31 Dec
2013
31 Dec
'13
12:47 p.m.
Hi,
It's been a while since I researched notation software. What are the
major players in the linux world? What is being actively maintained?
What is new and cutting edge?
Note: I use lilypond for printed scores but I'm looking for some
distinct functionality for in-score composing and orchestrating:
- individual jack midi routing at least at the staff level, better if
staff supported multiple voices and each could be routed separately.
- step input with both external keyboard as well as mouse
- customization for in-score articulations, e.g., staccato -> channel
change or slur/legato -> insert note ( for key switch software instruments)
- lilypond and/or midi export functionality.
I'd appreciate any advice. thanks,
David
31 Dec
31 Dec
1:28 p.m.
On 12/31/2013 06:47 AM, David Santamauro wrote:
Hi,
It's been a while since I researched notation software. What are the
major players in the linux world? What is being actively maintained?
What is new and cutting edge?
Hi David,
I'm close to completing an article on LilyPond and Frescobaldi. I
checked out other software too, including MuseScore, Denemo, Lied, and
Laborejo. All respectable, each in its own way, and in varying stages of
development.
LilyPond development proceeds nicely, especially after the funding
drive. Stable version 2.18.0 was released recently.
I haven't kept up with NoteEdit and NtEd. Both appear to be in a sort of
development limbo. Apologies to the Rosegarden team, but I haven't kept
up with that program's notation capabilities either.
OpenMusic has some neat notation features, especially wrt microtones.
Also has native support for MusicXML and an extension library for
exporting to LilyPond.
The FOMUS transcription system still works nicely with GRACE/CM and can
be used with SuperCollider3 (IIRC).
HTH,
dp
1 Jan
1 Jan
1:23 p.m.
On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 5:58 PM, Dave Phillips <dlphillips(a)woh.rr.com> wrote:
On 12/31/2013 06:47 AM, David Santamauro wrote:
I started with nted and switched to musescore when nted was crashing too much.
There's one thing neither has the ability to make which I wish were
available -- bar-less scores.
Hi,
It's been a while since I researched notation software. What are the major
players in the linux world? What is being actively maintained? What is new
and cutting edge?
Hi David,
I'm close to completing an article on LilyPond and Frescobaldi. I checked
out other software too, including MuseScore, Denemo, Lied, and Laborejo. All
respectable, each in its own way, and in varying stages of development.
LilyPond development proceeds nicely, especially after the funding drive.
Stable version 2.18.0 was released recently.
I haven't kept up with NoteEdit and NtEd. Both appear to be in a sort of
development limbo. Apologies to the Rosegarden team, but I haven't kept up
with that program's notation capabilities either.
OpenMusic has some neat notation features, especially wrt microtones. Also
has native support for MusicXML and an extension library for exporting to
LilyPond.
The FOMUS transcription system still works nicely with GRACE/CM and can be
used with SuperCollider3 (IIRC).
HTH,
dp 
1:44 p.m.
2014/1/1 Rustom Mody <rustompmody(a)gmail.com>
I started with nted and switched to musescore when
nted was crashing too
much.
There's one thing neither has the ability to make which I wish were
available -- bar-less scores.
In LilyPond it's pretty easy:
\version "2.18.0"
\layout {
\context {
\Staff
\remove "Bar_engraver"
}
\context {
\Score
\remove "Bar_number_engraver"
}
}
\relative c'' {
\repeat unfold 3 { c4 c c c } \break
\repeat unfold 3 { c4 c c c }
}
BTW, I heard that MuseScore is going to drop the lilypond export and focus
the development efforts on the MusicXML exporter...
2:14 p.m.
On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 6:14 PM, Federico Bruni <fedelogy(a)gmail.com> wrote:
2014/1/1 Rustom Mody <rustompmody(a)gmail.com>
Thanks
I'll give lilypond a shot
But it still has a spurious C (4/4 time) indicator.
Rusi
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I started with nted and switched to musescore when nted was crashing too
much.
There's one thing neither has the ability to make which I wish were
available -- bar-less scores.
In LilyPond it's pretty easy:
\version "2.18.0"
\layout {
\context {
\Staff
\remove "Bar_engraver"
}
\context {
\Score
\remove "Bar_number_engraver"
}
}
\relative c'' {
\repeat unfold 3 { c4 c c c } \break
\repeat unfold 3 { c4 c c c }
}
BTW, I heard that MuseScore is going to drop the lilypond export and focus
the development efforts on the MusicXML exporter...
3:48 p.m.
2014/1/1 Federico Bruni <fedelogy(a)gmail.com>
2014/1/1 Rustom Mody <rustompmody(a)gmail.com>
sorry, I didn't read your question.. of course you want to _hide_ the time
signature, so:
\omit Staff.TimeSignature
this command works from version 2.18, the latest stable
Thanks
I'll give lilypond a shot
But it still has a spurious C (4/4 time) indicator.
it's the default, but you can change it:
\time 4/4
\numericTimeSignature
5:31 p.m.
On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Federico Bruni <fedelogy(a)gmail.com> wrote:
2014/1/1 Federico Bruni <fedelogy(a)gmail.com>
Well my debian testing only seems to have 2.16
And for some reason even thats marked as obsolete and to be removed!!
Anyway I guess its temporary
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2014/1/1 Rustom Mody <rustompmody(a)gmail.com>
sorry, I didn't read your question.. of course you want to _hide_ the time
signature, so:
\omit Staff.TimeSignature
this command works from version 2.18, the latest stable
Thanks
I'll give lilypond a shot
But it still has a spurious C (4/4 time) indicator.
it's the default, but you can change it:
\time 4/4
\numericTimeSignature
5:45 p.m.
2014/1/1 Rustom Mody <rustompmody(a)gmail.com>
in 2.16 you should write:
\override Staff.TimeSignature.stencil = ##f
sorry, I
didn't read your question.. of course you want to _hide_ the
time
signature, so:
\omit Staff.TimeSignature
this command works from version 2.18, the latest stable
Well my debian testing only seems to have 2.16
And for some reason even thats marked as obsolete and
to be removed!!
Anyway I guess its temporary
Weird, no package in testing:
http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=lilypond
I suggest downloading the binary from lilypond.org. You can also donwload
and install the documentation with the --doc option (due to a bug, you must
cd into the directory and then launch the command):
sh lilypond-version.sh --doc
31 Dec
31 Dec
2:35 p.m.
On Tuesday, 31 December, 2013 06:47:10 David Santamauro wrote:
Hi,
It's been a while since I researched notation software. What are the
major players in the linux world? What is being actively maintained?
What is new and cutting edge?
Note: I use lilypond for printed scores but I'm looking for some
distinct functionality for in-score composing and orchestrating:
- individual jack midi routing at least at the staff level, better if
staff supported multiple voices and each could be routed separately.
- step input with both external keyboard as well as mouse
- customization for in-score articulations, e.g., staccato -> channel
change or slur/legato -> insert note ( for key switch software instruments)
- lilypond and/or midi export functionality.
I'd appreciate any advice. thanks,
Nted (succeeds Noteedit) is quite useful and useable. Can do most anything.
Can preview engraving; a few quirks.
Mscore (musescore) is gorgeous but its UI can be hard to navigate. WYSIWYG.
Gnu Denemo is one designed to feed Lilypond/Frescobaldi but I have not found
it usable.
3:05 p.m.
David Santamauro <david.santamauro(a)gmail.com> schrieb:
Hi,
It's been a while since I researched notation software. What are the
major players in the linux world? What is being actively maintained?
What is new and cutting edge?
Note: I use lilypond for printed scores but I'm looking for some
distinct functionality for in-score composing and orchestrating:
- individual jack midi routing at least at the staff level, better if
staff supported multiple voices and each could be routed separately.
- step input with both external keyboard as well as mouse
- customization for in-score articulations, e.g., staccato -> channel
change or slur/legato -> insert note ( for key switch software
instruments)
- lilypond and/or midi export functionality.
I'd appreciate any advice. thanks,
David
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Hi,
MusE sequencer (not to confused with MusEScore) offers a score editor. MusE is a MIDI and
(work in progress) audio sequencer with lots of editing features. The score editor is
quite limited in its rendering capabiloties (it *cannot* be used for creating printable
scores!).
But if you're seeking a tool which allows you to orchestrate -- using Midi or
softsynthes -- stuff, while not forcing you to use the pianoroll, MusE might be the right
tool for you.
(you can still export stuff as Midi and import somewhere else.)
Hope this helps,
Florian
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have occurred.
8:13 p.m.
On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 6:47 AM, David Santamauro
<david.santamauro(a)gmail.com> wrote:
It's been a while since I researched notation
software. What are the major
players in the linux world? What is being actively maintained? What is new
and cutting edge?
MuseScore & Rosegarden are probably the most mature score editors, at
least the ones I've tried. MuseScore is more in spirit to Sibelius and
Finale, whereas Rosegarden can be used as a DAW with JACK, and
supports LADSPA & DSSI plugins, although does not yet support LV2.
Nothing beats Lilypond, though. I use it for all of my composing, not
just for printing.
8:31 p.m.
On Tuesday, 31 December, 2013 14:12:56 Brett McCoy wrote:
On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 6:47 AM, David Santamauro
<david.santamauro(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Lilypond has a markup language (NOT musixML). Seem to be too awkward for
composing or notation where I want to place notes, not type commands.
Problem is that many programs claiming to export to Lilypond produce junk. So
need to fire up Frescobaldi, Lilypond editor, to try to fix it so must know the
commands anyway. Sure don't feel like composing.
It's been a while since I researched notation
software. What are the major
players in the linux world? What is being actively maintained? What is new
and cutting edge?
MuseScore & Rosegarden are probably the most mature score editors, at
least the ones I've tried. MuseScore is more in spirit to Sibelius and
Finale, whereas Rosegarden can be used as a DAW with JACK, and
supports LADSPA & DSSI plugins, although does not yet support LV2.
Nothing beats Lilypond, though. I use it for all of my composing, not
just for printing.
8:39 p.m.
On 12/31/2013 02:31 PM, David Baron wrote:
On Tuesday, 31 December, 2013 14:12:56 Brett McCoy
wrote:
more or less my opinion as well. For small transcription jobs I'll use
lilypond start to finish, but for large orchestrations lilypond is
simply too cumbersome.
On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 6:47 AM, David
Santamauro
<david.santamauro(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Lilypond has a markup language (NOT musixML). Seem to be too awkward for
composing or notation where I want to place notes, not type commands. It's been a while since I researched notation
software. What are the major
players in the linux world? What is being actively maintained? What is new
and cutting edge?
MuseScore & Rosegarden are probably the most mature score editors, at
least the ones I've tried. MuseScore is more in spirit to Sibelius and
Finale, whereas Rosegarden can be used as a DAW with JACK, and
supports LADSPA & DSSI plugins, although does not yet support LV2.
Nothing beats Lilypond, though. I use it for all of my composing, not
just for printing. Problem is that many programs claiming to export to
Lilypond produce junk. So
need to fire up Frescobaldi, Lilypond editor, to try to fix it so must know the
commands anyway. Sure don't feel like composing.
I never dared ... I'm fluent enough in lilypond that I can copy a score
quick enough to be able to "compose" one way and "typeset" another.
... sure would like to be able to do both in one program.
David
8:33 p.m.
On 12/31/2013 02:12 PM, Brett McCoy wrote:
On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 6:47 AM, David Santamauro
<david.santamauro(a)gmail.com> wrote:
... and I love lilypond as well. My side job requires midi mock-ups as
well as scores and for that I need a flexible workflow utilizing quality
software instruments. It is simply less time consuming (once the proper
templates are created) writing into a score editor, composing or
arranging and hitting play, moving things around (instrumentation-wise),
hitting play again ... something just not possible with lilypond--at
least not with the tools I'm aware of.
I spent a few hours with Rosegarden this morning and I'll probably keep
at it but it seems MuseScore comes closest to my needs.
thanks to all for the tips ...
David
It's been a while since I researched notation
software. What are the major
players in the linux world? What is being actively maintained? What is new
and cutting edge?
MuseScore & Rosegarden are probably the most mature score editors, at
least the ones I've tried. MuseScore is more in spirit to Sibelius and
Finale, whereas Rosegarden can be used as a DAW with JACK, and
supports LADSPA & DSSI plugins, although does not yet support LV2.
Nothing beats Lilypond, though. I use it for all of my composing, not
just for printing.
8:38 p.m.
On 12/31/2013 09:12 AM, Brett McCoy wrote:
On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 6:47 AM, David Santamauro
<david.santamauro(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Denemo?
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It's been a while since I researched notation
software. What are the major
players in the linux world? What is being actively maintained? What is new
and cutting edge?
MuseScore & Rosegarden are probably the most mature score editors, at
least the ones I've tried. MuseScore is more in spirit to Sibelius and
Finale, whereas Rosegarden can be used as a DAW with JACK, and
supports LADSPA & DSSI plugins, although does not yet support LV2.
Nothing beats Lilypond, though. I use it for all of my composing, not
just for printing.
8:45 p.m.
On 12/31/2013 02:38 PM, david wrote:
On 12/31/2013 09:12 AM, Brett McCoy wrote:
I couldn't figure out a way to get more than one jack-midi output port.
Seems it is one port for all the staves and only program change/channel
are assignable. so 16 instruments or 1 hefty instrument with 16
articulations ... either way, pretty limiting.
David
On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 6:47 AM, David
Santamauro
<david.santamauro(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Denemo?
It's been a while since I researched notation
software. What are the
major
players in the linux world? What is being actively maintained? What
is new
and cutting edge?
MuseScore & Rosegarden are probably the most mature score editors, at
least the ones I've tried. MuseScore is more in spirit to Sibelius and
Finale, whereas Rosegarden can be used as a DAW with JACK, and
supports LADSPA & DSSI plugins, although does not yet support LV2.
Nothing beats Lilypond, though. I use it for all of my composing, not
just for printing.
1 Jan
1 Jan
7:52 a.m.
---- David Santamauro <david.santamauro(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 12/31/2013 02:38 PM, david wrote:
I've only briefly used it, for a straight score, and didn't even care if it
supported any kind of MIDI output. For something complicated, I'd use Rosegarden. It
outputs Lilypond (RG did away with it's own native printing facility in favor of
Lilypond output), you could always neaten that up in your preferred Lilypond editor.
David W. Jones
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
http://dancingtreefrog.com
On 12/31/2013 09:12 AM, Brett McCoy wrote:
I couldn't figure out a way to get more than one jack-midi output port.
Seems it is one port for all the staves and only program change/channel
are assignable. so 16 instruments or 1 hefty instrument with 16
articulations ... either way, pretty limiting.
David On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 6:47 AM, David
Santamauro
<david.santamauro(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Denemo?
It's been a while since I researched notation
software. What are the
major
players in the linux world? What is being actively maintained? What
is new
and cutting edge?
MuseScore & Rosegarden are probably the most mature score editors, at
least the ones I've tried. MuseScore is more in spirit to Sibelius and
Finale, whereas Rosegarden can be used as a DAW with JACK, and
supports LADSPA & DSSI plugins, although does not yet support LV2.
Nothing beats Lilypond, though. I use it for all of my composing, not
just for printing. 
2:10 p.m.
On Tue, 31 Dec 2013 06:47:10 -0500
David Santamauro <david.santamauro(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
It's been a while since I researched notation software. What are the
major players in the linux world? What is being actively maintained?
What is new and cutting edge?
Note: I use lilypond for printed scores but I'm looking for some
distinct functionality for in-score composing and orchestrating:
- individual jack midi routing at least at the staff level, better
if staff supported multiple voices and each could be routed
separately.
- step input with both external keyboard as well as mouse
- customization for in-score articulations, e.g., staccato ->
channel change or slur/legato -> insert note ( for key switch
software instruments)
- lilypond and/or midi export functionality.
I'd appreciate any advice. thanks,
David
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You could also give laborejo a shot. It's rather new and written by
Nils, who used to work on denemo. I think it should be able to do
pretty much everything you want.
http://www.laborejo.org/
Regards,
Philipp
3:25 p.m.
On 01/01/2014 08:10 AM, Philipp Überbacher wrote:
On Tue, 31 Dec 2013 06:47:10 -0500
David Santamauro <david.santamauro(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I experimented with it when it was very young. I guess I need to revisit
it. thanks
Hi,
It's been a while since I researched notation software. What are the
major players in the linux world? What is being actively maintained?
What is new and cutting edge?
Note: I use lilypond for printed scores but I'm looking for some
distinct functionality for in-score composing and orchestrating:
- individual jack midi routing at least at the staff level, better
if staff supported multiple voices and each could be routed
separately.
- step input with both external keyboard as well as mouse
- customization for in-score articulations, e.g., staccato ->
channel change or slur/legato -> insert note ( for key switch
software instruments)
- lilypond and/or midi export functionality.
I'd appreciate any advice. thanks,
David
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You could also give laborejo a shot. It's rather new and written by
Nils, who used to work on denemo. I think it should be able to do
pretty much everything you want.
http://www.laborejo.org/
4:20 p.m.
On 01/01/2014 08:10 AM, Philipp Überbacher wrote:
You could also give laborejo a shot. It's rather new and written by
Nils, who used to work on denemo. I think it should be able to do
pretty much everything you want.
http://www.laborejo.org/
Have you used it? Appears it needs some magical python modules
warnings.warn("libpysmf not found. Midi export broken.
warn("PyLiblo for Python3 not found. Session support not possible.
warnings.warn("calfbox not found. [...] Playback broken.
... but reading the feature list, yes, it seems it has all the features
I'm looking for.
2 Jan
2 Jan
3:35 a.m.
On Wed, 01 Jan 2014 10:20:19 -0500
David Santamauro <david.santamauro(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 01/01/2014 08:10 AM, Philipp Überbacher wrote:
I have never used it, but I just installed it on my system. Those are
warnings, those packages are not strictly necessary, but you'll likely
want them. Installing those things is enough, I just tried it with
python 3 versions of everything. It's easy enough on Arch, no idea
about Debian.
Regards,
Philipp
You could also give laborejo a shot. It's rather new and written by
Nils, who used to work on denemo. I think it should be able to do
pretty much everything you want.
http://www.laborejo.org/
Have you used it? Appears it needs some magical python modules
warnings.warn("libpysmf not found. Midi export broken.
warn("PyLiblo for Python3 not found. Session support not possible.
warnings.warn("calfbox not found. [...] Playback broken.
... but reading the feature list, yes, it seems it has all the
features I'm looking for.
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