20 Apr
2006
20 Apr
'06
11:57 a.m.
I can understand not wanting to maintain it any more,
but where'd the download go??
http://gazuga.net/files --> 404
--
Paul Winkler
http://www.slinkp.com
20 Apr
20 Apr
1:04 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: [ANN] No More Specimen
On Thursday 20 April 2006 15:57, Paul Winkler wrote:
I can understand not wanting to maintain it any more,
but where'd the download go??
http://gazuga.net/files --> 404
Hi Paul. I'd downloaded the tar.gz while it was still there. If you want it
I'll send it.
Nigel.
1:38 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: [ANN] No More Specimen
On Thu, Apr 20, 2006 at 05:04:45PM +0200, Nigel Henry wrote:
On Thursday 20 April 2006 15:57, Paul Winkler wrote:
Thanks, but it's not just me...
the recently-mentioned proaudio overlay for gentoo included
a specimen ebuild, which no longer works due to the 404 :-(
Anybody care to host the tarball?
--
Paul Winkler
http://www.slinkp.com
I can understand not wanting to maintain it any
more,
but where'd the download go??
http://gazuga.net/files --> 404
Hi Paul. I'd downloaded the tar.gz while it was still there. If you want it
I'll send it.
Nigel. 
2:19 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: [ANN] No More Specimen
Paul Winkler wrote:
On Thu, Apr 20, 2006 at 05:04:45PM +0200, Nigel Henry
wrote:
I've uploaded a copy of specimen-0.4.5.tar.gz (the most recent on my
disk) to:
http://jeremah.co.uk/downloads/linux/specimen/specimen-0.4.5.tar.gz
I'm happy to host for the foreseeable future. If anyone's got a more
recent copy let me know and I'll get that up as well.
--
Jonny
Music - http://jeremah.co.uk
News - http://voxpolis.com
On Thursday 20 April 2006 15:57, Paul Winkler
wrote:
Thanks, but it's not just me...
the recently-mentioned proaudio overlay for gentoo included
a specimen ebuild, which no longer works due to the 404 :-(
Anybody care to host the tarball? I can understand not wanting to maintain it any
more,
but where'd the download go??
http://gazuga.net/files --> 404
Hi Paul. I'd downloaded the tar.gz while
it was still there. If you want it
I'll send it.
Nigel.
2:32 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: [ANN] No More Specimen
On Thu, Apr 20, 2006 at 05:19:30PM +0100, Jonny Stutters wrote:
I've uploaded a copy of specimen-0.4.5.tar.gz (the
most recent on my
disk) to:
http://jeremah.co.uk/downloads/linux/specimen/specimen-0.4.5.tar.gz
I'm happy to host for the foreseeable future. If anyone's got a more
recent copy let me know and I'll get that up as well.
Great!
I found a copy of 0.5.1 on my drive. Email me privately if you want it.
--
Paul Winkler
http://www.slinkp.com
3:26 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: [ANN] No More Specimen
Paul Winkler wrote:
On Thu, Apr 20, 2006 at 05:19:30PM +0100, Jonny
Stutters wrote:
umm ... the download just worked for me ...
That said, I agreed a while back to maintain the project after Pete
announced his own death and the accompanying death of specimen. While
Pete resurfaced as a zombie and promptly went over to the dark side, I
have not yet found time to resurrect specimen (mainly due to my job and
preparations for LAC06).
I fully intend to have a new home for specimen shortly after the
conference. In the meantime, there is a copy of 0.5.1 available here:
http://zhevny.com/specimen/files/
tarball, rpm and src rpm are there.
I will maintain this location as the home of specimen files, so
feel free to point the ebuilds there.
My sincere apologies for not taking steps sooner.
-Eric Rz.
I've uploaded a copy of specimen-0.4.5.tar.gz
(the most recent on my
disk) to:
http://jeremah.co.uk/downloads/linux/specimen/specimen-0.4.5.tar.gz
I'm happy to host for the foreseeable future. If anyone's got a more
recent copy let me know and I'll get that up as well.
Great!
I found a copy of 0.5.1 on my drive. Email me privately if you want it. 
5:50 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: [ANN] No More Specimen
On Thu, 2006-04-20 at 13:25 -0400, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote:
Paul Winkler wrote:
Wouldn't it make sense to put this up at SourceForge or Savannah and
have any developers who wish to help maintain or improve it sign on to
the project? SourceForge is pretty reliable, and I don't see it going
down any time soon, and everything is in place already.. Just a thought.
Dana
On Thu, Apr 20, 2006 at 05:19:30PM +0100, Jonny
Stutters wrote:
umm ... the download just worked for me ...
That said, I agreed a while back to maintain the project after Pete
announced his own death and the accompanying death of specimen. While
Pete resurfaced as a zombie and promptly went over to the dark side, I
have not yet found time to resurrect specimen (mainly due to my job and
preparations for LAC06).
I fully intend to have a new home for specimen shortly after the
conference. In the meantime, there is a copy of 0.5.1 available here:
http://zhevny.com/specimen/files/
tarball, rpm and src rpm are there.
I will maintain this location as the home of specimen files, so
feel free to point the ebuilds there.
My sincere apologies for not taking steps sooner.
-Eric Rz. I've uploaded a copy of specimen-0.4.5.tar.gz
(the most recent on my
disk) to:
http://jeremah.co.uk/downloads/linux/specimen/specimen-0.4.5.tar.gz
I'm happy to host for the foreseeable future. If anyone's got a more
recent copy let me know and I'll get that up as well.
Great!
I found a copy of 0.5.1 on my drive. Email me privately if you want it. 
6:19 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: [ANN] No More Specimen
On Thursday 20 April 2006 16:01, Lee Revell wrote:
On Thu, 2006-04-20 at 15:51 -0400, Dana Olson wrote:
I wonder what Dana has been smoking? If I still smoked, I'd like to
sample that. I know of one project that left in the last month, mainly
because cvs only worked a few hours a week. Life's too short for that
BS.
--
Cheers, Gene
People having trouble with vz bouncing email to me should add the word
'online' between the 'verizon', and the dot which bypasses vz's
stupid bounce rules. I do use spamassassin too. :-)
Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above
message by Gene Heskett are:
Copyright 2006 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved.
SourceForge is pretty reliable, and I don't
see it going
down any time soon
LOL
8:46 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: [ANN] No More Specimen
On Thu, 2006-04-20 at 16:19 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
On Thursday 20 April 2006 16:01, Lee Revell wrote:
Hardeeharhar.
The point is, it has been reliable for thousands of projects, including
several of my own. Where is Specimen's page right now? Nowhere. If it
was on SourceForge, we'd all be able to get to it.
I was merely offering a suggestion to benefit the community as a whole,
but you all see fit to ridicule me. That's great, thanks.
On Thu, 2006-04-20 at 15:51 -0400, Dana Olson
wrote:
I wonder what Dana has been smoking? If I still smoked, I'd like to
sample that. I know of one project that left in the last month, mainly
because cvs only worked a few hours a week. Life's too short for that
BS.
SourceForge is pretty reliable, and I don't
see it going
down any time soon
LOL 
8:56 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: [ANN] No More Specimen
On Thu, 2006-04-20 at 18:46 -0400, Dana Olson wrote:
I was merely offering a suggestion to benefit the
community as a
whole, but you all see fit to ridicule me. That's great, thanks.
Hey, lighten up - we are making a joke at SF's expense not yours ;-)
Lee
8:59 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: [ANN] No More Specimen
Dana Olson wrote:
The point is, it has been reliable for thousands of
projects, including
several of my own. Where is Specimen's page right now? Nowhere. If it
was on SourceForge, we'd all be able to get to it.
I was merely offering a suggestion to benefit the community as a whole,
but you all see fit to ridicule me. That's great, thanks.
Sorry, Dana, I certainly wasn't ridiculing you. Unfortunately, your
suggestion came at a time when SF has been a beeyatch to work with over
the last month or so. See the Csound list, the Common Music list, and so
on. And this isn't the first time they've been a pain.
Apologies extended. The irony was in my face and I did not resist
temptation. I rarely do: I never know if it'll come again... ;)
Best,
dp
9:09 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: [ANN] No More Specimen
On Thu, 2006-04-20 at 19:00 -0400, Dave Phillips wrote:
Dana Olson wrote:
Alright, understood...
SF has been reliable for me for many years. They're bound to run into
problems occasionally, and so it happened as you said.
For another example of where I think using SF would have benefitted us
as a community, have a look at LinuxSampler's homepage. Since December,
you have been unable to download source tarballs, because they
experience a hardware failure. This made packaging a PITA, especially
for someone as new to making .debs as I am, because whenever possible,
you are encouraged to use the source tarball releases, and not a CVS
checkout. But we had no choice.
In any case, ok, I understand where you guys are coming from.
The point is, it has been reliable for thousands
of projects, including
several of my own. Where is Specimen's page right now? Nowhere. If it
was on SourceForge, we'd all be able to get to it.
I was merely offering a suggestion to benefit the community as a whole,
but you all see fit to ridicule me. That's great, thanks.
Sorry, Dana, I certainly wasn't ridiculing you. Unfortunately, your
suggestion came at a time when SF has been a beeyatch to work with over
the last month or so. See the Csound list, the Common Music list, and so
on. And this isn't the first time they've been a pain.
Apologies extended. The irony was in my face and I did not resist
temptation. I rarely do: I never know if it'll come again... ;)
Best,
dp 
21 Apr
21 Apr
1:06 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: No More Specimen
On 4/21/06, Dana Olson <dana(a)ubuntustudio.com> wrote:
On Thu, 2006-04-20 at 19:00 -0400, Dave Phillips
wrote:
How about berlios, i know a large number of good projects hosted there..... ;)
Berlios is really nice though, no crappy ads and you don't have to use
crippled ancient CVS anymore! yay for svn. ;-) It's also pretty fast
and reliable.
Loki
Dana Olson wrote:
Alright, understood...
SF has been reliable for me for many years. They're bound to run into
problems occasionally, and so it happened as you said.
For another example of where I think using SF would have benefitted us
as a community, have a look at LinuxSampler's homepage. Since December,
you have been unable to download source tarballs, because they
experience a hardware failure. This made packaging a PITA, especially
for someone as new to making .debs as I am, because whenever possible,
you are encouraged to use the source tarball releases, and not a CVS
checkout. But we had no choice.
In any case, ok, I understand where you guys are coming from.
The point is, it has been reliable for thousands
of projects, including
several of my own. Where is Specimen's page right now? Nowhere. If it
was on SourceForge, we'd all be able to get to it.
I was merely offering a suggestion to benefit the community as a whole,
but you all see fit to ridicule me. That's great, thanks.
Sorry, Dana, I certainly wasn't ridiculing you. Unfortunately, your
suggestion came at a time when SF has been a beeyatch to work with over
the last month or so. See the Csound list, the Common Music list, and so
on. And this isn't the first time they've been a pain.
Apologies extended. The irony was in my face and I did not resist
temptation. I rarely do: I never know if it'll come again... ;)
Best,
dp
22 Apr
22 Apr
6:59 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: [ANN] No More Specimen
Dana Olson wrote:
On Thu, 2006-04-20 at 16:19 -0400, Gene Heskett
wrote:
I also want to say that I have no intention of casting aspersions in
your direction, Dana. I just, respectfully, disagree.
-ERic Rz.
On Thursday 20 April 2006 16:01, Lee Revell
wrote:
Hardeeharhar.
The point is, it has been reliable for thousands of projects, including
several of my own. Where is Specimen's page right now? Nowhere. If it
was on SourceForge, we'd all be able to get to it.
I was merely offering a suggestion to benefit the community as a whole,
but you all see fit to ridicule me. That's great, thanks. On Thu, 2006-04-20 at 15:51 -0400, Dana Olson
wrote:
I wonder what Dana has been smoking? If I still
smoked, I'd like to
sample that. I know of one project that left in the last month, mainly
because cvs only worked a few hours a week. Life's too short for that
BS. SourceForge is pretty reliable, and I don't
see it going
down any time soon
LOL
6:50 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: [ANN] No More Specimen
Gene Heskett wrote:
On Thursday 20 April 2006 16:01, Lee Revell wrote:
There are reasons jackaudio.org and ardour.org now exist. As I
understand it, sourceforge's persistent cvs access difficulties played
no small part in those moves.
I've never been comfortable with the "host everything here" mentality of
sourceforge. I'm sure they've done a great thing for the greater
FLOSSing community, but it's just not good, imho, for so many projects
to rely on one vendor's project hosting solution. Besides, I'm more
interested in using svn than cvs. Someone else suggested berlios.de, but
they put banner adds all over everything, and again, it's a "host
everything here" type of solution ... My gut tells me that independently
hosted projects, or smaller clusters of projects on smaller services
will be more scalable in the long term.
I'm a competent sysadmin. I think I can keep my own site up and running
well enough. For various reasons, I'll also be getting some sort of
offsite colocated box with (hopefully) better than DSL bandwidth in the
not too distant future.
As to other developer's efforts, I'm serving as "maintainer". Patches
will be gratefully accepted. If there prove to be other developers who
do actually make significant contributions I'll gladly open up svn
access to the dedicated.
All that said, I'm leaving for LAC2006 later today. Nothing more
specimen related will happen until after the conference.
-Eric Rz.
On Thu, 2006-04-20 at 15:51 -0400, Dana Olson
wrote:
I wonder what Dana has been smoking? If I still
smoked, I'd like to
sample that. I know of one project that left in the last month, mainly
because cvs only worked a few hours a week. Life's too short for that
BS. SourceForge is pretty reliable, and I don't
see it going
down any time soon
LOL 
7:22 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: [ANN] No More Specimen
On Sat, 2006-04-22 at 04:50 -0400, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote:
I've never been comfortable with the "host
everything here" mentality of
sourceforge. I'm sure they've done a great thing for the greater
FLOSSing community, but it's just not good, imho, for so many projects
to rely on one vendor's project hosting solution. Besides, I'm more
interested in using svn than cvs. Someone else suggested berlios.de, but
they put banner adds all over everything, and again, it's a "host
everything here" type of solution ... My gut tells me that independently
hosted projects, or smaller clusters of projects on smaller services
will be more scalable in the long term.
Valid points (although "host everything here" sites are very
convenient). I'd just like to point out that SourceForge does offer SVN
now, you just have to enable it on the Admin page for your project.
--
Lars Luthman
PGP key: http://www.student.nada.kth.se/~d00-llu/pgp_key.php
Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E
23 Apr
23 Apr
4:09 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: [ANN] No More Specimen
On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 04:50:44AM -0400, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote:
Gene Heskett wrote:
My experience with sourceforge leads me to tentatively conclude:
If you have a low-priority project that you work on intermittently,
with maybe a few other developers, and you don't want to bother with
setting up any infrastructure (i.e. public repositories and trackers),
it's very very useful. I'm involved with a couple of projects like
this.
If you live and breathe some particular project(s), you *will* get bit
by sourceforge service outages and the inability to really tweak the
infrastructure to your needs.
--
Paul Winkler
http://www.slinkp.com
On Thursday 20 April 2006 16:01, Lee Revell
wrote:
There are reasons jackaudio.org and ardour.org now exist. As I
understand it, sourceforge's persistent cvs access difficulties played
no small part in those moves. On Thu, 2006-04-20 at 15:51 -0400, Dana Olson
wrote:
I wonder what Dana has been smoking? If I still
smoked, I'd like to
sample that. I know of one project that left in the last month, mainly
because cvs only worked a few hours a week. Life's too short for that
BS. SourceForge is pretty reliable, and I don't
see it going
down any time soon
LOL 
4:17 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: [ANN] No More Specimen
On Sun, 2006-04-23 at 14:09 -0400, Paul Winkler wrote:
On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 04:50:44AM -0400, Eric Dantan
Rzewnicki wrote:
And the insanely long anonymous CVS lag.
-DR-
Gene Heskett wrote:
My experience with sourceforge leads me to tentatively conclude:
If you have a low-priority project that you work on intermittently,
with maybe a few other developers, and you don't want to bother with
setting up any infrastructure (i.e. public repositories and trackers),
it's very very useful. I'm involved with a couple of projects like
this.
If you live and breathe some particular project(s), you *will* get bit
by sourceforge service outages and the inability to really tweak the
infrastructure to your needs. On Thursday 20 April 2006 16:01, Lee Revell
wrote:
There are reasons jackaudio.org and ardour.org now exist. As I
understand it, sourceforge's persistent cvs access difficulties played
no small part in those moves. On Thu, 2006-04-20 at 15:51 -0400, Dana Olson
wrote:
>SourceForge is pretty reliable, and I don't see it going
>down any time soon
LOL
I wonder what Dana has been smoking? If I still smoked, I'd like to
sample that. I know of one project that left in the last month, mainly
because cvs only worked a few hours a week. Life's too short for that
BS.
4:48 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: [ANN] No More Specimen
On Sun, Apr 23, 2006 at 03:24:53PM -0400, Dave Robillard wrote:
On Sun, 2006-04-23 at 14:09 -0400, Paul Winkler
wrote:
Oh yeah, that one's really annoying.
Me: "It's fixed in CVS, update and try again"
User: "Nope, same problem happens"
Me: "might be the CVS lag... try again"
(repeat)
--
Paul Winkler
http://www.slinkp.com
On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 04:50:44AM -0400, Eric
Dantan Rzewnicki wrote:
And the insanely long anonymous CVS lag. Gene Heskett wrote:
My experience with sourceforge leads me to tentatively conclude:
If you have a low-priority project that you work on intermittently,
with maybe a few other developers, and you don't want to bother with
setting up any infrastructure (i.e. public repositories and trackers),
it's very very useful. I'm involved with a couple of projects like
this.
If you live and breathe some particular project(s), you *will* get bit
by sourceforge service outages and the inability to really tweak the
infrastructure to your needs. On Thursday 20 April 2006 16:01, Lee Revell
wrote:
>On Thu, 2006-04-20 at 15:51 -0400, Dana Olson wrote:
>>SourceForge is pretty reliable, and I don't see it going
>>down any time soon
>LOL
I wonder what Dana has been smoking? If I still smoked, I'd like to
sample that. I know of one project that left in the last month, mainly
because cvs only worked a few hours a week. Life's too short for that
BS.
There are reasons jackaudio.org and ardour.org now exist. As I
understand it, sourceforge's persistent cvs access difficulties played
no small part in those moves. 
7 Jun
7 Jun
7:32 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: [ANN] No More Specimen
El Jueves, 20 de Abril de 2006 19:25, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki escribió:
conference. In the meantime, there is a copy of 0.5.1
available here:
http://zhevny.com/specimen/files/
And here
ftp://musix.ourproject.org/pub/musix/sources049/s/
--
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* Reporte de errores a:
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20 Apr
20 Apr
2:51 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: [ANN] No More Specimen
On Thursday 20 April 2006 18:19, Jonny Stutters wrote:
Paul Winkler wrote:
Hi Jonny. I've got 0.5.1 if you want it. Nigel.
On Thu, Apr 20, 2006 at 05:04:45PM +0200, Nigel
Henry wrote:
I've uploaded a copy of specimen-0.4.5.tar.gz (the most recent on my
disk) to:
http://jeremah.co.uk/downloads/linux/specimen/specimen-0.4.5.tar.gz
I'm happy to host for the foreseeable future. If anyone's got a more
recent copy let me know and I'll get that up as well. On Thursday 20 April 2006 15:57, Paul Winkler
wrote:
Thanks, but it's not just me...
the recently-mentioned proaudio overlay for gentoo included
a specimen ebuild, which no longer works due to the 404 :-(
Anybody care to host the tarball? I can understand not wanting to maintain it any
more,
but where'd the download go??
http://gazuga.net/files --> 404
Hi Paul. I'd downloaded the tar.gz while it was still there. If you want
it I'll send it.
Nigel. 
21 Apr
21 Apr
1:57 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: [ANN] No More Specimen
On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:57:14 -0400
Paul Winkler wrote:
I can understand not wanting to maintain it any more,
but where'd the download go??
http://gazuga.net/files --> 404
Pete seems to have become fairly anti-Linux-ish at this point,
unfortunately. http://blog.gazuga.net/?p=93 I'm sorry his
lasting impression was so negative. FWIW, I liked using his
software.
-c
--
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(remove "snip-me." to email)
"As a child I understood how to give; I have forgotten this grace since I
have become civilized." - Chief Luther Standing Bear
6:43 p.m.
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On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:57:14 -0400
Paul Winkler wrote:
>I can understand not wanting to maintain it any more,
>but where'd the download go??
>http://gazuga.net/files --> 404
The specimen-download ist still available:
http://gazuga.net/specimen
i have them downloaded and if the page at gazuga should be closed i will
host them here:
http://84.16.234.50/~zettberlin/law
i think, i will have a folder there to store abandoned free software
with some hope to revival...
Maybe called "orphanange" ;-)
Pete seems to have become fairly anti-Linux-ish at this point,
unfortunately. http://blog.gazuga.net/?p=93 I'm sorry his
lasting impression was so negative. FWIW, I liked using his
software.
-c
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