On 7/25/12 10:15 AM, hermann meyer wrote: Ah ok.. Thanks for the bug report. I'll look into it.. Flo

On Wed, 2012-07-25 at 14:45 +0200, SxDx wrote: It would be great, if Android would get more attention for audio and hopefully it will become easy to hack an iPad to get Android with audio software there too. :)

On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 16:01:30 +0200 (CEST) SxDx <sed(a)free.fr> wrote: kind of OT, but since it came up... is it possible to install a linux of choice on an android device? I guess the problem is they keep some drivers in the kernel (like for the sensors) closed source? renato

On Wed, 2012-07-25 at 16:01 +0200, SxDx wrote: It's beyond the pale that we today have all the communication technology Gene Roddenberry (August 19, 1921 – October 24, 1991) just could dream about, but the way it could be used today is weak. This technology just to twitter? Something completely went wrong ;). 2 Cents, Ralf

On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Neil C Smith <neil(a)neilcsmith.net> wrote: not according to one company that i know is working with it.

On Wed, 2012-07-25 at 10:45 -0400, Paul Davis wrote: Very common in Germany is to sell Android 1.6 tablet PCs for < 100,-EUR at discount supermarkets in 2012.

On 07/25/2012 04:31 PM, Neil C Smith wrote: Note though, that in this example program, while the audio output is rendered in C, the final pass to the AudioDevice goes through java (the java code calls the JNI code to render into a buffer). But since under the android OS, there's just a linux system, it should be possible (maybe with root access and some hackery) to access the ALSA layer directly. And then it only depends on the audio hardware in the device. Flo

On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 5:57 PM, Patrick Shirkey &lt;pshirkey(a)boosthardware.com if i had know what they had planned 4 years ago, maybe i'd have said yes when they tried to recruit me :)

On 26/07/12 12:01 AM, SxDx wrote: Thankfully, Google is starting to pay some attention to this. With Android 4.1 (Jelly Bean), latency on the Galaxy Nexus is meant to be about 12ms: http://createdigitalmusic.com/2012/07/android-high-performance-audio-in-4-1… I have a Galaxy Nexus and 4.1, but I'm yet to find any apps that make full use of the improved latency, so I can't say for sure how much this helps yet, but it's still sounds like a big step in the right direction. Unfortunately, it'll be some time before Google's efforts here filter down to your typical Android device, since it requires attention from device-makers, not just in terms of actually getting Jelly Bean on devices, but also in ensuring that their hardware drivers are up to the challenge. Thanks Leigh

"It's beyond the pale that we today have all the communication technology Gene Roddenberry (August 19, 1921 – October 24, 1991) just could dream about, but the way it could be used today is weak." +1000. I would not say I am against Twitter, rather against all those patents and copyrights that just keep us in the dark ages of digital technology.

On 26 July 2012 20:43, S. Massy &lt;lists(a)wolfdream.ca&gt; wrote: Perhaps many of those things we've been dreaming of have turned out not to be so interesting in reality! :) N -- Neil C Smith Artist : Technologist : Adviser http://neilcsmith.net Praxis - open-source intermedia system for live creative play - http://code.google.com/p/praxis OpenEye - specialist web solutions for the cultural, education, charitable and local government sectors - http://openeye.info

On Thu, 2012-07-26 at 15:57 -0400, Paul Davis wrote: The truth is that you are right :(. But it shouldn't be that way. Regards, Ralf

I must admit I got lost a bit. What rules are we talking about?

On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Louigi Verona &lt;louigi.verona(a)gmail.com&gt;wrote;wrote: whatever S.Massy meant by " I often feel that we now have many of the tools we've been dreaming up for the last century and a half but are (most of us) too chicken to use them to their full potential and prefer clinging to superannuated ways." no idea specifically what those might be :)

On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 03:57:14PM -0400, Paul Davis wrote: I don't think this is necessarily about "young" vs. "mature" thinking; I think this has more to do with being a rational thinker vs. being a dreamer (not an anarchist, necessarily). I believe a society or community needs both in order to evolve in a meaningful direction. Cheers, S.M. --

On Thu, July 26, 2012 11:30 pm, Paul Davis wrote: The problem is that we have a select group/monopoly attempting to tell us what the rules are and forcing them on us at every opportunity. A curious side process is this same group often break their own rules to maintain their monopoly over telling us what the rules are. So that probably means there are no rules and we can just make them up as we go along to suit our current agenda. In this case I think George Carlin sums it up best: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-RGN21TSGk ====== George Carlin explains his theory on the creation of the ten commandments. Here is my problem with the ten commandments- why exactly are there 10? You simply do not need ten. The list of ten commandments was artificially and deliberately inflated to get it up to ten. Here's what happened: About 5,000 years ago a bunch of religious and political hustlers got together to try to figure out how to control people and keep them in line. They knew people were basically stupid and would believe anything they were told, so they announced that God had given them some commandments, up on a mountain, when no one was around. Well let me ask you this- when they were making this shit up, why did they pick 10? Why not 9 or 11? I'll tell you why- because 10 sound official. Ten sounds important! Ten is the basis for the decimal system, it's a decade, it's a psychologically satisfying number (the top ten, the ten most wanted, the ten best dressed). So having ten commandments was really a marketing decision! It is clearly a bullshit list. It's a political document artificially inflated to sell better. I will now show you how you can reduce the number of commandments and come up with a list that's a little more workable and logical. I am going to use the Roman Catholic version because those were the ones I was taught as a little boy. Let's start with the first three: I AM THE LORD THY GOD THOU SHALT NOT HAVE STRANGE GODS BEFORE ME THOU SHALT NOT TAKE THE NAME OF THE LORD THY GOD IN VAIN THOU SHALT KEEP HOLY THE SABBATH Right off the bat the first three are pure bullshit. Sabbath day? Lord's name? strange gods? Spooky language! Designed to scare and control primitive people. In no way does superstitious nonsense like this apply to the lives of intelligent civilized humans in the 21st century. So now we're down to 7. Next: HONOR THY FATHER AND MOTHER Obedience, respect for authority. Just another name for controlling people. The truth is that obedience and respect shouldn't be automatic. They should be earned and based on the parent's performance. Some parents deserve respect, but most of them don't, period. You're down to six. Now in the interest of logic, something religion is very uncomfortable with, we're going to jump around the list a little bit. THOU SHALT NOT STEAL THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS Stealing and lying. Well actually, these two both prohibit the same kind of behavior- dishonesty. So you don't really need two you combine them and call the commandment "thou shalt not be dishonest". And suddenly you're down to 5. And as long as we're combining I have two others that belong together: THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTRY THOU SHALT NOT COVET THY NEIGHBOR'S WIFE Once again, these two prohibit the same type of behavior. In this case it is marital infidelity. The difference is- coveting takes place in the mind. But I don't think you should outlaw fantasizing about someone else's wife because what is a guy gonna think about when he's waxing his carrot? But, marital infidelity is a good idea so we're gonna keep this one and call it "thou shalt not be unfaithful". And suddenly we're down to four. But when you think about it, honesty and infidelity are really part of the same overall value so, in truth, you could combine the two honesty commandments with the two fidelity commandments and give them simpler language, positive language instead of negative language and call the whole thing "thou shalt always be honest and faithful" and we're down to 3. THOU SHALT NOT COVET THY NEIGHBOR"S GOODS This one is just plain fuckin' stupid. Coveting your neighbor's goods is what keeps the economy going! Your neighbor gets a vibrator that plays "o come o ye faithful", and you want one too! Coveting creates jobs, so leave it alone. You throw out coveting and you're down to 2 now- the big honesty and fidelity commandment and the one we haven't talked about yet: THOU SHALT NOT KILL Murder. But when you think about it, religion has never really had a big problem with murder. More people have been killed in the name of god than for any other reason. All you have to do is look at Northern Ireland, Cashmire, the Inquisition, the Crusades, and the World Trade Center to see how seriously the religious folks take thou shalt not kill. The more devout they are, the more they see murder as being negotiable. It depends on who's doin the killin' and who's gettin' killed. So, with all of this in mind, I give you my revised list of the two commandments: Thou shalt always be honest and faithful to the provider of thy nookie. & Thou shalt try real hard not to kill anyone, unless of course they pray to a different invisible man than you. Two is all you need; Moses could have carried them down the hill in his fuckin' pocket. I wouldn't mind those folks in Alabama posting them on the courthouse wall, as long as they provided one additional commandment: Thou shalt keep thy religion to thyself. ====== -- Patrick Shirkey Boost Hardware Ltd

On Thu, July 26, 2012 11:55 pm, Paul Davis wrote: Embace, extend, extinguish... Did it to Moog, Fender, countless other small but successful music businesses have been absorbed and spat out the other side. Audioflinger is balanced on the edge. They need to decide if they want to enable or disable. -- Patrick Shirkey Boost Hardware Ltd

On 07/26/2012 05:30 PM, Paul Davis wrote: So, in an Emerson v. Wakeman debate, you pick Jürgen Fritz? -- --- http://www.lateralforce.com My blog, with commentary on a variety of things, including audio, mixing, equipment, etc, is at: http://audioandmore.wordpress.com Staat heißt das kälteste aller kalten Ungeheuer. Kalt lügt es auch; und diese Lüge kriecht aus seinem Munde: 'Ich, der Staat, bin das Volk.' - [Friedrich Nietzsche]

On 07/26/2012 10:16 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Nothing at all is wrong with Triumvirat!!! I've had three of their albums since they were released, and I still listen to them fairly regularly. It's just another, perhaps less well-known, option. -- --- http://www.lateralforce.com My blog, with commentary on a variety of things, including audio, mixing, equipment, etc, is at: http://audioandmore.wordpress.com Staat heißt das kälteste aller kalten Ungeheuer. Kalt lügt es auch; und diese Lüge kriecht aus seinem Munde: 'Ich, der Staat, bin das Volk.' - [Friedrich Nietzsche]

On 7/26/12, Al Thompson &lt;althompson58(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: Patrick Moraz, probably :)

I don't think this is necessarily about "young" vs. "mature" thinking; I As a libertarian anarchist, I oppose to being called a non-rational person :))) Seriously, though, I would question the objectivity of words like "evolve" and "meaningful". If by evolving we mean any change at all, then yes, society does evolve. If by evolving we mean only meaningful, then what is meaningful? Meaningful is different for everyone and depends on his ideals and ways of thinking. Any "development" model is necessarily arbitrary. There does not seem to be the "correct" direction for humanity. And thus there cannot be any "correct" tools, physical or mental. -- Louigi Verona http://www.louigiverona.ru/

On Thu, 2012-07-26 at 20:52 +0100, Neil C Smith wrote: True :(! Anyway, here's a guy who shares an idea, unfortunately I don't have an Android Thingy :(. More than a decade ago they used data gloves at the MIT, today we can use a cam :). The capabilities are available. I still hold on that dream, but I don't contribute anymore by programming myself. I'm unable to program modern computers. "respect" to the people who do such experiments. I wish there would be a YouTube video about that CamSynth. Regards, Ralf