On Thu, Jun 12, 2003 at 08:33:43PM +0400, Guy Daniel CLOTILDE wrote: Yes, that's what I do! (vim, actually, and it does have syntax highlighting for ABC) I just wondered whether a graphical input program would be any easier to use. As I can type ABC pretty fast I doubt it. I can get gv to dislay updated output from the file I'm working on in a few quick keystrokes and contunue editing... I'm considering using abcm2ps to make a book of songs with tunes, words etc. and have it do all the layout. -- Anahata anahata(a)treewind.co.uk -+- http://www.treewind.co.uk Home: 01638 720444 Mob: 07976 263827

On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 12:02:29PM +0400, Guy Clotilde wrote: The inventor of ABC is a folk musician, so that may be an influence. That's what I do too, so it's ideal for me. I have used it, but I can read music well enough to know if it's right just by looking at it unless it's a complex score with jazzy harmonies! I see ABC more as a tool for producing printed output, not for playing via MIDI. One time I used abcmidi on a tune that happened to be in 3/4 and it added a completely inapropriate Oom-pa-pa waltz accompaniment (it was supposed to be a lyrical song). After that I didn't bother with it much :-) -- Anahata anahata(a)treewind.co.uk -+- http://www.treewind.co.uk Home: 01638 720444 Mob: 07976 263827

On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, Guy Clotilde wrote: With NoteEdit you can choose: - input with mouse (wrong pitch can be corrected with cursor up/down key) - input with keyboard (cursor keys) - input from external keyboard: + only determine the note pitch with external keyboard + record from keyboard And you can play the score whereby the played notes are coloured red. So you can easy find errors. Ok, you could export ABC to MIDI. But how to get the text reference? As an example at: http://rnvs.informatik.tu-chemnitz.de/abctest/abctest.html you find Morzart's Divertimento in D, K.136 3rd mov. Presto. with 200 measures and 10 staves. Find the error! Yes, I searched long time for 13 examples which are free and are not all classic. -- J.Anders, Chemnitz, GERMANY (ja(a)informatik.tu-chemnitz.de)

On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, Guy Clotilde wrote: I think "versus" is no good term here: "In combination with..." -- J.Anders, Chemnitz, GERMANY (ja(a)informatik.tu-chemnitz.de)

anahata> I just wondered whether a graphical input program would anahata> be any easier to use. As I can type ABC pretty fast I anahata> doubt it. I can get gv to dislay updated output from the anahata> file I'm working on in a few quick keystrokes and anahata> contunue editing... That's what I do, too (only I use abc2ly and ly2dvi instead of abcm2ps, because abcm2ps doesn't do well with unbarred music), but I still investigate GUIs on the grounds that typing lyrics with a lot of melismas is still a pain. anahata> I'm considering using abcm2ps to make a book of songs anahata> with tunes, words etc. and have it do all the layout. I did that in a very ancient ABC environment (circa 1998 or so) and have since converted to using lilypond-book. If you don't have tunes that take more than one page, or if current abcm2ps will give you enough control over page breaks, it might be doable. Another thing to consider is whether it lets you insert graphics -- you might not want to do a whole book without any (non-music) graphics at all. -- Laura (mailto:lconrad@laymusic.org , http://www.laymusic.org/ ) (617) 661-8097 fax: (801) 365-6574 233 Broadway, Cambridge, MA 02139