31 Mar
2003
31 Mar
'03
6:40 p.m.
Hello,
I'm am sure this is off topic but I am desparately seeking help.
I am trying to figure out how the mixer/preamp/input card will coincide
with each other.
If I have a card with 4 inputs (either midiman digital or SB lives), I
will be needing preamps. I looked at the M-Audio Audio Buddy, which seems
like it simply has 2 XLR inputs and 2 1/4" outputs. That part is
straightforward and I understand.
However, I was looking at mixers and I got lost. I looked at a Eurorack
(cant remember which model) for around $170. It had 4 XLR inputs, and the
box said it had 4 mic preamp inputs. But, how do the outputs work? I was
looking for 4 1/4" jacks marked "output 1" "output 2" and so
forth. Where
am I lost?
Please forgive me for asking such newbie questions. I simply do not know
where else to turn. I've searched the net high and low and didn't find the
answers.
Thank you very much in advance,
Bryan
31 Mar
31 Mar
7:41 p.m.
On Mon, 31 Mar 2003 13:31:02 -0800 (PST)
Bryan Koschmann - GKT <gktnews(a)gktech.net> wrote:
I am trying to figure out how the mixer/preamp/input
card will coincide
with each other.
However, I was looking at mixers and I got lost. I looked at a Eurorack
(cant remember which model) for around $170. It had 4 XLR inputs, and the
box said it had 4 mic preamp inputs. But, how do the outputs work? I was
looking for 4 1/4" jacks marked "output 1" "output 2" and so
forth. Where
am I lost?
I have a larger Behrenger Eurorack mixer (the 2004) and it has main
output L/R and alt output L/R on the back. My guess is that you're looking
at a mixer that only has one pair of outputs, so whatever the number
of inputs to the mixer, you'll only ever have the pair of outputs going
into the soundcard - but for an initial foray into recording, that's
going to be just fine.
I know you had an idea of getting multiple soundcards and recording
multiple tracks at once... while that seems like a good idea, the reality
is that you have to have more expensive cards that sync up with each
other to have that work.
At this point, and given your low budget, I'd suggest that you look at
putting the money into the mixer and the mics. If you get a mixer with
4 outputs (look for the keywords "4 buses") then when you get a better
sound card like the Delta44 that will handle 4 inputs at once, you'll be
ready for it. A decent mixer will also give you the phantom power that
you'll want when you start buying some nicer mics that need it.
Good luck!
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8:29 p.m.
Bryan,
What you want is a mixer with per channel direct outs. I believe
Behringer has an 8 channel with direct outs for $250 US. You can buy a
cheap Behringer two channel mixer and pan the outputs from each track
full left and right and then use the L/R outputs as input to two of your
channels. I actually have one of these little $60 wonders around and
that works fine. I also recently bought an Art TPS (Tube Preamp
System). This is a two channel tube mic/instrument preamp. It cost
$180 US and I use it with my condenser mics to warm things up a bit. I
also use it live for my vocals and harp. It's not the greatest but it's
not bad.
Jan
On Mon, 2003-03-31 at 15:31, Bryan Koschmann - GKT wrote:
Hello,
I'm am sure this is off topic but I am desparately seeking help.
I am trying to figure out how the mixer/preamp/input card will coincide
with each other.
If I have a card with 4 inputs (either midiman digital or SB lives), I
will be needing preamps. I looked at the M-Audio Audio Buddy, which seems
like it simply has 2 XLR inputs and 2 1/4" outputs. That part is
straightforward and I understand.
However, I was looking at mixers and I got lost. I looked at a Eurorack
(cant remember which model) for around $170. It had 4 XLR inputs, and the
box said it had 4 mic preamp inputs. But, how do the outputs work? I was
looking for 4 1/4" jacks marked "output 1" "output 2" and so
forth. Where
am I lost?
Please forgive me for asking such newbie questions. I simply do not know
where else to turn. I've searched the net high and low and didn't find the
answers.
Thank you very much in advance,
Bryan
1 Apr
1 Apr
4:46 a.m.
On Mon, Mar 31, 2003 at 04:54:39PM -0600, Jan Evil Twin Depner wrote:
Bryan,
What you want is a mixer with per channel direct outs.
That's the ideal solution if you have it...
You can buy a
cheap Behringer two channel mixer and pan the outputs from each track
full left and right and then use the L/R outputs as input to two of your
channels.
That works for two channels, and you can use the aux sends for more
channels but it's very messy.
Another likely possibility is the the channels have insert points - these
are TRS (tip-ring-sleeve) jacks for inserting an effects unit into the
channel. The tip is the send contact, and the ring is the return. If you
plug an ordinary mono jack into the insert point, you will get a signal
from the mixer's preamp output that you can use as a direct output. Note
that the channel fader (certainly) and EQ (probably) will have no effect,
but the input gain ("trim"?) control will still work.
I used this method successfully until I upgraded my mixer to one with
direct per-channel outputs.
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4:56 a.m.
Jan,
That was a big help! I have been hunting around looking at Behringer and I
think I'm going to *try* and get the 8 channel, but if not that is a great
idea. Does that two channel have preamp mic?
Hey, maybe you can give me some feedback on this. Right now my girlfriend
and I both play instruments. Well me sort of, as I just started the
violin. Anyway, I want to have a tuner at each of our music stands
(especially mine since I cant tune by ear just yet, plus it's just nice to
have). I have mics at each stand as well. The tuners have 1/4" inputs, so
I was thinking of running the mics to the mixer, then Y-ing the output,
one to the input on the computer, one back to the tuner. Do you think this
would have a very negative effect, or maybe there is a better way?
Also, one last question, although I am sincerely grateful for all your
help, is do you have any opinions on Tobiah's input on the mics? I
understand the need for such high-end mics, but at what point will I start
noticing a difference?
Thank you again, very very much!
Bryan
|Bryan,
|
| What you want is a mixer with per channel direct outs. I believe
|Behringer has an 8 channel with direct outs for $250 US. You can buy a
|cheap Behringer two channel mixer and pan the outputs from each track
|full left and right and then use the L/R outputs as input to two of your
|channels. I actually have one of these little $60 wonders around and
|that works fine. I also recently bought an Art TPS (Tube Preamp
|System). This is a two channel tube mic/instrument preamp. It cost
|$180 US and I use it with my condenser mics to warm things up a bit. I
|also use it live for my vocals and harp. It's not the greatest but it's
|not bad.
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