23 Sep
2014
23 Sep
'14
8:21 p.m.
Hi there,
I encountered a nice piano learning video including hands and animated
keys, but since it is playing at original speed it is way to fast for
me to learn that song. In case anyone is interested, it's this video
and I think it's rather nicely done (don't hate me for the music :P):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ej6MF5KjuOc
I found one way which sort of works (after settings LADSPA_PATH) but it
sounds quite horrible. Is there a better way to do this?
http://markplusplus.wordpress.com/2006/10/01/pitch-correct-play-speed-with-…
Is there a stretchplayer for video?
Regards,
Philipp
23 Sep
23 Sep
8:37 p.m.
On Tue, 2014-09-23 at 20:21 +0200, Philipp Überbacher wrote:
I encountered a nice piano learning video including
hands and animated
keys
Cool request! I didn't care about, resp. didn't clicked your links, but
I'm aware that there are such videos available since years. A friend, a
finished masterclass guy showed me those videos, but I'm even not a
piano beginner, I'm a guitarist ;). I never tried to learn from those
videos.
:)
Ralf
PS: It depends on what you want to learn, but for around 3,- € there are
amazing iThingy apps available. Books for around 80,- € aren't that
flexible and books won't produce audible music output.
8:39 p.m.
Am Dienstag, 23. September 2014, 20:21:30 schrieb Philipp Überbacher:
Hi there,
I encountered a nice piano learning video including hands and animated
keys, but since it is playing at original speed it is way to fast for
me to learn that song. In case anyone is interested, it's this video
and I think it's rather nicely done (don't hate me for the music :P):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ej6MF5KjuOc
I found one way which sort of works (after settings LADSPA_PATH) but it
sounds quite horrible. Is there a better way to do this?
http://markplusplus.wordpress.com/2006/10/01/pitch-correct-play-speed-with-…
Is there a stretchplayer for video?
VLC can do that, there's no nice GUI element for speed control, but a submenu in
"playback" menu... don't expect high quality either.
Edgar
Regards,
Philipp
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10:29 p.m.
On Tue, 23 Sep 2014 20:39:03 +0200
Edgar Aichinger <edogawa(a)aon.at> wrote:
Am Dienstag, 23. September 2014, 20:21:30 schrieb
Philipp Überbacher:
Hi Edgar,
both mplayer and VLC provide such controls, it allows to slow
down or speed up the video but the audio is not pitch corrected as far
as I can tell.
A line like this works but requires to set the pitch beforehand
and also sounds rather bad.
mplayer -speed 0.5 -af ladspa=tap_pitch:tap_pitch:0:100:-90:0 Careless\
Whisper\,\ George\ Michael\,\ piano-Ej6MF5KjuOc.mp4
Regards,
Philipp
Hi there,
I encountered a nice piano learning video including hands and
animated keys, but since it is playing at original speed it is way
to fast for me to learn that song. In case anyone is interested,
it's this video and I think it's rather nicely done (don't hate me
for the music :P): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ej6MF5KjuOc
I found one way which sort of works (after settings LADSPA_PATH)
but it sounds quite horrible. Is there a better way to do this?
http://markplusplus.wordpress.com/2006/10/01/pitch-correct-play-speed-with-…
Is there a stretchplayer for video?
VLC can do that, there's no nice GUI element for speed control, but a
submenu in "playback" menu... don't expect high quality either.
Edgar
24 Sep
24 Sep
3:18 p.m.
Am Dienstag, 23. September 2014, 22:29:27 schrieb Philipp Überbacher:
On Tue, 23 Sep 2014 20:39:03 +0200
Edgar Aichinger <edogawa(a)aon.at> wrote:
Hi again, Philipp,
I wouldn't have suggested it if it wouldn't timestretch (while retaining pitch), I
also explicitely tested it before I sent my mail and can assure that it doesn't change
pitch while slowing down, both in video and audio files...
Edgar
Am Dienstag, 23. September 2014, 20:21:30 schrieb
Philipp Überbacher:
Hi Edgar,
both mplayer and VLC provide such controls, it allows to slow
down or speed up the video but the audio is not pitch corrected as far
as I can tell. Hi there,
I encountered a nice piano learning video including hands and
animated keys, but since it is playing at original speed it is way
to fast for me to learn that song. In case anyone is interested,
it's this video and I think it's rather nicely done (don't hate me
for the music :P): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ej6MF5KjuOc
I found one way which sort of works (after settings LADSPA_PATH)
but it sounds quite horrible. Is there a better way to do this?
http://markplusplus.wordpress.com/2006/10/01/pitch-correct-play-speed-with-…
Is there a stretchplayer for video?
VLC can do that, there's no nice GUI element for speed control, but a
submenu in "playback" menu... don't expect high quality either.
Edgar
A line like this works but requires to set the pitch beforehand
and also sounds rather bad.
mplayer -speed 0.5 -af ladspa=tap_pitch:tap_pitch:0:100:-90:0 Careless\
Whisper\,\ George\ Michael\,\ piano-Ej6MF5KjuOc.mp4
Regards,
Philipp
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4:36 p.m.
On Wed, 24 Sep 2014 15:18:51 +0200
Edgar Aichinger <edogawa(a)aon.at> wrote:
Am Dienstag, 23. September 2014, 22:29:27 schrieb
Philipp Überbacher:
Hi Edgar,
it was a mistake on my side. There is an option that needs to be
enabled. It can be found under Tools -> Preferences -> Audio and there
in the effects section is an option called 'Enable Time-Stretching
audio'. If enabled the pitch is corrected.
Regards,
Philipp
On Tue, 23 Sep 2014 20:39:03 +0200
Edgar Aichinger <edogawa(a)aon.at> wrote:
Hi again, Philipp,
I wouldn't have suggested it if it wouldn't timestretch (while
retaining pitch), I also explicitely tested it before I sent my mail
and can assure that it doesn't change pitch while slowing down, both
in video and audio files...
Edgar Am Dienstag, 23. September 2014, 20:21:30 schrieb
Philipp
Überbacher:
Hi Edgar,
both mplayer and VLC provide such controls, it allows to slow
down or speed up the video but the audio is not pitch corrected as
far as I can tell. Hi there,
I encountered a nice piano learning video including hands and
animated keys, but since it is playing at original speed it is
way to fast for me to learn that song. In case anyone is
interested, it's this video and I think it's rather nicely done
(don't hate me for the music :P):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ej6MF5KjuOc
I found one way which sort of works (after settings LADSPA_PATH)
but it sounds quite horrible. Is there a better way to do this?
http://markplusplus.wordpress.com/2006/10/01/pitch-correct-play-speed-with-…
Is there a stretchplayer for video?
VLC can do that, there's no nice GUI element for speed control,
but a submenu in "playback" menu... don't expect high quality
either.
Edgar 
23 Sep
23 Sep
8:48 p.m.
On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Philipp Überbacher <murks(a)tuxfamily.org>
wrote:
Hi there,
I encountered a nice piano learning video including hands and animated
keys, but since it is playing at original speed it is way to fast for
me to learn that song. In case anyone is interested, it's this video
and I think it's rather nicely done (don't hate me for the music :P):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ej6MF5KjuOc
I found one way which sort of works (after settings LADSPA_PATH) but it
sounds quite horrible. Is there a better way to do this?
http://markplusplus.wordpress.com/2006/10/01/pitch-correct-play-speed-with-…
Is there a stretchplayer for video?
Don't know about slowing this down ...
But, that is a really hard way to learn something. Much easier to learn to
read music and learn the basics of piano playing!
--
**** Listen to my FREE CD at http://www.mellowood.ca/music/cedars ****
Bob van der Poel ** Wynndel, British Columbia, CANADA **
EMAIL: bob(a)mellowood.ca
WWW: http://www.mellowood.ca
9:12 p.m.
On Tue, 2014-09-23 at 11:47 -0700, Bob van der Poel wrote:
Much easier to learn to read music and learn the
basics of piano
playing!
It won't show you what a video with animations does show you, when it is
done by masterclass folks. And this is not only good for masterclass
people who share their knowledge with other folks on the same level,
it's also good for beginners with artistical gifts, who don't think in a
way to learn in "school style" (left vs right cerebral hemisphere ...
especially for people who can't read music, e.g. regarding to perception
disorder, such as dyslexia, when the notes become ants running around
the sheet). And as already pointed out, books or paying a teacher is
muuuuuch more expensive than a video or iThingy app.
8:57 p.m.
PS: Perhaps you should subscribe to receive Tracktion advertisements. I
directly filter them to my junk folder, but I read them, to follow the
development. A few days ago I received an advertisement about an
included software for pitch correction editing, an award winner rival to
the Antares thingy. We never know, perhaps in a few month, it would
provide video handling too.
11:40 p.m.
On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 08:21:30PM +0200, Philipp Überbacher wrote:
Hi there,
I encountered a nice piano learning video including hands and animated
keys, but since it is playing at original speed it is way to fast for
me to learn that song. In case anyone is interested, it's this video
and I think it's rather nicely done (don't hate me for the music :P):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ej6MF5KjuOc
I found one way which sort of works (after settings LADSPA_PATH) but it
sounds quite horrible. Is there a better way to do this?
http://markplusplus.wordpress.com/2006/10/01/pitch-correct-play-speed-with-…
Is there a stretchplayer for video?
The audio filter `scaletempo' should be acceptable for your purpose:
mplayer -af scaletempo -speed 0.5 video...
it's a little better:
mplayer -af scaletempo=stride=50:overlap=.25:search=20 -speed 0.5 video...
24 Sep
24 Sep
12:50 p.m.
On Tue, 23 Sep 2014 23:41:26 +0200
Tito Latini <tito.01beta(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 08:21:30PM +0200, Philipp
Überbacher wrote:
Thanks Tito, it sounds indeed a little better than with the ladspa
plugin. I guess piano notes just sound a little weird at half speed.
Regards,
Philipp
Hi there,
I encountered a nice piano learning video including hands and
animated keys, but since it is playing at original speed it is way
to fast for me to learn that song. In case anyone is interested,
it's this video and I think it's rather nicely done (don't hate me
for the music :P): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ej6MF5KjuOc
I found one way which sort of works (after settings LADSPA_PATH)
but it sounds quite horrible. Is there a better way to do this?
http://markplusplus.wordpress.com/2006/10/01/pitch-correct-play-speed-with-…
Is there a stretchplayer for video?
The audio filter `scaletempo' should be acceptable for your purpose:
mplayer -af scaletempo -speed 0.5 video...
it's a little better:
mplayer -af scaletempo=stride=50:overlap=.25:search=20 -speed 0.5
video... 
12:37 a.m.
On Tuesday 23 September 2014, Philipp Überbacher wrote:
Hi there,
I encountered a nice piano learning video including hands and animated
keys, but since it is playing at original speed it is way to fast for
me to learn that song. In case anyone is interested, it's this video
and I think it's rather nicely done (don't hate me for the music :P):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ej6MF5KjuOc
There is a link to the Midi file. You
can play a Midi file at any speed and look at the piano roll.
Gerhard
12:52 p.m.
On Wed, 24 Sep 2014 00:36:55 +0200
Gerhard Zintel <gerhard.zintel(a)web.de> wrote:
On Tuesday 23 September 2014, Philipp Überbacher
wrote:
Thanks Gerhard,
I had overlooked the midi file and sheet there. It should be of great
help. Guess I'll use the video then only if I'm unsure about the
fingering.
Regards,
Philipp
Hi there,
I encountered a nice piano learning video including hands and
animated keys, but since it is playing at original speed it is way
to fast for me to learn that song. In case anyone is interested,
it's this video and I think it's rather nicely done (don't hate me
for the music :P): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ej6MF5KjuOc
There is a link to
the Midi file. You can play a Midi file at any
speed and look at the piano roll.
Gerhard 
25 Sep
25 Sep
4:07 p.m.
On 09/23/2014 02:21 PM, Philipp Überbacher wrote:
I encountered a nice piano learning video including
hands and animated
keys, but since it is playing at original speed it is way to fast for
me to learn that song. In case anyone is interested, it's this video
and I think it's rather nicely done (don't hate me for the music :P):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ej6MF5KjuOc
While it sounds like you may have found something that gets the job done, I
got better quality (to my ears) than mplayer or VLC like this:
$ ffmpeg -i careless-whisper-piano-orig.mp4 -an -b:v 1022k -vf
"setpts=(1/0.25)*PTS" careless-whisper-piano-tutorial.mp4
$ ffmpeg -i careless-whisper-piano-orig.mp4 careless-whisper-piano-tutorial.wav
$ rubberband -t4 careless-whisper-piano-tutorial.wav
careless-whisper-piano-tutorial-stretched.wav
$ ffmpeg -i careless-whisper-piano-tutorial.mp4 -i
careless-whisper-piano-tutorial-stretched.wav -c:v copy
careless-whisper-piano-tutorial-stretched.mp4
It took a while (probably 20 minutes on my underpowered laptop) but I think
this is the method I'll be using the next time I want to learn a part. Not
really a fan of this particular song, but stretched out 4:1 it sounds kind
of mellow and what artifacts I hear just make it a little bit trippy, while
making any Richard-Clayderman-esque parallel-6th abuse and other
easy-listening cliches in this arrangement less noticeable. So, that's an
improvement.
Rob
26 Sep
26 Sep
2:13 p.m.
On Thu, 25 Sep 2014 10:06:57 -0400
Rob Kudla <lau(a)kudla.org> wrote:
On 09/23/2014 02:21 PM, Philipp Überbacher wrote:
Thanks a lot Rob.
I finally came around to try this method and it sounds indeed better
than the on-the-fly methods in VLC and so on.
I find it funny that, according to Wikipedia, George Michael himself
doesn't particularly like the song (at least the lyrics). I'm not a
George Michael fan nor do I particularly like easy listening music,
quite on the contrary, but it's a nice enough song and I figured it's
not too hard to learn. Once I know how to play it I'll play
with it and interpret it anyway. Let's see how that will turn out :)
Regards,
Philipp
I encountered a nice piano learning video
including hands and
animated keys, but since it is playing at original speed it is way
to fast for me to learn that song. In case anyone is interested,
it's this video and I think it's rather nicely done (don't hate me
for the music :P): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ej6MF5KjuOc
While it sounds like you may have found something that gets the job
done, I got better quality (to my ears) than mplayer or VLC like this:
$ ffmpeg -i careless-whisper-piano-orig.mp4 -an -b:v 1022k -vf
"setpts=(1/0.25)*PTS" careless-whisper-piano-tutorial.mp4
$ ffmpeg -i careless-whisper-piano-orig.mp4
careless-whisper-piano-tutorial.wav
$ rubberband -t4 careless-whisper-piano-tutorial.wav
careless-whisper-piano-tutorial-stretched.wav
$ ffmpeg -i careless-whisper-piano-tutorial.mp4 -i
careless-whisper-piano-tutorial-stretched.wav -c:v copy
careless-whisper-piano-tutorial-stretched.mp4
It took a while (probably 20 minutes on my underpowered laptop) but I
think this is the method I'll be using the next time I want to learn
a part. Not really a fan of this particular song, but stretched out
4:1 it sounds kind of mellow and what artifacts I hear just make it a
little bit trippy, while making any Richard-Clayderman-esque
parallel-6th abuse and other easy-listening cliches in this
arrangement less noticeable. So, that's an improvement.
Rob
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