ../*asound2*.deb Not only needed to build those mixers ;).
There should be /usr/include/alsa and there is
/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.39.1/include/sound.
/usr/include/alsa/ --- libasound2-dev
/usr/src/linux/include/sound/ --- kernel headers I'll try a soft link after cooking. Is this
correct, or am I mistaken?
bon appetit,
robin Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or
directory
Neither using the RME nor the TerraTecs.
This does works:
$ jackd --sync -Xalsarawmidi -dalsa -r48000 -p1024
This
$ jackd --sync -Xalsarawmidi -dalsa -r48000 -p250
BTW. IIRC you should not use the -X... options for JACK-midi but rather
use a2j instead. AFAIK there were/are [timing?] issues with the built-in
JACK midi backends. (see Jeremy's workshop slides on how to launch a2j
using qjackctl's "Execute Script" option.)
HTH,
robin
11:25 p.m.
New subject: [OT] Kernel 2.6.39.1
On Tue, 2011-06-07 at 22:50 +0200, Robin Gareus wrote:
BTW. IIRC you should not use the -X... options for
JACK-midi but rather
use a2j instead. AFAIK there were/are [timing?] issues with the built-in
JACK midi backends. (see Jeremy's workshop slides on how to launch a2j
using qjackctl's "Execute Script" option.)
HTH,
robin
Yesno! Perhaps it's better to avoid -Xseq, but I'm using JACK2 from svn
with -Xalsarawmidi + a2jmidi_bridge to get a jitter free hw MIDI output
of Qtractor's ALSA MIDI. I don't believe latency tests, but I believe
what I hear and what I see for the waveforms. No jitter! Before Jack2
from svn I experienced 1 - 3 ms jitter for hw MIDI (ALSA), depending to
the used MIDI interface, I can't make music even with 1ms jitter, I'm
able to hear this, see the following from jack devel list:
On Sat, 2011-06-04 at 03:54 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
Similar good results as before :)
Cheers!
Ralf
Current Debian testing 64-bit
Two TerraTec EWX24/96 PCI
One RME HDSPe AIO PCI express
# svn up /usr/src/jackmp
At revision 4447.
# chgrp audio /dev/hpet
# chmod g+rw /dev/hpet
# modprobe snd-hrtimer
$ uname -a
Linux debian 2.6.33.9-rt31 #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Thu Jun 2 12:42:46 CEST
2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux
$ jackd --sync -Xalsarawmidi -dalsa -r48000 -p256
'system:midi_capture_1', alias='system:1-1 HDSPM MIDI 1 1 in'
'system:midi_capture_2', alias='system:1-2 HDSPM MIDI 2 1 in'
'system:midi_capture_3', alias='system:2-1 TerraTec EWX24/96 MIDI 1
in'
'system:midi_capture_4', alias='system:3-1
TerraTec EWX24/96 MIDI 1
in'
system:midi_playback_1', alias='system:1-1
HDSPM MIDI 1 1 out'
system:midi_playback_2', alias='system:1-2 HDSPM MIDI 2 1 out'
system:midi_playback_3', alias='system:2-1 TerraTec EWX24/96 MIDI 1
out'
system:midi_playback_4', alias='system:3-1
TerraTec EWX24/96 MIDI 1
out'
CPU frequency scaling performance
$ jack_midi_latency_test -m 3 -s 8192 -t 5 "system:1-1 HDSPM MIDI 1 1
out" "system:1-1 HDSPM MIDI 1 1 in"
Waiting for connections ...
Waiting for test completion ...
Reported out-port latency: 5.33-5.33 ms (256-256 frames)
Reported in-port latency: 5.33-5.33 ms (256-256 frames)
Average latency: 12.23 ms (559.04 frames)
Lowest latency: 12.21 ms (558 frames)
Highest latency: 12.30 ms (562 frames)
Peak MIDI jitter: 0.09 ms (4 frames)
Average MIDI jitter: 0.01 ms (0.18 frames)
Jitter Plot:
0.0 - 0.1 ms: 8192
Latency Plot:
12.2 - 12.3 ms: 8192
Messages sent: 8192
Messages received: 8192
$ jack_midi_latency_test -m 3 -s 8192 -t 5 "system:2-1 TerraTec
EWX24/96
MIDI 1 out" "system:2-1 TerraTec EWX24/96
MIDI 1 in"
Waiting for connections ...
Waiting for test completion ...
Reported out-port latency: 5.33-5.33 ms (256-256 frames)
Reported in-port latency: 5.33-5.33 ms (256-256 frames)
Average latency: 12.23 ms (558.97 frames)
Lowest latency: 12.21 ms (558 frames)
Highest latency: 12.29 ms (562 frames)
Peak MIDI jitter: 0.09 ms (4 frames)
Average MIDI jitter: 0.00 ms (0.05 frames)
Jitter Plot:
0.0 - 0.1 ms: 8192
Latency Plot:
12.2 - 12.3 ms: 8192
Messages sent: 8192
Messages received: 8192
Old install, Edubuntu Maverick 32-bit on the same machine, just two
TerraTec EWX24/96 PCI, no PCI express
Test output copied from
http://lists.jackaudio.org/private.cgi/jack-devel-jackaudio.org/2011-April/…
revision 4290
Linux edubuntu 2.6.33.7.2-rt30 #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Sun Jan 30 21:00:46
CET
2011 i686 GNU/Linux
$ jackd --sync -Xalsarawmidi -dalsa -r48000 -p256
$ jack_midi_latency_test -m 3 -s 8192 -t 5 "system:TerraTec EWX24/96
MIDI out" "system:TerraTec EWX24/96 MIDI in"
Reported out-port latency: 5.33-5.33 ms (256-256 frames)
Reported in-port latency: 5.33-5.33 ms (256-256 frames)
Average latency: 11.06 ms (530.95 frames)
Lowest latency: 11.04 ms (530 frames)
Highest latency: 11.10 ms (533 frames)
Peak MIDI jitter: 0.06 ms (3 frames)
Average MIDI jitter: 0.00 ms (0.02 frames)
Jitter Plot:
0.0 - 0.1 ms: 8192
Latency Plot:
11.0 - 11.1 ms: 8189
11.1 - 11.2 ms: 3
Messages sent: 8192
Messages received: 8192
8 Jun
8 Jun
12:09 a.m.
New subject: PS: [OT] Kernel 2.6.39.1
To avoid any discussion about what people are able to hear and what not,
here an example what people are able to draw from memory:
http://www.google.de/search?q=savant
+drawing&hl=en&biw=1152&bih=674&prmd=ivns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=Kp_uTci0NISChQfh0-GYCQ&sqi=2&ved=0CDMQsAQ
Humans differ ;).
Some people might be unable to hear 1ms jitter, but it's a PITA for me
and my freakiness isn't limited to MIDI jitter or music. But I'm unable
to draw from memory :D, although gifted for drawing and other things.
I'm not audiophile or something similar :D.
On Tue, 2011-06-07 at 23:25 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Tue, 2011-06-07 at 22:50 +0200, Robin Gareus
wrote:
BTW. IIRC you should not use the -X... options
for JACK-midi but rather
use a2j instead. AFAIK there were/are [timing?] issues with the built-in
JACK midi backends. (see Jeremy's workshop slides on how to launch a2j
using qjackctl's "Execute Script" option.)
HTH,
robin
Yesno! Perhaps it's better to avoid -Xseq, but I'm using JACK2 from svn
with -Xalsarawmidi + a2jmidi_bridge to get a jitter free hw MIDI output
of Qtractor's ALSA MIDI. I don't believe latency tests, but I believe
what I hear and what I see for the waveforms. No jitter! Before Jack2
from svn I experienced 1 - 3 ms jitter for hw MIDI (ALSA), depending to
the used MIDI interface, I can't make music even with 1ms jitter, I'm
able to hear this, see the following from jack devel list:
On Sat, 2011-06-04 at 03:54 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
Similar good results as before :)
Cheers!
Ralf
Current Debian testing 64-bit
Two TerraTec EWX24/96 PCI
One RME HDSPe AIO PCI express
# svn up /usr/src/jackmp
At revision 4447.
# chgrp audio /dev/hpet
# chmod g+rw /dev/hpet
# modprobe snd-hrtimer
$ uname -a
Linux debian 2.6.33.9-rt31 #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Thu Jun 2 12:42:46 CEST
2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux
$ jackd --sync -Xalsarawmidi -dalsa -r48000 -p256
'system:midi_capture_1', alias='system:1-1 HDSPM MIDI 1 1 in'
'system:midi_capture_2', alias='system:1-2 HDSPM MIDI 2 1 in'
'system:midi_capture_3', alias='system:2-1 TerraTec EWX24/96 MIDI 1
in'
'system:midi_capture_4',
alias='system:3-1 TerraTec EWX24/96 MIDI 1
in'
system:midi_playback_1',
alias='system:1-1 HDSPM MIDI 1 1 out'
system:midi_playback_2', alias='system:1-2 HDSPM MIDI 2 1 out'
system:midi_playback_3', alias='system:2-1 TerraTec EWX24/96 MIDI 1
out'
system:midi_playback_4',
alias='system:3-1 TerraTec EWX24/96 MIDI 1
out'
CPU frequency scaling performance
$ jack_midi_latency_test -m 3 -s 8192 -t 5 "system:1-1 HDSPM MIDI 1 1
out" "system:1-1 HDSPM MIDI 1 1 in"
Waiting for connections ...
Waiting for test completion ...
Reported out-port latency: 5.33-5.33 ms (256-256 frames)
Reported in-port latency: 5.33-5.33 ms (256-256 frames)
Average latency: 12.23 ms (559.04 frames)
Lowest latency: 12.21 ms (558 frames)
Highest latency: 12.30 ms (562 frames)
Peak MIDI jitter: 0.09 ms (4 frames)
Average MIDI jitter: 0.01 ms (0.18 frames)
Jitter Plot:
0.0 - 0.1 ms: 8192
Latency Plot:
12.2 - 12.3 ms: 8192
Messages sent: 8192
Messages received: 8192
$ jack_midi_latency_test -m 3 -s 8192 -t 5 "system:2-1 TerraTec
EWX24/96
MIDI 1 out" "system:2-1 TerraTec
EWX24/96 MIDI 1 in"
Waiting for connections ...
Waiting for test completion ...
Reported out-port latency: 5.33-5.33 ms (256-256 frames)
Reported in-port latency: 5.33-5.33 ms (256-256 frames)
Average latency: 12.23 ms (558.97 frames)
Lowest latency: 12.21 ms (558 frames)
Highest latency: 12.29 ms (562 frames)
Peak MIDI jitter: 0.09 ms (4 frames)
Average MIDI jitter: 0.00 ms (0.05 frames)
Jitter Plot:
0.0 - 0.1 ms: 8192
Latency Plot:
12.2 - 12.3 ms: 8192
Messages sent: 8192
Messages received: 8192
Old install, Edubuntu Maverick 32-bit on the same machine, just two
TerraTec EWX24/96 PCI, no PCI express
Test output copied from
http://lists.jackaudio.org/private.cgi/jack-devel-jackaudio.org/2011-April/…
revision 4290
Linux edubuntu 2.6.33.7.2-rt30 #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Sun Jan 30 21:00:46
CET
> 2011 i686 GNU/Linux
>
> $ jackd --sync -Xalsarawmidi -dalsa -r48000 -p256
>
> $ jack_midi_latency_test -m 3 -s 8192 -t 5 "system:TerraTec EWX24/96
> MIDI out" "system:TerraTec EWX24/96 MIDI in"
> Reported out-port latency: 5.33-5.33 ms (256-256 frames)
> Reported in-port latency: 5.33-5.33 ms (256-256 frames)
> Average latency: 11.06 ms (530.95 frames)
> Lowest latency: 11.04 ms (530 frames)
> Highest latency: 11.10 ms (533 frames)
> Peak MIDI jitter: 0.06 ms (3 frames)
> Average MIDI jitter: 0.00 ms (0.02 frames)
>
> Jitter Plot:
> 0.0 - 0.1 ms: 8192
>
> Latency Plot:
> 11.0 - 11.1 ms: 8189
> 11.1 - 11.2 ms: 3
>
> Messages sent: 8192
> Messages received: 8192 
12:38 a.m.
New subject: PS: [OT] Kernel 2.6.39.1
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 6:08 PM, Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf(a)alice-dsl.net> wrote:
Some people might be unable to hear 1ms jitter, but
it's a PITA for me
and my freakiness isn't limited to MIDI jitter or music. But I'm unable
to draw from memory :D, although gifted for drawing and other things.
I suggest that if you're up for reading a long article, you read all of this:
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/04/25/110425fa_fact_bilger?currentP…
If you're up fo reading a shorter text, you read the last 1/3 of it,
starting after a paragraph that begins with "I joined Eagleman in
London".
If you really don't want to read ... yeah, some of the world's best
rock drummers are sensitive to 2-6msec, but of lag, not jitter, and
when playing, the best was within 10msec.
If you believe that your sense of timing is better than the guys
mentioned there, get in touch with Eno. Also, we'll start a collection
to buy you a drum kit.
--p
12:50 a.m.
New subject: PS: [OT] Kernel 2.6.39.1
On Tue, 2011-06-07 at 18:38 -0400, Paul Davis wrote:
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 6:08 PM, Ralf Mardorf
<ralf.mardorf(a)alice-dsl.net> wrote:
I'm completely untalented for drumming, I'm not kidding or sarcastic.
My guitar playing is also within 10ms and sometimes much more worse, but
for syncopation e.g. this human 'jitter' tends to be always to early,
seldom to be to late, it's different for a machine. Also recording at
first the hi hat, then the snare, then the kick, one after the other
causes different timing for all those instruments, while a drummer is
playing all instruments at the same pass. You cant compare this!
Reflect!
-- Rrrrrrrrrr
Some people might be unable to hear 1ms jitter,
but it's a PITA for me
and my freakiness isn't limited to MIDI jitter or music. But I'm unable
to draw from memory :D, although gifted for drawing and other things.
I suggest that if you're up for reading a long article, you read all of this:
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/04/25/110425fa_fact_bilger?currentP…
If you're up fo reading a shorter text, you read the last 1/3 of it,
starting after a paragraph that begins with "I joined Eagleman in
London".
If you really don't want to read ... yeah, some of the world's best
rock drummers are sensitive to 2-6msec, but of lag, not jitter, and
when playing, the best was within 10msec.
If you believe that your sense of timing is better than the guys
mentioned there, get in touch with Eno. Also, we'll start a collection
to buy you a drum kit.
1:08 a.m.
New subject: PS: [OT] Kernel 2.6.39.1
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 6:50 PM, Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf(a)alice-dsl.net> wrote:
I'm completely untalented for drumming, I'm
not kidding or sarcastic.
My guitar playing is also within 10ms and sometimes much more worse, but
for syncopation e.g. this human 'jitter' tends to be always to early,
seldom to be to late, it's different for a machine.
OK, so you chose not to read the article. That's a shame because its
actually one of the most interesting things i've read in a long time
(not so much the stuff about musical timing, but even that).
1:16 a.m.
New subject: PS: [OT] Kernel 2.6.39.1
On Tue, 2011-06-07 at 19:08 -0400, Paul Davis wrote:
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 6:50 PM, Ralf Mardorf
<ralf.mardorf(a)alice-dsl.net> wrote:
I'll read this article, because I'm interested in such things, not only
regarding to music, I started reading, but 1. I'm a dyslexic and 2. my
English is terribly broken, so I have to delay reading it. It's 01:12 (1
hour after midnight) in Germany, not a good time for me, to read a long
text, even in German.
Again. I like timing of humans and 4 to 15 ms is what I experience as
pleasant, but this is not related to jitter by a machine, when recording
a rhythm group, one instrument after the other. We aren't talking about
the same topic.
Regards,
Ralf
I'm weak ... I discuss :D
I'm completely untalented for drumming,
I'm not kidding or sarcastic.
My guitar playing is also within 10ms and sometimes much more worse, but
for syncopation e.g. this human 'jitter' tends to be always to early,
seldom to be to late, it's different for a machine.
OK, so you chose not to read the article. That's a shame because its
actually one of the most interesting things i've read in a long time
(not so much the stuff about musical timing, but even that). 
1:22 a.m.
New subject: PS: [OT] Kernel 2.6.39.1
On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 19:08:52 -0400
Paul Davis <paul(a)linuxaudiosystems.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 6:50 PM, Ralf Mardorf
<ralf.mardorf(a)alice-dsl.net> wrote:
I thought it was a fascinating read too. I was about to go to bed, but now it
woke me up so much I'll probably not get off for hours :/
--
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.
I'm completely untalented for drumming,
I'm not kidding or sarcastic.
My guitar playing is also within 10ms and sometimes much more worse, but
for syncopation e.g. this human 'jitter' tends to be always to early,
seldom to be to late, it's different for a machine.
OK, so you chose not to read the article. That's a shame because its
actually one of the most interesting things i've read in a long time
(not so much the stuff about musical timing, but even that).
1:47 a.m.
New subject: PS: [OT] Kernel 2.6.39.1
On Wed, 2011-06-08 at 00:22 +0100, Folderol wrote:
On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 19:08:52 -0400
Paul Davis <paul(a)linuxaudiosystems.com> wrote:
It's about time in general, e.g. "in life-threatening situations, time
seems to slow down" ... e.g. somebody doing a suicide by throwing
himself in front of a train, then it's very probably that he will
discern time much slower, this is to enable humans in other situations
to safe life. For some highly gifted people, Asperger and others similar
happens in normal life very often. I'm such a person, but this anyway
has nothing to do with the machine jitter. I guess I don't need to read
the whole text, because this is one of the things I occupied with a lot.
I guess a lot of people have a completely wrong imagination about who
I'm and what I'm thinking etc..
Again, I never claimed that a pleasant timing with syncopation for me is
a bad timing, I'm referring to recordings of MIDI tracks for the rhythm
section, by recoding one instrument after the other, so that each
instrument will have different jitter, without being coloured by the
emotions a human has got. This is a completely different topic.
E.g. the Haas effect is a rule that is true, but also has nothing to do
with this topic.
Regards,
Ralf
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 6:50 PM, Ralf Mardorf
<ralf.mardorf(a)alice-dsl.net> wrote:
I thought it was a fascinating read too. I was about to go to bed, but now it
woke me up so much I'll probably not get off for hours :/
I'm completely untalented for drumming,
I'm not kidding or sarcastic.
My guitar playing is also within 10ms and sometimes much more worse, but
for syncopation e.g. this human 'jitter' tends to be always to early,
seldom to be to late, it's different for a machine.
OK, so you chose not to read the article. That's a shame because its
actually one of the most interesting things i've read in a long time
(not so much the stuff about musical timing, but even that).
1:03 a.m.
New subject: PS: [OT] Kernel 2.6.39.1
On Tue, 2011-06-07 at 18:38 -0400, Paul Davis wrote:
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 6:08 PM, Ralf Mardorf
<ralf.mardorf(a)alice-dsl.net> wrote:
60,000/120BPM=500ms 1/4 --> 31.3 1/64 --> 15.6ms 1/128 musicians are
within a 1/128, I often synced MIDI events to recordings of musicians,
e.g. my own guitar playing, but again don't compare fruits with
minerals.
Some people might be unable to hear 1ms jitter,
but it's a PITA for me
and my freakiness isn't limited to MIDI jitter or music. But I'm unable
to draw from memory :D, although gifted for drawing and other things.
I suggest that if you're up for reading a long article, you read all of this:
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/04/25/110425fa_fact_bilger?currentP…
If you're up fo reading a shorter text, you read the last 1/3 of it,
starting after a paragraph that begins with "I joined Eagleman in
London".
If you really don't want to read ... yeah, some of the world's best
rock drummers are sensitive to 2-6msec, but of lag, not jitter, and
when playing, the best was within 10msec.
If you believe that your sense of timing is better than the guys
mentioned there, get in touch with Eno. Also, we'll start a collection
to buy you a drum kit.
--p 
1:57 a.m.
New subject: PS: [OT] Kernel 2.6.39.1
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Paul Davis <paul(a)linuxaudiosystems.com> wrote:
I suggest that if you're up for reading a long
article, you read all of this:
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/04/25/110425fa_fact_bilger?currentP…
That was a fantastic article. Thank you for posting it.
--
Devin Anderson
devin (at) charityfinders (dot) com
CharityFinders - http://www.charityfinders.com/
synthclone - http://synthclone.googlecode.com/
2:58 a.m.
New subject: PS: [OT] Kernel 2.6.39.1
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 7:57 PM, Devin Anderson <devin(a)charityfinders.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Paul Davis
<paul(a)linuxaudiosystems.com> wrote:
you're welcome. the day i read this i felt like i had died and gone to heaven.
however, i should point out that i got the link to this from a web
site that links to stuff of (almost) this quality every day:
Arts & Letters Daily
http://www.aldaily.com/
its an absolute treasure-trove of links to well written, deep,
intellectual articles and reviews. just enough flow keep to up with,
to keep coming back to, but not so much as to feel overwhelmed.
and now we're way, way off topic :)
--p
I suggest that if you're up for reading a
long article, you read all of this:
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/04/25/110425fa_fact_bilger?currentP…
That was a fantastic article. Thank you for posting it. 
3:29 a.m.
New subject: PS: [OT] Kernel 2.6.39.1
On 06/08/2011 02:58 AM, Paul Davis wrote:
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 7:57 PM, Devin Anderson
<devin(a)charityfinders.com> wrote:
How would you know what that feels like? :)
Have you read Eagleman's "Sum"?
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Paul Davis
<paul(a)linuxaudiosystems.com> wrote:
you're welcome. the day i read this i felt like i had died and gone to heaven.
I suggest that if you're up for reading a
long article, you read all of this:
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/04/25/110425fa_fact_bilger?currentP…
That was a fantastic article. Thank you for posting it. however, i should point out that i got the link to
this from a web
site that links to stuff of (almost) this quality every day:
Arts & Letters Daily
http://www.aldaily.com/
its an absolute treasure-trove of links to well written, deep,
intellectual articles and reviews. just enough flow keep to up with,
to keep coming back to, but not so much as to feel overwhelmed.
and now we're way, way off topic :)
--p
Philosophy, aesthetics, literature, language, ideas, criticism,
..., trends, breakthrough, disputes, gossip (http://www.aldaily.com/)
do all fit a "[linux] kernel 2.6.39.1" thread!
Even more so in contrast with the original email (about libasound,
qjackctl,..) using this subject.
Thanks for sharing this site.
robin
--p
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4:14 a.m.
New subject: PS: [OT] Kernel 2.6.39.1
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 9:29 PM, Robin Gareus <robin(a)linuxaudio.org> wrote:
of course :)
you're
welcome. the day i read this i felt like i had died and gone to heaven.
How would you know what that feels like? :)
Have you read Eagleman's "Sum"?
4:57 a.m.
New subject: PS: [OT] Kernel 2.6.39.1
On Tue, 2011-06-07 at 22:14 -0400, Paul Davis wrote:
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 9:29 PM, Robin Gareus
<robin(a)linuxaudio.org> wrote:
of course :)
I guess the article is very interesting for people who never had
interest in this stuff before, but it's just touching the surface.
"If someone says, “The mouse on the desk is broken,” your mind calls
forth a different image than if you hear, “The mouse on the desk is
eating cheese.” Your brain registers the word “mouse,” waits for its
context, and only then goes back to visualize it. But language leaves
time for second thoughts. The flash-lag effect seems instantaneous. It’s
as if the word “mouse” were changed to “track pad” before you even heard
it."
What is with people who are 'right-brained'? Thinking non-verbal? For me
e.g. (a + b)2 = a2 + 2ab + b2 ; a2 + b2 = (a + b)2 − 2ab and stuff like
that is a film of wobbling colours, when calculating. I'm not thinking
in colours.
What is with people having diseases such as HD?
As a coder you might do some experiments by simulating biologically
intelligence. 20 years ago I started with "Introduction of Neural
Networks" J Stanly / E. Bak 1988 California Scientific Software
Marvin Minsky and Joseph Weizenbaum were the heroes of my childhood, I
never was interested in soccer and such stuff.
Resume: It's a good article, but pardon, just touching the surface and
has absolutely nothing to do with MIDI jitter.
Anyway, an interesting trip, I like OT :)
Ralf
you're welcome. the day i read this i felt like i had died and gone to heaven.
How would you know what that feels like? :)
Have you read Eagleman's "Sum"?
5 a.m.
New subject: PS: [OT] Kernel 2.6.39.1
On Wed, 2011-06-08 at 04:56 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Tue, 2011-06-07 at 22:14 -0400, Paul Davis wrote:
^^^^^^^
numbers ... dyslexia *lol* ... thinking correct, but translating into
the wrong word, a unintended example :)
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 9:29 PM, Robin Gareus
<robin(a)linuxaudio.org> wrote:
of course :)
I guess the article is very interesting for people who never had
interest in this stuff before, but it's just touching the surface.
"If someone says, “The mouse on the desk is broken,” your mind calls
forth a different image than if you hear, “The mouse on the desk is
eating cheese.” Your brain registers the word “mouse,” waits for its
context, and only then goes back to visualize it. But language leaves
time for second thoughts. The flash-lag effect seems instantaneous. It’s
as if the word “mouse” were changed to “track pad” before you even heard
it."
What is with people who are 'right-brained'? Thinking non-verbal? For me
e.g. (a + b)2 = a2 + 2ab + b2 ; a2 + b2 = (a + b)2 − 2ab and stuff like
that is a film of wobbling colours, when calculating. I'm not thinking
in colours.
you're welcome. the day i read this i felt like i had died and gone to heaven.
How would you know what that feels like? :)
Have you read Eagleman's "Sum"? What is with people having diseases such as HD?
As a coder you might do some experiments by simulating biologically
intelligence. 20 years ago I started with "Introduction of Neural
Networks" J Stanly / E. Bak 1988 California Scientific Software
Marvin Minsky and Joseph Weizenbaum were the heroes of my childhood, I
never was interested in soccer and such stuff.
Resume: It's a good article, but pardon, just touching the surface and
has absolutely nothing to do with MIDI jitter.
Anyway, an interesting trip, I like OT :)
Ralf
1:06 p.m.
New subject: PS: [OT] Kernel 2.6.39.1
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 10:56 PM, Ralf Mardorf
<ralf.mardorf(a)alice-dsl.net> wrote:
On Tue, 2011-06-07 at 22:14 -0400, Paul Davis wrote:
its an article in a general interest magazine that is fundamentally a
profile of an academic researcher. what would you expect? eagleman
publishes semi-regularly in scientific journals but at this point in
time, i haven't read any of his academic papers.
i cited it because you claimed to be sensitive to 1msec jitter. the
article mentioned that some very experienced drummers barely get down
to this level, especially for jitter. you basically claimed that your
sensitivity to jitter exceeds that of some like larry mullen jr., and
then went on to claim to claim that your timing when playing *guitar*
is as accurate as the drummers tested by eagleman & eno.
i hesitate to step right out and say bullshit (particularly given the
Eno/Mullen Jr. story mentioned in the article regarding the click
track), but i'm sort of close to it.
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 9:29 PM, Robin Gareus
<robin(a)linuxaudio.org> wrote:
of course :)
I guess the article is very interesting for people who never had
interest in this stuff before, but it's just touching the surface.
you're welcome. the day i read this i felt like i had died and gone to heaven.
How would you know what that feels like? :)
Have you read Eagleman's "Sum"? As a coder you might do some experiments by simulating
biologically intelligence.
I was an attendee and participant at the 2nd artificial life
conference in Sante Fe in 1992. I considered that far more interesting
and promising than "artificial intelligence". Subsequently however i
got into audio & MIDI programming which is less interesting but more
fun.
11:08 a.m.
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On Tue, Jun 07, 2011 at 10:14:13PM -0400, Paul Davis wrote:
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 9:29 PM, Robin Gareus
<robin(a)linuxaudio.org> wrote:
of course :)
Also c.f. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po2rkkLoESk
And also c.f. http://prn.s3.amazonaws.com/what_time_is_it.ogg
-ken
you're welcome. the day i read this i felt like i had died and gone to heaven.
How would you know what that feels like? :)
Have you read Eagleman's "Sum"? 
11:27 a.m.
New subject: PS: [OT] Kernel 2.6.39.1
On 06/08/2011 11:08 AM, Ken Restivo wrote:
The rest of the album is great too, one of the best Fountains of Wayne
albums. Good memories, holiday music :) Thanks for bringing it up :)
Best,
Jeremy
11:36 a.m.
New subject: PS: [OT] Kernel 2.6.39.1
On 8 June 2011 10:08, Ken Restivo <ken(a)restivo.org> wrote:
And also c.f.
http://prn.s3.amazonaws.com/what_time_is_it.ogg
Where did you get this from? Who/What is it?
3:58 a.m.
New subject: [a link by Arts & Letters Daily let it become on-topic again] [OT] Kernel 2.6.39.1
On Tue, 2011-06-07 at 20:58 -0400, Paul Davis wrote:
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 7:57 PM, Devin Anderson
<devin(a)charityfinders.com> wrote:
Yes and much more important than milliseconds are the links, regarding
to the view of the USA about Europe, e.g.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304906004576369572348921238.h…
Fortunately I get the whole wages tax back when doing the annual
adjustment of income tax. 'They', the industrialist and their lackeys,
the politicians, cheat everybody here in Europe. Unfortunately and now
it becomes on-topic again, the RME HDSPe AIO ordered by the same German
dealer, is less expensive when ordering from England, instead of
ordering from Germany. Ok, just half-on-topic.
Gute Nacht!
Ralf
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Paul Davis
<paul(a)linuxaudiosystems.com> wrote:
you're welcome. the day i read this i felt like i had died and gone to heaven.
however, i should point out that i got the link to this from a web
site that links to stuff of (almost) this quality every day:
Arts & Letters Daily
http://www.aldaily.com/
its an absolute treasure-trove of links to well written, deep,
intellectual articles and reviews. just enough flow keep to up with,
to keep coming back to, but not so much as to feel overwhelmed.
and now we're way, way off topic :) I suggest that if you're up for reading a
long article, you read all of this:
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/04/25/110425fa_fact_bilger?currentP…
That was a fantastic article. Thank you for posting it.
4:41 a.m.
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On 06/08/2011 03:58 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Tue, 2011-06-07 at 20:58 -0400, Paul Davis wrote:
German Telecom is ripping off people. News at 11.
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 7:57 PM, Devin Anderson
<devin(a)charityfinders.com> wrote:
Yes and much more important than milliseconds are the links, regarding
to the view of the USA about Europe, e.g.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304906004576369572348921238.h…
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Paul Davis
<paul(a)linuxaudiosystems.com> wrote:
you're welcome. the day i read this i felt like i had died and gone to heaven.
however, i should point out that i got the link to this from a web
site that links to stuff of (almost) this quality every day:
Arts & Letters Daily
http://www.aldaily.com/
its an absolute treasure-trove of links to well written, deep,
intellectual articles and reviews. just enough flow keep to up with,
to keep coming back to, but not so much as to feel overwhelmed.
and now we're way, way off topic :) I suggest that if you're up for reading a
long article, you read all of this:
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/04/25/110425fa_fact_bilger?currentP…
That was a fantastic article. Thank you for posting it. Fortunately I get the whole wages tax back when doing
the annual
adjustment of income tax. 'They', the industrialist and their lackeys,
the politicians, cheat everybody here in Europe. Unfortunately and now
it becomes on-topic again, the RME HDSPe AIO ordered by the same German
dealer, is less expensive when ordering from England, instead of
ordering from Germany. Ok, just half-on-topic.
So? Open an import/export shop if you feel up to it.
Well, let me try to take this discussion back to linux-audio and F/LOSS.
While reading about the author of the Book "Physical Audio Signal
Processing" ( http://www.dsprelated.com/dspbooks/pasp/ ) I stumbled over
this earlier today:
<quote>
"When I need to solve a new problem, I search the Web, download new
tools, study the documentation as needed, and keep things moving in one
sitting (without entering my credit-card number all the time). Such
accelerated, cross-disciplinary problem-solving increases overall
productivity, and in my opinion this should be a top priority
until everyone in the world has a decent standard of living and
population growth is slower than economic growth.
In other words, Job 1 for all of us should be "creating wealth" in our
own way, and free open-source software contributes significantly to this
goal for software engineers.
</quote>
( http://www.dsprelated.com/showarticle/65.php )
Don't rant, do something :)
robin
5:42 a.m.
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On Wed, 2011-06-08 at 04:41 +0200, Robin Gareus wrote:
On 06/08/2011 03:58 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
Interesting, btw. for me a flat should look like this room:
https://ccrma.stanford.edu/sites/default/files/user/sleitman/max.jpg?130351…
While I'm happy to be younger than this man, still having long hair.
On Tue, 2011-06-07 at 20:58 -0400, Paul Davis
wrote:
German Telecom is ripping off people. News at 11.
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 7:57 PM, Devin Anderson
<devin(a)charityfinders.com> wrote:
Yes and much more important than milliseconds are the links, regarding
to the view of the USA about Europe, e.g.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304906004576369572348921238.h…
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Paul Davis
<paul(a)linuxaudiosystems.com> wrote:
> I suggest that if you're up for reading a long article, you read all of this:
>
> http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/04/25/110425fa_fact_bilger?currentP…
That was a fantastic article. Thank you for posting it.
you're welcome. the day i read this i felt like i had died and gone to heaven.
however, i should point out that i got the link to this from a web
site that links to stuff of (almost) this quality every day:
Arts & Letters Daily
http://www.aldaily.com/
its an absolute treasure-trove of links to well written, deep,
intellectual articles and reviews. just enough flow keep to up with,
to keep coming back to, but not so much as to feel overwhelmed.
and now we're way, way off topic :) Fortunately I get the whole wages tax back when
doing the annual
adjustment of income tax. 'They', the industrialist and their lackeys,
the politicians, cheat everybody here in Europe. Unfortunately and now
it becomes on-topic again, the RME HDSPe AIO ordered by the same German
dealer, is less expensive when ordering from England, instead of
ordering from Germany. Ok, just half-on-topic.
So? Open an import/export shop if you feel up to it.
Well, let me try to take this discussion back to linux-audio and F/LOSS.
While reading about the author of the Book "Physical Audio Signal
Processing" ( http://www.dsprelated.com/dspbooks/pasp/ ) I stumbled over
this earlier today: 
<quote>
"When I need to solve a new problem, I search the Web, download new
tools, study the documentation as needed, and keep things moving in one
sitting (without entering my credit-card number all the time). Such
accelerated, cross-disciplinary problem-solving increases overall
productivity, and in my opinion this should be a top priority
until everyone in the world has a decent standard of living and
population growth is slower than economic growth.
In other words, Job 1 for all of us should be "creating wealth" in our
own way, and free open-source software contributes significantly to this
goal for software engineers.
</quote>
( http://www.dsprelated.com/showarticle/65.php )
Don't rant, do something :)
robin
I'm doing 'something' :), but I'm not interested in opening a shop.
I've
a lot to do with migrants and such social issues. Btw. before there was
the web, there already were public libraries, not only for people who
wish to read, sciences and arts already before there was the Internet
spread information for free by pictures :). Full ACK with this quote,
exactly the way I'm living. Note, most of my computer originally is from
bulk dump, I only changed parts, when there was the need to do so. E.g.
now I had to buy a new mouse, because Debian and Ubuntu dropped the
support ;). I'm using PPPoE and a monitor ;) and even the RME sound card
is less expensive than a valid 4-Track cassette recorder was. I'm
completely against secrecy of knowledge. I'm a thorn in e.g. Dirk
Brauner's flesh, regarding to this. I should sell my knowledge to
Neumann *lol*.
Off-list? Who cares, I already pushed Group reply ..., but really a
little bit too OT IMO.
Are this audio books those celebrated standard works? In my mind there
are white book covers with blue letters, I saw in the hands of other
people, I never 'read' those books myself. Perhaps I'm confusing the
books with "Röhrentechnik ganz modern" it's white and blue.
Cheers!
Ralf
11:26 a.m.
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----- "Robin Gareus" <robin(a)gareus.org> wrote:
While reading about the author of the Book
"Physical Audio Signal
Processing" ( http://www.dsprelated.com/dspbooks/pasp/ ) I stumbled
thanks for pointing that out.
Hell, when did Julius O. Smith 3rd of the name put this book
(and the three others on the website) online?
A must-read for every audio hacker out there!
1:02 p.m.
New subject: [a link by Arts & Letters Daily let it become on-topic again] [OT] Kernel 2.6.39.1
On 06/08/2011 11:26 AM, Cedric Roux wrote:
----- "Robin Gareus"
<robin(a)gareus.org> wrote:
Dunno, his blog on dsprelated is from 2008. The last revision of PASP is
from dec 2010 - BTW. it includes a detailed analysis of Fons' zita-rev1
(!) and has a couple of references to FAUST.
While reading about the author of the Book
"Physical Audio Signal
Processing" ( http://www.dsprelated.com/dspbooks/pasp/ ) I stumbled
thanks for pointing that out.
Hell, when did Julius O. Smith 3rd of the name put this book
(and the three others on the website) online? A must-read for every audio hacker out there!
yes they are. They're all linked in the section "Online Books" at
https://ccrma.stanford.edu/~jos/pubs.html
http://www.dsprelated.com/dspbooks/sasp/Book_Series_Overview.html
gives a neat overview of what is covered in each book and illustrates
the dependencies.
Kudos to Julius Orion Smith III. It's a very very very nice thing to
make those available on-line! Heck, he even published and documented the
LaTeX templates to make those books (html & pdf). If the LAC2012 is
taking place at Stanford: let's all buy him a beer :)
robin
10:59 a.m.
New subject: PS: [OT] Kernel 2.6.39.1
On Tue, Jun 07, 2011 at 08:58:44PM -0400, Paul Davis wrote:
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 7:57 PM, Devin Anderson
<devin(a)charityfinders.com> wrote:
c.f. "An Occurrence on Owl Creek Bridge", by Ambrose Bierce.
-ken
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Paul Davis
<paul(a)linuxaudiosystems.com> wrote:
you're welcome. the day i read this i felt like i had died and gone to heaven.
however, i should point out that i got the link to this from a web
site that links to stuff of (almost) this quality every day:
Arts & Letters Daily
http://www.aldaily.com/
its an absolute treasure-trove of links to well written, deep,
intellectual articles and reviews. just enough flow keep to up with,
to keep coming back to, but not so much as to feel overwhelmed.
and now we're way, way off topic :)
I suggest that if you're up for reading a
long article, you read all of this:
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/04/25/110425fa_fact_bilger?currentP…
That was a fantastic article. Thank you for posting it.
1:01 a.m.
New subject: PS: [OT] Kernel 2.6.39.1
On Tue, 2011-06-07 at 23:25 +0200, Ralf Mardorf
wrote:
> On Tue, 2011-06-07 at 22:50 +0200, Robin Gareus wrote:
>> BTW. IIRC you should not use the -X... options for JACK-midi but rather
>> use a2j instead. AFAIK there were/are [timing?] issues with the built-in
>> JACK midi backends. (see Jeremy's workshop slides on how to launch a2j
>> using qjackctl's "Execute Script" option.)
Well, actually this comment of mine is somewhat outdated. Sorry.
jackd2's -Xalsarawmidi is indeed a very good. I'm not up-to-date with
current jack1 and tschak implementations of JACK-MIDI backends. There
were issues in the past. Those might be resolved now.
Nevertheless, a2jmidid is a good solution for all versions of JACK.
>> HTH,
>> robin
>
> Yesno! Perhaps it's better to avoid -Xseq, but I'm using JACK2 from svn
> with -Xalsarawmidi + a2jmidi_bridge to get a jitter free hw MIDI output
> of Qtractor's ALSA MIDI. I don't believe latency tests,
There's no need to _believe_ proper measurements. They're accurate
within systematic and random error components.
> but I believe
> what I hear and what I see for the waveforms. No jitter! Before Jack2
> from svn I experienced 1 - 3 ms jitter for hw MIDI (ALSA), depending to
> the used MIDI interface, I can't make music even with 1ms jitter, I'm
> able to hear this, see the following from jack devel list:
> [..]
> On Sat, 2011-06-04 at 03:54 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> Similar good results as before :)
Now that's good news.
Cheers!
robin
3:26 a.m.
New subject: [on-topic] Kernel 2.6.39.1
On Tue, 2011-06-07 at 21:54 +0200, Robin Gareus wrote:
Here's a pragmatic way to make a .deb of
libasound2 - alsa-lib-1.0.24.1
cd /tmp/
apt-get source libasound2
sudo apt-get build-dep libasound2
mv -vi alsa-lib-1.0.23/ alsa-lib-1.0.24.1
curl ftp://ftp.alsa-project.org/pub/lib/alsa-lib-1.0.24.1.tar.bz2 \
| tar xvj
cd alsa-lib-1.0.24.1
# edit debian/changelog -> alsa-lib (1.0.24.1-1) unstable; urgency=low
# edit debian/rules -> remove line 15-18 (biarch builds)
libtoolize --force --copy --automake
aclocal
autoreconf
debuild -b -us -uc
sudo dpkg -i ../*asound2*.deb
root@debian:/tmp# ls
alsa-lib_1.0.23-4.debian.tar.bz2 alsa-lib_1.0.24.1-1_amd64.changes
libasound2_1.0.24.1-1_amd64.deb
alsa-lib_1.0.23-4.dsc alsa-lib-1.0.24.1.tar.bz2
libasound2-dev_1.0.24.1-1_amd64.deb
alsa-lib_1.0.23.orig.tar.bz2 debian
libasound2-doc_1.0.24.1-1_all.deb
alsa-lib-1.0.24.1 lib32asound2_1.0.24.1-1_amd64.deb
libasound2-udeb_1.0.24.1-1_amd64.udeb
alsa-lib_1.0.24.1-1_amd64.build lib32asound2-dev_1.0.24.1-1_amd64.deb
orbit-spinymouse
root@debian:/tmp# dpkg -i *asound2*.deb *push_enter*
In general cool :) thank you very much, but for now unfortunately the
Debian source is incomplete, the tools are also incomplete.
I did not follow all of the thread... But is
alsa-tools-1.0.23 not
good enough? `sudo apt-get install alsa-tools` ?!
I can't remember, right now no reading, just trial and error ;).
root@debian:/tmp# apt-get install alsa-tools
Installed files shown by synaptic:
/.
/usr
/usr/bin
/usr/bin/ac3dec
/usr/bin/as10k1
/usr/bin/extract_ac3
/usr/bin/sbiload
/usr/bin/us428control
/usr/share
/usr/share/doc
/usr/share/doc/alsa-tools
/usr/share/doc/alsa-tools/ac3dec
/usr/share/doc/alsa-tools/ac3dec/README
/usr/share/doc/alsa-tools/ac3dec/TODO
/usr/share/doc/alsa-tools/as10k1
/usr/share/doc/alsa-tools/as10k1/README.gz
/usr/share/doc/alsa-tools/as10k1/output.doc
/usr/share/doc/alsa-tools/changelog.Debian.gz
/usr/share/doc/alsa-tools/changelog.gz
/usr/share/doc/alsa-tools/copyright
/usr/share/doc/alsa-tools/examples
/usr/share/doc/alsa-tools/examples/Makefile
/usr/share/doc/alsa-tools/examples/blank.asm
/usr/share/doc/alsa-tools/examples/chorus.asm
/usr/share/doc/alsa-tools/examples/delay.asm
/usr/share/doc/alsa-tools/examples/emu_constants.asm
/usr/share/doc/alsa-tools/examples/eq2.asm
/usr/share/doc/alsa-tools/examples/eq5.asm
/usr/share/doc/alsa-tools/examples/fir.asm
/usr/share/doc/alsa-tools/examples/flanger.asm
/usr/share/doc/alsa-tools/examples/sine.asm
/usr/share/doc/alsa-tools/examples/tremolo.asm
/usr/share/doc/alsa-tools/examples/vibrato.asm
/usr/share/doc/alsa-tools/examples/vol_ctrl.asm
/usr/share/doc/alsa-tools/sbiload
/usr/share/doc/alsa-tools/sbiload/README
/usr/share/man
/usr/share/man/man1
/usr/share/man/man1/ac3dec.1.gz
/usr/share/man/man1/as10k1.1.gz
/usr/share/sounds
/usr/share/sounds/opl3
/usr/share/sounds/opl3/drums.o3
/usr/share/sounds/opl3/drums.sb
/usr/share/sounds/opl3/std.o3
/usr/share/sounds/opl3/std.sb
and by http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/amd64/alsa-tools/filelist it's
the same?!
root@debian:/tmp# wget
ftp://ftp.alsa-project.org/pub/tools/alsa-tools-1.0.24.1.tar.bz2
root@debian:/tmp# tar xjf alsa-tools-1.0.24.1.tar.bz2
root@debian:/tmp# cd alsa-tools-1.0.24.1/hdspmixer
root@debian:/tmp/alsa-tools-1.0.24.1/hdspmixer# ./configure
root@debian:/tmp/alsa-tools-1.0.24.1/hdspmixer# checkinstall
========================= Installation results
===========================
Making install in src
make[1]: Entering directory `/tmp/alsa-tools-1.0.24.1/hdspmixer/src'
g++ -DPACKAGE_NAME=\"\" -DPACKAGE_TARNAME=\"\"
-DPACKAGE_VERSION=\"\"
-DPACKAGE_STRING=\"\" -DPACKAGE_BUGREPORT=\"\"
-DPACKAGE_URL=\"\"
-DPACKAGE=\"hdspmixer\" -DVERSION=\"1.6\" -DSTDC_HEADERS=1
-DHAVE_LIBASOUND=1 -I. -g -O2 -I/usr/include/freetype2
-D_THREAD_SAFE -D_REENTRANT -fno-exceptions -MT hdspmixer.o -MD -MP
-MF .deps/hdspmixer.Tpo -c -o hdspmixer.o hdspmixer.cxx
In file included from hdspmixer.cxx:31:0:
HDSPMixerCard.h:29:30: fatal error: alsa/sound/hdspm.h: No such file or
directory
compilation terminated.
make[1]: *** [hdspmixer.o] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/alsa-tools-1.0.24.1/hdspmixer/src'
make: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
#########################################################################
#########################################################################
root@debian:/tmp/alsa-tools-1.0.24.1/hdspmixer#
ls /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.39.1/include/sound/hdspm.h -l
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5464 Jun 3
02:34 /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.39.1/include/sound/hdspm.h
A soft link? :D
I'm tired, need to go to sleep.
Why did Debian remove so much stuff from ALSA?
To be continued.
Regards,
Ralf
3:58 a.m.
New subject: custom libasound on debian -- was [on-topic] Kernel 2.6.39.1
On 06/08/2011 03:26 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Tue, 2011-06-07 at 21:54 +0200, Robin Gareus
wrote:
> Here's a pragmatic way to make a .deb of libasound2 - alsa-lib-1.0.24.1
[SNIP]
In general cool :) thank you very much, but for now
unfortunately the
Debian source is incomplete
`debuild -b ..` - only builds binary packages.
Unless you want to re-distribute it there's no need to create a source
package. Why care?
the tools are also incomplete.
The tools are from "alsa-tools". They don't come with alsa-lib (aka
libasound2). It's a separate package and separate source-tree.
[SNIP]
HDSPMixerCard.h:29:30: fatal error:
alsa/sound/hdspm.h: No such file or
directory
compilation terminated.
Is there a /usr/include/alsa/sound/hdspm.h ? it should come with
libasound2-dev:
dpkg --contents /tmp/libasound2-dev_1.0.24.1-1_i386.deb | grep hdsp
[..] ./usr/include/alsa/sound/hdspm.h
[..] ./usr/include/alsa/sound/hdsp.h
Did the `sudo dpkg -i *asound2*.deb` succeed? dpkg is a bit picky about
the order or the packages; in particular if -dev package of previous
versions were installed. but dpkg will tell you.
Just copy/paste/re-order the .deb file-names one at a time (instead of
using the *asound2*.deb wildcard) until dpkg is happy
dpkg -i libasound2_1.0.24.1-1_i386.deb
dpkg -i libasound2-dev_1.0.24.1-1_i386.deb
or use the '--force-depends' option of dpkg to ignore conflicts.
root@debian:/tmp/alsa-tools-1.0.24.1/hdspmixer#
ls /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.39.1/include/sound/hdspm.h -l
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5464 Jun 3
02:34 /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.39.1/include/sound/hdspm.h
Carefully read the compiler output.
alsa/sound/hdspm.h: No such file or directory
The missing file is /usr/include/alsa/sound/hdspm.h
It comes from alsa-lib and has nothing to do with linux-kernel headers.
g'night,
robin
4:07 a.m.
New subject: custom libasound on debian -- was [on-topic] Kernel 2.6.39.1
On Wed, 2011-06-08 at 03:58 +0200, Robin Gareus wrote:
On 06/08/2011 03:26 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
So the content of hdspm.h by the linux headers is different to the
content of hdspm.h provided by alsa-lib? ;)
Seriously, if it shouldn't differ, why should I add alsa-lib, instead of
adding a soft link?
On Tue, 2011-06-07 at 21:54 +0200, Robin Gareus
wrote:
> Here's a pragmatic way to make a .deb of libasound2 - alsa-lib-1.0.24.1
[SNIP]
In general cool :) thank you very much, but for
now unfortunately the
Debian source is incomplete
`debuild -b ..` - only builds binary packages.
Unless you want to re-distribute it there's no need to create a source
package. Why care?
the tools are also incomplete.
The tools are from "alsa-tools". They don't come with alsa-lib (aka
libasound2). It's a separate package and separate source-tree.
[SNIP]
HDSPMixerCard.h:29:30: fatal error:
alsa/sound/hdspm.h: No such file or
directory
compilation terminated.
Is there a /usr/include/alsa/sound/hdspm.h ? it should come with
libasound2-dev:
dpkg --contents /tmp/libasound2-dev_1.0.24.1-1_i386.deb | grep hdsp
[..] ./usr/include/alsa/sound/hdspm.h
[..] ./usr/include/alsa/sound/hdsp.h
Did the `sudo dpkg -i *asound2*.deb` succeed? dpkg is a bit picky about
the order or the packages; in particular if -dev package of previous
versions were installed. but dpkg will tell you.
Just copy/paste/re-order the .deb file-names one at a time (instead of
using the *asound2*.deb wildcard) until dpkg is happy
dpkg -i libasound2_1.0.24.1-1_i386.deb
dpkg -i libasound2-dev_1.0.24.1-1_i386.deb
or use the '--force-depends' option of dpkg to ignore conflicts.
root@debian:/tmp/alsa-tools-1.0.24.1/hdspmixer#
ls /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.39.1/include/sound/hdspm.h -l
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5464 Jun 3
02:34 /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.39.1/include/sound/hdspm.h
Carefully read the compiler output.
alsa/sound/hdspm.h: No such file or directory
The missing file is /usr/include/alsa/sound/hdspm.h
It comes from alsa-lib and has nothing to do with linux-kernel headers.
g'night,
robin
Same timezone?
Good night!
Ralf
4:13 a.m.
New subject: custom libasound on debian -- was [on-topic] Kernel 2.6.39.1
On 06/08/2011 04:07 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
{SNIP}
So the content of hdspm.h by the linux headers is
different to the
content of hdspm.h provided by alsa-lib? ;)
apparently:
vimdiff \
/usr/src/linux-2.6.39/include/sound/hdspm.h \
/usr/include/sound/hdspm.h \
/usr/include/alsa/sound/hdsp.h
three different files here.
Seriously, if it shouldn't differ, why should I
add alsa-lib, instead of
adding a soft link?
outside: CEST; me: EDT :)
g'night,
robin
Same timezone? Good night!
Ralf
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4:18 a.m.
New subject: custom libasound on debian -- was [on-topic] Kernel 2.6.39.1
On Wed, 2011-06-08 at 03:58 +0200, Robin Gareus wrote:
On 06/08/2011 03:26 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
Oops, i'm tired out.
The packages are already deleted ...
On Tue, 2011-06-07 at 21:54 +0200, Robin Gareus
wrote:
> Here's a pragmatic way to make a .deb of libasound2 - alsa-lib-1.0.24.1
[SNIP]
In general cool :) thank you very much, but for
now unfortunately the
Debian source is incomplete
`debuild -b ..` - only builds binary packages.
Unless you want to re-distribute it there's no need to create a source
package. Why care?
the tools are also incomplete.
The tools are from "alsa-tools". They don't come with alsa-lib (aka
libasound2). It's a separate package and separate source-tree.
[SNIP]
HDSPMixerCard.h:29:30: fatal error:
alsa/sound/hdspm.h: No such file or
directory
compilation terminated.
Is there a /usr/include/alsa/sound/hdspm.h ? it should come with
libasound2-dev:
dpkg --contents /tmp/libasound2-dev_1.0.24.1-1_i386.deb | grep hdsp
[..] ./usr/include/alsa/sound/hdspm.h
[..] ./usr/include/alsa/sound/hdsp.h
Did the `sudo dpkg -i *asound2*.deb` succeed? dpkg is a bit picky about
the order or the packages; in particular if -dev package of previous
versions were installed. but dpkg will tell you.
Just copy/paste/re-order the .deb file-names one at a time (instead of
using the *asound2*.deb wildcard) until dpkg is happy
dpkg -i libasound2_1.0.24.1-1_i386.deb
dpkg -i libasound2-dev_1.0.24.1-1_i386.deb
I'll repeat it, using the wildcards, but also carefully reading dpkg's
output.
It can't harm to have packages.
or use the '--force-depends' option of dpkg to ignore conflicts.
root@debian:/tmp/alsa-tools-1.0.24.1/hdspmixer#
ls /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.39.1/include/sound/hdspm.h -l
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5464 Jun 3
02:34 /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.39.1/include/sound/hdspm.h
Carefully read the compiler output.
alsa/sound/hdspm.h: No such file or directory
The missing file is /usr/include/alsa/sound/hdspm.h
It comes from alsa-lib and has nothing to do with linux-kernel headers.
g'night,
robin
6 a.m.
New subject: custom libasound on debian -- was [on-topic] Kernel 2.6.39.1
On Wed, 2011-06-08 at 04:18 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Wed, 2011-06-08 at 03:58 +0200, Robin Gareus
wrote:
Wow, since I installed the packages Firefox opens with error messages,
GNOME terminal emulation doesn't open. I'm curios what happens, when I
try to startup after sleep ... the backup is at hand ... root terminal
emulation opens.
On 06/08/2011 03:26 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
Oops, i'm tired out.
The packages are already deleted ...
On Tue, 2011-06-07 at 21:54 +0200, Robin Gareus
wrote:
> Here's a pragmatic way to make a .deb of libasound2 - alsa-lib-1.0.24.1
[SNIP]
In general cool :) thank you very much, but for
now unfortunately the
Debian source is incomplete
`debuild -b ..` - only builds binary packages.
Unless you want to re-distribute it there's no need to create a source
package. Why care?
the tools are also incomplete.
The tools are from "alsa-tools". They don't come with alsa-lib (aka
libasound2). It's a separate package and separate source-tree.
[SNIP]
HDSPMixerCard.h:29:30: fatal error:
alsa/sound/hdspm.h: No such file or
directory
compilation terminated.
Is there a /usr/include/alsa/sound/hdspm.h ? it should come with
libasound2-dev:
dpkg --contents /tmp/libasound2-dev_1.0.24.1-1_i386.deb | grep hdsp
[..] ./usr/include/alsa/sound/hdspm.h
[..] ./usr/include/alsa/sound/hdsp.h
Did the `sudo dpkg -i *asound2*.deb` succeed? dpkg is a bit picky about
the order or the packages; in particular if -dev package of previous
versions were installed. but dpkg will tell you.
Just copy/paste/re-order the .deb file-names one at a time (instead of
using the *asound2*.deb wildcard) until dpkg is happy
dpkg -i libasound2_1.0.24.1-1_i386.deb
dpkg -i libasound2-dev_1.0.24.1-1_i386.deb
I'll repeat it, using the wildcards, but also carefully reading dpkg's
output.
It can't harm to have packages.
or use the '--force-depends' option of dpkg to ignore conflicts.
root@debian:/tmp/alsa-tools-1.0.24.1/hdspmixer#
ls /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.39.1/include/sound/hdspm.h -l
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5464 Jun 3
02:34 /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.39.1/include/sound/hdspm.h
Carefully read the compiler output.
alsa/sound/hdspm.h: No such file or directory
The missing file is /usr/include/alsa/sound/hdspm.h
It comes from alsa-lib and has nothing to do with linux-kernel headers.
g'night,
robin
6:12 a.m.
New subject: custom libasound on debian -- was [on-topic] Kernel 2.6.39.1
On Wed, 2011-06-08 at 06:00 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Wed, 2011-06-08 at 04:18 +0200, Ralf Mardorf
wrote:
A Reboot did fix an D-Bus issue?
On Wed, 2011-06-08 at 03:58 +0200, Robin Gareus
wrote:
Wow, since I installed the packages Firefox opens with error messages,
GNOME terminal emulation doesn't open. I'm curios what happens, when I
try to startup after sleep ... the backup is at hand ... root terminal
emulation opens. On 06/08/2011 03:26 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
Oops, i'm tired out.
The packages are already deleted ...
On Tue, 2011-06-07 at 21:54 +0200, Robin Gareus
wrote:
> Here's a pragmatic way to make a .deb of libasound2 - alsa-lib-1.0.24.1
[SNIP]
In general cool :) thank you very much, but for
now unfortunately the
Debian source is incomplete
`debuild -b ..` - only builds binary packages.
Unless you want to re-distribute it there's no need to create a source
package. Why care?
the tools are also incomplete.
The tools are from "alsa-tools". They don't come with alsa-lib (aka
libasound2). It's a separate package and separate source-tree.
[SNIP]
HDSPMixerCard.h:29:30: fatal error:
alsa/sound/hdspm.h: No such file or
directory
compilation terminated.
Is there a /usr/include/alsa/sound/hdspm.h ? it should come with
libasound2-dev:
dpkg --contents /tmp/libasound2-dev_1.0.24.1-1_i386.deb | grep hdsp
[..] ./usr/include/alsa/sound/hdspm.h
[..] ./usr/include/alsa/sound/hdsp.h
Did the `sudo dpkg -i *asound2*.deb` succeed? dpkg is a bit picky about
the order or the packages; in particular if -dev package of previous
versions were installed. but dpkg will tell you.
Just copy/paste/re-order the .deb file-names one at a time (instead of
using the *asound2*.deb wildcard) until dpkg is happy
dpkg -i libasound2_1.0.24.1-1_i386.deb
dpkg -i libasound2-dev_1.0.24.1-1_i386.deb
I'll repeat it, using the wildcards, but also carefully reading dpkg's
output.
It can't harm to have packages.
or use the '--force-depends' option of dpkg to ignore conflicts.
root@debian:/tmp/alsa-tools-1.0.24.1/hdspmixer#
ls /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.39.1/include/sound/hdspm.h -l
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5464 Jun 3
02:34 /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.39.1/include/sound/hdspm.h
Carefully read the compiler output.
alsa/sound/hdspm.h: No such file or directory
The missing file is /usr/include/alsa/sound/hdspm.h
It comes from alsa-lib and has nothing to do with linux-kernel headers.
g'night,
robin
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