[linux-audio-user] Which is the best way to simulate a real piano under gnu/Linux? Here's my proposal.
13 Dec
2005
13 Dec
'05
7:56 p.m.
So far I have a nice (but not impressive) soundfont downloaded here:
http://www.hum.aau.dk/~bovbjerg/piano4.html
I'm on a 64k isdn connection so I can't download and try every free
sample on the net.
While experimenting to achieve a more natural sound I tried
dssi_convolve with some IRs downloaded from noisevault.com and got a
nicer result.
Now, I've just been inspired by the Florian Shmidth dssi_convolve entry
on his blog and I decided to create an om patch with everything I need
to have a realistic piano, with:
- the samples already loaded when I open the patch (I think I can use
fluidsynth-dssi, with a good soundfont);
- the patch will send the notes to two different responses according to
the state of the damper pedal (I'm not sure this could be done with om);
- it would be great to simulate also the resonance of other notes when
the damper pedal is pressed or other keys are already pressed;
- it would be great also to simulate a true hammer action;
I think it would be good for the community to have something similar or
better than the Steinberg The Grand VSTi. What's your opinion? Can you
help me?
Or I am doing something that's already been done? In this case, where
can I find it?
Regards,
c.
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www.cesaremarilungo.com
13 Dec
13 Dec
8:13 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Which is the best way to simulate a real piano under gnu/Linux? Here's my proposal.
I think it would be good for the community to have
something similar
or better than the Steinberg The Grand VSTi. What's your opinion?
I agree that a good piano would be a cool thing, but equally (or even
more for my personal taste) I'd be interested in a *really* good Fender
Rhodes Piano (in the optimum case a bit Chick Corea like).
But for the latter one I guess it would make sense to have a virtually
synthesized one instead of a sampled one.
Best regards
ce
14 Dec
14 Dec
10:48 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Which is the best way to simulate a real piano under gnu/Linux? Here's my proposal.
On 12/14/05, Christoph Eckert <ce(a)christeck.de> wrote:
if you are aiming for synthesised i can give you pointers to physical
synthesis work on pianos. There has been tons of it. Commuted
waveguide synthesis being the popular form. There is about 10000 times
more research on pianos than everything else together. However given
the overall attention to quality and playability by the research
community i'd suggested persuing a gigasampler one, or something along
those lines. linuxsampler is then the tool of choice.
Loki
I think it would be good for the community to
have something similar
or better than the Steinberg The Grand VSTi. What's your opinion?
I agree that a good piano would be a cool thing, but equally (or even
more for my personal taste) I'd be interested in a *really* good Fender
Rhodes Piano (in the optimum case a bit Chick Corea like).
But for the latter one I guess it would make sense to have a virtually
synthesized one instead of a sampled one.
Best regards
ce
1:22 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Which is the best way to simulate a real piano under gnu/Linux? Here's my proposal.
On 12/13/05, Christoph Eckert <ce(a)christeck.de> wrote:
I agree that a good piano would be a cool thing, but
equally (or even
more for my personal taste) I'd be interested in a *really* good Fender
Rhodes Piano (in the optimum case a bit Chick Corea like).
Have you tried the ones on http://learjeff.com/sf/sf.html? I'm not
really qualified to assess the quality, but it sounds nice to me...
4:19 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Which is the best way to simulate a real piano under gnu/Linux? Here's my proposal.
Hi,
Have you tried the ones on
http://learjeff.com/sf/sf.html? I'm not
really qualified to assess the quality, but it sounds nice to me...
no, I never saw them before. Thanks a lot for the hint. I'll try them
over the weekend.
Best regards
ce
2:39 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Which is the best way to simulate a real piano under gnu/Linux? Here's my proposal.
Am Mittwoch, 14. Dezember 2005 01:14 schrieb Christoph Eckert:
Hi Christoph,
did you try MrRay73?
It's a VST pulg-in for free but not open source. It work's for me with xfst
and with dssi-vst. You can find it here:
http://www.soundfonts.it/vst/MrRay73
Best regards,
Martin
I think it
would be good for the community to have something similar
or better than the Steinberg The Grand VSTi. What's your opinion?
I agree that a good piano would be a cool thing, but equally (or even
more for my personal taste) I'd be interested in a *really* good Fender
Rhodes Piano (in the optimum case a bit Chick Corea like).
But for the latter one I guess it would make sense to have a virtually
synthesized one instead of a sampled one.
Best regards
ce
4:21 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Which is the best way to simulate a real piano under gnu/Linux? Here's my proposal.
Hi,
did you try MrRay73?
It's a VST pulg-in for free but not open source. It work's for me
with xfst and with dssi-vst. You can find it here:
http://www.soundfonts.it/vst/MrRay73
thanks a bunch for the hint.
But to be honest, I prefer to stay open source and I'd like to avoid
using Wine (no, I'm not religious :) .
Best regards
ce
6:01 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Which is the best way to simulate a real piano under gnu/Linux? Here's my proposal.
On 12/14/05, Christoph Eckert <ce(a)christeck.de> wrote:
Hi,
Yeah, I agree. In the old days I would have warmly recommended
LinuxSampler with the Bardstown Bosendorfer gig file, but alas those
days are over.
- Mark
did you try MrRay73?
It's a VST pulg-in for free but not open source. It work's for me
with xfst and with dssi-vst. You can find it here:
http://www.soundfonts.it/vst/MrRay73
thanks a bunch for the hint.
But to be honest, I prefer to stay open source and I'd like to avoid
using Wine (no, I'm not religious :) .
Best regards
ce
12:26 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Which is the best way to simulate a real piano under gnu/Linux? Here's my proposal.
On 12/13/05, Cesare Marilungo <cesare(a)poeticstudios.com> wrote:
So far I have a nice (but not impressive) soundfont
downloaded here:
http://www.hum.aau.dk/~bovbjerg/piano4.html
I'm on a 64k isdn connection so I can't download and try every free
sample on the net.
While experimenting to achieve a more natural sound I tried
dssi_convolve with some IRs downloaded from noisevault.com and got a
nicer result.
Now, I've just been inspired by the Florian Shmidth dssi_convolve entry
on his blog and I decided to create an om patch with everything I need
to have a realistic piano, with:
- the samples already loaded when I open the patch (I think I can use
fluidsynth-dssi, with a good soundfont);
- the patch will send the notes to two different responses according to
the state of the damper pedal (I'm not sure this could be done with om);
- it would be great to simulate also the resonance of other notes when
the damper pedal is pressed or other keys are already pressed;
- it would be great also to simulate a true hammer action;
I think it would be good for the community to have something similar or
better than the Steinberg The Grand VSTi. What's your opinion? Can you
help me?
Or I am doing something that's already been done? In this case, where
can I find it?
Regards,
c.
-
www.cesaremarilungo.com
I have found great piano soundfonts here:
http://www.ibiblio.org/thammer/HammerSound/
There's a really good Steinway. Load that into qsynth, and you're off.
--chris reisor
12:47 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Which is the best way to simulate a real piano under gnu/Linux? Here's my proposal.
Chris Reisor wrote:
On 12/13/05, Cesare Marilungo
<cesare(a)poeticstudios.com> wrote:
As I said, I'm on a 64k connection (DSL is not available where I live).
I've already downloaded a sf file from there (Steinway_Model_C_sf2.zip,
30Mb) but, at least with qsynth, I get a very poor sounds and some
adjacent notes seem to come from different directions, or from different
distances. Maybe it's a software problem, but the soundfont from the
link in my original message doesn't have this problem.
Could you please point me at a direct url for the file?
c.
So far I have a nice (but not impressive)
soundfont downloaded here:
http://www.hum.aau.dk/~bovbjerg/piano4.html
I'm on a 64k isdn connection so I can't download and try every free
sample on the net.
While experimenting to achieve a more natural sound I tried
dssi_convolve with some IRs downloaded from noisevault.com and got a
nicer result.
Now, I've just been inspired by the Florian Shmidth dssi_convolve entry
on his blog and I decided to create an om patch with everything I need
to have a realistic piano, with:
- the samples already loaded when I open the patch (I think I can use
fluidsynth-dssi, with a good soundfont);
- the patch will send the notes to two different responses according to
the state of the damper pedal (I'm not sure this could be done with om);
- it would be great to simulate also the resonance of other notes when
the damper pedal is pressed or other keys are already pressed;
- it would be great also to simulate a true hammer action;
I think it would be good for the community to have something similar or
better than the Steinberg The Grand VSTi. What's your opinion? Can you
help me?
Or I am doing something that's already been done? In this case, where
can I find it?
Regards,
c.
-
www.cesaremarilungo.com
I have found great piano soundfonts here:
http://www.ibiblio.org/thammer/HammerSound/
There's a really good Steinway. Load that into qsynth, and you're off.
--chris reisor
1:22 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Which is the best way to simulate a real piano under gnu/Linux? Here's my proposal.
On 12/14/05, Cesare Marilungo <cesare(a)poeticstudios.com> wrote:
Chris Reisor wrote:
Wow 64k is a lot faster than my dialup. (Which is why I download my
soundfonts and samples at work. Just don't tell the I.T. guys...oh
wait, I am the I.T. guys...)
Crap. The one I think I was referring to doesn't appear to be
available for free anymore. But you can get it for $5 here:
http://www.pianosounds.com/index.htm
Here's a free one that people reviewed well. It's the "Stereo Grand
Piano"
http://www.hammersound.net/cgi-bin/soundlink_download2.pl/Download%20USA;SG…
On 12/13/05, Cesare Marilungo
<cesare(a)poeticstudios.com> wrote:
As I said, I'm on a 64k connection (DSL is not available where I live).
I've already downloaded a sf file from there (Steinway_Model_C_sf2.zip,
30Mb) but, at least with qsynth, I get a very poor sounds and some
adjacent notes seem to come from different directions, or from different
distances. Maybe it's a software problem, but the soundfont from the
link in my original message doesn't have this problem.
Could you please point me at a direct url for the file?
c.
So far I have a nice (but not impressive)
soundfont downloaded here:
http://www.hum.aau.dk/~bovbjerg/piano4.html
I'm on a 64k isdn connection so I can't download and try every free
sample on the net.
While experimenting to achieve a more natural sound I tried
dssi_convolve with some IRs downloaded from noisevault.com and got a
nicer result.
Now, I've just been inspired by the Florian Shmidth dssi_convolve entry
on his blog and I decided to create an om patch with everything I need
to have a realistic piano, with:
- the samples already loaded when I open the patch (I think I can use
fluidsynth-dssi, with a good soundfont);
- the patch will send the notes to two different responses according to
the state of the damper pedal (I'm not sure this could be done with om);
- it would be great to simulate also the resonance of other notes when
the damper pedal is pressed or other keys are already pressed;
- it would be great also to simulate a true hammer action;
I think it would be good for the community to have something similar or
better than the Steinberg The Grand VSTi. What's your opinion? Can you
help me?
Or I am doing something that's already been done? In this case, where
can I find it?
Regards,
c.
-
www.cesaremarilungo.com
I have found great piano soundfonts here:
http://www.ibiblio.org/thammer/HammerSound/
There's a really good Steinway. Load that into qsynth, and you're off.
--chris reisor
1:24 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Which is the best way to simulate a real piano under gnu/Linux? Here's my proposal.
On Wed, 2005-14-12 at 08:26 -0800, Chris Reisor wrote:
On 12/13/05, Cesare Marilungo
<cesare(a)poeticstudios.com> wrote:
> - the patch will send the notes to two different responses according to
> the state of the damper pedal (I'm not sure this could be done with om);
This will be possible in the MIDI domain with the new version (currently
in CVS) which has MIDI patching (unfortunately there's no plugin spec
that can handle MIDI input and output yet).
You'd still be able to do it just with some simple multiplication (or
maybe a switch plugin), assuming you can get a boolean signal (0, 1)
from the damper pedal.
Let me know how it goes.
-DR-
2:09 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Which is the best way to simulate a real piano under gnu/Linux? Here's my proposal.
Dave Robillard wrote:
On Wed, 2005-14-12 at 08:26 -0800, Chris Reisor wrote:
Ok. So I need to try the CVS version. But I'm also having problems with
DSSI plugins. Om doesn't see them. I compiled it myself with
--enable-dssi (and the configure script does find dssi.h) and set the
correct DSSI_PATH, but I can't see them in the plugins list.
I also need to filter incoming midi notes and to trigger other samples
according to the situation. Maybe I can study om MIDI plugins API and
code a plugin with everything I need.
Thank you,
c
On 12/13/05, Cesare Marilungo
<cesare(a)poeticstudios.com> wrote:
>- the patch will send the notes to two different responses according to
>the state of the damper pedal (I'm not sure this could be done with om);
>
>
This will be possible in the MIDI domain with the new version (currently
in CVS) which has MIDI patching (unfortunately there's no plugin spec
that can handle MIDI input and output yet).
You'd still be able to do it just with some simple multiplication (or
maybe a switch plugin), assuming you can get a boolean signal (0, 1)
from the damper pedal.
Let me know how it goes.
-DR-
16 Dec
16 Dec
1:50 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Which is the best way to simulate a real piano under gnu/Linux? Here's my proposal.
Dave Robillard wrote:
On Wed, 2005-14-12 at 08:26 -0800, Chris Reisor wrote:
I'm having some issues with the CVS version of om-synth (on Slackware
10.2 with all the latest gtk* libs compiled from source):
- I had to compile --with-alsa-midi, because the configure script was
asking for a midiport.h header inside jack includes, but it doesn't seem
to exists (but the 0.2.0 version works with jack). Maybe, something has
changed in jack support?
- om starts. om_gtk crashes with a segmentation fault error as soon as I
try to open a patch to edit.
Can you help me?
Thanks in advance,
c.
On 12/13/05, Cesare Marilungo
<cesare(a)poeticstudios.com> wrote:
>- the patch will send the notes to two different responses according to
>the state of the damper pedal (I'm not sure this could be done with om);
>
>
This will be possible in the MIDI domain with the new version (currently
in CVS) which has MIDI patching (unfortunately there's no plugin spec
that can handle MIDI input and output yet).
You'd still be able to do it just with some simple multiplication (or
maybe a switch plugin), assuming you can get a boolean signal (0, 1)
from the damper pedal.
Let me know how it goes.
-DR-
11:12 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Which is the best way to simulate a real piano under gnu/Linux? Here's my proposal.
On 12/17/05, Cesare Marilungo <cesare(a)poeticstudios.com> wrote:
Dave Robillard wrote:
same problem here. Is this a jack midi vs alsa midi issue?
Loki
On Wed, 2005-14-12 at 08:26 -0800, Chris Reisor
wrote:
I'm having some issues with the CVS version of om-synth (on Slackware
10.2 with all the latest gtk* libs compiled from source):
- I had to compile --with-alsa-midi, because the configure script was
asking for a midiport.h header inside jack includes, but it doesn't seem
to exists (but the 0.2.0 version works with jack). Maybe, something has
changed in jack support?
- om starts. om_gtk crashes with a segmentation fault error as soon as I
try to open a patch to edit.
Can you help me?
Thanks in advance,
c.
On 12/13/05, Cesare Marilungo
<cesare(a)poeticstudios.com> wrote:
>- the patch will send the notes to two different responses according to
>the state of the damper pedal (I'm not sure this could be done with om);
>
>
This will be possible in the MIDI domain with the new version (currently
in CVS) which has MIDI patching (unfortunately there's no plugin spec
that can handle MIDI input and output yet).
You'd still be able to do it just with some simple multiplication (or
maybe a switch plugin), assuming you can get a boolean signal (0, 1)
from the damper pedal.
Let me know how it goes.
-DR-
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