26 May
2005
26 May
'05
2:49 a.m.
Hello everyone,
Does anyone have any experience using a VMWare session to run Windows
audio apps? I can't get VMWare to output to ALSA.
It appears to use OSS. I have the OSS emulation loaded and use it on
a daily basis for esd. It'd be swell if I could sync it to Jack, but
I know that's probably not gonna happen ::-).
Also, how about MIDI support with USB devices? Should I expect that
to work?
Any tips? Thanks in advance!
--
Ross Vandegrift
ross(a)lug.udel.edu
"The good Christian should beware of mathematicians, and all those who
make empty prophecies. The danger already exists that the mathematicians
have made a covenant with the devil to darken the spirit and to confine
man in the bonds of Hell."
--St. Augustine, De Genesi ad Litteram, Book II, xviii, 37
26 May
26 May
3:27 a.m.
On Thu, May 26, 2005 at 12:49:12AM -0400, ross(a)jose.lug.udel.edu wrote:
Hello everyone,
Does anyone have any experience using a VMWare session to run Windows
audio apps? I can't get VMWare to output to ALSA.
vmware pretty much sucks for audio even at v5.0, but only because they dont care - its
virtually impossible to get it to play anything without dropouts, due to the
extraordinarily short buffer it uses. i messed with /proc/asound OSS-emu buffersize stuff
a bit before giving up..seems hardcoded in vmware..
and theres something called vmwareDSP: http://platan.vc.cvut.cz/ftp/pub/vmware/ , which i
think is experimental support for ARTS/ESD , in theory if you used arts backend as JACK,
that might be a way in..didnt work here..
another thing u could try is make a VST plugin that spits audio over UDP, to talk to
jack.UDP or jack.udpsync..which would proably work well with low latency over the
loopback.. and of course MIDI tunneled thru OSC is already working fine..i gave up on a
Jack.UDP-VST since i hate c++ and on win32 only use samplitude anyways, so the occasional
dropouts are no prob during editing...
good luck :D
10:40 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Dual heads
Has anyone got any comments about using dual heads while doing working
with linux audio apps?
I just want to put meters, qjackctl and gamix or whatever mundane
things on on monitor and keep the stuff I am fiddling with on the main
pain.
I'll use xbox window management and the ccrma low latency patch.
Pentium m 2.0 GHZ(not optimal I know but its what I have) and FC3 ccrma.
Is this going to be slow?
10:54 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Dual heads
On Thu, May 26, 2005 at 07:43:43 -0400, Nick Torenvliet wrote:
Has anyone got any comments about using dual heads
while doing working
with linux audio apps?
I just want to put meters, qjackctl and gamix or whatever mundane
things on on monitor and keep the stuff I am fiddling with on the main
pain.
I'll use xbox window management and the ccrma low latency patch.
Pentium m 2.0 GHZ(not optimal I know but its what I have) and FC3 ccrma.
Is this going to be slow?
Shouldn't be, the Pentium M's are better for audio work (IMHO) than
pentium 4's, due to better denormal handling, and can do more
clock-for-clock.
With dual heads the performance of your graphics card and its drivers will
be more critical.
- Steve
7:09 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Dual heads
With dual heads the performance of your graphics card
and its drivers will
be more critical.
- Steve
So are there any recommendations for dual head graphics cards. I
don't care much about 3D performance. Do the dual head features on
most cards work with Fedora out of the box?
Thanks,
Brent
7:32 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Dual heads
On Thu, 2005-05-26 at 16:09 -0500, Brent Durbin wrote:
So are there any recommendations for dual head
graphics cards. I
don't care much about 3D performance. Do the dual head features on
most cards work with Fedora out of the box?
My Matrox Millennium G450 works great...
Lee
7:51 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Dual heads
I've had success with a Matrox Millenium G400 using xinerama.
--
joq
8:08 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Dual heads
On Thu, May 26, 2005 at 05:32:29PM -0400, Lee Revell wrote:
On Thu, 2005-05-26 at 16:09 -0500, Brent Durbin
wrote:
sounds obsolete, i think i used one of those 5 years ago? ,. ok maybe it was G400..any low
end nvidia (say 6200) will work with dualhead and has excellent linux support with the
"nvidia" driver, just add something like this: [Option "TwinView"
"On" \n Option "TwinViewOrientation" "Below"' to
xorg.conf.. and still have 256mb of ram and the latest shaders if you do want to play
games or mess with blender etc..
So are there any recommendations for dual head
graphics cards. I
don't care much about 3D performance. Do the dual head features on
most cards work with Fedora out of the box?
My Matrox Millennium G450 works great...
Lee
9:09 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Dual heads
On Thu, 2005-05-26 at 22:08 +0000, ix(a)replic.net wrote:
On Thu, May 26, 2005 at 05:32:29PM -0400, Lee Revell
wrote:
sounds obsolete, i think i used one of those 5 years ago?
Of course it's "obsolete", we're talking about a DAW, not a box to play
Doom 3, right?
On Thu, 2005-05-26 at 16:09 -0500, Brent Durbin
wrote:
> So are there any recommendations for dual head graphics cards. I
> don't care much about 3D performance. Do the dual head features
on
most
cards work with Fedora out of the box?
My Matrox Millennium G450 works great... ,. ok maybe it was G400..any low end nvidia (say
6200) will work with
dualhead and has excellent linux support with the "nvidia"
Many people don't consider having to use a binary only driver
"excellent".
Lee
11:28 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Dual heads
My DAW has an ATI 7500 and 8500 card, both with DVI outs. This works out
of the box with Fedora (core 1 and 2). The only probelm is the extra fan
noise in the studio.
-Joe D
On Thu, 2005-05-26 at 19:09 -0400, Lee Revell wrote:
On Thu, 2005-05-26 at 22:08 +0000, ix(a)replic.net
wrote:
--
Joseph Dell'Orfano <fullgo(a)dellorfano.net>
On Thu, May 26, 2005 at 05:32:29PM -0400, Lee
Revell wrote:
sounds obsolete, i think i used one of those 5 years ago?
Of course it's "obsolete", we're talking about a DAW, not a box to
play
Doom 3, right?
On Thu, 2005-05-26 at 16:09 -0500, Brent Durbin
wrote:
> So are there any recommendations for dual head graphics cards. I
> don't care much about 3D performance. Do the dual head features
on
most
cards work with Fedora out of the box?
My Matrox Millennium G450 works great... ,. ok maybe it was G400..any low end nvidia (say
6200) will work with
dualhead and has excellent linux support with the "nvidia"
Many people don't consider having to use a binary only driver
"excellent".
Lee
27 May
27 May
8:54 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Dual heads
Lee Revell schrieb:
On Thu, 2005-05-26 at 22:08 +0000, ix(a)replic.net
wrote:
1) The actual nvidia driver has NO support for the nv44a "aka 6200
AGP"
2) for some people, the nvidia driver leads to crashes, seems to have
something to do with the bios (fortunately not for me)
3) On my box, software suspend (1 & 2) won't work when in X with nvidia
drivers. - of course i can kill X, but then i
can also shutdown the box
4) You can't use hw accellerated fb w/ nvidia drivers, u must use vseafb-tng
that u call "excellent linux support" ???
ok, i always buy nvidia cards ... because i need to play doom3 (and ut2004).
if you are sure u never want to play doom3 ... get some _elder_ matrox / Ati
they got good opensourced drivers for 2D support and basic OpenGL
support- usefull 4 Desktop.
The opensourced "nv" module for nvidia OTOH neither supports dualhead,
nor does it support xv
- the last i would call a basic feature - so this ain't either an option.
keep in mind Nvidia = best 3d performance u get, but u are stuck w/
their drivers.
On Thu, May 26, 2005 at 05:32:29PM -0400, Lee
Revell wrote:
sounds obsolete, i think i used one of those 5 years ago?
Of course it's "obsolete", we're talking about a DAW, not a box to play
Doom 3, right?
> ,. ok maybe it was G400..any low end nvidia (say 6200) will work with
>dualhead and has excellent linux support with the "nvidia"
>
> On Thu, 2005-05-26 at 16:09 -0500, Brent Durbin
wrote:
>So are there any recommendations for dual head graphics cards. I
>don't care much about 3D performance. Do the dual head features
>
>
on
most cards
work with Fedora out of the box?
My Matrox Millennium G450 works great...
Many people don't consider having to use a binary only driver
"excellent".
i don't actually mind if the driver is binary or not, but see issues above.
Lee
9:49 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Dual heads
On Fri, 2005-05-27 at 05:54, tommy wrote:
2) for some people, the nvidia driver leads to
crashes, seems to have
something to do with the bios (fortunately not for me)
Where I work we've been running NVIDIA dual head (with NVIDIA's
drivers) on 50+ SMP systems for the last 5 years or so. We're doing
very heavy duty 3-D work using Fledermaus (http://www.ivs3d.com/).
There is still an occasional problem with crashes related to NVIDIA and
SMP but it is extremely rare. I have yet to see a crash on a single
processor system due to NVIDIA's driver (this includes the three systems
I use at home).
3) On my box, software suspend (1 & 2) won't
work when in X with nvidia
drivers. - of course i can kill X, but then i
can also shutdown the box
4) You can't use hw accellerated fb w/ nvidia drivers, u must use vseafb-tng
that u call "excellent linux support" ???
I call it much more excellent than the crap that ATI is trying to
peddle ;-)
Jan
26 May
26 May
11:39 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Dual heads
What I've got is an ATI radeon 9600 m10.
I've tried the fglrx ati packages to no avail.
I am sure the card is capable of dual heads but I am having problems
writing a proper xorg.conf and also the installation shell script with
the ati package just doesn't seem to be modprobing the ati driver into
kernel space at boot-time.
I had this problem about four years ago with a laptop with an nvidia
card in it... I waited about six months and the nvidia support got
better... I don't want to wait for ati's linux support... they are after
all doing the xbox360 so my guess is they will be a little behind the
curve on things linux in the near future.
27 May
27 May
8:22 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Dual heads
On Thu, May 26, 2005 at 09:40:33PM -0400, Nick Torenvliet wrote:
What I've got is an ATI radeon 9600 m10.
I've tried the fglrx ati packages to no avail.
I've had the fglrx dirvers working on my laptop to get dual head, but it
messed up too many other things. I've given up waiting for the closed ATI
drivers to get better, I think the free ones will get there first:
http://r300.sourceforge.net/ theyre not perfect yet, and there a bit
painful to install, but there getting better all the time. 2D works pretty
well, and 3D is getting there on older cards (apparently, I've not tried
it).
- Steve
11:11 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Dual heads
Thanks that where I'm going- googled for untold minutes yesterday
looking for something like that....
On Fri, 2005-05-27 at 11:22 +0100, Steve Harris wrote:
On Thu, May 26, 2005 at 09:40:33PM -0400, Nick
Torenvliet wrote:
What I've got is an ATI radeon 9600 m10.
I've tried the fglrx ati packages to no avail.
I've had the fglrx dirvers working on my laptop to get dual head, but it
messed up too many other things. I've given up waiting for the closed ATI
drivers to get better, I think the free ones will get there first:
http://r300.sourceforge.net/ theyre not perfect yet, and there a bit
painful to install, but there getting better all the time. 2D works pretty
well, and 3D is getting there on older cards (apparently, I've not tried
it).
- Steve
11:15 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] writing audio to a cd
Okay, so here is the prince of dumb questions...
I have a song in ardour- four tracks... and I want to write it to an
audio cd so I can play it on any cd player... could someone fill in the
blanks for me....
From ardour I export into a _________ file
Then I fire up handy dandy application ___________ and import the file
Then I export it to __________ format
Then I burn an audio cd using that whiz bang app ____________?
This could make for a really hot date people...
Come on give me some love.
11:35 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] writing audio to a cd
On 5/27/05, Nick Torenvliet <torenvliet(a)bmts.com> wrote:
I have a song in ardour- four tracks... and I want to
write it to an
audio cd so I can play it on any cd player... could someone fill in the
blanks for me....
Hm... I didn't use Ardour until now, but I think it should read:
From ardour I export into a .wav file.
Then I
burn an audio cd using that whiz bang app cdrecord.
Or did I miss something?
11:50 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] writing audio to a cd
On Fri, May 27, 2005 at 03:35:52PM +0200, Michael Wagner wrote:
On 5/27/05, Nick Torenvliet
<torenvliet(a)bmts.com> wrote:
More specifically, a 16 bit integer, stereo WAV. With dithering.
The ardour manual tells you how to do it the hardcaore way too, if you
prefer: http://ardour.org/manual/export:cdtoc
I have a song in ardour- four tracks... and I
want to write it to an
audio cd so I can play it on any cd player... could someone fill in the
blanks for me....
Hm... I didn't use Ardour until now, but I think it should read:
>From ardour I export into a .wav file. Then I burn an audio cd using that whiz bang app
cdrecord.
Or did I miss something?
If you like pictures with your apps I highly recommend K3B.
http://www.k3b.org/
- Steve
12:23 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] writing audio to a cd
On Fri, 27 May 2005 14:49:56 +0100, Steve Harris
<S.W.Harris(a)ecs.soton.ac.uk> wrote:
On Fri, May 27, 2005 at 03:35:52PM +0200, Michael
Wagner wrote:
you might also consider pulling your 16-bit wav file(s) into rezound. i
know you only said ONE song, but when you have more than one you can drop
track markers on the timeline and then burn directly, all within rezound.
-p
On 5/27/05, Nick Torenvliet
<torenvliet(a)bmts.com> wrote:
More specifically, a 16 bit integer, stereo WAV. With dithering.
The ardour manual tells you how to do it the hardcaore way too, if you
prefer: http://ardour.org/manual/export:cdtoc
I have a song in ardour- four tracks... and I
want to write it to an
audio cd so I can play it on any cd player... could someone fill in
the
blanks for me....
Hm... I didn't use Ardour until now, but I think it should read:
>From ardour I export into a .wav file. Then I burn an audio cd using that whiz bang app
cdrecord.
Or did I miss something?
If you like pictures with your apps I highly recommend K3B.
http://www.k3b.org/ 
11:44 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] writing audio to a cd
Nick Torenvliet wrote:
Okay, so here is the prince of dumb questions...
I have a song in ardour- four tracks... and I want to write it to an
audio cd so I can play it on any cd player... could someone fill in the
blanks for me....
Steps 2 & 3 are unnecessary in this method. Make sure your exported
tracks are in 44.1 kHz stereo 16-bit WAV format, a.k.a. redbook CD
audio. Obviously you must have cdrecord and gcombust installed too.
Cdrecord is a standard item included with most (all?) mainstream Linux
distros.
Best,
dp
PS: You might want to put in an intermediate step of normalization
and/or some other mastering process, perhaps using JAMin.
From ardour I export into a *stereo WAV* file
? --> Then I fire up handy dandy application ___________ and import the file
? --> Then I export it to __________ format
Then I burn an audio cd using that whiz bang app *gcombust, a front-end to cdrecord* ?
11:56 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] writing audio to a cd
Hi,
On Friday 27 May 2005 15:17, Nick Torenvliet wrote:
No need to use anything other than ardour and your burning-app.
Arnold
BTW: k3b doesn't recognize the tocs or cues so you have to use the commandline
apps...
--
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Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be
replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable.
There is another theory which states that this has already happened.
-- Douglas Adams, The Restaurant at the End of the Universe
Okay, so here is the prince of dumb questions...
I have a song in ardour- four tracks... and I want to write it to an
audio cd so I can play it on any cd player... could someone fill in the
blanks for me....
Inside ardour you create the regions (in the regions/locations editor) which
should be the songs on the cd. Mark the "CD" checkbox. Than select
File/Export/"Into soundfile" and in the following screen also select the
option to create the toc or cue file. You than get the wave-file for your cd
(be sure to use 44kHz and 16bit) and the toc. cdrdao will burn it and your
cd-player can read the cd...
From ardour I
export into a _________ file
Then I fire up handy dandy application ___________ and
import the file
Then I export it to __________ format
Then I burn an audio cd using that whiz bang app ____________?
12:45 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Dual heads
On Fri, 2005-05-27 at 11:22 +0100, Steve Harris wrote:
On Thu, May 26, 2005 at 09:40:33PM -0400, Nick
Torenvliet wrote:
After reading this thread I am definitely sticking with my 5 year old
Matrox for the foreseeable future ;-)
Lee
What I've got is an ATI radeon 9600 m10.
I've tried the fglrx ati packages to no avail.
I've had the fglrx dirvers working on my laptop to get dual head, but it
messed up too many other things. I've given up waiting for the closed ATI
drivers to get better, I think the free ones will get there first:
http://r300.sourceforge.net/ theyre not perfect yet, and there a bit
painful to install, but there getting better all the time. 2D works pretty
well, and 3D is getting there on older cards (apparently, I've not tried
it).
26 May
26 May
9:17 p.m.
On Thu, May 26, 2005 at 05:27:09AM +0000, ix(a)replic.net wrote:
vmware pretty much sucks for audio even at v5.0, but
only because they dont care - its virtually impossible to get it to play anything without
dropouts, due to the extraordinarily short buffer it uses. i messed with /proc/asound
OSS-emu buffersize stuff a bit before giving up..seems hardcoded in vmware..
That's a bummer. I had hoped I might be able to avoid having to
setup another dual boot setup or buy another machine. VMWare seemed
like a promising route and the installation of Cakewalk went really
smoothly. It's just utterly silent ::-).
Bochs seems to have more promising hardware support, but since it
works like a simulator, it's performance is veeeerry slllooow.
Didn't work under Wine either - Cakewalk crashes if I have any of the
Windows core fonts installed. Oddly enough, if only the music
notation font is installed it works... but I can't read anything!
Prospects look dim at this point...
--
Ross Vandegrift
ross(a)lug.udel.edu
"The good Christian should beware of mathematicians, and all those who
make empty prophecies. The danger already exists that the mathematicians
have made a covenant with the devil to darken the spirit and to confine
man in the bonds of Hell."
--St. Augustine, De Genesi ad Litteram, Book II, xviii, 37
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