25 Sep
2006
25 Sep
'06
1:27 p.m.
Hello. What would be an economical and Linux-friendly portable
music player?
Best would be if the player would be seen as a USB disk.
That is: mount /mnt/player ; cp songs/* /mnt/player/ ; umount /mnt/player
Such a player would work in Linux naturally. Also, in Windows, that way
I could download music from the web without installing a downloading
software/driver. And yes, I cannot install anything because I don't own
the Windows computers here.
Does, e.g., Creative, Philips, ipod players require a downloading
software to be installed, and therefore they work only in personal
Windows? I have heard that one may copy songs to their players via
USB disk but the players refuses to play the songs!
What about ogg format? All players sold by local shops seem to support
only mp3 and wma.
Juhana
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25 Sep
25 Sep
1:36 p.m.
What about ogg format? All players sold by local shops
seem to
support only mp3 and wma.
I'm very pleased with my TrekStore iBeat organix. The one with the FM
option even receives broadcasts. The device is USB 2.0 mass storage and
plays ogg. It sounds great with the bundled Sennheiser phones, even on
broadcasts and Jazz. The built in battery gets charged via USB and
lasts up to 15 hours.
Disadvantages: Recording is done to mp3 instead off ogg and it's not an
el cheapo device.
ce
2:22 p.m.
the iriver h120. it's out of production but you can find it very easily
on ebay. new, at half the original price (which, maybe, is still too
much...). also good for recording.
m
Juhana Sadeharju schreef:
Hello. What would be an economical and Linux-friendly
portable
music player?
Best would be if the player would be seen as a USB disk.
That is: mount /mnt/player ; cp songs/* /mnt/player/ ; umount /mnt/player
Such a player would work in Linux naturally. Also, in Windows, that way
I could download music from the web without installing a downloading
software/driver. And yes, I cannot install anything because I don't own
the Windows computers here.
Does, e.g., Creative, Philips, ipod players require a downloading
software to be installed, and therefore they work only in personal
Windows? I have heard that one may copy songs to their players via
USB disk but the players refuses to play the songs!
What about ogg format? All players sold by local shops seem to support
only mp3 and wma.
Juhana
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4:16 p.m.
On Mon, Sep 25, 2006 at 08:22:24PM +0200, mik wrote:
the iriver h120. it's out of production but you
can find it very easily
on ebay. new, at half the original price (which, maybe, is still too
much...). also good for recording.
I've been happy with mine, except that the user interface is really
really horrible. Not graphically; I mean that every control is
overloaded with multiple meanings depending on context and after two
years I *still* find some simple operations hard to perform. My wife
occasionally borrows it, and I'm always afraid she's going to
throw it out the window in a fit of frustration.
I keep meaning to try loading it with Rockbox which AFAICT
now supports recording:
http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverRecording
but AFAICT there is not yet a declared stable release for the iriver?
Other than the crappy UI, it's great. Sound is very good; linux sees it
as standard USB storage device with a VFAT filesystem; it plays Ogg; the
built-in FM radio is occasionally handy; it's built pretty solidly; and
mine has crashed maybe once in the two years I've had it. (Powered it
off, no problem after that.)
The iripdb program ( http://www.fataltourist.com/iripdb/ ) is useful for
creating the tag database so you can browse by artist, title, etc.
If I was shopping again today, I don't know what I'd buy. AFAICT,
iriver has no replacement model with the same features :-( I *need* the
external mic input, and I now have so many OGGs that it'd be annoying to
switch to anything that doesn't play them.
--
Paul Winkler
http://www.slinkp.com
4:28 p.m.
On Mon, 2006-09-25 at 16:16 -0400, Paul Winkler wrote:
If I was shopping again today, I don't know what
I'd buy. AFAICT,
iriver has no replacement model with the same features :-( I *need* the
external mic input, and I now have so many OGGs that it'd be annoying to
switch to anything that doesn't play them.
iaudio ... they do almost everything right. nitpicks: record to MP3
format when WAV or OGG should be an option. we have an X5 and a smaller
2GB flash player.
5:23 p.m.
On Mon, 2006-09-25 at 16:22 -0400, Paul Davis wrote:
On Mon, 2006-09-25 at 16:16 -0400, Paul Winkler
wrote:
I second the iaudio (also known as jetaudio). My iaudio U2 just
accidentally went through the wash and worked like a champ afterword
(other than needing a battery charge). Firmware upgrades are free, but
have to be done from windows, unless someone has figured out a way to do
it from linux.
If I was shopping again today, I don't know
what I'd buy. AFAICT,
iriver has no replacement model with the same features :-( I *need* the
external mic input, and I now have so many OGGs that it'd be annoying to
switch to anything that doesn't play them.
iaudio ... they do almost everything right. nitpicks: record to MP3
format when WAV or OGG should be an option. we have an X5 and a smaller
2GB flash player.
8:16 p.m.
On Mon, Sep 25, 2006 at 04:26:07PM -0500, Peter Finnegan wrote:
On Mon, 2006-09-25 at 16:22 -0400, Paul Davis wrote:
It looks pretty nice! Except for only supporting line-level external
sources AFAICT. The iriver with my AT Pro 24 battery-powered mic is the
best rehearsal / jam recorder I've had. I'd rather not have to hassle
with any more external gear for my needs.
for example... not the best mp3 encoding but still good for a
point-the-mic-at-the-band-and-forget-it solution that weighs about a
pound total. I have better recordings from later rehearsals but haven't
uploaded them anywhere...
http://www.slinkp.com/~paul/wrp/rehearsals/2006_05_22_1/16_tailspin.mp3
--
Paul Winkler
http://www.slinkp.com
On Mon, 2006-09-25 at 16:16 -0400, Paul Winkler
wrote:
I second the iaudio (also known as jetaudio). My iaudio U2 just
accidentally went through the wash and worked like a champ afterword
(other than needing a battery charge). Firmware upgrades are free, but
have to be done from windows, unless someone has figured out a way to do
it from linux. If I was shopping again today, I don't know
what I'd buy. AFAICT,
iriver has no replacement model with the same features :-( I *need* the
external mic input, and I now have so many OGGs that it'd be annoying to
switch to anything that doesn't play them.
iaudio ... they do almost everything right. nitpicks: record to MP3
format when WAV or OGG should be an option. we have an X5 and a smaller
2GB flash player.
5:34 p.m.
On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 20:22:24 +0200
mik <mprims(a)skynet.be> wrote:
the iriver h120. it's out of production but you
can find it very easily
on ebay. new, at half the original price (which, maybe, is still too
much...). also good for recording.
m
I've got the h320 which works very well too - don't know about
availability these days though.
--
Will J G
26 Sep
26 Sep
1:24 a.m.
On 9/25/06, mik <mprims(a)skynet.be> wrote:
the iriver h120. it's out of production but you
can find it very easily
on ebay. new, at half the original price (which, maybe, is still too
much...). also good for recording.
m
I can also fully recommend the iRiver players (I have an H120,
formally called the iHP-120). It has an optical in and out, line level
in and out, mic-level in, and headphone out. It mounts just like a
hard drive, and in fact sometimes I use it as a backup device or just
to carry large files around. The headphones that come with it are
truly awful, but most are. The little remote is pretty handy, but most
headphone plugs don't fit in it without a little adaptor which is
included with the device, but is easy to lose.
The UI is pretty bad, for sure. I've been thinking for a while about
switching to Rockbox, which hopefully should fix that problem.
-spencer
25 Sep
25 Sep
2:39 p.m.
Hello:
Players from MPIO seem to be Linux-friendly. Some, like my FY 600 and the
HD 400 also support Ogg format. Both of these models appear as USB drives
when connected to your computer.
cheers,
ernst
On 9/25/06, Juhana Sadeharju <kouhia(a)nic.funet.fi> wrote:
Hello. What would be an economical and Linux-friendly portable
music player?
Best would be if the player would be seen as a USB disk.
That is: mount /mnt/player ; cp songs/* /mnt/player/ ; umount /mnt/player
Such a player would work in Linux naturally. Also, in Windows, that way
I could download music from the web without installing a downloading
software/driver. And yes, I cannot install anything because I don't own
the Windows computers here.
Does, e.g., Creative, Philips, ipod players require a downloading
software to be installed, and therefore they work only in personal
Windows? I have heard that one may copy songs to their players via
USB disk but the players refuses to play the songs!
What about ogg format? All players sold by local shops seem to support
only mp3 and wma.
Juhana
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26 Sep
26 Sep
5:39 p.m.
On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 20:27:26 +0300
Juhana Sadeharju <kouhia(a)nic.funet.fi> wrote:
Hello. What would be an economical and Linux-friendly
portable
music player?
Depends what 'economical' means. I recently bought a iRiver T30 1 GB
for some $110 USD. It can play ogg files. Works with Linux, using
gphoto (libgphoto2). Copy voice files from it (has a recorder built-in,
nice feature to make your boss remember things he said) and put ogg (and
mp3) files in it. Sound is nice.
With Linux I use gphoto (libgphoto2) as root to access files. Could be
simpler I guess, but I'm lazy, so I copy/paste commands. One of these
days I'll make a userland Perl interface.
Cheers,
Al
11:50 p.m.
On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 20:27:26 +0300
Juhana Sadeharju <kouhia(a)nic.funet.fi> wrote:
I bought a Cowon iAudio U3(1Gb model, there's a 2Gb). It just has a FAT
file system, so you can use it as memory stick. It can play videos back,
but I haven't gotten it to accept something from ffmpeg(at least from
OSX's ffmpegX and ffmpeg in ubuntu, I still have yet to try the compiled
version in Gentoo). Audio support is good, mp3, wma, wav, flac, ogg. It
has voice recording also, along with a line-in jack. Audio playback is
also good.
Good Luck
-Chris
Hello. What would be an economical and
Linux-friendly portable
music player?
3:51 a.m.
Leonardo Palomares wrote:
On 9/26/2006 8:50 PM, Chris Abbott wrote:
I've an older iAudio G3, but I've found record quality to be excellent
(if you choose wav format).
The mp3 compression has some unpleasant artifacts, but I may not be
using the latest firmware.
I use it for quick recordings when the computer is off - just hook the
line-in via the patchbay.
R
It has voice recording also, along with a line-in
jack. Audio playback
is also good.
Can you tell how good (quality) is the record on line in ?
7:56 p.m.
Leonardo Palomares wrote:
On 9/26/2006 8:50 PM, Chris Abbott wrote:
Not yet, haven't tried it. Although, when it records with line-in, it
uses wma, definitely not the best for recording.
It has voice recording also, along with a line-in
jack. Audio
playback is also good.
Can you tell how good (quality) is the record on line in ?
Thanks
Leo
5:59 a.m.
On Wednesday 27 September 2006 07:40, lanas wrote:
Depends what 'economical' means. I recently
bought a iRiver T30 1 GB
for some $110 USD. It can play ogg files. Works with Linux, using
gphoto (libgphoto2). Copy voice files from it (has a recorder built-in,
nice feature to make your boss remember things he said) and put ogg (and
mp3) files in it. Sound is nice.
With Linux I use gphoto (libgphoto2) as root to access files. Could be
simpler I guess, but I'm lazy, so I copy/paste commands. One of these
days I'll make a userland Perl interface.
Just curious, why do you need to mess with libgphoto2 in order to access your
T30? I have a 1Gb T20 and it presents as a USB mas-storage device. On my
system:
mount -t vfat /dev/sdc /mnt/{mountpoint}
and it's accessible just like an ordinary disk partition (yes, /dev/sdc is
correct for me btw - it's not a typo, it requires no partition number). I
would have expected a T30 to work the same way...
cheers,
- brendon.
7:18 a.m.
Le Mercredi 27 Septembre 2006 05:55, Brendon Oliver a écrit :
Just curious, why do you need to mess with libgphoto2
in order to access
your T30? I have a 1Gb T20 and it presents as a USB mas-storage device.
It's still in MTP mode. The iRiver software to convert the T30 to UMS:
http://www.iriver.com/html/support/faq/sufq_view.asp?idx=387
runs under Windows and I did not got yet to boot Windows for that unique
purpose.
It now runs with gphoto (who added this support recently) and it's OK for me
for the time being. I use the device mostly to record short improv snippets
I play on the guitar in the living room. It's great for that. Sometimes
nice stuff to build on is done when 'you're not there' so to speak. Like
when picking up the accoustic guitar for a few minutes when waiting for
something. These improv riffs, at least for me, are too often way too easily
forgotten. So I record them on the iRiver and get back to them, eventually,
later.
Cheers.
Al
10 Oct
10 Oct
5:23 p.m.
On Tue, Sep 26, 2006 at 05:40:01PM -0400, lanas wrote:
On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 20:27:26 +0300
Juhana Sadeharju <kouhia(a)nic.funet.fi> wrote:
I recently bought a T30 1GB, with the intention of connecting it to
linux, partly in response to this thread, but am near to returning it.
My attempts to update the firmware as illustrated though a link elsewhere
in this thread resulted in v1.71 of the firmware being installed (not
v1.70 as illustrated on the linked page), and the option to switch to UMS
mode from MTP mode did not appear in this process.
So, I'm curious how your use of gphoto2 manages to access the T30. From
my reading of the gphoto2 docs, it is about USB-linked cameras pretty much
exclusively; so am I missing something? Were you able to access your T30
in MTP mode? If so, please explain how.
Thanks,
/ken
Hello. What would be an economical and
Linux-friendly portable
music player?
Depends what 'economical' means. I recently bought a iRiver T30 1 GB
for some $110 USD. It can play ogg files. Works with Linux, using
gphoto (libgphoto2). Copy voice files from it (has a recorder built-in,
nice feature to make your boss remember things he said) and put ogg (and
mp3) files in it. Sound is nice.
With Linux I use gphoto (libgphoto2) as root to access files. Could be
simpler I guess, but I'm lazy, so I copy/paste commands. One of these
days I'll make a userland Perl interface.
Cheers,
Al
7:43 p.m.
On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 14:23:06 -0700
ken dawson chia wu <dawsonwu(a)rahul.net> wrote:
My attempts to update the firmware as illustrated
though a link
elsewhere in this thread resulted in v1.71 of the firmware being
installed (not v1.70 as illustrated on the linked page), and the
option to switch to UMS mode from MTP mode did not appear in this
process.
Well, as I've replied on this thread, I did not try this yet, as MTP
mode is OK for me now. Creating directories and such on the device
would be nice, but I can do without since I do not use it that much.
Maybe one day.
So, I'm curious how your use of gphoto2 manages to
access the T30.
From my reading of the gphoto2 docs, it is about USB-linked cameras
pretty much exclusively; so am I missing something? Were you able to
access your T30 in MTP mode? If so, please explain how.
From what I've read the guys at gphoto have to deal with MTP as part of
many digital cameras. So the by-product of this is having a MTP access
for the T30. I'll describe now how I do it. It may look quite geeky,
but it's really not that complicated, especially if you keep the
commands in a file and cut & paste them when needed. One of these days
if I ever have the time and the inclination, I'll do a simple lib
interface and GUI, just for programming fun.
For all the commands below to work, you'll have to do them as root.
So here goes. I use Fedora 5, CCRMA. Plug the device using the
provided USB cable. Put the device in music play mode, but with no song
playing. A USB icon should then take the whole display space.
First see if the device is seen by the system (and also get the ID of
the device):
# lsusb
You should see some hexa stuff like "0x4102:0x1119". You'll use that
to address your device at all times and worst, you have to tell gphoto
that it has to behave like device "0x054c:0x004e". Who knows what
device "0x054c:0x004e" truly is ? I surely don't. But for gphoto it's
important. Remeber, keep these lines in a file at cut & paste them.
The ID of your device will never change.
So let's say that 'lsusb' gave you an ID of "0x4102:0x1119" (which
is
actually the ID for my T30). Now, if you want to list the files on the
T30, you'd do:
# gphoto2 --usbid "0x4102:0x1119=0x054c:0x004e" -L
To list the folders you'd do:
# gphoto2 --usbid "0x4102:0x1119=0x054c:0x004e" -l
Based on the file list above, to retrieve a voice file you've recorded
on the T30 you'd do, for example:
# gphoto2 --usbid "0x4102:0x1119=0x054c:0x004e" -f /store_00010001/VOICE -p
VOICE0807_000.MP3
(the above all in one line)
To upload a file to the T30 you'd do:
# gphoto2 --usbid "0x4102:0x1119=0x054c:0x004e" -f /store_00010001/Music/iRiver/
-u Unrockbar.ogg
(also all on one line - sorry if there's any line wrap)
So that's what I'm doing so far. Could very well be that gphoto does
more, but I didn't checked it out. The 'problem' with root access
could certainly be easily solved, but I'm lazy.
Finally, if you got a bunch of files in a directory that you want to
upload, do something like:
#!/bin/bash
for file in $(ls)
do
echo "Now uploading $file ..."
gphoto2 --usbid "0x4102:0x1119=0x054c:0x004e" -f /store_00010001/Music/iRiver/
-u $file done
The interface is easily scriptable.
Hope this helps. Don't hesitate if you have questions.
Cheers,
Al
13 Oct
13 Oct
6:38 p.m.
On Tue, Oct 10, 2006 at 07:47:05PM -0400, lanas wrote:
On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 14:23:06 -0700
ken dawson chia wu <dawsonwu(a)rahul.net> wrote:
... SNIP of description of gphoto2 usage details ...
The interface is easily scriptable.
Hope this helps. Don't hesitate if you have questions.
Cheers,
Al
It did indeed help, and I am fabricating a script for myself as we
speak. Two things, though:
1. I find that whenever i do an upload to the T30, I get a bunch of
complaints which look like an error is occurring, like the end of
the file is being lost. The resulting tracks seem to be ok,
though. Have you experienced data loss using these commands?
2. Is there some sort of command which would ensure that the device
can be properly disconnected, similar to a umount command fo file
systems? I feel a bit nervous just yanking the cable out.
Thanks a lot for your help.
/ken
PS: I was able to use gphoto2 to remove existing files and directories,
and to create subdirectories via the --rmdir, -d, and --mkdir options.
Using them is quite clunky, but once you get it, a script could make it a
lot more natural to do.
10 Oct
10 Oct
7:51 p.m.
Juhana Sadeharju wrote:
Hello. What would be an economical and Linux-friendly
portable
music player?
Best would be if the player would be seen as a USB disk.
That is: mount /mnt/player ; cp songs/* /mnt/player/ ; umount /mnt/player
Such a player would work in Linux naturally. Also, in Windows, that way
I could download music from the web without installing a downloading
software/driver. And yes, I cannot install anything because I don't own
the Windows computers here.
Does, e.g., Creative, Philips, ipod players require a downloading
software to be installed, and therefore they work only in personal
Windows? I have heard that one may copy songs to their players via
USB disk but the players refuses to play the songs!
What about ogg format? All players sold by local shops seem to support
only mp3 and wma.
Juhana
Anyone try the iAudio X5? If so, how do you like it?
--
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personal: www.bradfuller.com
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11 Oct
11 Oct
4:35 a.m.
On 10/11/06, Brad Fuller <brad(a)sonaural.com> wrote:
Juhana Sadeharju wrote:
> Hello. What would be an economical and Linux-friendly portable
> music player?
IMHO:
I may sound too mainstreamish and pro-drm (but I am not), but i will
suggest ..... ipod.
I do not know, may be it is so popular in your country, that it is a
nasty taste already.
But for me it has perfect design, very usable interface and greatly
works with linux.
It is seen as usb-disk, but you have to use gtkpod to upload songs, as
it uses database to navigate through music. It may sound as a
deficiency, but is a plus actually - you can select songs by a variety
of rules.
As for DRM-issue, AFAIK, Apple created ITMS for a sole reason of
convincing music industry, that mp3 players are ok. I think they make
much more money on players, than on songs.
Yes, it can't record - but it's a Player and it plays good.
Yes, it has no ogg support - it supports AAC which is standard and
free (or I am wrong?)
I'm not praising Apple, but I think that as a Player-only device ipod
is nearly perfect (missing ogg and flac).
Regards,
Dmitry.
P.S. I do not own ipod :) My girlfriend has one.
10 a.m.
Another recommendation for the X5. I use the remote control accessory,
which has quite customizable controls (I switch shuffle on and off a
lot). An added benefit of the X5 is that it has RockBox, an alternative
free software firmware that supports more audio formats as well as
recording to WAV (not just MP3).
Paul Davis wrote:
Anyone try the
iAudio X5? If so, how do you like it?
its almost perfect. the joystick thingy feels a little more fragile than
i would like, but from a functional perspective, it cannot be beaten.
10:02 a.m.
Paul Davis wrote:
Thanks Paul.
From what I've read (reviews) the interface is klunkly.
But, I couldn't find a recent review -- they were all over a year old.
They must've fixed the UI flaws.
brad
Anyone try the
iAudio X5? If so, how do you like it?
its almost perfect. the joystick thingy feels a little more fragile than
i would like, but from a functional perspective, it cannot be beaten.
10:10 a.m.
On Wed, 2006-10-11 at 07:02 -0700, Brad Fuller wrote:
Paul Davis wrote:
Thanks Paul.
From what I've read (reviews) the interface is klunkly.
But, I couldn't find a recent review -- they were all over a year old.
They must've fixed the UI flaws.
don't assume that. as anyone who has used ardour knows, i am very
tolerant of clunky interfaces.
Anyone
try the iAudio X5? If so, how do you like it?
its almost perfect. the joystick thingy feels a little more fragile than
i would like, but from a functional perspective, it cannot be beaten.
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