6:37 a.m.
On Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 01:08:20AM -0700, sevol wrote:
On 7/6/09, Burkhard W?lfel
<versuchsanstalt(a)gmx.de> wrote:
minimal!!!
Succinct.
Obligatory thread hijack ... what minimum CPU performance is necessary
for single track piano capture using MIDI via USB?
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6:47 a.m.
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 1:37 AM, James Cameron<quozl(a)us.netrek.org> wrote:
On Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 01:08:20AM -0700, sevol
wrote:
Pentium should suffice, 386 could maybe do it.
On 7/6/09, Burkhard W?lfel
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minimal!!!
Succinct.
Obligatory thread hijack ... what minimum CPU performance is necessary
for single track piano capture using MIDI via USB?
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On Tuesday 07 July 2009 10:37:08 James Cameron wrote:
On Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 01:08:20AM -0700, sevol
wrote:
The old atari is overkill for the midi-part. If you find a 386 (or even 286)
with usb interface, try it and tell us if it really doesn't work because of
cpu performance.
Arnold
On 7/6/09, Burkhard W?lfel
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minimal!!!
Succinct.
Obligatory thread hijack ... what minimum CPU performance is necessary
for single track piano capture using MIDI via USB? 
9 Jul
9 Jul
4:45 p.m.
Am 07.07.2009 um 10:08 schrieb sevol <sevols.ear(a)gmail.com>om>:
On 7/6/09, Burkhard Wölfel
<versuchsanstalt(a)gmx.de> wrote:
minimal!!!
:-) glad you like it - but what the fsck did i do there? Let's blame
it on my mobile device, 8:45 is the time I usually hop off the bus...
how strange.
Sorry, all.
- Burkhard
6:46 p.m.
That's so much more Cage'ian! Incidental messages, Empty Words :)
Great stuff. Not only do we discover that there is a FLOSS
experimental music label but also LAU is Cage compatible. All this
within the same week.
./MiS
2009/7/9 Burkhard Wölfel <versuchsanstalt(a)gmx.de>de>:
Am 07.07.2009 um 10:08 schrieb sevol <sevols.ear(a)gmail.com>om>:
On 7/6/09, Burkhard Wölfel
<versuchsanstalt(a)gmx.de> wrote:
minimal!!!
:-) glad you like it - but what the fsck did i do there? Let's blame
it on my mobile device, 8:45 is the time I usually hop off the bus...
how strange.
Sorry, all.
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10:25 a.m.
On 7/9/09, Burkhard Wölfel <versuchsanstalt(a)gmx.de> wrote:
Am 07.07.2009 um 10:08 schrieb sevol <sevols.ear(a)gmail.com>om>:
I like even better that your mobile device started this thread without
your permission :)
On 7/6/09, Burkhard Wölfel
<versuchsanstalt(a)gmx.de> wrote:
minimal!!!
:-) glad you like it - but what the fsck did i do there? Let's blame
it on my mobile device, 8:45 is the time I usually hop off the bus...
how strange.
Sorry, all.
- Burkhard
9 Jul
9 Jul
3:10 p.m.
On Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 04:47:11PM -0400, drew Roberts wrote:
On Tuesday 07 July 2009 02:45:54 Burkhard W?lfel
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This is awesome. Someone should start a thread of just nothing, and .sigs.
We could call it 4'33"
-ken
10 Jul
10 Jul
4:13 a.m.
On Thursday 09 July 2009 23:12:09 drew Roberts wrote:
On Thursday 09 July 2009 13:10:08 you wrote:
No, until now citations are allowed if they stay within reasonable size
compared to the original. So you aren't allowed to quote the full silence but
quoting short extracts from empty mails is okay... (*)
Arnold
(*) Of course, german newspapers are working towards making citations non-free
of charge. :-/
We could call it 4'33"
Yeah but
there could well be copyright issues if one person quotes another
person's nothing. 
4:15 a.m.
And what does DRM have to say about your unauthorized citation of silence?
Hmm?
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 11:13 PM, Arnold Krille <arnold(a)arnoldarts.de> wrote:
On Thursday 09 July 2009 23:12:09 drew Roberts wrote:
On Thursday 09 July 2009 13:10:08 you wrote:
another
We could call it 4'33"
Yeah but
there could well be copyright issues if one person quotes person's nothing.
No, until now citations are allowed if they stay within reasonable size
compared to the original. So you aren't allowed to quote the full silence
but
quoting short extracts from empty mails is okay... (*)
Arnold
(*) Of course, german newspapers are working towards making citations
non-free
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Forget about DRM. What does the RIAA say about your unauthorized use of
silence in your music?
Oh, and you mean the "going-out-of-business newspapers"?
munkeyfreenix batcat wrote:
And what does DRM have to say about your unauthorized
citation of
silence? Hmm?
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 11:13 PM, Arnold Krille wrote:
On Thursday 09 July 2009 23:12:09 drew Roberts wrote:
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On Thursday 09 July 2009 13:10:08 you wrote:
quotes another
We could call it 4'33"
Yeah but
there could well be copyright issues if one person person's nothing.
No, until now citations are allowed if they stay within reasonable size
compared to the original. So you aren't allowed to quote the full
silence but
quoting short extracts from empty mails is okay... (*)
Arnold
(*) Of course, german newspapers are working towards making
citations non-free
of charge. :-/ 
5:50 a.m.
If I sample some funky silence, do you think they can work out if I stole it from Michael
Jackson or from James Brown?
QUOTE QUOTE QUOTE (blame yahoo)
Forget about DRM. What does the RIAA say about your unauthorized use of
silence in your music?
Oh, and you mean the "going-out-of-business newspapers"?
munkeyfreenix batcat wrote:
And what does DRM have to say about your unauthorized
citation of
silence? Hmm?
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On Thursday 09 July 2009 13:10:08 you wrote:
quotes another
We could call it 4'33"
Yeah but
there could well be copyright issues if one person person's nothing.
No, until now citations are allowed if they stay within reasonable size
compared to the original. So you aren't allowed to quote the full
silence but
quoting short extracts from empty mails is okay... (*)
Arnold
(*) Of course, german newspapers are working towards making
citations non-free
of charge. :-/
6 a.m.
depends on whose lawyers notice your copyright infringement first.
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 12:50 AM, Norval Watson <norv2001(a)yahoo.com.au>wrote;wrote:
If I sample some funky silence, do you think they can work out if I stole
it from Michael Jackson or from James Brown?
QUOTE QUOTE QUOTE (blame yahoo)
Forget about DRM. What does the RIAA say about your unauthorized use of
silence in your music?
Oh, and you mean the "going-out-of-business newspapers"?
munkeyfreenix batcat wrote:
And what does DRM have to say about your
unauthorized citation of
silence? Hmm?
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 11:13 PM, Arnold Krille wrote:
On Thursday 09 July 2009 23:12:09 drew Roberts wrote:
size
On Thursday 09 July 2009 13:10:08 you wrote:
quotes another
We could call it 4'33"
Yeah but
there could well be copyright issues if one person person's nothing.
No, until now citations are allowed if they stay within reasonable compared to the original. So you aren't
allowed to quote the full
silence but
quoting short extracts from empty mails is okay... (*)
Arnold
(*) Of course, german newspapers are working towards making
citations non-free
of charge. :-/
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It might be interesting to blindfold some lawyers and run some samples
past their ears to see if they could identify the original source with
any accuracy at all. ;-)
munkeyfreenix batcat wrote:
depends on whose lawyers notice your copyright
infringement first.
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 12:50 AM, Norval Watson wrote:
If I sample some funky silence, do you think they can work out if I
stole it from Michael Jackson or from James Brown?
QUOTE QUOTE QUOTE (blame yahoo)
Forget about DRM. What does the RIAA say about your unauthorized use of
silence in your music?
Oh, and you mean the "going-out-of-business newspapers"?
munkeyfreenix batcat wrote:
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And what does DRM have to say about your
unauthorized citation of
silence? Hmm?
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 11:13 PM, Arnold Krille wrote:
On Thursday 09 July 2009 23:12:09 drew Roberts wrote:
reasonable size
> compared to the original. So you aren't allowed to quote the full
> silence but
> quoting short extracts from empty mails is okay... (*)
>
> Arnold
>
> (*) Of course, german newspapers are working towards making
> citations non-free
> of charge. :-/ On Thursday 09 July 2009 13:10:08 you wrote:
quotes another
We could call it 4'33"
Yeah but
there could well be copyright issues if one person person's nothing.
No, until now citations are allowed if they stay within 
12:28 p.m.
Just for fun:
http://classicalconvert.com/2007/07/the-stupidest-music-lawsuit-ever-infrin…
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/SHOWBIZ/Music/09/23/uk.silence/
drew
On Friday 10 July 2009 02:13:46 Arnold Krille wrote:
On Thursday 09 July 2009 23:12:09 drew Roberts wrote:
On Thursday 09 July 2009 13:10:08 you wrote:
No, until now citations are allowed if they stay within reasonable size
compared to the original. So you aren't allowed to quote the full silence
but quoting short extracts from empty mails is okay... (*)
Arnold
(*) Of course, german newspapers are working towards making citations
non-free of charge. :-/ We could call it 4'33"
Yeah but there could well be copyright issues if one person quotes
another person's nothing.
2:32 p.m.
Am 10.07.2009 um 16:28 schrieb drew Roberts <zotz(a)100jamz.com>om>:
Just for fun:
http://classicalconvert.com/2007/07/the-stupidest-music-lawsuit-ever-infrin…
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/SHOWBIZ/Music/09/23/uk.silence/
Thanks for the links. I am sure Cage would have laughed about the
lawsuit. Who knows if Ed. Peters would have sued if he were still alive.
What the articles are missing, and I think that is an important aspect
of the work, is the various reactions of the audience when 4'33 is
performed. If you have the chance to listen (sic!) to such a
performance, don't miss it. Bear in mind that modern audiences are
usually informed about the nature of the piece and you are not likely
to witness very angry reactions. The grotesque aspect of it gets far
more attention today.
By the way, did you know that all four movements are available on
iTunes? 0,99€ each, as you would expect.
Again, I am sure he'd have laughed about it, happy about the discussion.
Oh yes, and did you know also that Cage did not listen to recorded
music at all?
- Burkhard
drew
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No, until now citations are allowed if they stay within reasonable
size
compared to the original. So you aren't allowed to quote the full
silence
but quoting short extracts from empty mails is okay... (*)
Arnold
(*) Of course, german newspapers are working towards making citations
non-free of charge. :-/ We could call it 4'33"
Yeah but there could well be copyright issues if one person quotes
another person's nothing.
3:24 p.m.
2009/7/10 Burkhard Wölfel <versuchsanstalt(a)gmx.de>de>:
Am 10.07.2009 um 16:28 schrieb drew Roberts <zotz(a)100jamz.com>om>:
The lawsuit was not stupid. They credited Cage as a composer, and
seeing as he had nothing to do with making the piece, they could have
at least gotten permission to use the composition they were
referencing if they were going to use his name on their work.
Just for fun:
http://classicalconvert.com/2007/07/the-stupidest-music-lawsuit-ever-infrin…
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/SHOWBIZ/Music/09/23/uk.silence/
Thanks for the links. I am sure Cage would have laughed about the
lawsuit. Who knows if Ed. Peters would have sued if he were still alive.
What the articles are missing, and I think that is an important aspect
of the work, is the various reactions of the audience when 4'33 is
performed. If you have the chance to listen (sic!) to such a
performance, don't miss it. Bear in mind that modern audiences are
usually informed about the nature of the piece and you are not likely
to witness very angry reactions. The grotesque aspect of it gets far
more attention today.
By the way, did you know that all four movements are available on
iTunes? 0,99€ each, as you would expect.
Again, I am sure he'd have laughed about it, happy about the discussion.
Oh yes, and did you know also that Cage did not listen to recorded
music at all?
- Burkhard
drew
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> We could call it 4'33"
Yeah but there could well be copyright issues if one person quotes
another person's nothing.
No, until now citations are allowed if they stay within reasonable
size
compared to the original. So you aren't allowed to quote the full
silence
but quoting short extracts from empty mails is okay... (*)
Arnold
(*) Of course, german newspapers are working towards making citations
non-free of charge. :-/
9:54 p.m.
I thought it was 4'32".
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Dave Phillips <dlphillips(a)woh.rr.com> wrote:
Ken Restivo wrote:
This is awesome. Someone should start a thread of just nothing, and
.sigs.
We could call it 4'33"
Btw, I have a MIDI file of that piece, in case anyone wants it.
(Totally straightfaced),
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I guess 4'33" is the directors cut ;)
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 9:54 AM, munkeyfreenix
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I thought it was 4'32".
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Dave Phillips <dlphillips(a)woh.rr.com> wrote:
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This is awesome. Someone should start a thread of just nothing, and
.sigs.
We could call it 4'33"
Btw, I have a MIDI file of that piece, in case anyone wants it.
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Yeah, but that last . is killer awesome rocking stuff.
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I guess 4'33" is the directors cut ;)
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 9:54 AM, munkeyfreenix
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> I thought it was 4'32".
>
> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Dave Phillips <dlphillips(a)woh.rr.com>
wrote:
Ken Restivo wrote:
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just nothing, and
.sigs.
We could call it 4'33"
Btw, I have a MIDI file of that piece, in case anyone wants it.
(Totally straightfaced),
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12 Jul
5:49 p.m.
Dave Phillips wrote:
Ken Restivo wrote:
cool. send it my way. i've had no soundfonts whatsoever installed on my
system for quite a while, and i was wondering what to do with them.
This is awesome. Someone should start a thread of
just nothing, and .sigs.
We could call it 4'33"
Btw, I have a MIDI file of that piece, in case anyone wants it.
(Totally straightfaced),
dp
10:51 p.m.
On Sunday 12 July 2009 15:49:24 Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote:
Dave Phillips wrote:
I much prefer analogue silence to digital silence and midi silence comes in
last. Well unless we get into virtual silence and imaginary silence.
On a related topic, I heard that the income that can be earned from a public
performance of this piece on a Tuesday between 9 and 11 pm is proportional to
the volume at which it is performed. Can anyone on list confirm or deny this
fict?
drew
Ken Restivo wrote:
cool. send it my way. i've had no soundfonts whatsoever installed on my
system for quite a while, and i was wondering what to do with them. This is awesome. Someone should start a thread of
just nothing, and
.sigs.
We could call it 4'33"
Btw, I have a MIDI file of that piece, in case anyone wants it.
(Totally straightfaced),
dp
13 Jul
13 Jul
9:04 a.m.
drew Roberts wrote:
On Sunday 12 July 2009 15:49:24 Jörn Nettingsmeier
wrote:
I never get any imaginary silence - my imaginary friends just won't shut
up! "They're coming to take me away, ha ha, to the happy home with trees
and flowers and chirping birds - they're coming to take me away!"
Dave Phillips wrote:
I much prefer analogue silence to digital silence and midi silence comes in
last. Well unless we get into virtual silence and imaginary silence. Ken Restivo wrote:
cool. send it my way. i've had no soundfonts whatsoever installed on my
system for quite a while, and i was wondering what to do with them. This is awesome. Someone should start a thread of
just nothing, and
.sigs.
We could call it 4'33"
Btw, I have a MIDI file of that piece, in case
anyone wants it.
(Totally straightfaced),
dp On a related topic, I heard that the income that can
be earned from a public
performance of this piece on a Tuesday between 9 and 11 pm is proportional to
the volume at which it is performed.
Well, as I get older, I find that I have to crank the volume up when I
listen to it now ...
Can anyone on list confirm or deny this
fict?
("fict"ion?) ;-)
Now I want to know ... should we have 4"33' of silence each August 12 in
memory of Mr Cage?
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10:21 a.m.
On 7/12/09, drew Roberts <zotz(a)100jamz.com> wrote:
On Sunday 12 July 2009 15:49:24 Jörn Nettingsmeier
wrote:
Wasn't Cages original idea that there really couldn't be a silent
piece? New sound appeared with each new audience. The audience, in a
way, become the performance. Likewise, they're the performers. So, it
seems the volume would be proportional to the amount of peeps that
paid to experience a live show. Like us, at this virtual outing on a
thread that began so softly, it's tough to remain completely silent
for too long.
-sevol
Dave Phillips wrote:
I much prefer analogue silence to digital silence and midi silence comes in
last. Well unless we get into virtual silence and imaginary silence.
On a related topic, I heard that the income that can be earned from a public
performance of this piece on a Tuesday between 9 and 11 pm is proportional
to
the volume at which it is performed. Can anyone on list confirm or deny this
fict?
drew Ken Restivo wrote:
cool. send it my way. i've had no soundfonts whatsoever installed on my
system for quite a while, and i was wondering what to do with them. This is awesome. Someone should start a thread of
just nothing, and
.sigs.
We could call it 4'33"
Btw, I have a MIDI file of that piece, in case anyone wants it.
(Totally straightfaced),
dp
10:03 a.m.
On 7/9/09, Dave Phillips <dlphillips(a)woh.rr.com> wrote:
Ken Restivo wrote:
What software did you use to capture it? Or is it a copy? :)
This is awesome. Someone should start a thread of just nothing, and .sigs.
We could call it 4'33"
Btw, I have a MIDI file of that piece, in case anyone wants it.
(Totally straightfaced),
dp 
10:59 a.m.
sevol wrote:
On 7/9/09, Dave Phillips <dlphillips(a)woh.rr.com>
wrote:
I copied it from the score. Really.
Btw, Wikipedia has a pretty nice page on 4'33" :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4%E2%80%B233%E2%80%B3
Best,
dp
Ken Restivo wrote:
What software did you use to capture it? Or is it a copy? :)
This is awesome. Someone should start a thread of
just nothing, and .sigs.
We could call it 4'33"
Btw, I have a MIDI file of that piece, in case anyone wants it.
(Totally straightfaced),
dp
12:46 p.m.
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 5:59 AM, Dave Phillips<dlphillips(a)woh.rr.com> wrote:
sevol wrote:
A friend of mine made this interactive online electronic version of the peice:
http://deathbyhonor.com/index.php?/project/433/
On 7/9/09, Dave Phillips
<dlphillips(a)woh.rr.com> wrote:
I copied it from the score. Really.
Btw, Wikipedia has a pretty nice page on 4'33" :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4%E2%80%B233%E2%80%B3
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What software did you use to capture it? Or is it a copy? :)
This is awesome. Someone should start a thread of
just nothing, and .sigs.
We could call it 4'33"
Btw, I have a MIDI file of that piece, in case anyone wants it.
(Totally straightfaced),
dp
12:51 p.m.
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 7:46 AM, Justin Smith<noisesmith(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 5:59 AM, Dave
Phillips<dlphillips(a)woh.rr.com> wrote:
never mind, it appears to be down right now, it was a java applet made
in processing which displayed a series of loadbars with the timings of
Cage's three movements.
sevol wrote:
A friend of mine made this interactive online electronic version of the peice:
http://deathbyhonor.com/index.php?/project/433/
On 7/9/09, Dave Phillips
<dlphillips(a)woh.rr.com> wrote:
I copied it from the score. Really.
Btw, Wikipedia has a pretty nice page on 4'33" :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4%E2%80%B233%E2%80%B3
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Ken Restivo wrote:
> This is awesome. Someone should start a thread of just nothing, and .sigs.
>
> We could call it 4'33"
>
>
>
Btw, I have a MIDI file of that piece, in case anyone wants it.
(Totally straightfaced),
dp
What software did you use to capture it? Or is it a copy? :)
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