16 Dec
2011
16 Dec
'11
10:27 a.m.
Hello,
I and a couple of friends have decided to set up an amateur internet
radio. We have a relatively small budget thus we want to go step by step.
What we've thought so far is to have a devoted box with all the music
archived. Ideally we want to make the interface very simple for DJs to
use, even if this means increasing the maintenance cost of the system
administrator. They should be able to grab a microphone and use a
portable interface (yes, some DJs may be using windows) to choose music,
play and start talking right away.
The devoted box will be running Linux and I plan to administer the
system. I have relatively good knowledge on Linux systems and
programming in general. I want the system to be flexible, be it at the
cost of difficulties in configuration or deployment.
Please advice and share your experiences.
-alip
16 Dec
16 Dec
11:26 a.m.
On 12/16/2011 10:27 AM, Ali Polatel wrote:
Hello,
I and a couple of friends have decided to set up an amateur internet
radio. We have a relatively small budget thus we want to go step by step.
What we've thought so far is to have a devoted box with all the music
archived. Ideally we want to make the interface very simple for DJs to
use, even if this means increasing the maintenance cost of the system
administrator. They should be able to grab a microphone and use a
portable interface (yes, some DJs may be using windows) to choose music,
play and start talking right away.
The devoted box will be running Linux and I plan to administer the
system. I have relatively good knowledge on Linux systems and
programming in general. I want the system to be flexible, be it at the
cost of difficulties in configuration or deployment.
Please advice and share your experiences.
Hi Alip,
icecast and darkice are the tools I use for streaming and broadcasting.
Both have fairly good documentation. Icecast is used by professional
broadcasting stations (e.g., Tilos Radio Budapest http://www.tilos.hu,
see http://stream.tilos.hu for the icecast web interface).
darkice is a tool which can stream from your soundcard (ALSA, OSS or
jack) to an icecast server. It can encode to ogg or mp3 (mp3 depends on
mp3 encoder libs, which are not available on all distros). Both tools
work very well and robust.
Be aware that the network load of the relay server (icecast) is stream
bandwidth times number of listeners.
- Giso
-alip
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11:50 a.m.
On 12/16/2011 10:27 AM, Ali Polatel wrote:
Hi,
on the server side I am currently using shoutcast on a debian wheezy box,
on the client side we are using Internet DJ Console (IDJC) as source for
shoutcast.
IDJC is jack compliant and it is very easy to setup but it does not run on
windows.
More complex setups can involve the using of Jamin through the IDJC dsp
in/out ports and/or VoIP features (skype, google-talk).
The former is quite straightforward if you are used to Qjackctl UI, the
latter requires some additional work and understanding how alsa loop
devices and jack pcm plugins work which is very well documented on
http://alsa.opensrc.org/Jack_and_Loopback_device_as_Alsa-to-Jack_bridge.
Of course you can use any other alsa app to redirect audio signals to IDJC.
eg. you can use ardour tracks to process DJ microphones input signals (add
compression, eq, reverbs) and the route tracks outs to IDJC mic inputs.
-r
Hello,
I and a couple of friends have decided to set up an amateur internet
radio. We have a relatively small budget thus we want to go step by step.
What we've thought so far is to have a devoted box with all the music
archived. Ideally we want to make the interface very simple for DJs to
use, even if this means increasing the maintenance cost of the system
administrator. They should be able to grab a microphone and use a
portable interface (yes, some DJs may be using windows) to choose music,
play and start talking right away.
The devoted box will be running Linux and I plan to administer the
system. I have relatively good knowledge on Linux systems and
programming in general. I want the system to be flexible, be it at the
cost of difficulties in configuration or deployment.
Please advice and share your experiences.
3:02 p.m.
On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 11:50:53AM +0100, Raffaele Morelli wrote:
It looks like it does not compile with the new ffmpeg either but I can
figure that out :) Thanks, looks like a very nice application.
On 12/16/2011 10:27 AM, Ali Polatel wrote:
Hi,
on the server side I am currently using shoutcast on a debian wheezy box,
on the client side we are using Internet DJ Console (IDJC) as source for
shoutcast.
IDJC is jack compliant and it is very easy to setup but it does not run on
windows. Hello,
I and a couple of friends have decided to set up an amateur internet
radio. We have a relatively small budget thus we want to go step by step.
What we've thought so far is to have a devoted box with all the music
archived. Ideally we want to make the interface very simple for DJs to
use, even if this means increasing the maintenance cost of the system
administrator. They should be able to grab a microphone and use a
portable interface (yes, some DJs may be using windows) to choose music,
play and start talking right away.
The devoted box will be running Linux and I plan to administer the
system. I have relatively good knowledge on Linux systems and
programming in general. I want the system to be flexible, be it at the
cost of difficulties in configuration or deployment.
Please advice and share your experiences.
More complex setups can involve the using of Jamin
through the IDJC dsp
in/out ports and/or VoIP features (skype, google-talk).
The former is quite straightforward if you are used to Qjackctl UI, the
latter requires some additional work and understanding how alsa loop
devices and jack pcm plugins work which is very well documented on
http://alsa.opensrc.org/Jack_and_Loopback_device_as_Alsa-to-Jack_bridge.
I have actually read that page two/three days ago to set up google-talk
with Jack on my laptop, it works like charm!
Of course you can use any other alsa app to redirect
audio signals to IDJC.
eg. you can use ardour tracks to process DJ microphones input signals (add
compression, eq, reverbs) and the route tracks outs to IDJC mic inputs.
Nice to know we are limited by our imagination. I can't ignore windows
though so I'll need to figure out an application for DJs with windows
boxes can use.
-r
2:57 p.m.
On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 11:26:23AM +0100, Giso Grimm wrote:
On 12/16/2011 10:27 AM, Ali Polatel wrote:
This looks really neat. I will try to learn more about them and post
more questions along the way.
Hello,
I and a couple of friends have decided to set up an amateur internet
radio. We have a relatively small budget thus we want to go step by step.
What we've thought so far is to have a devoted box with all the music
archived. Ideally we want to make the interface very simple for DJs to
use, even if this means increasing the maintenance cost of the system
administrator. They should be able to grab a microphone and use a
portable interface (yes, some DJs may be using windows) to choose music,
play and start talking right away.
The devoted box will be running Linux and I plan to administer the
system. I have relatively good knowledge on Linux systems and
programming in general. I want the system to be flexible, be it at the
cost of difficulties in configuration or deployment.
Please advice and share your experiences.
Hi Alip,
icecast and darkice are the tools I use for streaming and broadcasting.
Both have fairly good documentation. Icecast is used by professional
broadcasting stations (e.g., Tilos Radio Budapest http://www.tilos.hu,
see http://stream.tilos.hu for the icecast web interface). darkice is a tool which can stream from your soundcard
(ALSA, OSS or
jack) to an icecast server. It can encode to ogg or mp3 (mp3 depends on
mp3 encoder libs, which are not available on all distros). Both tools
work very well and robust.
After having a quick look at the web page I can say this looks like a
nice tool for DJs with Linux or *BSD on their boxes. Now I have one more
reason to make the "others" switch to Linux ;)
Be aware that the network load of the relay server
(icecast) is stream
bandwidth times number of listeners.
Thanks for mentioning. Maybe I can move the service to a hosting
provider at some point when we start hitting our limits. I presume this
will be more practical, stable and maybe even cheaper. Any suggestions?
- Giso
-alip
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1:16 p.m.
On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 4:27 AM, Ali Polatel <polatel(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
I and a couple of friends have decided to set up an amateur internet
radio. We have a relatively small budget thus we want to go step by step.
Are all of the DJs going to operate from the same studio? Or will they
be located somewhere else around the world?
What we've thought so far is to have a devoted box
with all the music
archived. Ideally we want to make the interface very simple for DJs to
use, even if this means increasing the maintenance cost of the system
administrator. They should be able to grab a microphone and use a
portable interface (yes, some DJs may be using windows) to choose music,
play and start talking right away.
The devoted box will be running Linux and I plan to administer the
system. I have relatively good knowledge on Linux systems and
programming in general. I want the system to be flexible, be it at the
cost of difficulties in configuration or deployment.
Please advice and share your experiences.
-alip
all the best,
drew
--
http://freemusicpush.blogspot.com/
2:39 p.m.
On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 07:16:38AM -0500, drew Roberts wrote:
On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 4:27 AM, Ali Polatel
<polatel(a)gmail.com> wrote:
The latter.
Hello,
I and a couple of friends have decided to set up an amateur internet
radio. We have a relatively small budget thus we want to go step by step.
Are all of the DJs going to operate from the same studio? Or will they
be located somewhere else around the world? What we've
thought so far is to have a devoted box with all the music
archived. Ideally we want to make the interface very simple for DJs to
use, even if this means increasing the maintenance cost of the system
administrator. They should be able to grab a microphone and use a
portable interface (yes, some DJs may be using windows) to choose music,
play and start talking right away.
The devoted box will be running Linux and I plan to administer the
system. I have relatively good knowledge on Linux systems and
programming in general. I want the system to be flexible, be it at the
cost of difficulties in configuration or deployment.
Please advice and share your experiences.
-alip
all the best,
drew
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2:51 p.m.
On Friday 16 December 2011 08:39:30 Ali Polatel wrote:
On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 07:16:38AM -0500, drew Roberts
wrote:
Thanks. I figured that just after I posted and then re-read the question.
Sorry.
The problem is going to be with the central music storage and playout but
local vocals mixed in with that. Actually the lag that results is the
problem.
DJ kicks off song playout remotely (on/from central machine). Music streams to
DJ only. DJ speaks as needed and mixes this with music stream locally. DJ
then streams this mix either back to the central machine for streaming to
listeners or to another machine for streaming to listeners. Lather, rinse,
repeat. The lag could make for a show that is not tight though.
Or. DJs download a temporary copy of the music for their show ahead of time
and music and DJ voice originate locally and then sent to central machine or
another machine for streaming to listeners.
I figure there are other possibilities too.
Perhaps some of the suggestions you get will already address the lag issue.
On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 4:27 AM, Ali Polatel
<polatel(a)gmail.com> wrote:
The latter. Hello,
I and a couple of friends have decided to set up an amateur internet
radio. We have a relatively small budget thus we want to go step by
step.
Are all of the DJs going to operate from the same studio? Or will they
be located somewhere else around the world?
>> What we've thought so far is to have a devoted box with all the music
>> archived. Ideally we want to make the interface very simple for DJs to
>> use, even if this means increasing the maintenance cost of the system
>> administrator. They should be able to grab a microphone and use a
>> portable interface (yes, some DJs may be using windows) to choose music,
>> play and start talking right away.
>>
>> The devoted box will be running Linux and I plan to administer the
>> system. I have relatively good knowledge on Linux systems and
>> programming in general. I want the system to be flexible, be it at the
>> cost of difficulties in configuration or deployment.
>>
>> Please advice and share your experiences.
>>
>> -alip
>
all the best,
drew
2:19 p.m.
On 12/16/2011 10:27 AM, Ali Polatel wrote:
Hello,
I and a couple of friends have decided to set up an amateur internet
radio. We have a relatively small budget thus we want to go step by step.
What we've thought so far is to have a devoted box with all the music
archived. Ideally we want to make the interface very simple for DJs to
use, even if this means increasing the maintenance cost of the system
administrator. They should be able to grab a microphone and use a
portable interface (yes, some DJs may be using windows) to choose music,
play and start talking right away.
The devoted box will be running Linux and I plan to administer the
system. I have relatively good knowledge on Linux systems and
programming in general. I want the system to be flexible, be it at the
cost of difficulties in configuration or deployment.
Please advice and share your experiences.
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