28 Jul
2005
28 Jul
'05
4:19 p.m.
I think I'm really missing something here. Maybe someone can shed some
light on this for me.
The Ardour web site says "Ardour is not a sound file editor."
Isn't editing sound files a big part of the process of getting music
from the instrument to the CD? Before using Ardour, I spent lots of
time with Audacity which, though very limited in many of the features
that make Ardour so powerful, is a very powerful and intuitive sound
file editor for many of the basic editing jobs you end up doing after
the musicians have gone home and you are stuck with what you recorded.
For instance, you need to amplify a small section of a track (more than
the 12 dB you can get with Ardour's envelope and mixer gains). Or you
want to apply an effect or plug-in to just a portion of a track.
First of all, (please correct me if I'm wrong) Ardour says it is trying
to be a Pro-Tools type application but I can't imagine that Pro-Tools
doesn't have built-in sound file editing.
So what do you folks use and what is your method when you need to do
editing (I assume, outside of Ardour)?
Mike
Mike Jewell
One-Up Audio
28 Jul
28 Jul
4:34 p.m.
Mike Jewell wrote:
The Ardour web site says "Ardour is not a sound
file editor."
Isn't editing sound files a big part of the process of getting music
from the instrument to the CD? Before using Ardour, I spent lots of
time with Audacity which, though very limited in many of the features
that make Ardour so powerful, is a very powerful and intuitive sound
file editor for many of the basic editing jobs you end up doing after
the musicians have gone home and you are stuck with what you recorded.
For instance, you need to amplify a small section of a track (more than
the 12 dB you can get with Ardour's envelope and mixer gains). Or you
want to apply an effect or plug-in to just a portion of a track.
First of all, (please correct me if I'm wrong) Ardour says it is trying
to be a Pro-Tools type application but I can't imagine that Pro-Tools
doesn't have built-in sound file editing.
So what do you folks use and what is your method when you need to do
editing (I assume, outside of Ardour)?
I use either Audacity or Rezound for actual editing of sound files. I
believe you can configure Ardour to open an application to edit the
actual WAV used for a playlist. Ardour doesn't need this capability
built-in, I don't think. Let Ardour do what it does best and let
Audacity or Rezound do what they do best... and integrating these
applications via Jack is the way to go, IMHO!
-- Brett
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4:35 p.m.
The Ardour web site says "Ardour is not a sound
file editor."
Isn't editing sound files a big part of the process of getting music
from the instrument to the CD? Before using Ardour, I spent lots of
we've discussed this a lot on #ardour.
some people think we should take some existing ardour widgets and use
them for soundfile editing.
some people point out that audacity/rezound/sweep/snd are way more
advanced than anything we could do in any reasonable time. in fact, as
you point out:
[...] Audacity which, though very limited in many of
the features
that make Ardour so powerful, is a very powerful and intuitive sound
file editor for many of the basic editing jobs you end up doing after
the musicians have gone home and you are stuck with what you recorded.
and if you tried snd, your mind might melt down as you began to
understand what it could do :)
For instance, you need to amplify a small section of a
track (more than
the 12 dB you can get with Ardour's envelope and mixer gains). Or you
you might want to check out the contex menu for regions and its
"normalize" option.
First of all, (please correct me if I'm wrong)
Ardour says it is trying
to be a Pro-Tools type application but I can't imagine that Pro-Tools
doesn't have built-in sound file editing.
it does, but compared to soundforge or bias peak or even cooledit, it
sucks eggs. and since we're not here to try to make lots of money and
lock you into our tools, it doesn't make much sense to to compete with
existing editors.
the preferred solution is to see ardour be able to fork off your
preferred editor to work on a given region. this will be implemented
post-2.0.
for now, to do something vaguely equivalent, context-click on a region
and select "export". edit the resulting file, reimport it into ardour.
not very convenient as far as workflow, hence our other plans.
5:09 p.m.
Paul Davis wrote:
the preferred solution is to see ardour be able to
fork off your
preferred editor to work on a given region. this will be implemented
post-2.0.
I thought this capability already existed...
-- Brett
-----------
Programmer by day, Guitarist by Night
http://www.chapelperilous.net
http://www.alhazred.com
http://www.revelmoon.com
8:20 p.m.
On Thu, 2005-07-28 at 14:35 -0400, Paul Davis wrote:
Yes, that probably solves the amplify need.
That is very educational for me. (Isn't almost everything? 8^) )
some people point out that audacity/rezound/sweep/snd are way more
advanced than anything we could do in any reasonable time. in fact, as
you point out:
I'll do it. Thanks for the pointer.
[...] Audacity which, though very limited in many
of the features
that make Ardour so powerful, is a very powerful and intuitive sound
file editor for many of the basic editing jobs you end up doing after
the musicians have gone home and you are stuck with what you recorded.
and if you tried snd, your mind might melt down as you began to
understand what it could do :) For instance, you need to amplify a small section
of a track (more than
the 12 dB you can get with Ardour's envelope and mixer gains). Or you
you might want to check out the contex menu for regions and its
"normalize" option.
First of all,
(please correct me if I'm wrong) Ardour says it is trying
to be a Pro-Tools type application but I can't imagine that Pro-Tools
doesn't have built-in sound file editing.
it does, but compared to soundforge or bias peak or even cooledit, it
sucks eggs. and since we're not here to try to make lots of money and
lock you into our tools, it doesn't make much sense to to compete with
existing editors.
the preferred solution is to see ardour be able to fork off your
preferred editor to work on a given region. this will be implemented
post-2.0.
Yes, I did read about that in one of the feature requests in Mantis. I
agree with your logic as long as the various tools can be made to work
well together.
for now, to do something vaguely equivalent, context-click on a region
and select "export". edit the resulting file, reimport it into ardour.
not very convenient as far as workflow, hence our other plans.
That's what I've been doing but it's a pain since Jack grabs my sound
card and so Audacity can't use it unless I stop Jack. Maybe there is
some way for Jack and Non-JACK-aware apps to share a sound card. I'm
quite un-knowledgeable in that area.
Also, when exporting, editing, importing like that should I use a larger
number sample format (24 bit or 32 bit) to avoid losing information?
Thanks again all who replied.
Mike
Mike Jewell
One-Up Audio
29 Jul
29 Jul
12:24 p.m.
On Thu, 2005-07-28 at 14:35 -0400, Paul Davis wrote:
some people point out that audacity/rezound/sweep/snd
are way more
advanced than anything we could do in any reasonable time. in fact, as
you point out:
Yeah! I just looked at the snd web site. Looks really impressive.
I'll give it a try.
Mike
[...] Audacity which, though very limited in many
of the features
that make Ardour so powerful, is a very powerful and intuitive sound
file editor for many of the basic editing jobs you end up doing after
the musicians have gone home and you are stuck with what you recorded.
and if you tried snd, your mind might melt down as you began to
understand what it could do :)
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