6 Mar
2007
6 Mar
'07
7:35 p.m.
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I may need to sell my Mac Mini and buy a laptop instead, for use live, or just for being
mobile and being able to make music without being chained to the computer and monitor at
home.
What laptops do the developers own, so that I know hardware support is present and
accounted for?
I want to avoid any laptop that requires proprietary video drivers-- like NVidia-- so that
there aren't interactions between the driver and realtime mode. Also I want to avoid
any laptop that isn't widely in use for linux audio already, using jackd, and ideally
using freebob too.
Most of the really good, cheap new laptops seem to have Intel Core Duo's, and I'm
not sure how many people beside myself are out on the bleeding edge with Duo's. Still,
whatever I'm going to buy is going to be older and used, because that's all I can
afford.
The list at http://freebob.sourceforge.net/index.php/List_of_Working_Setups is a great
resource, but it lacks the info on the actual laptop.
Come to think of it, I'd volunteer to set up a wiki page with a list of working laptop
Linux Audio setups, if someone would tell me where's a good place to put it.
Maybe something like:
Make Model KernelVersion Distro AudioInterface AudioDriverVersion
Where "AudioInterface" is the make/model of audio interface chip or external
interface, if any, and "AudioDriverVersion" would be ALSA or FreeBob or
whatever.
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6 Mar
6 Mar
8:02 p.m.
From: Ken Restivo <ken(a)restivo.org>
Come to think of it, I'd volunteer to set up a wiki
page with a list of working laptop Linux Audio setups, if someone would tell me
where's a good place to put it.
Maybe something like:
Make Model KernelVersion Distro AudioInterface AudioDriverVersion
might i suggest adding a field for comments, so folks can note any problem areas in a
particular setup.
this is an excellent idea, and would be a useful resource. the trick (and this is vital to
its usefulness) is to get widespread participation.
--
.pltk.
9:11 p.m.
plutek(a)infinity.net wrote:
I glanced at someone's reply to this listing their laptop. The make and
model number didn't tell me what I was looking for - processor/speed,
and memory.
--
David
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
From: Ken
Restivo <ken(a)restivo.org>
Come to think of it, I'd volunteer to set up
a wiki page with a list of working laptop Linux Audio setups, if someone would tell me
where's a good place to put it.
Maybe something like:
Make Model KernelVersion Distro AudioInterface AudioDriverVersion
might i suggest adding a field for comments, so folks can note any problem areas in a
particular setup.
this is an excellent idea, and would be a useful resource. the trick (and this is vital
to its usefulness) is to get widespread participation. 
9:44 p.m.
On 3/6/07, david <gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
I glanced at someone's reply to this listing their
laptop. The make and
model number didn't tell me what I was looking for - processor/speed,
and memory.
How about make, model, and a link to the machine's page on the
vendor's web site?
Lee
9:55 p.m.
On 3/7/07, david <gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
I glanced at someone's reply to this listing their
laptop. The make and
model number didn't tell me what I was looking for - processor/speed,
and memory.
Acer 3004WTMi:
Pentium-4M 2GHz, 1GB RAM
Can't find it's page on Acer, they deprecated it already.
Dmitry.
9 Mar
9 Mar
4:28 a.m.
onsdag 07 mars 2007 02:55 skrev Dmitry Baikov:
On 3/7/07, david <gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
Had an Acer Ferrari 3000 before. It really sucked. Nearly burned my genitals
when I tried to work with that one.
I've turned to an IBM/Lenovo Z60m (wide screen) now. It workes well but as usual the
internal sound card is weak. But I mostley don't use the input of the sound
card. I do that on my stationary computer. I'm using OpenSUSE. I had opensuse
10.1 (have 10.2 now but haven't installed rt-kernel yet) before and there I
used the rt-kernel. Issues with getting the laptop to suspend to ram and
to wake up. So now days I have to kernels to boot from. One vanilla and one with rt.
An easy way to get good listing of hardware is to use lshw.
svn co http://dev.ezix.org/source/packages/lshw/releases/B.02.10
cd B02.10
make (install if you want)
./src/lshw -short
Listing of my computer, IBM/Lenovo Z60m:
H/W path Device Class Description
===================================================
system 2531E9G
/0 bus 2531E9G
/0/0 memory 144KB BIOS
/0/6 processor Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 2.00GHz
/0/6/a memory 32KB L1 cache
/0/6/b memory 2MB L2 cache
/0/2c memory 2GB System Memory
/0/2c/0 memory 1GB SODIMM DDR Synchronous
/0/2c/1 memory 1GB SODIMM DDR Synchronous
/0/100 bridge Mobile 915GM/PM/GMS/910GML Express Processor to
DRAM Controller
/0/100/1 bridge Mobile 915GM/PM Express PCI Express Root Port
/0/100/1/0 display M24 1P [Radeon Mobility X600]
/0/100/1b multimedia 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High
Definition Audio Controller
/0/100/1c bridge 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) PCI Express
Port 1
/0/100/1c/0 eth0 network NetXtreme BCM5751M Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express
/0/100/1c.1 bridge 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) PCI Express
Port 2
/0/100/1c.2 bridge 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) PCI Express
Port 3
/0/100/1c.3 bridge 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) PCI Express
Port 4
/0/100/1d bus 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) USB UHCI #1
/0/100/1d.1 bus 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) USB UHCI #2
/0/100/1d.2 bus 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) USB UHCI #3
/0/100/1d.3 bus 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) USB UHCI #4
/0/100/1d.7 bus 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) USB2 EHCI
Controller
/0/100/1e bridge 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge
/0/100/1e/0 bridge RL5c476 II
/0/100/1e/0.1 bus R5C552 IEEE 1394 Controller
/0/100/1e/0.2 system R5C822 SD/SDIO/MMC/MS/MSPro Host Adapter
/0/100/1e/0.3 system R5C592 Memory Stick Bus Host Adapter
/0/100/1e/2 eth1 network PRO/Wireless 2915ABG Network Connection
/0/100/1f bridge 82801FBM (ICH6M) LPC Interface Bridge
/0/100/1f.2 scsi0 storage 82801FBM (ICH6M) SATA Controller
/0/100/1f.2/0 /dev/sda disk 74GB TOSHIBA MK8032GS
/0/100/1f.2/0/1 /dev/sda1 volume 2055MB Linux swap / Solaris partition
/0/100/1f.2/0/2 /dev/sda2 volume 15GB Linux filesystem partition
/0/100/1f.2/0/3 /dev/sda3 volume 57GB Linux filesystem partition
/0/100/1f.2/1 disk DVD-RAM UJ-830Sx
/0/100/1f.3 bus 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) SMBus
Controller
/0/1 scsi10 storage
/0/1/0.0.0 /dev/sdb disk 232GB WD2500JB-00GVA0
/0/1/0.0.0/1 /dev/sdb1 volume 133MB Linux filesystem partition
/0/1/0.0.0/2 /dev/sdb2 volume 964MB Linux swap / Solaris partition
/0/1/0.0.0/3 /dev/sdb3 volume 46GB Linux filesystem partition
/0/1/0.0.0/4 /dev/sdb4 volume 185GB Linux filesystem partition
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I glanced at someone's reply to this listing
their laptop. The make and
model number didn't tell me what I was looking for - processor/speed,
and memory.
Acer 3004WTMi:
Pentium-4M 2GHz, 1GB RAM
Can't find it's page on Acer, they deprecated it already.
6 Mar
6 Mar
8:03 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [Jackit-devel] What laptops do the devs have?
Hi!
Acer
TravelMate 3004WTMi
linux-2.6.20-rt8
Gentoo
RME Multiface II / Cardbus
ALSA
jackd works stable with 128-frame buffers. 64-frames works, but with
periodic xruns.
Worked rock-solid with 2.6.19-rt15
With 2.6.20-rt8 switching desktops to a one with fullscreen firefox
gives xruns (i think it is related to i915 driver).
Plan to replace it soon with HP nx6325.
Regards,
Dmitry.
7 Mar
7 Mar
7:20 p.m.
On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 03:35:06PM -0800, Ken Restivo wrote:
I may need to sell my Mac Mini and buy a laptop
instead, for use live,
or just for being mobile and being able to make music without being
chained to the computer and monitor at home.
Intel Mini or G4?
I want to avoid any laptop that requires proprietary
video drivers--
like NVidia-- so that there aren't interactions between the driver and
realtime mode. Also I want to avoid any laptop that isn't widely in
use for linux audio already, using jackd, and ideally using freebob
too.
I had a Thinkpad R50. Everything was perfectly supported, except
firewire. Firewire drives worked nicely, but firewire video devices
could be problematic. Never tried firewire audio. The onboard ATI
graphics are well supported by Xorg. Onboard audio is reasonably
clean. I wouldn't call it pro-quality, but running the onboard output
to a PA wasn't embarrassing.
Now I have a Lenovo 3000 n100. Nvidia graphics. Suspend doesn't work.
Hibernate doesn't work. Wireless doesn't work. Onboard audio is too
noisy for me to consider ever connecting directly to a PA. Stay away
from the Lenovo 3000s. I hear the newer Lenovo Thinkpads are still good
if you go with Intel graphics though.
If I was installing the Lenovo again, I think I would go back to 32bit
instead of 64 though.
Most of the really good, cheap new laptops seem to
have Intel Core
Duo's, and I'm not sure how many people beside myself are out on the
bleeding edge with Duo's. Still, whatever I'm going to buy is going to
be older and used, because that's all I can afford.
I wouldn't call it all that bleeding edge. Dual core AMD and Intel
chips have been around for a few years, and dual processor a lot
longer. I wouldn't worry about it.
7:49 p.m.
Joshua Boyd wrote:
On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 03:35:06PM -0800, Ken Restivo
wrote:
second that! i945GM on Lenovo X60s works just fine.
the laptop worked almost instantly with Linux incl. suspend+hibernate,
2nd Video-Head, wireless, etc. stock debian kernel. - the integrated
speaker however is embarrassing!
realtime-2.6.20 + hibernate are still somewhat exclusive (see other
thread). - jack+ardour+sc+pd+.. work just great with USB soundcard(s).
It won't beat a PCI-Soundcard Desktop PC in performance but that's not a
point. - I have not yet tried Firewire audio, but ext. 1394-harddisks
work fine. (beware it's a 4pin connector only - no power via 1394
connector as with most PC laptops!)
I may need to sell my Mac Mini and buy a laptop
instead, for use live,
or just for being mobile and being able to make music without being
chained to the computer and monitor at home.
Intel Mini or G4?
I want to avoid any laptop that requires
proprietary video drivers--
like NVidia-- so that there aren't interactions between the driver and
realtime mode. Also I want to avoid any laptop that isn't widely in
use for linux audio already, using jackd, and ideally using freebob
too.
I had a Thinkpad R50. Everything was perfectly supported, except
firewire. Firewire drives worked nicely, but firewire video devices
could be problematic. Never tried firewire audio. The onboard ATI
graphics are well supported by Xorg. Onboard audio is reasonably
clean. I wouldn't call it pro-quality, but running the onboard output
to a PA wasn't embarrassing.
Now I have a Lenovo 3000 n100. Nvidia graphics. Suspend doesn't work.
Hibernate doesn't work. Wireless doesn't work. Onboard audio is too
noisy for me to consider ever connecting directly to a PA. Stay away
from the Lenovo 3000s. I hear the newer Lenovo Thinkpads are still good
if you go with Intel graphics though.
If I was installing the Lenovo again, I think I would
go back to 32bit
instead of 64 though.
Dual Core is quite well supported. I'd rather buy 2x32bit that 1x64bit -
at least for another year or so ;) - but Lenovo is not the cheap
solution. you might get similar performance with a Latitude D620.
Most of the really good, cheap new laptops seem
to have Intel Core
Duo's, and I'm not sure how many people beside myself are out on the
bleeding edge with Duo's. Still, whatever I'm going to buy is going to
be older and used, because that's all I can afford.
I wouldn't call it all that bleeding edge. Dual core AMD and Intel
chips have been around for a few years, and dual processor a lot
longer. I wouldn't worry about it.
8 Mar
8 Mar
8:47 p.m.
On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 12:49:46AM +0100, Robin Gareus wrote:
second that! i945GM on Lenovo X60s works just fine.
the laptop worked almost instantly with Linux incl. suspend+hibernate,
2nd Video-Head, wireless, etc. stock debian kernel. - the integrated
speaker however is embarrassing!
Yeah, the R50s integrated speaker was bad as well now that you mentioned
it. I usually used it with headphones except for the few times it was
hooked to a PA.
realtime-2.6.20 + hibernate are still somewhat
exclusive (see other
thread). - jack+ardour+sc+pd+.. work just great with USB soundcard(s).
It won't beat a PCI-Soundcard Desktop PC in performance but that's not a
point. - I have not yet tried Firewire audio, but ext. 1394-harddisks
work fine. (beware it's a 4pin connector only - no power via 1394
connector as with most PC laptops!)
Reportedly Ricoh Firefire chips (which the R50 used) aren't so good for
some multimedia tasks.
Dual Core is quite well supported. I'd rather buy
2x32bit that 1x64bit -
at least for another year or so ;) - but Lenovo is not the cheap
solution. you might get similar performance with a Latitude D620.
I just reviewed the offerings. The D620 offers some better cheap
options (under $1000, the R60s are all Celerons), but by time you are
looking at C2D T7200, they are neck and neck in price and the Thinkpad
offers the nicer screen.
6 p.m.
Hi,
I got an Asus A6000 laptop here with 1 gig mem and AMD Turion 64 single
core, this machine is one year old and was one of the last without
mirroring display, running with 64Studio in 64bit mode and Nvidias prop.
drivers for the 6200 chip.
- jack with 64 frames = 2.33ms latency but got to start Linux with
noacpi acpi=off to avoid xruns, works both for internal sound chip and
RME PCMCIA Hammerfall
- internal soundchip is ok even amplified but bleeding through noise
from power unit, the same for the RME
workarounds:
- playing from batteries
- optical connection to another converters, but didnt tested yet
- balanced cables, my favorite
- 3d acceleration and dual monitor works fine, I also use Blender and do
an occasional frag from time to time with Nexuiz
- sleep and hibernation doesnt work but I didnt put efforts into it. I
got an Ubuntu distribution installed before and it could hibernate, cpu
scaling and do wireless lan
- Battery is not that exciting, around 2 hours. But it runs always full
throttle in this configuration
Cheers,
Malte
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media art + development
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