22 Sep
2006
22 Sep
'06
4:25 p.m.
Gaaah! I haven't had to install a new linux in ages, and now am faced with doing
so. Is it just me, or is the state of linux pro audio on the major distros a
total mess right now? Fedora core 5 seems to require MUCH tweaking to get any
audio working and has a lot of alsa weirdness preventing serious work,
Ubuntu just plain doesn't work with numerous cards ( including mine! ) and
gentoo took a giant step backwards by rushing a broken and not ready 2006.1
installer out the door negating all the advantages they used to have.
Am I the only one who feels like getting pro audio working these days is
*harder* than two years ago??? It seems to me that in the race to make a distro
that has everything working out of the box, we now have a bunch of things that
are really screwed up for those of us with unusual needs, and now they are much
harder to untangle. =(
Any recos for a distro that must:
- be decent for development
- allow easy integration of from source apps with the distro
- be realtively straightforward for audio kernel recompiles
Thanks
Iain
22 Sep
22 Sep
4:32 p.m.
On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 11:25:00 -0700
iainduncan(a)telus.net wrote:
Gaaah! I haven't had to install a new linux in
ages, and now am faced with doing
so. Is it just me, or is the state of linux pro audio on the major distros a
total mess right now? Fedora core 5 seems to require MUCH tweaking to get any
audio working and has a lot of alsa weirdness preventing serious work,
Ubuntu just plain doesn't work with numerous cards ( including mine! ) and
gentoo took a giant step backwards by rushing a broken and not ready 2006.1
installer out the door negating all the advantages they used to have.
Am I the only one who feels like getting pro audio working these days is
*harder* than two years ago??? It seems to me that in the race to make a distro
that has everything working out of the box, we now have a bunch of things that
are really screwed up for those of us with unusual needs, and now they are much
harder to untangle. =(
Any recos for a distro that must:
- be decent for development
- allow easy integration of from source apps with the distro
- be realtively straightforward for audio kernel recompiles
Thanks
Iain
So far, the best results I've had are from Debian based 64studio (32 bit
version).
Does all the audio stuff very well, and with not too much tweaking I
seem to be able to get most office type stuff organised.
Strangely enough, although in the UK I find the German 'testing'
repositories seem more complete.
--
Will J G
23 Sep
23 Sep
7:30 a.m.
I have to test the 32 bit version!! definitly!
j
So far, the best results I've had are from Debian
based 64studio (32 bit
version).
Does all the audio stuff very well, and with not too much tweaking I
seem to be able to get most office type stuff organised.
Strangely enough, although in the UK I find the German 'testing'
repositories seem more complete.
2:45 p.m.
joke wrote:
I have to test the 32 bit version!! definitly!
j
I've been happily using 64Studio (64 bit) on my amd64 system. I
haven't
tried it on my laptop (32 bit) yet.
Bill
So far, the best results I've had are from
Debian based 64studio (32 bit
version).
Does all the audio stuff very well, and with not too much tweaking I
seem to be able to get most office type stuff organised.
Strangely enough, although in the UK I find the German 'testing'
repositories seem more complete.
22 Sep
22 Sep
4:32 p.m.
On Fri Sep 22, 2006 at 11:25:00AM -0700, iainduncan(a)telus.net wrote:
Gaaah! I haven't had to install a new linux in
ages, and now am faced with doing
so. Is it just me, or is the state of linux pro audio on the major distros a
total mess right now? Fedora core 5 seems to require MUCH tweaking to get any
audio working and has a lot of alsa weirdness preventing serious work,
Ubuntu just plain doesn't work with numerous cards ( including mine! ) and
gentoo took a giant step backwards by rushing a broken and not ready 2006.1
installer out the door negating all the advantages they used to have.
Am I the only one who feels like getting pro audio working these days is
*harder* than two years ago???
i think its easier than ever. on windows it was alwasy a constant dance of deleting
registry entries from old versions of plugins, dealing with the annoyance of clogging up
USB ports with dongles or trackign down slightly ness annoying cracks just so you could
use software you paid for without broken challenge/response schemes that required internet
connections and said dongle ports..
have you tried the proaudio overlay? just about every audio app ever written for linux is
an emerge away. it couldnt get much easier..
just emerge layman && layman -a pro-audio or similar to get it installed..
It seems to me that in the race to make a distro
that has everything working out of the box, we now
have a bunch of things that
are really screwed up for those of us with unusual needs, and now they are much
harder to untangle. =(
Any recos for a distro that must:
- be decent for development
- allow easy integration of from source apps with the distro
- be realtively straightforward for audio kernel recompiles
Thanks
Iain
4:40 p.m.
i think its easier than ever. on windows it was alwasy
a constant dance of
deleting registry entries from old versions of plugins, dealing with the
annoyance of clogging up USB ports with dongles or trackign down slightly
ness annoying cracks just so you could use software you paid for without
broken challenge/response schemes that required internet connections and said
dongle ports..
I wasn't comparing to windows, I was comparing to gentoo 2004 or 2005 or the old
stable agnulas.
have you tried the proaudio overlay? just about every
audio app ever written
for linux is an emerge away. it couldnt get much easier..
just emerge layman && layman -a pro-audio or similar to get it installed..
If you are referring to Gentoo, the 2006.1 installer won't even work with my
setup. I could revert to an old one, but if the current state of gentoo is
indicative of how it is being managed, than I don't think that bodes well for
the future. Getting audio apps installed is no problem, it's getting all the
drivers and base components playing fairly together that is bad. IE a fresh
install of Ubuntu won't even aplay, with one of the most popular prosumer audio
cards out there! That is terrible.
So, any stories of distros that *are* working properly? I don't mind a tough
intall if it will work in the end. Slackware? Arch? Something I'm missing?
Someway to install the big ones with no audio in there at all so I can start
from scratch? ( It seems like you can't rip alsa out of ubunut without killing
the entire gnome desktop, which is totally idiotic. )
Iain
4:53 p.m.
Quoting Lee Revell <rlrevell(a)joe-job.com>om>:
On Fri, 2006-09-22 at 11:40 -0700,
iainduncan(a)telus.net wrote:
Delta 66. Worked fine until I actually installed any audio utils, then after
that even aplay wouldn't work. More troubling is the fact that it seemed near
impossible to gut all the sound stuff and start recompiling alsa drivers as
modules so that my card would be seen by the system as multi cards if I wan't it
to be. Ubuntu has rolled alsa control into gnome so you can't remove alsa
without removing gnome, unless you want to start rebuilding your entire desktop
, which kinda negates the advantages of Ubunutu. I googled a bit and found a lot
of others complaining about ice1712 bugs and how difficult it is to fix so to
heck with that.
I do hope they get on that Mubunut idea though, because in all other respects I
loved it. But pro audio users NEED to be able configure audio drivers as they
want, they really can't work with a tied in approach like that.
Iain
IE a fresh
install of Ubuntu won't even aplay, with one of the most popular
prosumer audio
cards out there! That is terrible.
Which card? What were the symptoms? 
5:50 p.m.
On Fri, 2006-09-22 at 11:53 -0700, iainduncan(a)telus.net wrote:
Quoting Lee Revell <rlrevell(a)joe-job.com>om>:
aplay won't work if JACK is running as this card lacks hardware mixing.
On Fri, 2006-09-22 at 11:40 -0700,
iainduncan(a)telus.net wrote:
Delta 66. Worked fine until I actually installed any audio utils, then after
that even aplay wouldn't work. IE a fresh
install of Ubuntu won't even aplay, with one of the most popular
prosumer audio
cards out there! That is terrible.
Which card? What were the symptoms? More troubling is the fact that it seemed near
impossible to gut all the sound stuff and start recompiling alsa drivers as
modules so that my card would be seen by the system as multi cards if I wan't it
to be. Ubuntu has rolled alsa control into gnome so you can't remove alsa
without removing gnome, unless you want to start rebuilding your entire desktop
, which kinda negates the advantages of Ubunutu. I googled a bit and found a lot
of others complaining about ice1712 bugs and how difficult it is to fix so to
heck with that.
You can build new ALSA packages, or just compile ALSA and install over
the Ubuntu ALSA modules.
Lee
6:26 p.m.
Delta 66.
Worked fine until I actually installed any audio utils, then
after
that even aplay wouldn't work.
aplay won't work if JACK is running as this card lacks hardware mixing. More
troubling is the fact that it seemed near
impossible to gut all the sound stuff and start recompiling alsa drivers
as
modules so that my card would be seen by the
system as multi cards if I
wan't it
to be. Ubuntu has rolled alsa control into gnome
so you can't remove alsa
without removing gnome, unless you want to start rebuilding your entire
desktop
, which kinda negates the advantages of Ubunutu.
I googled a bit and found
a lot
of others complaining about ice1712 bugs and how
difficult it is to fix so
to
heck with that.
You can build new ALSA packages, or just compile ALSA and install over
the Ubuntu ALSA modules. 
23 Sep
23 Sep
5:33 p.m.
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I googled a bit and found a lot
of others complaining about ice1712 bugs and how difficult it is to fix so to
heck with that.
I got an ice1712-card for years too (terratec ewx 24/96) and since suse
8.2 it works just perfect. I always recommend this chipset for use with
linux and even some vendors (like terratec) state, that the card works
with linux...
I do hope they get on that Mubunut idea though,
because in all other respects I
loved it. But pro audio users NEED to be able configure audio drivers as they
want, they really can't work with a tied in approach like that.
i dont know... i never did any twaeking regarding alsa, i run audio on
my box via jack with about 5ms latency and i can go as low as 1ms with
some caution....
With the standardkernel in ubuntu.
Friend, that have compiled the ubuntukernel with rt-patches report, that
they even can get lower with much less caution (having jackd running
with 2.8ms and softsynths, muse and ardour running actively while
browsing the web with firefox and using GIMP and large javaapps at the
same time...).
So i agree, tweaking is cool and can bring advantage, yet it does not
seam absolutely needed to me.
best regards
Z
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22 Sep
22 Sep
4:43 p.m.
iainduncan(a)telus.net wrote:
Gaaah! I haven't had to install a new linux in
ages, and now am faced with doing
so. Is it just me, or is the state of linux pro audio on the major distros a
total mess right now? Fedora core 5 seems to require MUCH tweaking to get any
I've been pretty disappointed at the state of the various linux distros
recently, and ended up settling on Arch Linux after having gone through
the most recent versions of Ubuntu/Kubuntu, Fedora, Debian, openSUSE,
and MEPIS.
http://www.archlinux.org/
It's a fairly lightweight distro, which behaves very *bsd like. If you
use the i386 build (not the more recent x86-64 builds which don't have
the same package support) a good amount of community packages already
exist. The overall speed of the system is quite good and is definitely
better than most that I've tried.
I've found that pre-built binaries are missing for some of the key sound
apps (like zynaddsubfx) but community supported 'pkg' makefiles exist
and work well (available at the url below).
http://aur.archlinux.org/
All you need to do to build an aur package is download the small tarball
(with contains a makefile, and perhaps some patches), extract it, go
into the created directory and do a 'makepkg'.
Package quality seems quite high, and most packages are up to date.
I've been using kde as my desktop environment of choice, and have found
its quality to be much better than kubuntu.
Have fun,
Steve
4:49 p.m.
I've been pretty disappointed at the state of the
various linux distros
recently, and ended up settling on Arch Linux after having gone through
the most recent versions of Ubuntu/Kubuntu, Fedora, Debian, openSUSE,
and MEPIS.
Ok, good to hear that I'm not just crazy. I mean, on Fedora, sound worked out of
the box. If you don't mind the cursor not being able to keep up with the
waveform that is. Worked in a totally unusable fashion for pro audio, and I've
compiled a lot of stuff from source and couldn't figure out how to fix it. I
probably could have done a Linux From Scratch several times now in the amount of
time I've spent auditioning "Desktop" distros.
http://www.archlinux.org/
It's a fairly lightweight distro, which behaves very *bsd like. If you
use the i386 build (not the more recent x86-64 builds which don't have
the same package support) a good amount of community packages already
exist. The overall speed of the system is quite good and is definitely
better than most that I've tried.
I've found that pre-built binaries are missing for some of the key sound
apps (like zynaddsubfx) but community supported 'pkg' makefiles exist
and work well (available at the url below).
That sounds ok, as I can't think of any proaudio app I didn't end up
reconfiguring and recompiling anyway ...
Does it use a BSD style port system? I really liked gentoos emerge, but they've
gone and screwed up the underlying foundation in order to have a gui installer.
How does Arch compare with somthing like slackware?
Thanks
Iain
4:57 p.m.
iainduncan(a)telus.net wrote:
Does it use a BSD style port system? I really liked
gentoos emerge, but they've
gone and screwed up the underlying foundation in order to have a gui installer.
Check out the AUR guidelines:
http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/New_AUR_user_guidelines
That's about as close as it gets to the bsd ports tree.
How does Arch compare with somthing like slackware?
It feels very similar.
Installation is similar (test based installed from CD or ftp, about the
same level of complication).
Their are no distro specific GUI configuration tools (a good thing in my
book).
Startup is very minimalist (it doesn't start every daemon in the world
on startup) so it starts fast and doesn't eat all of your RAM.
I tend to like to install only the base system, configure 'pacman'
(arch's version of apt) to use all of the bleeding edge repositories,
then do something along the lines of the following:
#update the base system
pacman -Syu
#add xorg and kde, don't forget to add your gfx driver (xf86-video-foo)
pacman -S xorg kde
#configure xorg
xorgcfg
Then you're more or less ready to go. I've found that it's a fairly
painless install.
later,
Steve
4:50 p.m.
just for information, recent Ubuntu update seems to break Alsa, I can't
get jack running anymore, it always claims that the device is already
busy. Fortunaly I can get back the last kernel+modules version which works.
--
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media art + development
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next events:
elektronengehirn exhibition, lecture + concert @ Piksel 2006, Bergen,
Norway 12.-15. october
more at blog 4, also available as rss feed:
http://java.block4.com/blog4/
5:51 p.m.
On Fri, 2006-09-22 at 20:50 +0200, Malte Steiner wrote:
just for information, recent Ubuntu update seems to
break Alsa, I can't
get jack running anymore, it always claims that the device is already
busy. Fortunaly I can get back the last kernel+modules version which works.
This is the expected behavior if a sound server is already using the
device. JACK requires exclusive access.
What do "fuser /dev/dsp" and "fuser /dev/snd/*" say?
Lee
5:58 p.m.
On Friday 22 September 2006 14:50, Malte Steiner wrote:
just for information, recent Ubuntu update seems to
break
Alsa, I can't get jack running anymore, it always claims that
the device is already busy. Fortunaly I can get back the last
kernel+modules version which works.
Thanks for the heads up.... it's been bugging me to install four
kernel .debs for the last few days, I've been uneasy about it
and now I'm not going to do it at all.
Rob
23 Sep
23 Sep
3:54 a.m.
Malte Steiner wrote:
just for information, recent Ubuntu update seems to
break Alsa, I
can't get jack running anymore, it always claims thas,
t the device is already busy. Fortunaly I can get back the last
kernel+modules version which works.
This happened to me recently on my laptop. I am new to Ubuntu. Will
they fix this, or is there some steps to restore alsa I can take?
Thanks,
Ken
10:27 a.m.
Ken wrote:
Malte Steiner wrote:
I just noticed this. It seems that esd is running. Kill it and jack
should work. I don't know any more than that.
Bill
just for information, recent Ubuntu update seems
to break Alsa, I
can't get jack running anymore, it always claims thas,
t the device is already busy. Fortunaly I can get back the last
kernel+modules version which works.
This happened to me recently on my laptop. I am new to Ubuntu. Will
they fix this, or is there some steps to restore alsa I can take?
Thanks,
Ken
1:20 p.m.
On Fri, 2006-09-22 at 22:54 -0700, Ken wrote:
Malte Steiner wrote:
What's the Ubuntu bug ID#? Which release?
Lee
just for information, recent Ubuntu update seems
to break Alsa, I
can't get jack running anymore, it always claims thas,
t the device is already busy. Fortunaly I can get back the last
kernel+modules version which works.
This happened to me recently on my laptop. I am new to Ubuntu. Will
they fix this, or is there some steps to restore alsa I can take?
6:34 p.m.
Hello
What's the Ubuntu bug ID#? Which release?
I was about to write that
......................................................................
It happend to me with the last kernel update 2.6.15-27-k7 (amd)
2.6.15.26-k7 runs fine and I am glad I kept it. I don't know how
widespread this problem is, not much people complains about it at the
ubuntuforum so I hesitated to file a bug so far. But I guess not so much
using ALSA and JACK in comparison to the usual ubuntu user. I try to
kill ESD an
......................................................................
and rechecked it and magically everything works again! Good that we
talked about. There were no kernel updates yesterday or the day before
which could fix it and after the fatal update I restarted the machine
several times, strange. Linux audio voodoo, but I keep the other Kernel
and modules anyway to have at least a plan b on stage.
Cheers,
Malte
--
Malte Steiner
media art + development
-www.block4.com-
next events:
elektronengehirn exhibition, lecture + concert @ Piksel 2006, Bergen,
Norway 12.-15. october
more at blog 4, also available as rss feed:
http://java.block4.com/blog4/
22 Sep
22 Sep
4:52 p.m.
On 9/22/06, iainduncan(a)telus.net <iainduncan(a)telus.net> wrote:
...and
gentoo took a giant step backwards by rushing a broken and not ready 2006.1
installer out the door negating all the advantages they used to have.
Yeah, it was pretty bad the one time I tried it.
That said, using the installer is an option. Why not just do the
install the old way, by hand?
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-x86-quickinstall.xml
I've done a new machine for my son 3-4 weeks ago. It's working great.
He's happy. He has all the apps he wants. Portage works great.
Wireless is working OK for him. Things are good.
Note that Gentoo management, WRT portage and apps anyway, does seem
less crisp than it used to some years ago. There has been a rash of
apps going from testing to stable to masked to unavailable. A few of
them, like eselect-compiler, have caused me and others problems.
Strange problems... ;-)
Anyway, I still like Gentoo. I haven't seen an xrun in months, even
running at 64/2 all day long. (Even when running the ati-drivers
package!) ;-)
- Mark
5:04 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Distros these days? What a mess!
On Fri, 22 Sep 2006, iainduncan(a)telus.net wrote:
Any recos for a distro that must:
- be decent for development
- allow easy integration of from source apps with the distro
- be realtively straightforward for audio kernel recompiles
I've had very good success with Slackware <= 10.2, using Ardour primarily,
but also with Audacity, and Rosegarden a little. My needs, however,
are not particularly complex.
--
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Sylvain Robitaille syl(a)alcor.concordia.ca
Major in Electroacoustic Studies Concordia University
Faculty of Fine Arts / Music Department Montreal, Quebec, Canada
----------------------------------------------------------------------
7:45 p.m.
On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 11:25:00 -0700
iainduncan(a)telus.net écrivait:
the major distros a total mess right now? Fedora core
5 seems to
require MUCH tweaking to get any audio working and has a lot of alsa
weirdness preventing serious work
I went through the process recently and wrote a bit about it. Bought
hardware (M-Audio 1010LT, M-Audio Pulsar mic, M-Audio Axiom 25
keyboard, M-Audio DX4 speakers - hey. the corner store just got the
M-Audio line recently and that's all they have for serious audio). All
that on top of a MSI Neo4 K8N, AMD dual core, 4GB RAM, a few disks.
Next step was the distro. I use SuSE since a year and a half but was
building/using Linux From Scratch for the past four years, at home and
at work. I couldn't get Jacklab on SuSE, so I started to look
elsewhere and settled for CCRMA (32 bits only) and also Studio 64.
CCRMA works just fine right from the start, after installing Fedora
Core 5. Instructions to install CCRMA are clear, with examples, and
straightforward to follow. The choice of packages has quite a lot and
RFedora provides the required system tools for
development/compilation. The only let down is that it's only 32 bits.
But apart from that, the ratio fun/problem tweaking is very, very low
(apart from learning how the apps actually work ! which most of them
are easy to get basic fun).
Studio 64 works also right from the start but I don't have the
impression that the development tools are there and, it looks like a
very straight 64 bit system in that a compiled emacs will run in a
terminal window because it did not find X).
Back to SuSE 10.0, I find the 'Nerd 3' instructions to install Jacklab
not that clear, especially regarding installing the real-time version of
the kernel. And, as shipped, SuSE 10.0 will let bundled audio apps
(jack, hydrogen, zyn, etc...) only run as root. Surely that's not much
to fix, but the total outlook does not seem too well for someone who
does not have that much time to spend on fixing stuff. So that's on
the backburner until Jacklab evolves a bit.
I'm surprised that Fedora 5 / CCRMA does not work for you since you
also have a M-Audio card.
Cheers.
Al
8:09 p.m.
Interesting message. You know - I had somewhat similar
thoughts at some point. Then I stopped worrying,
learned a lot and jumped into the driver's seat. I
ditched every distro that I had tried - all of them
had this or that feature that annoyed me. I installed
LFS, learned a lot of things and I have to tell you
that it has given me the best desktop OS experience
ever.
There is hardly anything that annoys me now. It's more
or less a smooth ride now. Like I've said - the
ingredients are out there to make one helluva audio
system - it's just a matter of getting it all together.
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23 Sep
10:47 a.m.
On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 15:09:18 -0700 (PDT)
Drucer Ninetynine <drucer99(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
Interesting message. You know - I had somewhat
similar
thoughts at some point. Then I stopped worrying,
learned a lot and jumped into the driver's seat. I
ditched every distro that I had tried - all of them
had this or that feature that annoyed me. I installed
LFS, learned a lot of things and I have to tell you
that it has given me the best desktop OS experience
ever.
At this point I still have to figure out this 64/32 bits library setup
thing before I go back to LFS (maybe reading the mailing list would be
a good start). I guess I could natively build a 64 bits LFS using a 64
bits distro like SuSE, but the chip supports 32 bits and it seems some
apps are simply not used to 64 bits environment for compiling and
running. If I was going XScale or PPC or something then I'd expect
limitations, but not on the AMD X2.
There is hardly anything that annoys me now. It's
more
or less a smooth ride now. Like I've said - the
ingredients are out there to make one helluva audio
system - it's just a matter of getting it all together.
Yes indeed ! I really liked the years I used LFS. This is where I
first compiled and ran MuSE a couple of years ago. And the stability
of the system is impressive because you get to make things run for you
so you don't put a zillion unedded processes and modules, as well as a
myriad of cases in bootscripts. Not so with SuSE, for instance. I
switch (and bought) a commercial distro in 2005 to see what it's like
to jump on the big mainstream Linux bandwagon. And athough all the
glitter is at the rendez-vous, there are significant instances of
instability. Nevertheless I'm impressed with a distro such as SuSE
10.0 (10.1 not !). Hopefully the good folks at Jacklab will put out a
clear and stable way of incorporating the Linux Audio suite of
applications in the near future.
Cheers.
Al
7:29 a.m.
I am acutally use apodio since many years... and those last 2 years I
feel more & more easy to make professional audio than ever!!!
I do whatever I want, I becareful of the equipment I buy and then I
install my distro and go on... and we actually more & more install
party... people are more ready than ever!
but I made last week a testing sessions of different distro and I got a
lot of problem... I missed prepared distro with many on it and easy to
add...
-I test the last Debian 3rc1 or something (you need to refresh the all
system after you installed, I think that's a little oldies way of making
a distro... and becareful of the glibc update ahahah :-D )
-the last ubuntu dapper 6.0.6 or something (I didn't make it work on my
machine, a lot of problems of writing on the DD... I met people with
same experience on .iso of ubuntu downloaded from their website... bouga)
-I test the last fedora, was nice install but after you need another day
of configuration of your audio + install... planet CCRMA should make a
planetCCRMA LIvecd based on fedora that you could install straight ready
to go... it could rocks... I don't (I know why they not do it)
just shared experience ....
cheers
joke
http://www.apodio.org
Gaaah! I haven't had to install a new linux in
ages, and now am faced with doing
so. Is it just me, or is the state of linux pro audio on the major distros a
total mess right now? Fedora core 5 seems to require MUCH tweaking to get any
audio working and has a lot of alsa weirdness preventing serious work,
Ubuntu just plain doesn't work with numerous cards ( including mine! ) and
gentoo took a giant step backwards by rushing a broken and not ready 2006.1
installer out the door negating all the advantages they used to have.
Am I the only one who feels like getting pro audio working these days is
*harder* than two years ago??? It seems to me that in the race to make a distro
that has everything working out of the box, we now have a bunch of things that
are really screwed up for those of us with unusual needs, and now they are much
harder to untangle. =(
Any recos for a distro that must:
- be decent for development
- allow easy integration of from source apps with the distro
- be realtively straightforward for audio kernel recompiles
Thanks
Iain
6:41 p.m.
On Sat, 2006-09-23 at 13:28 +0200, joke wrote:
-I test the last fedora, was nice install but after
you need another day
of configuration of your audio + install... planet CCRMA should make a
planetCCRMA LIvecd based on fedora that you could install straight ready
to go... it could rocks... I don't (I know why they not do it)
It will come eventually, the reason is simple, lack of time. You don't
know how much work all of this is until you try :-) I do have a "one dvd
install" for fc4 but fc4 is already old...
-- Fernando
24 Sep
24 Sep
1:19 p.m.
On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 13:41:15 -0700
Fernando Lopez-Lezcano <nando(a)ccrma.Stanford.EDU> écrivait:
It will come eventually, the reason is simple, lack of
time. You don't
know how much work all of this is until you try :-) I do have a "one
dvd install" for fc4 but fc4 is already old...
Fernando,
Are there any plans to make a 64-bit version of (most of) CCRMA ?
Cheers,
Al
11:17 p.m.
On Sun, 2006-09-24 at 11:20 -0400, lanas wrote:
On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 13:41:15 -0700
Fernando Lopez-Lezcano <nando(a)ccrma.Stanford.EDU> écrivait:
It is a recurring question I get... :-) Yes, plans of course, time to
actually do it, no so easy to find.
-- Fernando
It will come eventually, the reason is simple,
lack of time. You don't
know how much work all of this is until you try :-) I do have a "one
dvd install" for fc4 but fc4 is already old...
Fernando,
Are there any plans to make a 64-bit version of (most of) CCRMA ?
23 Sep
23 Sep
1:33 p.m.
On Fri, 2006-09-22 at 11:25 -0700, iainduncan(a)telus.net wrote:
Am I the only one who feels like getting pro audio
working these days is
*harder* than two years ago??? It seems to me that in the race to make a distro
that has everything working out of the box, we now have a bunch of things that
are really screwed up for those of us with unusual needs, and now they are much
harder to untangle. =(
I think you're right that the situation is getting worse, but I don't
think it's the distros fault - I think it's hardware. As PCs get
cheaper and cheaper, the proliferation of hardware varieties has become
exponential. For example, in 1998 99% of machines had a PIIX4 chipset
and you never heard of a distro not seeing someone's disks unless the
user did something wrong. Nowadays there are several different ATA,
SATA, PATA, etc. chipsets from many different vendors several of who
STILL don't bother to make sure Linux works with their hardware. For
example Marvell just last week gave the Linux kernel guys the
documentation to support their chipsets, which have been shipping for
months (years?). HDA intel is another example, where the design is such
that in order to make it work you would need a sample of every f**king
laptop make and model on the planet, or documentation from every vendor,
where in the past it was enough to have the chipset docs.
The proliferation of hardware has nothing to do with performance - it's
just to make cheap junk cheaper and to fool users with useless "value
added" features like fakeraid.
Lee
5:06 p.m.
I think you're right that the situation is getting
worse, but I don't
think it's the distros fault - I think it's hardware. As PCs get
cheaper and cheaper, the proliferation of hardware varieties has become
exponential. For example, in 1998 99% of machines had a PIIX4 chipset
Oh I agree with you there. But there is also the fact that the race is on to
make the first truely usable out of the box linux desktop, and that means
superficial ( not meant in a bad way ) integration that solves 90% of the users
needs for 90% of the users, in an easy point and click way. This means Ubuntu,
Fedora, Suse, etc will try to make sure that *most* soundcards do *most* of what
people want in *most* scenarios, but that invariably makes it more difficult to
gut those average case scenarios and tweak things for pro audio. I think
unfortunately we're in the growing pains stage of that.
It's like, it use to be medium hard to install linux at all, and hard to get pro
audio working. Now it's easy to install linux and very hard to get proaudio
working.
I think I'm going to do a dual distro installation with a shared home partition
and see how that works out. Ubuntu and Arch by the looks of it, because Ubuntu
really has done a great job of everything else I use, just no audio drivers.
Arch is a tough slog, but at least you're learning useful stuff!
Can anyone tell if sharing the home partition and swap partition is a good plan?
I'm thinking seperate boots, seperate /s, and shared swap and home.
Iain
24 Sep
24 Sep
9:26 a.m.
On Saturday 23 September 2006 2:06 pm, iainduncan(a)telus.net wrote:
Can anyone tell if sharing the home partition and swap
partition is
a good plan? I'm thinking seperate boots, seperate /s, and shared
swap and home.
Hello Iain,
I've been sharing the swap partition between 2 or more Linux distros
for over 2 years now without problems.
But I've never tried sharing the home partition.
I would think that if you installed xyz application from 1 distro,
then installed xyz application with perhaps a different version
number in the 2nd distro, the .xyz directory in /home might get
altered from the 2nd install and cause problems when you returned to
the 1st distro and ran xyz application.
If you have the courage to try sharing /home partitions, let me know
how it works for you. I might give it a try.
Best Regards,
Stephen.
9:36 a.m.
On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 06:34:25 -0500
The Other <sstubbs(a)shout.net> wrote:
On Saturday 23 September 2006 2:06 pm,
iainduncan(a)telus.net wrote:
I've been sharing the home partition between different Mdk distros for
years, and more recently between Mdk and Debian. I set up different
*users* for each distro but with a common share directory (with public
r/w permission) for documents, photos music etc. That way distro
specific stuff doesn't get mixed up.
Sometimes there is a slight issue with write permissions, but a quick
chmod sorts that out - otherwise I've had no problems.
--
Will J G
Can anyone tell if sharing the home partition and
swap partition is
a good plan? I'm thinking seperate boots, seperate /s, and shared
swap and home.
Hello Iain,
I've been sharing the swap partition between 2 or more Linux distros
for over 2 years now without problems.
But I've never tried sharing the home partition.
I would think that if you installed xyz application from 1 distro,
then installed xyz application with perhaps a different version
number in the 2nd distro, the .xyz directory in /home might get
altered from the 2nd install and cause problems when you returned to
the 1st distro and ran xyz application.
If you have the courage to try sharing /home partitions, let me know
how it works for you. I might give it a try.
Best Regards,
Stephen. 
9:45 a.m.
The Other schrieb:
On Saturday 23 September 2006 2:06 pm,
iainduncan(a)telus.net wrote:
Can anyone tell if sharing the home partition and
swap partition is
a good plan? I'm thinking seperate boots, seperate /s, and shared
swap and home.
If you have the courage to try sharing /home partitions, let me know
how it works for you. I might give it a try.
Due to the problems with those distributions, I usually have 3 or 4
different systems on my machine. They all share one swap-partition, but
the /home partitions are separated. These contain only the dotted
directories and files, however, and links to directories on a separate
data partition, where all my user files reside. That way I avoid
problems with the applications and have my data at hand in every system.
Regards,
Klaus
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Bill Allen -
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Fernando Lopez-Lezcano -
Folderol -
Hartmut Noack -
iainduncan＠telus.net -
joke -
Ken -
Klaus Kosten -
lanas -
Lee Revell -
Malte Steiner -
Mark Knecht -
Rob -
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