16 Mar
2014
16 Mar
'14
5:50 p.m.
With my previous kernels (2.6.29 and 3.2.29), I tried plugging the
Motif XF to my PC via USB, but it wasn't recognized. After my latest
system upgrade to Slackware 14.1 and kernel 3.10.17, I decided to try
again, to see if something had changed. To my surprise, the MIDI ports
were recognized.
$ aplaymidi -l
Port Client name Port name
14:0 Midi Through Midi Through Port-0
28:0 Virtual Raw MIDI 3-0 VirMIDI 3-0
29:0 Virtual Raw MIDI 3-1 VirMIDI 3-1
30:0 Virtual Raw MIDI 3-2 VirMIDI 3-2
31:0 Virtual Raw MIDI 3-3 VirMIDI 3-3
32:0 YAMAHA MOTIF XF8 YAMAHA MOTIF XF8 MIDI 1
32:1 YAMAHA MOTIF XF8 YAMAHA MOTIF XF8 MIDI 2
32:2 YAMAHA MOTIF XF8 YAMAHA MOTIF XF8 MIDI 3
32:3 YAMAHA MOTIF XF8 YAMAHA MOTIF XF8 MIDI 4
MIDI recording and playback work fine, but now I want to know if it
can be made to work as a soundcard. I know that the Motif XF can work
as a USB audio interface on Windows and Mac. Here, it even happens to
be listed as one in "/proc/asound/cards"
$ cat /proc/asound/cards
0 [PCH ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH
HDA Intel PCH at 0xf7910000 irq 42
1 [NVidia ]: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia
HDA NVidia at 0xf7080000 irq 17
2 [Loopback ]: Loopback - Loopback
Loopback 1
3 [VirMIDI ]: VirMIDI - VirMIDI
Virtual MIDI Card 1
4 [XF8 ]: USB-Audio - YAMAHA MOTIF XF8
Yamaha YAMAHA MOTIF XF8 at usb-0000:00:1a.0-1.2,
full speed
but, problem is, it doesn't show on "aplay -l" nor "arecord -l"
(nor
any other audio app for that matter).
$ aplay -l
**** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****
card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 0: ALC662 rev3 Analog [ALC662 rev3 Analog]
Subdevices: 1/1
Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 3: HDMI 0 [HDMI 0]
Subdevices: 1/1
Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
card 1: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 3: HDMI 0 [HDMI 0]
Subdevices: 1/1
Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
card 1: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 7: HDMI 1 [HDMI 1]
Subdevices: 1/1
Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
card 2: Loopback [Loopback], device 0: Loopback PCM [Loopback PCM]
Subdevices: 8/8
Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
Subdevice #1: subdevice #1
Subdevice #2: subdevice #2
Subdevice #3: subdevice #3
Subdevice #4: subdevice #4
Subdevice #5: subdevice #5
Subdevice #6: subdevice #6
Subdevice #7: subdevice #7
card 2: Loopback [Loopback], device 1: Loopback PCM [Loopback PCM]
Subdevices: 8/8
Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
Subdevice #1: subdevice #1
Subdevice #2: subdevice #2
Subdevice #3: subdevice #3
Subdevice #4: subdevice #4
Subdevice #5: subdevice #5
Subdevice #6: subdevice #6
Subdevice #7: subdevice #7
Trying to force using it as soundcard (based on info from
"/proc/asound/cards") doesn't work either. For example:
$ aplay -D plughw:XF8 file.wav
aplay: main:722: audio open error: No such file or directory
Same result with "plughw:4" instead of "plughw:XF8".
I read that problems like this could happen if the USB soundcard was
plugged into a USB 3.0 port. Indeed, I have USB 3 ports here, but I
tried plugging it into USB 2 ports and the result was the same.
More command outputs:
$ lsusb
Bus 001 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub
Bus 002 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub
Bus 003 Device 010: ID 046d:c315 Logitech, Inc. Classic Keyboard 200
Bus 003 Device 029: ID 046d:c077 Logitech, Inc.
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0003 Linux Foundation 3.0 root hub
Bus 001 Device 010: ID 0499:105c Yamaha Corp.
# lsusb -v
[...]
Bus 001 Device 010: ID 0499:105c Yamaha Corp.
Device Descriptor:
bLength 18
bDescriptorType 1
bcdUSB 1.10
bDeviceClass 0 (Defined at Interface level)
bDeviceSubClass 0
bDeviceProtocol 0
bMaxPacketSize0 8
idVendor 0x0499 Yamaha Corp.
idProduct 0x105c
bcdDevice 1.00
iManufacturer 1 YAMAHA Corporation
iProduct 2 YAMAHA MOTIF XF8
iSerial 0
bNumConfigurations 1
Configuration Descriptor:
bLength 9
bDescriptorType 2
wTotalLength 99
bNumInterfaces 1
bConfigurationValue 1
iConfiguration 0
bmAttributes 0xc0
Self Powered
MaxPower 0mA
Interface Descriptor:
bLength 9
bDescriptorType 4
bInterfaceNumber 0
bAlternateSetting 0
bNumEndpoints 2
bInterfaceClass 255 Vendor Specific Class
bInterfaceSubClass 0
bInterfaceProtocol 255
iInterface 0
** UNRECOGNIZED: 07 24 01 00 01 51 00
** UNRECOGNIZED: 06 24 02 02 01 00
** UNRECOGNIZED: 06 24 02 02 02 00
** UNRECOGNIZED: 06 24 02 02 03 00
** UNRECOGNIZED: 06 24 02 02 04 00
** UNRECOGNIZED: 09 24 03 02 01 01 01 01 00
** UNRECOGNIZED: 09 24 03 02 02 01 01 01 00
** UNRECOGNIZED: 09 24 03 02 03 01 01 01 00
** UNRECOGNIZED: 09 24 03 02 04 01 01 01 00
Endpoint Descriptor:
bLength 7
bDescriptorType 5
bEndpointAddress 0x01 EP 1 OUT
bmAttributes 2
Transfer Type Bulk
Synch Type None
Usage Type Data
wMaxPacketSize 0x0040 1x 64 bytes
bInterval 1
Endpoint Descriptor:
bLength 7
bDescriptorType 5
bEndpointAddress 0x82 EP 2 IN
bmAttributes 2
Transfer Type Bulk
Synch Type None
Usage Type Data
wMaxPacketSize 0x0040 1x 64 bytes
bInterval 1
Device Status: 0x0001
Self Powered
Any ideas? Anything else I can try?
Googling about using the Motif XF on Linux, I found this:
http://www.motifator.com/index.php/forum/viewthread/451381/
I also found this thread, but it's about MOX and not Motif XF:
http://www.motifator.com/index.php/forum/viewthread/458166/
which lead me to this patch:
http://www.mail-archive.com/alsa-user@lists.sourceforge.net/msg28116.html
The discussions are a bit old, but it seems that the patch was
included upstream and MOX is working. Maybe the problem with the XF is
similar?
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16 Mar
16 Mar
9:59 p.m.
Aiyumi Moriya wrote:
MIDI recording and playback work fine, but now I want
to know if it
can be made to work as a soundcard. I know that the Motif XF can work
as a USB audio interface on Windows and Mac.
The lsusb output shows that there is no interface for this.
Does this need some kind of configuration on the device?
Regards,
Clemens
10:11 p.m.
2014-03-16 17:58 GMT-03:00, Clemens Ladisch <clemens(a)ladisch.de>de>:
Aiyumi Moriya wrote:
Yes, it does.
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MIDI recording and playback work fine, but now I
want to know if it
can be made to work as a soundcard. I know that the Motif XF can work
as a USB audio interface on Windows and Mac.
The lsusb output shows that there is no interface for this.
Does this need some kind of configuration on the device?
17 Mar
17 Mar
9:37 a.m.
Aiyumi Moriya wrote:
2014-03-16 17:58 GMT-03:00, Clemens Ladisch
<clemens(a)ladisch.de>de>:
And what is the lsusb output after you have enabled this?
Regards,
Clemens
Aiyumi Moriya wrote:
Yes, it does. MIDI recording and playback work fine, but now I
want to know if it
can be made to work as a soundcard. I know that the Motif XF can work
as a USB audio interface on Windows and Mac.
The lsusb output shows that there is no interface for this.
Does this need some kind of configuration on the device?
18 Mar
18 Mar
2:15 a.m.
2014-03-17 5:37 GMT-03:00, Clemens Ladisch <clemens(a)ladisch.de>de>:
Aiyumi Moriya wrote:
It was already enabled. If I disable it, the MIDI ports still appear
and the device still shows on "/proc/asound/cards", but MIDI playback
and recording don't work. It's an option to tell the device to
communicate via MIDI cables or USB (or firewire, which I don't have).
If set to USB, it should accept MIDI via USB, and on Win/Mac it can
also be used as audio interface. I checked Win/Mac tutorials about
using it as a soundcard, and setting this option was the only relevant
step mentioned, apart from installing the proprietary driver of
course. So... Dead end?
I thought it had a chance of working since I saw on that thread that
MOX (similar product line) works. I got my hopes up when the MIDI
communication worked here (it didn't work before. On my previous
system, the ports didn't even show), then I saw my device on
"/proc/asound/cards"... But now that I think about it, Virmidi is
there too, so being listed there probably doesn't mean anything :(.
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2014-03-16 17:58 GMT-03:00, Clemens Ladisch
<clemens(a)ladisch.de>de>:
And what is the lsusb output after you have enabled this? Aiyumi Moriya wrote:
Yes, it does. MIDI recording and playback work fine, but now I
want to know if it
can be made to work as a soundcard. I know that the Motif XF can work
as a USB audio interface on Windows and Mac.
The lsusb output shows that there is no interface for this.
Does this need some kind of configuration on the device?
12:21 p.m.
Aiyumi Moriya wrote:
MIDI recording and playback work fine, but now I want
to know if it
can be made to work as a soundcard. I know that the Motif XF can work
as a USB audio interface on Windows and Mac.
The manual says:
| The USB connection between the instrument and the computer
| can only be used for transfer of MIDI data. No audio data
| can be transferred via USB.
Regards,
Clemens
1:10 p.m.
2014-03-18 8:21 GMT-03:00, Clemens Ladisch <clemens(a)ladisch.de>de>:
The manual says:
| The USB connection between the instrument and the computer
| can only be used for transfer of MIDI data. No audio data
| can be transferred via USB.
Oops. I feel really stupid now. I read the manual but totally missed this part.
I checked it again and it also says:
"When the optional FW16E (FireWire expansion board) is installed, the
MOTIF XF can be connected to the computer via an IEEE1394 cable. Note
that the audio data as well as MIDI data can be transmitted through an
IEEE1394 cable by installing the Yamaha Steinberg FW Driver to the
computer."
So the audio interface function is Firewire only... I don't know what
made me believe that USB also worked.
But it also means that everything is working perfectly fine!
Do you think Firewire has any chance of working? I had no interest to
pursue it until now, and have no idea of the state of Firewire support
on Linux.
Thank you very much for the help, and sorry for the bother and this
dumb mistake.
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1:26 p.m.
On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 12:10 PM, Aiyumi Moriya <aiyumi.br(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Do you think Firewire has any chance of working? I had
no interest to
pursue it until now, and have no idea of the state of Firewire support
on Linux.
Linux firewire drivers project: http://www.ffado.org/
The Motif XF isn't listed:
http://www.ffado.org/?q=devicesupport%2Flist&filter0=yamaha&filter1…
A quick google returns this thread, probably of interest:
http://www.motifator.com/index.php/forum/viewthread/442794/#456446
Otherwise, just try it: and see if it works. That's the easy way to find
out.
This seems a related project: sponsored by Yamaha initially it seems..
http://mlanalsa.sourceforge.net/
I have no experience with this particular type of streaming driver /
device, so I can't help much more :) -Harry
4:41 p.m.
Harry van Haaren wrote:
On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 12:10 PM, Aiyumi Moriya
wrote:
Do you think Firewire has any chance of working? I had no interest to
pursue it until now, and have no idea of the state of Firewire support
on Linux.
The Motif XF isn't listed:
http://www.ffado.org/?q=devicesupport%2Flist&filter0=yamaha&filter1…
It is unsupported, like all the other mLAN devices.
Regards,
Clemens
11:11 p.m.
2014-03-18 9:10 GMT-03:00, Aiyumi Moriya <aiyumi.br(a)gmail.com>om>:
So the audio interface function is Firewire only... I
don't know what
made me believe that USB also worked.
I think I found my point of confusion. It was MOX. I was too excited
when I stumbled upon the MOX thread.
I downloaded the MOX manual just to check, and it turns out that,
indeed, it can work as audio interface via USB, unlike the Motif XF.
Quote:
"The USB [TO HOST] terminal is used to connect this instrument to the
computer via the USB cable and allows you to transfer MIDI data and
audio data between the devices."
Since the MOX is a simpler keyboard from the same product line, I
thought the MOX and Motif were similar enough, and that tutorials made
for
one could be applied to the other. That's the cause for this whole
problem (and that's why I was sure that the USB option was mentioned
on the tutorials I read).
2014-03-18 12:41 GMT-03:00, Clemens Ladisch <clemens(a)ladisch.de>de>:
Harry van Haaren wrote:
Ok. Case solved, then.
Once again, thank you for the help.
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On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 12:10 PM, Aiyumi Moriya
wrote:
Do you think Firewire has any chance of working? I had no interest to
pursue it until now, and have no idea of the state of Firewire
support
on Linux.
The Motif XF isn't listed:
http://www.ffado.org/?q=devicesupport%2Flist&filter0=yamaha&filter1…
It is unsupported, like all the other mLAN devices.
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