21 May
2006
21 May
'06
8:34 p.m.
Hi everyone
*gulp* Here goes...
Finally everyone is happy with this. It's a prog(ish) rock instrumental
called "Laetoli (a fragment of a track)".
Ogg-5 (6.47 MB)
http://www.spitfireq.f2s.com/music/Laetoli_%28a_fragment_of_a_track%29_ogg5…
Ogg-10 (18.6 MB)
http://www.spitfireq.f2s.com/music/Laetoli_%28a_fragment_of_a_track%29.ogg
Flac (35.4 MB)
http://www.spitfireq.f2s.com/music/Laetoli_%28a_fragment_of_a_track%29.flac
Two or three of the wavs were recorded under Windows, shortly before I
discovered DeMuDi. Everything else has been recorded, mixed etc under Linux.
It was, perhaps, not the easiest choice for the first piece to record –
it's been a steep learning curve, not only making the transition from
Windows to Linux but also learning music software and DAW recording from
scratch. It has been fun though and made easier by all the useful
information and help and advice on the lists and elsewhere. It might
have been finished sooner had the guitarist not bought a new axe partway
through and insisted on re-recording a load of parts ;-)
Hope you like it, feedback welcome.
Q
22 May
22 May
2:34 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] [Music] First track – prog rock instrumental
On Sun, 21 May 2006 22:34:40 +0100
Q <qb(a)f2s.com> wrote:
Hi,
It's OK, but for my own tastes, it revolves a bit too much around the
same. Though I almost heard some Mellotron in there a bit after the
electric guitar kicks in ;-) And of course, if there was a voice
somewhere in there that'd be great.
Cheers.
Al
4:25 p.m.
lanas wrote:
It's OK, but for my own tastes, it revolves a bit
too much around the
same. Though I almost heard some Mellotron in there a bit after the
electric guitar kicks in ;-) And of course, if there was a voice
somewhere in there that'd be great.
Cheers.
Al
Fair point, I suppose it is a bit monotonous – the same chord
progression all the way through. I think I read an interview with the
Floyd somewhere where they said they'd a bad habit of dragging one chord
progression out for as long as they could, so maybe I've been listening
to them too much and picked up their bad habits! I suppose I could drag
it out to ten minutes if I really tried ;-)
You definitely didn't hear Mellotron: if I could've squeezed it in
somewhere I would have done :D It's probably the Hammond.
Thanks for listening.
Q
4:44 p.m.
On 2006-05-22T18:25:39+0100, Q wrote:
I think I read an interview with the Floyd somewhere
where they said
they'd a bad habit of dragging one chord progression out for as long
as they could, so maybe I've been listening to them too much and
picked up their bad habits!
Sounded very much like Floyd to me (and nothing bad about that).
/Allan
5:23 p.m.
Allan Wind wrote:
On 2006-05-22T18:25:39+0100, Q wrote:
Thanks! Hopefully not _too_ much like Floyd though, I can't afford lawyers!
Q
I think I read an interview with the Floyd
somewhere where they said
they'd a bad habit of dragging one chord progression out for as long
as they could, so maybe I've been listening to them too much and
picked up their bad habits!
Sounded very much like Floyd to me (and nothing bad about that).
/Allan
10:17 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] [Music] First track – prog rock instrumental
On Mon, 22 May 2006 18:25:39 +0100
Q <qb(a)f2s.com> wrote:
Hi !
> It's OK, but for my own tastes, it revolves a
bit too much around
> the same. Though I almost heard some Mellotron in there a bit
> after the electric guitar kicks in ;-) And of course, if there was
> a voice somewhere in there that'd be great.
Fair point, I suppose it is a bit monotonous – the
same chord
progression all the way through. I think I read an interview with the
Floyd somewhere where they said they'd a bad habit of dragging one
chord progression out for as long as they could, so maybe I've been
listening to them too much and picked up their bad habits! I suppose
I could drag it out to ten minutes if I really tried ;-)
My impression is that this style (i.e. repeating the same and building
on it) is hard to get accross if there's not something quite
grasping getting the listener. Could be the mood, could be the music
hooks, the tension, etc... So I find it's a hard style to do. But
some do it. PF was one. Tangerine Dream were another. Or take
Ravel's 'Bolero'. I was listening to Asturias' 'Brillant Streams'
yesterday which is also in the same vein. But it's hard to get and
move the proper mood and getting and developing the tension all along
the way when things are basically repeating, I find. But that's also
just me. I'll try it when I'll get my setup made !
Cheers,
Al
2:47 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] [Music] First track – prog rock instrumental
Sounds great IMO. What stuff did you use -- software, hardware etc.
Jonty
On Sun, 2006-05-21 at 22:34, Q wrote:
Hi everyone
*gulp* Here goes...
Finally everyone is happy with this. It's a prog(ish) rock instrumental
called "Laetoli (a fragment of a track)".
Ogg-5 (6.47 MB)
http://www.spitfireq.f2s.com/music/Laetoli_%28a_fragment_of_a_track%29_ogg5…
Ogg-10 (18.6 MB)
http://www.spitfireq.f2s.com/music/Laetoli_%28a_fragment_of_a_track%29.ogg
Flac (35.4 MB)
http://www.spitfireq.f2s.com/music/Laetoli_%28a_fragment_of_a_track%29.flac
Two or three of the wavs were recorded under Windows, shortly before I
discovered DeMuDi. Everything else has been recorded, mixed etc under Linux.
It was, perhaps, not the easiest choice for the first piece to record –
it's been a steep learning curve, not only making the transition from
Windows to Linux but also learning music software and DAW recording from
scratch. It has been fun though and made easier by all the useful
information and help and advice on the lists and elsewhere. It might
have been finished sooner had the guitarist not bought a new axe partway
through and insisted on re-recording a load of parts ;-)
Hope you like it, feedback welcome.
Q
5:22 p.m.
Jonty Needham wrote:
Sounds great IMO. What stuff did you use -- software,
hardware etc.
Jonty
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it.
Software wise, it's recorded in Ardour. One or two wavs were recorded
under Windows: I think probably the ORGANized Trio VSTi (Hammond
emulator) was rendered to wav that way rather than recorded in Ardour,
mainly because I'd not then taken the plunge and moved to Linux. I used
shedloads of LADSPA plugins (which has caused me a lot of grief as I'm
suffering badly with denormal problems). It's mastered using a
combination of Ardour, Jamin and ReZound.
I think some of the earliest recorded live parts (bass and rhythm
guitar) were probably pre-amped through my old Yamaha MD4 four-track and
the guitar recorded with an AKG D3700 dynamic mic and quite possibly
using my onboard soundcard, eurgh!
The newest recorded live parts (all the lap steel bits) were done with
an SE Electronics SE2200A condensor through a Focusrite TwinTrak Pro,
into an Audiophile 24/96 and out through a pair of Wharfedale Diamond
8.2 Pro actives – I've spent a lot of cash in the past few months!
Bass is a cheap Tanglewood P-bass copy. Rhythm guitar is a Blueshawk and
the lap steel is my recently-acquired beautiful, bright green,
hand-built Bennett that's become known as the Marrow (another recent
purchase!). Oh and an Edirol PCR80 midi controller... I think I might
have GAS :D
Oops, sorry, information overload!
Q
5:46 p.m.
Very nice! Good work. What recording hardware did you use?
One mixing nitpick I might have is that the bass is perhaps a little
high at the beginning?
Cheers
Q wrote:
Hi everyone
*gulp* Here goes...
Finally everyone is happy with this. It's a prog(ish) rock instrumental
called "Laetoli (a fragment of a track)".
Ogg-5 (6.47 MB)
http://www.spitfireq.f2s.com/music/Laetoli_%28a_fragment_of_a_track%29_ogg5…
Ogg-10 (18.6 MB)
http://www.spitfireq.f2s.com/music/Laetoli_%28a_fragment_of_a_track%29.ogg
Flac (35.4 MB)
http://www.spitfireq.f2s.com/music/Laetoli_%28a_fragment_of_a_track%29.flac
Two or three of the wavs were recorded under Windows, shortly before I
discovered DeMuDi. Everything else has been recorded, mixed etc under
Linux.
It was, perhaps, not the easiest choice for the first piece to record –
it's been a steep learning curve, not only making the transition from
Windows to Linux but also learning music software and DAW recording from
scratch. It has been fun though and made easier by all the useful
information and help and advice on the lists and elsewhere. It might
have been finished sooner had the guitarist not bought a new axe partway
through and insisted on re-recording a load of parts ;-)
Hope you like it, feedback welcome.
Q
6:04 p.m.
Petter Sundlöf wrote:
Very nice! Good work. What recording hardware did you
use?
One mixing nitpick I might have is that the bass is perhaps a little
high at the beginning?
Cheers
Many thanks for your comments. I mentioned hardware in a follow-up to
Jonty Needham's post – our emails probably crossed in the ether.
I think you might have a point about the bass; it's pretty exposed to
start with and probably doesn't need to be quite that high. I need to
play around with some of the timing in the bass part anyway so I'll
probably bring the level down a little at the same time.
Thanks for listening.
Q
7:28 p.m.
On 5/21/06, Q <qb(a)f2s.com> wrote:
Hi everyone
*gulp* Here goes...
Finally everyone is happy with this. It's a prog(ish) rock instrumental
called "Laetoli (a fragment of a track)".
Hi Q,
Good start. I like parts of it. Others not so much. Clearly it's
worth working on further IMHO. It starts well and goes along nicely
for about the first minute. Reminded me just a tiny bit of maybe Glass
Hammer or someone like that.
I like the picked guitar in the background running through the
early parts of the song. However, where the guitar playing seems
focused on driving the rhythm of the early parts, after the lead comes
in then the guitar seems to lose focus and the playing drifts around a
bit. It may be partly the way the bit of delay on the guitar part is
mixing in. Not sure. I think I'd really try to develop all of that a
bit more as it's an interesting part.
I think like others I don't much care for the bass part too much
when it comes in. Melodically I don't think it does much of anything
to drive your themes forward. I like when the guitar comes in around
2:25. If I were working on the song I think I'd cut the early bass
part completely and have it come in with or slightly before the guitar
part. I'd keep it just operating as a bass and not as a lead at all,
at least until the guitar has come in and made some headway in
developing the themes.
Anyway, I hope you don't take my comments to strongly. They are not
meant to be anything more than observations. Keep going. I'll be
interested in hearing it again as you get it more focused and
together.
Good luck,
Mark
7:57 p.m.
Mark Knecht wrote:
Hi Q,
Good start. I like parts of it. Others not so much. Clearly it's
worth working on further IMHO. It starts well and goes along nicely
for about the first minute. Reminded me just a tiny bit of maybe Glass
Hammer or someone like that.
I like the picked guitar in the background running through the
early parts of the song. However, where the guitar playing seems
focused on driving the rhythm of the early parts, after the lead comes
in then the guitar seems to lose focus and the playing drifts around a
bit. It may be partly the way the bit of delay on the guitar part is
mixing in. Not sure. I think I'd really try to develop all of that a
bit more as it's an interesting part.
I think like others I don't much care for the bass part too much
when it comes in. Melodically I don't think it does much of anything
to drive your themes forward. I like when the guitar comes in around
2:25. If I were working on the song I think I'd cut the early bass
part completely and have it come in with or slightly before the guitar
part. I'd keep it just operating as a bass and not as a lead at all,
at least until the guitar has come in and made some headway in
developing the themes.
Anyway, I hope you don't take my comments to strongly. They are not
meant to be anything more than observations. Keep going. I'll be
interested in hearing it again as you get it more focused and
together.
Good luck,
Mark
Hi Mark
Thanks for listening and for commenting. I'll have to read your post
again in the morning – I'm too tired to get my head round it at the moment.
My initial reaction though is Eeek! – I'm a bit worried now because I
had considered it more or less finished and you suggest that it could do
with more development!
BTW, I've never heard of Glass Hammer before so I shall have to look
them up.
Cheers
Q
PS My spell-checker thinks your name should be Anechoic rather than
Knecht :-)
10:35 p.m.
On 5/22/06, Q <qb(a)f2s.com> wrote:
Hi Mark
Thanks for listening and for commenting. I'll have to read your post
again in the morning – I'm too tired to get my head round it at the moment.
My initial reaction though is Eeek! – I'm a bit worried now because I
had considered it more or less finished and you suggest that it could do
with more development!
Like I said, please don't over react to what I'm saying. Had you not
specifically suggested 'prog rock' in your initial post I probaby
wouldn't have said anything. However my normal playlist in Aqualung is
over 50 hours of prog rock. It's pretty much all I listen to. From
that standpoint, while I may or may not be qualified musically, at
least I feel in touch with the genre.
BTW, I've never heard of Glass Hammer before so I shall have to look
them up.
Interesting band. You might like them. I do. I buy my CD's directly
from the band actually. Check out their website for more info:
http://www.glasshammer.com/
Cheers,
Mark
23 May
23 May
8:06 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] [Music] First track prog rock instrumental
Quoting Mark Knecht <markknecht(a)gmail.com>om>:
Clearly it's worth working on further IMHO.
I'll be interested in hearing it again as you get it more focused and together.
Something has just struck me: the parenthetical "a fragment of a track" in the
title isn't intended to refer to the piece of music (other than a tenuous
allusion to the fact the music fades in rather than having a definite start, as
if it were perhaps part of something bigger). That is, it isn't supposed to
suggest "work in progress" or "unfinished", but refers to the Laetoli
footprints themselves. Mmm, perhaps it's a little confusing.
That said, I am beginning to think that it is indeed in need of further
development.
Must go, I'm supposed to be working!
Q
26 May
26 May
6:55 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [a-users] [Music] First track – prog rock instrumental
On Sun, 21 May 2006 22:34:40 +0100
Q <qb(a)f2s.com> wrote:
Hi everyone
*gulp* Here goes...
Finally everyone is happy with this. It's a prog(ish) rock instrumental
called "Laetoli (a fragment of a track)".
Ogg-5 (6.47 MB)
http://www.spitfireq.f2s.com/music/Laetoli_%28a_fragment_of_a_track%29_ogg5…
Ogg-10 (18.6 MB)
http://www.spitfireq.f2s.com/music/Laetoli_%28a_fragment_of_a_track%29.ogg
Flac (35.4 MB)
http://www.spitfireq.f2s.com/music/Laetoli_%28a_fragment_of_a_track%29.flac
Two or three of the wavs were recorded under Windows, shortly before I
discovered DeMuDi. Everything else has been recorded, mixed etc under Linux.
It was, perhaps, not the easiest choice for the first piece to record –
it's been a steep learning curve, not only making the transition from
Windows to Linux but also learning music software and DAW recording from
scratch. It has been fun though and made easier by all the useful
information and help and advice on the lists and elsewhere. It might
have been finished sooner had the guitarist not bought a new axe partway
through and insisted on re-recording a load of parts ;-)
Hope you like it, feedback welcome.
Q
I like this but would agree with others that the bass is too prominent.
It sounds very reminiscent of Pink Floyd's Meddle album :)
--
F
27 May
27 May
5:14 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [a-users] [Music] First track – prog rock instrumental
Q <qb(a)f2s.com> wrote:
Finally everyone is happy with this. It's a
prog(ish) rock instrumental
called "Laetoli (a fragment of a track)".
I found myself wondering "when is this track going to start", but then
maybe that's what you were aiming for. I found the pairing of the kick
and the bass in the intro a bit awkward, which I think contributes to
the feeling of the bass being too loud.
To me, the ride cymbal feels too busy for the rest of the song.
Good guitar and keyboard sounds. The guitar line has the potential to be
catchy - I can still hear bits of it in my head.
bye
John
29 May
29 May
8:37 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] [Music] First track – prog rock instrumental
On Sunday 21 May 2006 22:34, Q was like:
Hi everyone
*gulp* Here goes...
Finally everyone is happy with this. It's a prog(ish) rock instrumental
called "Laetoli (a fragment of a track)".
Ogg-5 (6.47 MB)
http://www.spitfireq.f2s.com/music/Laetoli_%28a_fragment_of_a_track%29_ogg5
.ogg
Ogg-10 (18.6 MB)
http://www.spitfireq.f2s.com/music/Laetoli_%28a_fragment_of_a_track%29.ogg
Flac (35.4 MB)
http://www.spitfireq.f2s.com/music/Laetoli_%28a_fragment_of_a_track%29.flac
Two or three of the wavs were recorded under Windows, shortly before I
discovered DeMuDi. Everything else has been recorded, mixed etc under
Linux.
It was, perhaps, not the easiest choice for the first piece to record –
it's been a steep learning curve, not only making the transition from
Windows to Linux but also learning music software and DAW recording from
scratch. It has been fun though and made easier by all the useful
information and help and advice on the lists and elsewhere. It might
have been finished sooner had the guitarist not bought a new axe partway
through and insisted on re-recording a load of parts ;-)
Hope you like it, feedback welcome.
I finally got round to listening to this.
Very nice. I agree that the Bass is the weakness in this track, but my
reasoning is different. Personally I would like to hear a much more driving
bass and I think it needs a few 'rushes' to build it, possibly in the drum
parts, but there are other ways of doing this. If you feel the piece is
finished, I would leave it there and simply bear in mind these comments for
future pieces. I'm not a great fan of over-production.
--
cheers,
tim hall
http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim
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