3 Apr
2021
3 Apr
'21
5:52 p.m.
This is a public service announcement, since I suspect that many here will
not be aware of this development.
David Hilowitz (0) recently "ported" (1) his new sample library playback
engine Decent Sampler to Linux. It is available as a Linux VST3 plugin and
as a standalone application (2) David's work was substantially inspired by
the work in the Pianobook community (3), where people build often-complex
sample libraries originally to "save" real pianos but increasingly covering
new territory (such as the Winter Voices project (4)).
I am a little disappointed that David chose to define a new sampler library
format rather than use SFZ, given the developments with sfizz over the last
several months. However, both DecentSampler and SFZ are text formats, and
there are gratis implementations for them both. In theory, DS -> SFZ
conversion could be automated, though the other way around may be more
problematic.
Yesterday I downloaded 36 Decent Sampler libraries from the Pianobook
website, and although they are not all quite as awesome as I had hoped for,
some of them are amazing and all of them make a valuable addition to the
sample library situation for Linux audio/music workflows. There are also
some gratis and some non-gratis libraries for Decent Sampler on the Decent
Sampler website.
It would be lovely if Decent Sampler was libre as well as gratis, and I
hope we see quality SFZ libraries either gratis or reasonably priced,
because that format offers some features missing from Decent Sampler. But
for now, I personally consider this a wonderful step forward for
Linux-based musicians.
(0) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCoAJ5JYKYTMubpTIsWi70w
(1) I put ported in quotes because I believe that DS is implemented using
JUCE, and so this mostly just involved changing the build flags :)
(2) https://www.decentsamples.com/product/decent-sampler-plugin/
(3) https://www.pianobook.co.uk/
(4) https://www.pianobook.co.uk/library/winter-voices/
5 Apr
5 Apr
3:10 a.m.
On Sat, 3 Apr 2021 09:51:53 -0600
Paul Davis <paul(a)linuxaudiosystems.com> wrote:
This is a public service announcement, since I suspect
that many here
will not be aware of this development.
David Hilowitz (0) recently "ported" (1) his new sample library
playback engine Decent Sampler to Linux. It is available as a Linux
VST3 plugin and as a standalone application (2) David's work was
substantially inspired by the work in the Pianobook community (3),
where people build often-complex sample libraries originally to
"save" real pianos but increasingly covering new territory (such as
the Winter Voices project (4)).
I am a little disappointed that David chose to define a new sampler
library format rather than use SFZ, given the developments with sfizz
over the last several months. However, both DecentSampler and SFZ are
text formats, and there are gratis implementations for them both. In
theory, DS -> SFZ conversion could be automated, though the other way
around may be more problematic.
Yesterday I downloaded 36 Decent Sampler libraries from the Pianobook
website, and although they are not all quite as awesome as I had
hoped for, some of them are amazing and all of them make a valuable
addition to the sample library situation for Linux audio/music
workflows. There are also some gratis and some non-gratis libraries
for Decent Sampler on the Decent Sampler website.
It would be lovely if Decent Sampler was libre as well as gratis, and
I hope we see quality SFZ libraries either gratis or reasonably
priced, because that format offers some features missing from Decent
Sampler. But for now, I personally consider this a wonderful step
forward for Linux-based musicians.
(0) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCoAJ5JYKYTMubpTIsWi70w
(1) I put ported in quotes because I believe that DS is implemented
using JUCE, and so this mostly just involved changing the build
flags :)
(2) https://www.decentsamples.com/product/decent-sampler-plugin/
(3) https://www.pianobook.co.uk/
(4) https://www.pianobook.co.uk/library/winter-voices/
Thanks for the PSA Paul!
Loving Decent Sampler. And Pianobook is a great find.
Definitely a bump for linux audio!
--
24 Apr
24 Apr
12:43 p.m.
I just tested it and it seems to be a very good sampler which I probably
will use. However, I'm not sure that it handles all the dimensions a
Hi-Hat needs. For the Hi-Hat, a good sample library has several velocity
layers in every openness degree (not only open and closed HH) which
needs to be handled.
This is also one thing that's missing in the SFZ format. For natural HH
sound, the sampler needs to be able to handle both velocity and at the
same time (or HH trigger or trigger drum pad) with ac CC control (such
as a modulation knob or HH controller for the openness).
So for now, I'm still using Linux sampler and the GIG format for this.
Thankfully, the Linux sampler folks are actively maintaining their
GIG-related libs and programs. I think I will have to upgrade myself on
this topic again. Thanks for making me aware of
Decent Sampler!
Jostein
On 2021-04-03 17:51, Paul Davis wrote:
This is a public service announcement, since I suspect
that many here
will not be aware of this development.
David Hilowitz (0) recently "ported" (1) his new sample library
playback engine Decent Sampler to Linux. It is available as a Linux
VST3 plugin and as a standalone application (2) David's work was
substantially inspired by the work in the Pianobook community (3),
where people build often-complex sample libraries originally to "save"
real pianos but increasingly covering new territory (such as the
Winter Voices project (4)).
I am a little disappointed that David chose to define a new sampler
library format rather than use SFZ, given the developments with sfizz
over the last several months. However, both DecentSampler and SFZ are
text formats, and there are gratis implementations for them both. In
theory, DS -> SFZ conversion could be automated, though the other way
around may be more problematic.
Yesterday I downloaded 36 Decent Sampler libraries from the Pianobook
website, and although they are not all quite as awesome as I had hoped
for, some of them are amazing and all of them make a valuable addition
to the sample library situation for Linux audio/music workflows. There
are also some gratis and some non-gratis libraries for Decent Sampler
on the Decent Sampler website.
It would be lovely if Decent Sampler was libre as well as gratis, and
I hope we see quality SFZ libraries either gratis or reasonably
priced, because that format offers some features missing from Decent
Sampler. But for now, I personally consider this a wonderful step
forward for Linux-based musicians.
(0) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCoAJ5JYKYTMubpTIsWi70w
(1) I put ported in quotes because I believe that DS is implemented
using JUCE, and so this mostly just involved changing the build flags
:)
(2) https://www.decentsamples.com/product/decent-sampler-plugin/
(3) https://www.pianobook.co.uk/
(4) https://www.pianobook.co.uk/library/winter-voices/
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Am 24.04.21 um 12:42 schrieb Jostein Chr. Andersen:
This is also one thing that's missing in the SFZ
format. For natural HH
sound, the sampler needs to be able to handle both velocity and at the
same time (or HH trigger or trigger drum pad) with ac CC control (such
as a modulation knob or HH controller for the openness).
I think you have the wrong perception of SFZ's capabilities here.
Samples (or sample groups) in SFZ libraries can be selected according to
note number (of course), note on velocity (lovel and hivel opcodes) and
based on a CC value (loccN and hiccN opcodes), and much more.
It has the 'group' and 'off_by' opcodes to implement choking. Though
some tricks might be required to implement realistic hit-hat splashes.
The tutorials on the site https://sfzformat.com/ go into great detail on
how to emulate realistic drum kit behaviour with SFZ, especially the
section on cymbal muting:
https://sfzformat.com/tutorials/cymbal_muting
Or is there something else you wanted to achieve with SFZ that you think
it couldn't do?
Chris
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