27 Aug
2014
27 Aug
'14
11:05 a.m.
Booted live KXStudio 14.04 DVD. Cadence started JACK, pointed uselessly
at the onboard audio. I pointed it at my USB sound card with the same
settings I use normally. Started Zyn. It visibly made sound (Zyn's
indicator), but no sound came out. (I found nothing in Cadence to
connect Zyn to JACK. But then I don't know Cadence.) I ran KMixer and
audio volume was up for the USB card. So I said, Oh, well, guess it
doesn't work with Zyn. (Not the first time I've had problems with Zyn
and JACK, I much prefer Yoshimi.) So I close Zyn. After which Cadence
reports that JACK server is stopped. Restarting JACK or even force
restarting a JACK restart using Cadence gives me no audio devices to
pick from.
KXStudio isn't ready for this user yet, I guess.
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27 Aug
27 Aug
12:06 p.m.
On 08/27/2014 10:05 AM, david wrote:
Booted live KXStudio 14.04 DVD. Cadence started JACK,
pointed
uselessly at the onboard audio. I pointed it at my USB sound card with
the same settings I use normally. Started Zyn. It visibly made sound
(Zyn's indicator), but no sound came out. (I found nothing in Cadence
to connect Zyn to JACK. But then I don't know Cadence.) I ran KMixer
and audio volume was up for the USB card. So I said, Oh, well, guess
it doesn't work with Zyn. (Not the first time I've had problems with
Zyn and JACK, I much prefer Yoshimi.) So I close Zyn. After which
Cadence reports that JACK server is stopped. Restarting JACK or even
force restarting a JACK restart using Cadence gives me no audio
devices to pick from.
KXStudio isn't ready for this user yet, I guess.
I don't remember getting a bug report about this, unless this counts as one?
In any case, the Zyn in the kxstudio repos does not auto-connect to
system outputs.
This is so it can be safely used in a session manager environment.
The 14.04 ISO is a bit old now.
There has been some serious Cadence improvements and a new Zyn release
since then.
A new ISO will be released in a few days.
28 Aug
28 Aug
9:41 a.m.
On 08/27/2014 12:06 AM, Filipe Coelho wrote:
On 08/27/2014 10:05 AM, david wrote:
Zynn in Debian autoconnects to JACK, but I have to connect it manually
(that's the way I like it) within JACK.
Booted live KXStudio 14.04 DVD. Cadence started
JACK, pointed
uselessly at the onboard audio. I pointed it at my USB sound card with
the same settings I use normally. Started Zyn. It visibly made sound
(Zyn's indicator), but no sound came out. (I found nothing in Cadence
to connect Zyn to JACK. But then I don't know Cadence.) I ran KMixer
and audio volume was up for the USB card. So I said, Oh, well, guess
it doesn't work with Zyn. (Not the first time I've had problems with
Zyn and JACK, I much prefer Yoshimi.) So I close Zyn. After which
Cadence reports that JACK server is stopped. Restarting JACK or even
force restarting a JACK restart using Cadence gives me no audio
devices to pick from.
KXStudio isn't ready for this user yet, I guess.
I don't remember getting a bug report about this, unless this counts as one?
In any case, the Zyn in the kxstudio repos does not auto-connect to
system outputs. This is so it can be safely used in a session manager
environment.
OK, makes sense. So how DO you connect Zynn using JACK in KXStudio to
your desired audio outputs?
The 14.04 ISO is a bit old now.
There has been some serious Cadence improvements and a new Zyn release
since then.
A new ISO will be released in a few days.
OK. The one I downloaded was 14.04b.
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9:58 a.m.
On 08/28/2014 08:41 AM, david wrote:
The new ISO should be released in 2 weeks tops I hope.
Most things are ready, I just need to update a few packages and do some
testing.
On 08/27/2014 12:06 AM, Filipe Coelho wrote:
You can still use qjackctl, but its jackdbus support is not that great.
Plus it tends to stop jack when closed...
Cadence includes the Catia and Claudia tools to manage connections (see
Cadence tools tab).
Catia is the simple version that only does the basic stuff,
Claudia is a frontend to LADISH (a session manager) which is obviously a
bit more complex.
These tools are described into a bit more detail here:
http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/Applications
In any case, the Zyn in the kxstudio repos does
not auto-connect to
system outputs.
Zynn in Debian autoconnects to JACK, but I have to connect it
manually
(that's the way I like it) within JACK.
This is so it can be safely used in a session
manager environment.
OK, makes sense. So how DO you connect Zynn using JACK in
KXStudio to
your desired audio outputs? The 14.04 ISO
is a bit old now.
There has been some serious Cadence improvements and a new Zyn release
since then.
A new ISO will be released in a few days.
OK. The one I downloaded was 14.04b.
30 Aug
30 Aug
10:25 a.m.
On 08/27/2014 09:58 PM, Filipe Coelho wrote:
The new ISO should be released in 2 weeks tops I hope.
Most things are ready, I just need to update a few packages and do some
testing.
Will have to try that out. Thanks for updates!
--
David W. Jones
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
http://dancingtreefrog.com
On 08/28/2014 08:41 AM, david wrote:
Hmm, guess that's never bothered me. When I run JACK, I start it with
QJackCtrl. When I'm done with QJackCtl, I'm also done with JACK. But,
oddly enough, the times I've forgotten to STOP Jack before closing
QJackCtl, it left JACK running just fine.
On 08/27/2014 12:06 AM, Filipe Coelho wrote:
You can still use qjackctl, but its jackdbus support is not that great.
Plus it tends to stop jack when closed... In any case, the Zyn in the kxstudio repos does
not auto-connect to
system outputs.
Zynn in Debian autoconnects to JACK, but I have to connect it
manually
(that's the way I like it) within JACK.
This is so it can be safely used in a session
manager environment.
OK, makes sense. So how DO you connect Zynn using JACK in
KXStudio to
your desired audio outputs? Cadence includes the Catia and Claudia tools to manage
connections (see
Cadence tools tab).
Catia is the simple version that only does the basic stuff,
Claudia is a frontend to LADISH (a session manager) which is obviously a
bit more complex.
These tools are described into a bit more detail here:
http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/Applications
Sounds silly to me. Have to run yet another application to do something
that QJackCtl does in a subwindow? Although Claudia sounds useful.
The 14.04 ISO is a bit old now.
There has been some serious Cadence improvements and a new Zyn release
since then.
A new ISO will be released in a few days.
OK. The one I downloaded was 14.04b.
31 Aug
31 Aug
2:16 a.m.
On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 1:25 AM, david <gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
[snip]
Cadence includes the Catia and Claudia tools to manage connections (see
It's not silly, it's just proposing a different workflow. One of the cool
things about Cadence (for me at least) you can easily set it up to start
jack by default when you login -- you don't have to open anything in the
next login, not even Cadence itself. Thanks to the available bridges (which
also can auto-start), you can also have a2jmidi and pulseaudio jack sink
starting and running automatically.
In short, it is one *less* application to open -- I simply no longer need
QJackCtl in most cases. And whenever I need to connect something manually,
*then* I open Catia, the simple interface that is there just to for that
purpose.
This set-up is particularly useful when I'm dealing with a group of ten or
more students in a class or workshop, with 99% of people trying Linux for
the first time. It is so much easier to be able to go straight to
SuperCollider or Ardour or Hydrogen, bypassing completely any initial set
up or talk about Jack -- especially when time is so short. Later, when more
complex routing needs arise, that's often the best time to introduce the
talk about Jack.
My 2 cents,
Bruno
Cadence tools tab).
Catia is the simple version that only does the basic stuff,
Claudia is a frontend to LADISH (a session manager) which is obviously a
bit more complex.
These tools are described into a bit more detail here:
http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/Applications
Sounds silly to me. Have to run yet another application to do something
that QJackCtl does in a subwindow? Although Claudia sounds useful.
3:25 a.m.
On 31/08/14 06:01, Bruno Ruviaro wrote:
On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 1:25 AM, david
<gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
<mailto:gnome@hawaii.rr.com>> wrote:
[snip]
Cadence includes the Catia and Claudia tools to manage
connections (see
Cadence tools tab).
Catia is the simple version that only does the basic stuff,
Claudia is a frontend to LADISH (a session manager) which is
obviously a
bit more complex.
These tools are described into a bit more detail here:
http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/Applications
Sounds silly to me. Have to run yet another application to do
something that QJackCtl does in a subwindow? Although Claudia
sounds useful.
It's not silly, it's just proposing a different workflow. One of the
cool things about Cadence (for me at least) you can easily set it up
to start jack by default when you login -- you don't have to open
anything in the next login, not even Cadence itself. Thanks to the
available bridges (which also can auto-start), you can also have
a2jmidi and pulseaudio jack sink starting and running automatically.
And you can have QJackCtl automatically start when you login as well
(which is what I do.) I still can't see any reason why Cadence is an
improvement.... (Not arguing, trying to understand.)
Dale.
3:45 a.m.
On 08/30/2014 03:24 PM, Kazakore wrote:
On 31/08/14 06:01, Bruno Ruviaro wrote:
I found Cadence confusing in that area. I think it should default to
maybe the simple connection tool running inside the Cadence window, with
an option setting to make the advanced one the default. Or something
like that.
My computers are all general-purpose ones, not audio-dedicated, so I
don't want JACK starting automatically. But session management would
speed things up.
One thing I liked about Musix 2 were the demos it had setup. You clicked
an icon, it started up a bunch of programs (for example, JACK, Hydrogen,
Qsynth or Zyn, and Rosegarden with a composition open), and everything
would start playing when you hit play in RG's transport ... I think they
do it through scripts?
--
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gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
http://dancingtreefrog.com
On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 1:25 AM, david
<gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
<mailto:gnome@hawaii.rr.com>> wrote:
[snip]
Cadence includes the Catia and Claudia tools to manage
connections (see
Cadence tools tab).
Catia is the simple version that only does the basic stuff,
Claudia is a frontend to LADISH (a session manager) which is
obviously a
bit more complex.
These tools are described into a bit more detail here:
http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/Applications
Sounds silly to me. Have to run yet another application to do
something that QJackCtl does in a subwindow? Although Claudia
sounds useful.
It's not silly, it's just proposing a different workflow. One of the
cool things about Cadence (for me at least) you can easily set it up
to start jack by default when you login -- you don't have to open
anything in the next login, not even Cadence itself. Thanks to the
available bridges (which also can auto-start), you can also have
a2jmidi and pulseaudio jack sink starting and running automatically.
And you can have QJackCtl automatically start when you login as well
(which is what I do.) I still can't see any reason why Cadence is an
improvement.... (Not arguing, trying to understand.) 
27 Aug
27 Aug
2:58 p.m.
Have you checked to ensure jack plugins for your app, if available are
installed and enabled? Also many pgms don't show in jack patchbay until
they are up and running and they disappear when audio stops.
FWIW
On 14-08-27 04:05 AM, david wrote:
Booted live KXStudio 14.04 DVD. Cadence started JACK,
pointed
uselessly at the onboard audio. I pointed it at my USB sound card with
the same settings I use normally. Started Zyn. It visibly made sound
(Zyn's indicator), but no sound came out. (I found nothing in Cadence
to connect Zyn to JACK. But then I don't know Cadence.) I ran KMixer
and audio volume was up for the USB card. So I said, Oh, well, guess
it doesn't work with Zyn. (Not the first time I've had problems with
Zyn and JACK, I much prefer Yoshimi.) So I close Zyn. After which
Cadence reports that JACK server is stopped. Restarting JACK or even
force restarting a JACK restart using Cadence gives me no audio
devices to pick from.
KXStudio isn't ready for this user yet, I guess.
28 Aug
28 Aug
9:37 a.m.
With Cadence, I see no patchbay or any other way to connect anything. On
my Debian system, with QTJackCtl, Zynn shows up in the QJackCtl
Connections window the moment I start it, I connect it, whether or not
it's making any sound. Yoshimi works likewise. When I close Zynn, Jack
stays running with no problems.
Maybe the problem is Cadence?
On 08/27/2014 02:57 AM, VE4PER / Andy wrote:
Have you checked to ensure jack plugins for your app,
if available are
installed and enabled? Also many pgms don't show in jack patchbay until
they are up and running and they disappear when audio stops.
FWIW
On 14-08-27 04:05 AM, david wrote:
> Booted live KXStudio 14.04 DVD. Cadence started JACK, pointed
> uselessly at the onboard audio. I pointed it at my USB sound card with
> the same settings I use normally. Started Zyn. It visibly made sound
> (Zyn's indicator), but no sound came out. (I found nothing in Cadence
> to connect Zyn to JACK. But then I don't know Cadence.) I ran KMixer
> and audio volume was up for the USB card. So I said, Oh, well, guess
> it doesn't work with Zyn. (Not the first time I've had problems with
> Zyn and JACK, I much prefer Yoshimi.) So I close Zyn. After which
> Cadence reports that JACK server is stopped. Restarting JACK or even
> force restarting a JACK restart using Cadence gives me no audio
> devices to pick from.
>
> KXStudio isn't ready for this user yet, I guess.
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