29 Jan
2011
29 Jan
'11
8:14 a.m.
...or can be a welcome addition...
Top-posting courtesy of android
david <gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
Niels Mayer wrote:
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 4:10 AM,
<fons(a)kokkinizita.net> wrote:
Which can very easily turn into useless visual clutter that hinders
usability.
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opinion, makes a GUI 'state
of the art' as opposed 'late 90s'. In other words, a list of features,
properties etc. as opposed to just an example to look at.
Transition effects, dynamic scrolling, 3d effects, etc. 
29 Jan
29 Jan
9:40 a.m.
New subject: State of the art GUI
One person's welcome addition can be someone else's useless visual
clutter! So clearly, the usability of an app should not be dependent on
the presence of what (IMHO) is useless visual clutter much more than
half the time ...
Top-posting just to be courteous to Android. ;-)
Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:
...or can be a welcome addition...
Top-posting courtesy of android
david <gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
> Niels Mayer wrote:
>> On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 4:10 AM, <fons(a)kokkinizita.net> wrote:
>>> I'd be interested to know what, in your opinion, makes a GUI 'state
>>> of the art' as opposed 'late 90s'. In other words, a list of
features,
>>> properties etc. as opposed to just an example to look at.
>> Transition effects, dynamic scrolling, 3d effects, etc.
> Which can very easily turn into useless visual clutter that hinders
> usability.
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10:42 a.m.
New subject: State of the art GUI
On the subject of android phones, only a small selection of them and other
smartphones/tablets actually have keyboards. Surely item #7 for having
keyboard accelerators for every function is a bit of a misnomer if you are
talking about State of the Art? This is definitely not a must have. Computing
is changing and the keyboard, as useful as it is for some users, is very `last
century`.
Regards, nick.
Top posted for the benefit of state of the art interfaces.
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Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 22:40:38 -1000
From: gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
To: linux-audio-user(a)lists.linuxaudio.org
Subject: Re: [LAU] State of the art GUI
One person's welcome addition can be someone else's useless visual
clutter! So clearly, the usability of an app should not be dependent on
the presence of what (IMHO) is useless visual clutter much more than
half the time ...
Top-posting just to be courteous to Android. ;-)
Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:
...or can be a welcome addition...
Top-posting courtesy of android
david <gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
> Niels Mayer wrote:
>> On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 4:10 AM, <fons(a)kokkinizita.net> wrote:
>>> I'd be interested to know what, in your opinion, makes a GUI 'state
>>> of the art' as opposed 'late 90s'. In other words, a list of
features,
>>> properties etc. as opposed to just an example to look at.
>> Transition effects, dynamic scrolling, 3d effects, etc.
> Which can very easily turn into useless visual clutter that hinders
> usability.
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3:38 p.m.
New subject: State of the art GUI
On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 4:41 AM, Nick Copeland
<nickycopeland(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
On the subject of android phones, only a small
selection of them and other
smartphones/tablets actually have keyboards. Surely item #7 for having
keyboard accelerators for every function is a bit of a misnomer if you are
talking about State of the Art? This is definitely not a must have.
alexandre's second list concerned usability, and although its clear
that some platforms do not have or need good keyboard driven
approaches, people are not going to be mixing multitrack audio on
android phones for a while yet. the keyboard is still an incredibly,
incredibly efficient man/machine interface, when it exists.
i believe that it is/was the lack of such an approach that played an
important role in alex & chris deciding to start OOM, for example,
because they are both aware of the incredible speedup it provides for
professional (read "deeply familiar") users compared to point (with
mouse or finger(s) and click methods.
3:46 p.m.
New subject: State of the art GUI
On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 2:38 PM, Paul Davis <paul(a)linuxaudiosystems.com>wrote;wrote:
On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 4:41 AM, Nick Copeland
<nickycopeland(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
+1
Touch interfaces, voice (and eventually mind) control - pah! You will have
to prise the keyboard and terminal from my cold, dead hands! :D I certainly
prefer GUIs that let the user decide if they want to use it primarily or
entirely with keyboard or mouse instead of trying to enforce one way or
requiring a combo of the two.
Somebody (David?) brought up GUIs that resize well to different display
sizes- now that certainly is a worthwhile, non-superficial feature of a
modern GUI.
On the subject of android phones, only a small
selection of them and
other
smartphones/tablets actually have keyboards.
Surely item #7 for having
keyboard accelerators for every function is a bit of a misnomer if you
are
talking about State of the Art? This is
definitely not a must have.
alexandre's second list concerned usability, and although its clear
that some platforms do not have or need good keyboard driven
approaches, people are not going to be mixing multitrack audio on
android phones for a while yet. the keyboard is still an incredibly,
incredibly efficient man/machine interface, when it exists.
i believe that it is/was the lack of such an approach that played an
important role in alex & chris deciding to start OOM, for example,
because they are both aware of the incredible speedup it provides for
professional (read "deeply familiar") users compared to point (with
mouse or finger(s) and click methods.
30 Jan
30 Jan
3:31 a.m.
New subject: State of the art GUI
allcoms wrote:
On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 2:38 PM, Paul Davis <paul(a)linuxaudiosystems.com
<mailto:paul@linuxaudiosystems.com>> wrote:
On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 4:41 AM, Nick Copeland
<nickycopeland(a)hotmail.com <mailto:nickycopeland@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Yup, that's me. My biggest complaint about Zyn/Yoshimi UI is I can't
resize its window or adjust the font sizes it uses.
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On the subject of android phones, only a small
selection of them
and other
smartphones/tablets actually have keyboards.
Surely item #7 for
having
keyboard accelerators for every function is a bit
of a misnomer
if you are
talking about State of the Art? This is
definitely not a must have.
alexandre's second list concerned usability, and although its clear
that some platforms do not have or need good keyboard driven
approaches, people are not going to be mixing multitrack audio on
android phones for a while yet. the keyboard is still an incredibly,
incredibly efficient man/machine interface, when it exists.
i believe that it is/was the lack of such an approach that played an
important role in alex & chris deciding to start OOM, for example,
because they are both aware of the incredible speedup it provides for
professional (read "deeply familiar") users compared to point (with
mouse or finger(s) and click methods.
+1
Touch interfaces, voice (and eventually mind) control - pah! You will
have to prise the keyboard and terminal from my cold, dead hands! :D I
certainly prefer GUIs that let the user decide if they want to use it
primarily or entirely with keyboard or mouse instead of trying to
enforce one way or requiring a combo of the two.
Somebody (David?) brought up GUIs that resize well to different display
sizes- now that certainly is a worthwhile, non-superficial feature of a
modern GUI. 
11:30 a.m.
New subject: State of the art GUI
On 1/29/11, Paul Davis wrote:
alexandre's second list concerned usability, and
although its clear
that some platforms do not have or need good keyboard driven
approaches, people are not going to be mixing multitrack audio on
android phones for a while yet.
Oh, but I wasn't referring to phones :) The kind of devices I was
referring to can be spotted here:
http://cs5.org/?p=232
Alexandre Prokoudine
http://libregraphicsworld.org
10:48 p.m.
New subject: State of the art GUI
On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 5:30 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine
<alexandre.prokoudine(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 1/29/11, Paul Davis wrote:
i've seen these devices around for a while. i can imagine mixing on
such a device, but i'm also unconvinced that its *necessarily* better
for such work than using a keyboard. i also have a lot of criticism of
the way multitouch surfaces have been used for music "composition" to
date, most of which don't apply to the idea of using them to control
software like the stuff currently used by most people. finally, i
think that doing visual art with multitouch is qualititatively
different from using multitouch in conjunction with our other senses.
alexandre's second list concerned usability,
and although its clear
that some platforms do not have or need good keyboard driven
approaches, people are not going to be mixing multitrack audio on
android phones for a while yet.
Oh, but I wasn't referring to phones :) The kind of devices I was
referring to can be spotted here:
http://cs5.org/?p=232
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