19 Oct
2006
19 Oct
'06
1:45 p.m.
finally!
http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer9/
seems to work here with firefox 1.5.0.7.
*much* better sound synchronization - i can finally watch stuff on
youtube without screaming in frustration.
--
Paul Winkler
http://www.slinkp.com
19 Oct
19 Oct
2:32 p.m.
On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 11:45 -0400, Paul Winkler wrote:
finally!
http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer9/
seems to work here with firefox 1.5.0.7.
*much* better sound synchronization - i can finally watch stuff on
youtube without screaming in frustration.
ARRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! On my 600Mhz machine (which plays big divx
DVD and HDTV rips perfectly in full screen mode) I get at MOST 1 FPS.
Most YouTube videos never play - the red bar fills up, I see the first
frame, and can fast forward and rewind, but the video behaves as if it's
always paused.
Guess I'll have to go back to Windows if I want to use this new &
improved proprietary multimedia Internet... sigh... it was fun while it
lasted.
Lee
2:47 p.m.
we need an authoring tool for svg animations, and better support for
various svg properties in firefox.
On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 12:32 -0400, Lee Revell wrote:
On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 11:45 -0400, Paul Winkler
wrote:
--
-- leonard "paniq" ritter
-- http://www.mjoo.org
-- http://www.paniq.org
finally!
http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer9/
seems to work here with firefox 1.5.0.7.
*much* better sound synchronization - i can finally watch stuff on
youtube without screaming in frustration.
ARRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! On my 600Mhz machine (which plays big divx
DVD and HDTV rips perfectly in full screen mode) I get at MOST 1 FPS.
Most YouTube videos never play - the red bar fills up, I see the first
frame, and can fast forward and rewind, but the video behaves as if it's
always paused.
Guess I'll have to go back to Windows if I want to use this new &
improved proprietary multimedia Internet... sigh... it was fun while it
lasted.
Lee
6:06 p.m.
On Thursday 19 October 2006 12:47, Leonard "paniq" Ritter wrote:
we need an authoring tool for svg animations, and
better
support for various svg properties in firefox.
I think putting a lot of effort into SVG is kinda moot now since
Adobe is killing its SVG plugin for IE at the end of next
year.... unless Firefox gets a majority market share or someone
gets a free software IE plugin released by then.
Beyond that, though, most of this discussion is about streaming
video and audio sync, neither of which SVG was ever intended to
support.
I think the Gnash project has a better chance of catching up with
Flash than SVG plus (whatever other technologies would be needed
to recreate the functionality of Flash) does, so I hope free
software SWF authoring tools continue to improve.
Rob
7:55 p.m.
On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 16:05 -0400, Rob wrote:
Beyond that, though, most of this discussion is about
streaming
video and audio sync, neither of which SVG was ever intended to
support.
yeah, i got aware of that when i kept contemplating about it.
I think the Gnash project has a better chance of catching up with
Flash than SVG plus (whatever other technologies would be needed
to recreate the functionality of Flash) does, so I hope free
software SWF authoring tools continue to improve.
sounds good. i'll have a look at it.
Rob
--
-- leonard "paniq" ritter
-- http://www.mjoo.org
-- http://www.paniq.org
7:59 p.m.
On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 16:05 -0400, Rob wrote:
I think the Gnash project has a better chance of
catching up with
Flash than SVG plus (whatever other technologies would be needed
to recreate the functionality of Flash) does, so I hope free
software SWF authoring tools continue to improve.
if i remember correctly macromedia's flash licence doesn't cover making
player derivatives. you can create content creation tools, but not
players. i'm not sure tho. i just heard that.
Rob
--
-- leonard "paniq" ritter
-- http://www.mjoo.org
-- http://www.paniq.org
8:45 p.m.
On Thursday 19 October 2006 17:59, Leonard "paniq" Ritter wrote:
if i remember correctly macromedia's flash licence
doesn't
cover making player derivatives. you can create content
creation tools, but not players. i'm not sure tho. i just
heard that.
No, you're right, the official Flash specification is only
available to developers who agree not to make competing players.
Luckily for us, though, Gnash is a clean-room implementation as
far as I can tell.
Gnash isn't the first attempt at a free flash player, just the
one that's gotten the furthest along (though I can't verify that
right now because it requires OpenGL and my tablet running
Ubuntu from Emperorlinux currently can't do GLX and the pen
stuff simultaneously.)
http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/
Rob
9:10 p.m.
Rob wrote:
On Thursday 19 October 2006 17:59, Leonard
"paniq" Ritter wrote:
Regarding flash content creation on linux there's also this:
http://ming.sourceforge.net/
I've used it (in python) some months ago to make some flash GUIs for a
client. If you're a programmer it's far easier to make stuff with this
than using the Flash application itself.
c.
--
www.cesaremarilungo.com
On the Internet, no one knows you're using Windows NT
-- Submitted by Ramiro Estrugo, restrugo(a)fateware.com
if i remember correctly macromedia's flash
licence doesn't
cover making player derivatives. you can create content
creation tools, but not players. i'm not sure tho. i just
heard that.
No, you're right, the official Flash specification is only
available to developers who agree not to make competing players.
Luckily for us, though, Gnash is a clean-room implementation as
far as I can tell.
Gnash isn't the first attempt at a free flash player, just the
one that's gotten the furthest along (though I can't verify that
right now because it requires OpenGL and my tablet running
Ubuntu from Emperorlinux currently can't do GLX and the pen
stuff simultaneously.)
http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/
Rob
10:02 p.m.
On Thursday 19 October 2006 21:01, Cesare Marilungo wrote:
Regarding flash content creation on linux there's
also this:
http://ming.sourceforge.net/
Yeah, there are a number of flash creation options under Linux
(ming, OpenLaszlo, swfc, and a bunch of early-alpha IDE's like
Flame Project and UIRA.... not to mention OpenOffice, if you
don't need to do anything fancy). But until recently, there's
been no viable way to play Flash unless you downloaded Adobe's
pretty lame Flash 7 plugin. Now Gnash is almost usable and
Flash 9 is in beta, available as a standalone player, and less
sucky than Flash 7.
I'm pretty sure we have the pressure of Gnash to thank for the
availability of that Flash 9 beta.
Rob
11:39 p.m.
Rob wrote:
On Thursday 19 October 2006 21:01, Cesare Marilungo
wrote:
Hmmm, now those are interesting!
Regarding flash content creation on linux
there's also this:
http://ming.sourceforge.net/
Yeah, there are a number of flash creation options under Linux
(ming, OpenLaszlo, swfc, and a bunch of early-alpha IDE's like
Flame Project and UIRA.... not to mention OpenOffice, if you
don't need to do anything fancy). But until recently, there's
been no viable way to play Flash unless you downloaded Adobe's
pretty lame Flash 7 plugin. Now Gnash is almost usable
A friend of mine describes the current version of Gnash as a "crash the
gui, crash the X server" application and says "Give it another year."
and
Flash 9 is in beta, available as a standalone player, and less
sucky than Flash 7.
I'm pretty sure we have the pressure of Gnash to thank for the
availability of that Flash 9 beta.
And the increased press that Linux is getting, combined with the fact
that Flash gives creators of Flash files the ability to get back
detailed usage stats. So the more times they see the Linux version of
the Flash player in use, the more likely THEY (paying Adobe customers)
to encourage Adobe to support Linux users. Another factor may be that
they may be able to piggyback on development for the Mac OS X to help
build the Linux version. And the graphic-arts-heavy Mac community has
thoroughly fallen in love with Flash ...
--
David
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
3:14 p.m.
Lee Revell wrote:
On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 11:45 -0400, Paul Winkler
wrote:
Really? you have a 600MHz and it
plays HD ok? What are the files? Do
you have a XvMC board that assists?
finally!
http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer9/
seems to work here with firefox 1.5.0.7.
*much* better sound synchronization - i can finally watch stuff on
youtube without screaming in frustration.
ARRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! On my 600Mhz machine (which plays big divx
DVD and HDTV rips perfectly in full screen mode)
3:28 p.m.
On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 10:13 -0700, Brad Fuller wrote:
Lee Revell wrote:
Yep. Sometimes I have to pass -framedrop to mplayer, but most stuff
just works, and the frame dropping is never noticeable or annoying.
On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 11:45 -0400, Paul Winkler
wrote:
Really? you have a 600MHz and it
plays HD ok? finally!
http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer9/
seems to work here with firefox 1.5.0.7.
*much* better sound synchronization - i can finally watch stuff on
youtube without screaming in frustration.
ARRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! On my 600Mhz machine (which plays big divx
DVD and HDTV rips perfectly in full screen mode) What are the files? Do you have a XvMC board that
assists?
No hardware acceleration. The last HD file I played was a Sopranos
episode I think. Actually, some HD files don't play (like the Spike Lee
Katrina documentary) but it's very rare. It's just Flash video that
usually doesn't work. The standard 'DVD compressed to fit on 2 CDs'
plays *perfectly*.
I tried Google video and it's slightly better than YouTube (I got 5-6
FPS with the Diet Coke & Mentos video). So the Youtube player might be
the problem.
Better than previous versions for sure, but still nowhere near as good
as an embedded .wmv/.mpg/.avi.
Lee
3:39 p.m.
Lee Revell wrote:
On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 10:13 -0700, Brad Fuller wrote:
but why sometimes i am able to run flash and the sound output goes to
jack, than i am even able to record this with b.e. jack_capture, and
sometimes, like at YouTube, i have to stop jackd to get some sound out
of the flashpalyer?
cheers,
doc
Lee Revell wrote:
Yep. Sometimes I have to pass -framedrop to mplayer, but most stuff
just works, and the frame dropping is never noticeable or annoying.
On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 11:45 -0400, Paul Winkler
wrote:
Really? you have a 600MHz and it plays HD ok?
finally!
http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer9/
seems to work here with firefox 1.5.0.7.
*much* better sound synchronization - i can finally watch stuff on
youtube without screaming in frustration.
ARRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! On my 600Mhz machine (which plays big divx
DVD and HDTV rips perfectly in full screen mode)
What are the files? Do you have a XvMC board that
assists?
No hardware acceleration. The last HD file I played was a Sopranos
episode I think. Actually, some HD files don't play (like the Spike Lee
Katrina documentary) but it's very rare. It's just Flash video that
usually doesn't work. The standard 'DVD compressed to fit on 2 CDs'
plays *perfectly*.
I tried Google video and it's slightly better than YouTube (I got 5-6
FPS with the Diet Coke & Mentos video). So the Youtube player might be
the problem.
Better than previous versions for sure, but still nowhere near as good
as an embedded .wmv/.mpg/.avi.
Lee
3:46 p.m.
On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 19:39 +0200, Dragan Noveski wrote:
but why sometimes i am able to run flash and the sound
output goes to
jack, than i am even able to record this with b.e. jack_capture, and
sometimes, like at YouTube, i have to stop jackd to get some sound
out of the flashpalyer?
No idea. With the new Flash player it should not be necessary to stop
JACK.
Lee
4 p.m.
Lee Revell wrote:
On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 19:39 +0200, Dragan Noveski
wrote:
in my case, i used fp7 and have had the same behavior like with the fp9.
sometimes have to stop jack, perhaps it is about the player on the other
side of the connection?
cheers,
doc
but why sometimes i am able to run flash and the
sound output goes to
jack, than i am even able to record this with b.e. jack_capture, and
sometimes, like at YouTube, i have to stop jackd to get some sound
out of the flashpalyer?
No idea. With the new Flash player it should not be necessary to stop
JACK.
Lee
4:09 p.m.
On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 20:00 +0200, Dragan Noveski wrote:
Lee Revell wrote:
No, it couldn't be the other side.
Forget FP7, it *definitely* cannot work with other sound apps...
Do you have an .asoundrc? You shouldn't.
Lee
On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 19:39 +0200, Dragan Noveski
wrote:
in my case, i used fp7 and have had the same behavior like with the fp9.
sometimes have to stop jack, perhaps it is about the player on the other
side of the connection? but why sometimes i am able to run flash and the
sound output goes to
jack, than i am even able to record this with b.e. jack_capture, and
sometimes, like at YouTube, i have to stop jackd to get some sound
out of the flashpalyer?
No idea. With the new Flash player it should not be necessary to stop
JACK.
Lee
4:58 p.m.
Lee Revell wrote:
On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 20:00 +0200, Dragan Noveski
wrote:
i removed .asoundrc, but still the same issue?
have now libflashplayer.so in my homedir and in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
installed.
cheers,
doc
Lee Revell wrote:
No, it couldn't be the other side.
Forget FP7, it *definitely* cannot work with other sound apps...
Do you have an .asoundrc? You shouldn't.
Lee
On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 19:39 +0200, Dragan Noveski
wrote:
in my case, i used fp7 and have had the same behavior like with the fp9.
sometimes have to stop jack, perhaps it is about the player on the other
side of the connection?
but why sometimes i am able to run flash and the
sound output goes to
jack, than i am even able to record this with b.e. jack_capture, and
sometimes, like at YouTube, i have to stop jackd to get some sound
out of the flashpalyer?
No idea. With the new Flash player it should not be necessary to stop
JACK.
Lee
4:10 p.m.
On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 20:00 +0200, Dragan Noveski wrote:
in my case, i used fp7 and have had the same behavior
like with the
fp9. sometimes have to stop jack, perhaps it is about the player on
the other side of the connection?
JACK cannot coexist with other sound apps if you have no hardware
mixing, unless you configure it to use the "default" device rather than
hw:x.
Lee
7:30 p.m.
Lee Revell wrote:
On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 20:00 +0200, Dragan Noveski
wrote:
absolutely right, i hav to set input device, output device as the
interface too, to default, than everything works.
but when i change the interface from hw:x to default, i also hav to give
larger frames/period variable for jack to start.
anybody knows why this is so?
i mean, it is still the same onbord chip.
cheers,
doc
in my case, i used fp7 and have had the same
behavior like with the
fp9. sometimes have to stop jack, perhaps it is about the player on
the other side of the connection?
JACK cannot coexist with other sound apps if you have no hardware
mixing, unless you configure it to use the "default" device rather than
hw:x.
Lee
7:32 p.m.
On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 23:30 +0200, Dragan Noveski wrote:
Lee Revell wrote:
Because software mixing requires a bigger buffer than direct unmixed
output to hardware.
Lee
On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 20:00 +0200, Dragan Noveski
wrote:
absolutely right, i hav to set input device, output device as the
interface too, to default, than everything works.
but when i change the interface from hw:x to default, i also hav to give
larger frames/period variable for jack to start.
anybody knows why this is so?
i mean, it is still the same onbord chip. in my case, i used fp7 and have had the same
behavior like with the
fp9. sometimes have to stop jack, perhaps it is about the player on
the other side of the connection?
JACK cannot coexist with other sound apps if you have no hardware
mixing, unless you configure it to use the "default" device rather than
hw:x.
Lee
7:51 p.m.
Lee Revell wrote:
On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 23:30 +0200, Dragan Noveski
wrote:
yeah, that makes sense!
cheers,
doc
Lee Revell wrote:
Because software mixing requires a bigger buffer than direct unmixed
output to hardware.
Lee
On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 20:00 +0200, Dragan Noveski
wrote:
absolutely right, i hav to set input device, output device as the
interface too, to default, than everything works.
but when i change the interface from hw:x to default, i also hav to give
larger frames/period variable for jack to start.
anybody knows why this is so?
i mean, it is still the same onbord chip.
in my case, i used fp7 and have had the same
behavior like with the
fp9. sometimes have to stop jack, perhaps it is about the player on
the other side of the connection?
JACK cannot coexist with other sound apps if you have no hardware
mixing, unless you configure it to use the "default" device rather than
hw:x.
Lee
6:02 p.m.
Lee Revell wrote:
ARRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! On my 600Mhz machine (which
plays big divx
DVD and HDTV rips perfectly in full screen mode) I get at MOST 1 FPS.
Most YouTube videos never play - the red bar fills up, I see the first
frame, and can fast forward and rewind, but the video behaves as if it's
always paused.
Guess I'll have to go back to Windows if I want to use this new &
improved proprietary multimedia Internet... sigh... it was fun while it
lasted.
I tried YouTube once and I was massively unimpressed, both by the
technical problems and by the total lack of anything worth watching.
I have been much more impressed with Democracy Player --
http://www.getdemocracy.com. It's GPL for a start and works fine with
Linux. You download movies by podcast or bittorrent rather than watching
live feeds, so if you are prepared to wait a few minutes for something
worth watching rather than getting instant crap then it will probably
suit you better than The Services Everyone Else Uses. Highlights for me
so far have been some shorts about censorship (e.g. "Eyes on the Fair
Use Prize"), the music video of Scott Walker's "Jesse", and some
extended footage of a baby panda called Tai Shan beating up his mother.
You'd need to rummage for them, but they are there somewhere. All in
full screen of course. And you can save movies permanently if you like.
And you can use it for your audio podcasts as well.
Robert
6:06 p.m.
I tried YouTube once and I was massively unimpressed,
both by the
technical problems and by the total lack of anything worth watching.
I have been much more impressed with Democracy Player --
http://www.getdemocracy.com. It's GPL for a start
yep, score one for the VLC/XUL crew on this one
any way to get it to browse GooTube via RSS or something?
6:13 p.m.
On Thursday 19 October 2006 16:02, Robert Persson wrote:
up his mother. You'd need to rummage for them, but
they are
there somewhere. All in full screen of course. And you can
save movies permanently if you like. And you can use it for
While I agree that Youtube is 99 and 44/100 percent crap, I've
never watched one of their videos here in my browser at home.
There's a Greasemonkey script for Firefox that converts the
embedded video into a download link, which lets you save
the .flv file to your hard disk for playback or conversion using
mplayer.
The quality doesn't improve at all but at least it's permanent
(and since most of the good stuff on Youtube is illegally
posted, like Lazy Sunday, you can't underestimate the importance
of that feature.)
Rob
20 Oct
20 Oct
6:12 a.m.
On 10/19/06, Rob <lau(a)kudla.org> wrote:
There's a Greasemonkey script for Firefox that
converts the
embedded video into a download link, which lets you save
the .flv file to your hard disk for playback or conversion using
mplayer.
If you don't have Greasemonkey this might be easier:
http://www.arrakis.es/~rggi3/youtube-dl/
10:41 a.m.
James McDermott wrote:
On 10/19/06, Rob <lau(a)kudla.org> wrote:
can you please tell what of python stuff you have installed?
i have 2.4.3 python and the same version of python-minimal, but the
executable wants not to start, complaining that python is missing.
cheers,
doc
There's a Greasemonkey script for Firefox
that converts the
embedded video into a download link, which lets you save
the .flv file to your hard disk for playback or conversion using
mplayer.
If you don't have Greasemonkey this might be easier:
http://www.arrakis.es/~rggi3/youtube-dl/
12:04 p.m.
On Fri, Oct 20, 2006 at 02:41:31PM +0200, Dragan Noveski wrote:
James McDermott wrote:
AFAICT it requires nothing but python 2.4 and the standard libraries.
The "hashbang" at the beginning of the script reads:
#!/usr/bin/env python
This is a common trick to avoid needing to know where the python
interpreter lives. Two things could go wrong with that:
1) You might not have "env" installed, or it might be somewhere
other than /usr/bin. (It's provided by gnu coreutils so i'd be amazed
if your distro doesn't have it.)
Try this:
env --version
which env
2) If you have multiple python versions installed, it's likely
that 'python' is a symlink to the wrong one. youtube-dl is hardcoded
to exit if the version is less than 2.4, with the message
'Error: Python 2.4 or later needed to run the program'
Try this:
ls -l `which python`
and/or
/usr/bin/env python -V
... and see what that tells you.
If you need to keep around an earlier version of python as the default
python, a workaround is to invoke 2.4 directly,
typically something like:
python2.4 /path/to/youtube-dl ...
If that works, wrap it up as a shell alias for convenience,
e.g. in .bashrc:
alias youtube-dl="/usr/bin/python2.4 /path/to/youtube-dl"
--
Paul Winkler
http://www.slinkp.com
On 10/19/06, Rob <lau(a)kudla.org> wrote:
can you please tell what of python stuff you have installed?
i have 2.4.3 python and the same version of python-minimal, but the
executable wants not to start, complaining that python is missing. There's a Greasemonkey script for Firefox that
converts the
embedded video into a download link, which lets you save
the .flv file to your hard disk for playback or conversion using
mplayer.
If you don't have Greasemonkey this might be easier:
http://www.arrakis.es/~rggi3/youtube-dl/
4 p.m.
Paul Winkler wrote:
can you please tell what of python stuff
you have installed?
i have 2.4.3 python and the same version of python-minimal, but the
executable wants not to start, complaining that python is missing.
AFAICT it requires nothing but python 2.4 and the standard libraries.
The "hashbang" at the beginning of the script reads:
#!/usr/bin/env python
This is a common trick to avoid needing to know where the python
interpreter lives. Two things could go wrong with that:
1) You might not have "env" installed, or it might be somewhere
other than /usr/bin. (It's provided by gnu coreutils so i'd be amazed
if your distro doesn't have it.)
Try this:
env --version
which env
2) If you have multiple python versions installed, it's likely
that 'python' is a symlink to the wrong one. youtube-dl is hardcoded
to exit if the version is less than 2.4, with the message
'Error: Python 2.4 or later needed to run the program'
Try this:
ls -l `which python`
and/or
/usr/bin/env python -V
... and see what that tells you.
If you need to keep around an earlier version of python as the default
python, a workaround is to invoke 2.4 directly,
typically something like:
python2.4 /path/to/youtube-dl ...
If that works, wrap it up as a shell alias for convenience,
e.g. in .bashrc:
alias youtube-dl="/usr/bin/python2.4 /path/to/youtube-dl"
hi,
that was right, i had python as a symlink to python2.3, so i removed and
put the link to python2.4.
now it works!
thanks very much for the help and cheers,
doc
5 p.m.
On Fri, Oct 20, 2006 at 08:00:27PM +0200, Dragan Noveski wrote:
hi,
that was right, i had python as a symlink to python2.3, so i removed and
put the link to python2.4.
Careful. If you're using a distro that still uses 2.3 by default, I'd
play it safe and leave that symlink alone. Lots of distros use python
for various administrative tools. You could have problems like:
some administrative gadget provided by your distro uses some optional
package which you have installed for 2.3 but not 2.4, so you've just
broken said gadget.
In other words: don't do stuff like that unless you really know what
you're doing :)
(why distros still use 2.3 by default is beyond me... 2.4 is two years
old already and 2.5 just came out.)
--
Paul Winkler
http://www.slinkp.com
5:08 p.m.
Paul Winkler wrote:
On Fri, Oct 20, 2006 at 08:00:27PM +0200, Dragan
Noveski wrote:
ok, was not thinking so far, but the hint you told me about the .bashrc
i did not got running:
hi,
that was right, i had python as a symlink to python2.3, so i removed and
put the link to python2.4.
Careful. If you're using a distro that still uses 2.3 by default, I'd
play it safe and leave that symlink alone. Lots of distros use python
for various administrative tools. You could have problems like:
some administrative gadget provided by your distro uses some optional
package which you have installed for 2.3 but not 2.4, so you've just
broken said gadget.
In other words: don't do stuff like that unless you really know what
you're doing :)
(why distros still use 2.3 by default is beyond me... 2.4 is two years
old already and 2.5 just came out.)
If that works, wrap it up as a shell alias for
convenience,
e.g. in .bashrc:
alias youtube-dl="/usr/bin/python2.4
/path/to/youtube-dl"
i putted the last line at the end of my .bashrc , exited x and logged
out, than login again, but youtube-dl was complaining again the same thing.
can you explain wath you think with that?
cheers,
doc
5:16 p.m.
On Fri, Oct 20, 2006 at 09:08:24PM +0200, Dragan Noveski wrote:
First check that the alias actually got read by your current shell.
alias with no arguments should give a list of known aliases.
barring that, check the paths you put in the alias.
Do they point to where those files actually live?
--
Paul Winkler
http://www.slinkp.com
alias
youtube-dl="/usr/bin/python2.4 /path/to/youtube-dl"
i putted the last line at the end of my .bashrc , exited x and logged
out, than login again, but youtube-dl was complaining again the same thing.
can you explain wath you think with that?
5:35 p.m.
Paul Winkler wrote:
On Fri, Oct 20, 2006 at 09:08:24PM +0200, Dragan
Noveski wrote:
First check that the alias actually got read by your current shell.
alias with no arguments should give a list of known aliases.
barring that, check the paths you put in the alias.
Do they point to where those files actually live?
it works now, only exiting x was not enough, i had to make a reboot.
now the link is again pointing to python2.3 and with the "alias..." in
my .bashrc everything good.
thanks one more time for the help,
cheers,
doc
alias
youtube-dl="/usr/bin/python2.4 /path/to/youtube-dl"
i putted the last line at the end of my .bashrc , exited x and logged
out, than login again, but youtube-dl was complaining again the same thing.
can you explain wath you think with that?
19 Oct
19 Oct
6:13 p.m.
On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 13:02 -0700, Robert Persson wrote:
I tried YouTube once and I was massively unimpressed,
both by the
technical problems and by the total lack of anything worth watching.
Yeah, watching kids re-enact scenes from Nintendo games isn't my cup of
tea either. But like it or not it's the killer app of the web these
days...
Lee
6:30 p.m.
On 10/19/06, Lee Revell <rlrevell(a)joe-job.com> wrote:
On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 13:02 -0700, Robert Persson
wrote:
I have been paying a lot of attention to YouTube lately, and yes, just
like anything else, most of it is crap. But there is a lot of good
stuff, too. For example, I've been watching videos of my favorite
jazz artists lately. I've gotten to watch Bill Evans, Joe Morello,
Charlie Parker, and many others. This is a good thing, for me anyway.
--
Josh Lawrence
http://www.hardbop200.com
I tried YouTube once and I was massively
unimpressed, both by the
technical problems and by the total lack of anything worth watching.
Yeah, watching kids re-enact scenes from Nintendo games isn't my cup of
tea either. But like it or not it's the killer app of the web these
days...
Lee
8:40 p.m.
On Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 03:30:37PM -0500, Josh Lawrence wrote:
I have been paying a lot of attention to YouTube
lately, and yes, just
like anything else, most of it is crap. But there is a lot of good
stuff, too. For example, I've been watching videos of my favorite
jazz artists lately. I've gotten to watch Bill Evans, Joe Morello,
Charlie Parker, and many others. This is a good thing, for me anyway.
That's what got me started. I'd never seen Beefheart performance footage
before, and I've found tons of stuff by people I like.
I figure that's temporary, though. It'll go the way of Napster.
--
Paul Winkler
http://www.slinkp.com
9:49 p.m.
I figure that's temporary, though. It'll go
the way of Napster.
Actually YouTube recently signed a deal(Right before Google bought them)
that made it so they can legally host WB's music videos, and I believe
since then a few other studios have jumped on board. In return they get
a cut of the advertising from while those videos are being played.
As such, it may rapidly become a new method of delivering content
legally, and finally may be a step in the right direction on the part of
the RIAA/MPAA instead of trying to sue everyone and their dead mother too.
Unfortunatly though that may have mixed results for Linux if things
don't improve for our support of flash on it.
Seablade
10:18 p.m.
On Thursday 19 October 2006 19:55, Thomas Vecchione wrote:
Unfortunatly though that may have mixed results for
Linux if
things don't improve for our support of flash on it.
The Flash 9 beta is out for linux (came out a couple days ago)
and while I don't do Youtube in the browser, it seems pretty
good for everything else. I think as long as Adobe feels the
GNU guys nipping at their heels with Gnash, they'll keep the
Linux plugin updated (at least until Gnash reaches
feature-parity and starts becoming the de facto Flash player
standard under Linux, in which case they'll probably start
trying to break it.)
As for Youtube being Napster.... Napster had no way to remove
songs that the music industry claimed were infringing. Youtube
serves everything off of servers under its control. They do get
a lot of complaints, but they jump on infringements pretty fast,
and should qualify for the "safe harbor" provisions of the DMCA.
They will be sued by someone eventually for some perceived
injury, but as long as they keep following through on complaints
I think they may win.
Rob
10:28 p.m.
The Flash 9 beta is out for linux (came out a couple
days ago)
and while I don't do Youtube in the browser, it seems pretty
good for everything else.
doesnt work on x86, or ppc, or MIPS, or freeBSD etc...yawn
luckily nobody is insane enough to make entire sites in Flash (eg FLEX) so greasemonkey
hacks will let the rest of at least view 'tv 2.0'
I think as long as Adobe feels the
GNU guys nipping at their heels with Gnash, they'll keep the
Linux plugin updated
i don't really understand this one... they win either way, as youre using their
format. its even less effort on their part if gnash worked great and people stopped
bothering them about a working plugin..
As for Youtube being Napster.... Napster had no way to remove
songs that the music industry claimed were infringing.
GooTube has a large collection of partnerships with the major commercial media firms.
expect to see the content remain, and those companies to be subsidized by the ads..
11:19 p.m.
On Thursday 19 October 2006 20:27, carmen wrote:
I'm on x86 myself and it works fine. I'm going to guess that the
guy I was responding to was also running Linux on x86. For the
other 0.01% of the Linux world.... there's Gnash, or there's
sour grapes.
Rob
The Flash 9
beta is out for linux (came out a couple days
ago) and while I don't do Youtube in the browser, it seems
pretty good for everything else.
doesnt work on x86, or ppc, or MIPS, or freeBSD etc...yawn
11:30 p.m.
carmen wrote:
Hmmm? Works here on dull boring Intel Celeron laptop.
The Flash 9
beta is out for linux (came out a couple days ago) and
while I don't do Youtube in the browser, it seems pretty good for
everything else.
doesnt work on x86, or ppc, or MIPS, or freeBSD etc...yawn
luckily nobody is insane enough to make entire sites in Flash (eg
FLEX) so greasemonkey hacks will let the rest of at least view 'tv
2.0'
Practically every movie site today demands Flash. I like the phrase "TV
2.0"! And a lot of web design firms seem to think that they have to do
it all in Flash now ...
Another great local geek computer store takes the first step that will
put it out of business:
http://www.personaltouchcomputers.com/newsite/Welcome.htm
--
David
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
20 Oct
20 Oct
12:03 a.m.
On Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 03:30:08PM -1000, david wrote:
carmen wrote:
Hmmm? Works here on dull boring Intel Celeron laptop.
works here on amd64 too.
--
Paul Winkler
http://www.slinkp.com
The Flash
9 beta is out for linux (came out a couple days ago) and
while I don't do Youtube in the browser, it seems pretty good for
everything else.
doesnt work on x86,
1:22 a.m.
> >doesnt work on x86,
how long after 32 bit x86 chips came out, did they stop differentiating between 16 and 32
bit versions when discussing them? now that x86_64 has been out about 4 years, i think
maybe we can start doing that again with 32 and 64.. so i stand by my claim it only works
on computers that you can no longer buy (check the latest offerings from AMD and Intel,
theyre all 64 bit)
works here on amd64 too.
you must be confused, and/or running an amd32 browser without knowing it..
1:33 a.m.
how long after 32 bit x86 chips came out, did they
stop differentiating between 16 and 32 bit versions when discussing them? now that x86_64
has been out about 4 years, i think maybe we can start doing that again with 32 and 64..
so i stand by my claim it only works on computers that you can no longer buy (check the
latest offerings from AMD and Intel, theyre all 64 bit)
Except while the latest from Intel may be 64 bit, the vast majority of
the world is still running 32 bit on Intel, and I believe you can still
get 32 bit from Intel, as not all of apple's line for example have been
converted to 64 Bit yet(Mac Mini for example)
So differentiating x86_64 and x86(Generally refers to 32 Bit) is
probably a good idea still.
Seablade
1:36 a.m.
On Friday 20 October 2006 13:39, Thomas Vecchione wrote:
Except while the latest from Intel may be 64 bit, the
vast majority of
the world is still running 32 bit on Intel, and I believe you can still
get 32 bit from Intel, as not all of apple's line for example have been
converted to 64 Bit yet(Mac Mini for example)
At the risk of wandering a bit further off-topic: do you know if the new
intel-based MacBooks are 32 or 64 bit?
thanks,
- brendon.
--
When you die, you lose a very important part of your life.
-- Brooke Shields
13:35:39 up 3 days, 2:37, 5 users, load average: 0.12, 0.15, 0.33
2:22 a.m.
On Thursday 19 October 2006 23:22, carmen wrote:
I personally call them "amd64", and three of the last four PC's
that I've bought, all this year, are 32-bit.
Just say "proprietary software sucks, I hate it" rather than
trying to pull this kind of wordplay.
Rob
>
>doesnt work on x86,
how long after 32 bit x86 chips came out, did they stop
differentiating between 16 and 32 bit versions when discussing
them? now that x86_64 has been out about 4 years, i think
maybe we can start doing that again with 32 and 64.. so i
stand by my claim it only works on computers that you can no
longer buy (check the latest offerings from AMD and Intel,
theyre all 64 bit)
12:06 p.m.
On Fri, Oct 20, 2006 at 03:22:49AM +0000, carmen wrote:
you must be confused, and/or running an amd32 browser
without knowing it..
It's a 32-bit binary install.
--
Paul Winkler
http://www.slinkp.com
19 Oct
19 Oct
10:50 p.m.
Rob wrote:
On Thursday 19 October 2006 19:55, Thomas Vecchione
wrote:
It doesn't seem to work at jumpcut.com. Just shows
the first frame for me.
YT works ok.
brad
Unfortunatly though that may have mixed results
for Linux if
things don't improve for our support of flash on it.
The Flash 9 beta is out for linux (came out a couple days ago)
and while I don't do Youtube in the browser, it seems pretty
good for everything else.
11:12 p.m.
Brad Fuller wrote:
Rob wrote:
Works for me at jumpcut.
--
David
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
On Thursday 19 October 2006 19:55, Thomas
Vecchione wrote:
It doesn't seem to work at jumpcut.com. Just shows
the first frame for me.
YT works ok. Unfortunatly though that may have mixed results
for Linux if
things don't improve for our support of flash on it.
The Flash 9 beta is out for linux (came out a couple days ago)
and while I don't do Youtube in the browser, it seems pretty
good for everything else.
11:25 p.m.
david wrote:
Brad Fuller wrote:
interesting. I tried firefox and opera.
Before, jumpcut wouldn't work with just fp7. Now, for me, it displays
only the first frame. However, I can move the time slider back and forth
and see frames. It just won't play.
brad
Rob wrote:
Works for me at jumpcut. On Thursday 19 October 2006 19:55, Thomas
Vecchione wrote:
It doesn't seem to work at jumpcut.com. Just shows the first
frame
for me.
YT works ok. Unfortunatly though that may have mixed results
for Linux if
things don't improve for our support of flash on it.
The Flash 9 beta is out for linux (came out a couple days ago) and
while I don't do Youtube in the browser, it seems pretty good for
everything else.
11:31 p.m.
On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 18:25 -0700, Brad Fuller wrote:
david wrote:
Sounds like the exact same bug from this thread:
http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/messageview.cfm?forumid=72&…
Lee
Brad Fuller wrote:
interesting. I tried firefox and opera.
Before, jumpcut wouldn't work with just fp7. Now, for me, it displays
only the first frame. However, I can move the time slider back and forth
and see frames. It just won't play. Rob wrote:
Works for me at jumpcut. On Thursday 19 October 2006 19:55, Thomas
Vecchione wrote:
> Unfortunatly though that may have mixed results for Linux if
> things don't improve for our support of flash on it.
>
The Flash 9 beta is out for linux (came out a couple days ago) and
while I don't do Youtube in the browser, it seems pretty good for
everything else.
It doesn't seem to work at jumpcut.com. Just shows the first
frame
for me.
YT works ok.
11:22 p.m.
On Thursday 19 October 2006 20:50, Brad Fuller wrote:
It doesn't seem to work at jumpcut.com. Just shows
the first
frame for me. YT works ok.
Weird, jumpcut.com doesn't even recognize I have the Flash 9
plugin, it tells me to download Flash 8. about:plugins shows
flash 7, 8 and 9 as being installed (never had flash 8 installed
since it didn't exist for Linux.)
I suppose whatever method the Emperor Linux guys used to install
the Flash plugin (they didn't use the flashplayer-nonfree
package) must have left some stuff around that's confusing the
browser.
Rob
6:18 p.m.
On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 13:02 -0700, Robert Persson wrote:
Lee Revell wrote:
Buckethead.
--
Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner
http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69
"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of
arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to
skid in sideways, chardonnay in one hand, chocolate in the other, body
thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and screaming 'WOO HOO, what a ride'"
ARRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! On my 600Mhz machine
(which plays big divx
DVD and HDTV rips perfectly in full screen mode) I get at MOST 1 FPS.
Most YouTube videos never play - the red bar fills up, I see the first
frame, and can fast forward and rewind, but the video behaves as if it's
always paused.
Guess I'll have to go back to Windows if I want to use this new &
improved proprietary multimedia Internet... sigh... it was fun while it
lasted.
I tried YouTube once and I was massively unimpressed, both by the
technical problems and by the total lack of anything worth watching. 
6:30 p.m.
On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 13:02 -0700, Robert Persson wrote:
Lee Revell wrote:
I don't have cable TV and without YT's probably illegal content i would
never have seen Stephen Colbert finally roast the president of the US
and the media, would never have seen Keith Olbermann savage the US
secretary of defense ala Murrow, and would never have seen Jon Stewart
ridicule countless fools who needed to be ridiculed.
Maybe its only 0.001% of the content of YT, but surviving in the US
right now is miserable enough, and not having the sense that some widely
watched entertainers don't like the situation either would make it even
harder.
--p
ARRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! On my 600Mhz machine
(which plays big divx
DVD and HDTV rips perfectly in full screen mode) I get at MOST 1 FPS.
Most YouTube videos never play - the red bar fills up, I see the first
frame, and can fast forward and rewind, but the video behaves as if it's
always paused.
Guess I'll have to go back to Windows if I want to use this new &
improved proprietary multimedia Internet... sigh... it was fun while it
lasted.
I tried YouTube once and I was massively unimpressed, both by the
technical problems and by the total lack of anything worth watching.
7:11 p.m.
On 10/19/06, Paul Davis <paul(a)linuxaudiosystems.com> wrote:
Maybe its only 0.001% of the content of YT, but
surviving in the US
right now is miserable enough, and not having the sense that some widely
watched entertainers don't like the situation either would make it even
harder.
Simple solution to a simple problem: move.
--
Josh Lawrence
http://www.hardbop200.com
7:14 p.m.
On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 16:11 -0500, Josh Lawrence wrote:
On 10/19/06, Paul Davis
<paul(a)linuxaudiosystems.com> wrote:
i think a careful analysis will reveal that this is actually a complex
answer to a deeply complex problem.
Maybe its only 0.001% of the content of YT, but
surviving in the US
right now is miserable enough, and not having the sense that some widely
watched entertainers don't like the situation either would make it even
harder.
Simple solution to a simple problem: move.
7:40 p.m.
On Thursday 19 October 2006 16:30, Paul Davis wrote:
I don't have cable TV and without YT's
probably illegal
content i would never have seen Stephen Colbert finally roast
the president of the US and the media, would never have seen
Keith Olbermann savage the US secretary of defense ala Murrow,
and would never have seen Jon Stewart ridicule countless fools
who needed to be ridiculed.
To be fair, though, I got all three of those videos (well, the
first two plus various Stewart bits) via Bittorrent. They were
of way better quality than the Youtube versions, though the only
one that really needed it was the Colbert one. Democracy Player
would have gotten me all of those if I had it installed.
I do have cable TV, but I would never have known when any of
those things originally aired and was probably working when they
did, anyway.
Rob
21 Oct
21 Oct
10 a.m.
Rob wrote:
On Thursday 19 October 2006 16:30, Paul Davis wrote:
My mother-in-law watches videos on YouTube. I can't imagine explaining
to her how to use Bittorrent.
Regards,
Bill
I don't have cable TV and without YT's
probably illegal
content i would never have seen Stephen Colbert finally roast
the president of the US and the media, would never have seen
Keith Olbermann savage the US secretary of defense ala Murrow,
and would never have seen Jon Stewart ridicule countless fools
who needed to be ridiculed.
To be fair, though, I got all three of those videos (well, the
first two plus various Stewart bits) via Bittorrent. They were
of way better quality than the Youtube versions, though the only
one that really needed it was the Colbert one. Democracy Player
would have gotten me all of those if I had it installed.
I do have cable TV, but I would never have known when any of
those things originally aired and was probably working when they
did, anyway.
Rob
27 Oct
27 Oct
4:46 p.m.
Paul Davis wrote:
I don't have cable TV and without YT's probably illegal content i would
never have seen Stephen Colbert finally roast the president of the US
and the media,
I assume you mean the whitehouse correspondents dinner speech?
"Even though 68% of Americans disapprove of this president... I believe
it's just a lull and like Rocky, he will get back up and... actually
Rocky lost in the first movie..."
Scorching. With Bush sitting only 3 meters away having to listen to
every word, and then he shakes his hand!!!
--
Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd.
Http://www.boosthardware.com
Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide
========================================
"Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will
become reality" - Macka B
4:54 p.m.
Patrick Shirkey wrote:
Paul Davis wrote:
Although politics arent relevant here.....
damn that guy's a nut case (bush) I mean really can he even speak clearly?
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I don't have cable TV and without YT's probably illegal content i would
never have seen Stephen Colbert finally roast the president of the US
and the media,
I assume you mean the whitehouse correspondents dinner speech?
"Even though 68% of Americans disapprove of this president... I
believe it's just a lull and like Rocky, he will get back up and...
actually Rocky lost in the first movie..."
Scorching. With Bush sitting only 3 meters away having to listen to
every word, and then he shakes his hand!!!
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11:22 p.m.
On 10/27/06, Timothy Alan Gorman <timg(a)expressmart.com> wrote:
Although politics arent relevant here.....
damn that guy's a nut case (bush) I mean really can he even speak clearly?
Folks, I've absolutely had enough of this. As was pointed out when
someone asked a printing question tonight, this is a LINUX AUDIO LIST,
which doesn't have one single damn thing to do with politics. Please
keep your political opinions to yourself, or voice them on another
list - they have no business here.
--
Josh Lawrence
http://www.hardbop200.com
11:26 p.m.
On Fri Oct 27, 2006 at 08:22:05PM -0500, Josh Lawrence wrote:
On 10/27/06, Timothy Alan Gorman
<timg(a)expressmart.com> wrote:
actually it has quite a bit. just check any thread on video cards, firewire devices,
binary firmwares and kernel modules, software patents, content licensing..
youre welcome to ignore the threads you dont find interesting, instead of stepping in
merely to say 'this thread shouldnt exist'..
cheers
Although politics arent relevant here.....
damn that guy's a nut case (bush) I mean really can he even speak clearly?
Folks, I've absolutely had enough of this. As was pointed out when
someone asked a printing question tonight, this is a LINUX AUDIO LIST,
which doesn't have one single damn thing to do with politics. Please
keep your political opinions to yourself, or voice them on another
list - they have no business here.
--
Josh Lawrence
http://www.hardbop200.com
11:35 p.m.
On Sat, 2006-10-28 at 01:26 +0000, carmen wrote:
On Fri Oct 27, 2006 at 08:22:05PM -0500, Josh Lawrence
wrote:
Those things are all directly relevant to Linux audio.
Lee
On 10/27/06, Timothy Alan Gorman
<timg(a)expressmart.com> wrote:
actually it has quite a bit. just check any thread on video cards, firewire devices,
binary firmwares and kernel modules, software patents, content licensing..
Although politics arent relevant here.....
damn that guy's a nut case (bush) I mean really can he even speak clearly?
Folks, I've absolutely had enough of this. As was pointed out when
someone asked a printing question tonight, this is a LINUX AUDIO LIST,
which doesn't have one single damn thing to do with politics.
11:51 p.m.
On 10/27/06, Lee Revell <rlrevell(a)joe-job.com> wrote:
Those things are all directly relevant to Linux
audio.
Lee
Yes, those things do. They are very relevant to Linux audio, and I
hope we discuss them at great length. You obviously did not read my
objection very closely. If you had, you will note that it was in
response to comments related to politics, not flash. I care nothing
of anyone's opinion on politics. When the day comes that Bush has
something to do with getting flash to work on a Linux system, I will
gladly back off. Until then, it simply has no place on this list.
--
Josh Lawrence
http://www.hardbop200.com
11:52 p.m.
On 10/27/06, carmen <_(a)whats-your.name> wrote:
youre welcome to ignore the threads you dont find
interesting, instead of stepping in merely to say 'this thread shouldnt exist'..
cheers
Which I gladly do. Again, read the objection again. Linux audio.
President Bush. I absolutely do not see a connection.
The thread is fine, the politics can go.
--
Josh Lawrence
http://www.hardbop200.com
28 Oct
28 Oct
2:40 a.m.
Josh Lawrence wrote:
On 10/27/06, carmen <_(a)whats-your.name> wrote:
Seeing as how we are splitting hairs.
The vids mentioned were in Flash format on YT which is the main reason
for discussing Flash in the first place. The topic of the clips was a
certain person that has polarised the world (not to mention the country
of his origin) so it's only to be expected that a few vicious comments
are burped into the thread...
Complaining about people complaining about Bush is like complaining
about people complaining about mosquito bites. Everyone has an itch and
no one likes the reason for the itch (although some - apparently 32%
- are more tolerant than others).
Personally I find it comforting to occasionally hear from an American
who is mortified at the way their country is run. That the person in
question is a senior Linux Audio developer lends weight to the point
being relevant to Linux Audio Users. Of course it's up to each of us to
decide how much weight we give it as with every other comment made via
this list.
--
Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd.
Http://www.boosthardware.com
Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide
========================================
"Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will
become reality" - Macka B
youre welcome to ignore the threads you dont find
interesting, instead
of stepping in merely to say 'this thread shouldnt exist'..
cheers
Which I gladly do. Again, read the objection again. Linux audio.
President Bush. I absolutely do not see a connection.
The thread is fine, the politics can go.
1:57 p.m.
On Sat, 2006-10-28 at 11:40 +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote:
Personally I find it comforting to occasionally hear
from an American
who is mortified at the way their country is run. That the person in
question is a senior Linux Audio developer lends weight to the point
being relevant to Linux Audio Users.
as said developer, i apologize for introducing the issue. it really has
nothing to do with LAD or LAU, and i should have kept my mouth shut.
note also that despite living in the US by choice for 18+ years, at this
point, i don't think of myself of as american.
2:10 p.m.
On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 11:57:17 -0400
Paul Davis <paul(a)linuxaudiosystems.com> wrote:
On Sat, 2006-10-28 at 11:40 +0700, Patrick Shirkey
wrote:
Please don't apologise!
mmmfty mmmf years ago at tech. college we had one regular session on
social sciences. It was believed that engineers would become too
blinkered and narrow-minded if they only ever discussed technical
matters.
I have never forgotten that, and happily apply a similar policy to
usenet, lists etc.
--
Will J G
Personally I find it comforting to occasionally
hear from an American
who is mortified at the way their country is run. That the person in
question is a senior Linux Audio developer lends weight to the point
being relevant to Linux Audio Users.
as said developer, i apologize for introducing the issue. it really has
nothing to do with LAD or LAU, and i should have kept my mouth shut.
note also that despite living in the US by choice for 18+ years, at this
point, i don't think of myself of as american.
29 Oct
29 Oct
5:36 a.m.
Paul Davis wrote:
On Sat, 2006-10-28 at 11:40 +0700, Patrick Shirkey
wrote:
Ha ha.
Until you have citizenship you're not anyway, but if you have
citizenship but you don't consider yourself American then you are going
against your pledge of Allegiance.
Quick somebody get a gun and shoot him, he must be a terrorist :-P
--
Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd.
Http://www.boosthardware.com
Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide
========================================
"Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will
become reality" - Macka B
Personally I find it comforting to occasionally
hear from an American
who is mortified at the way their country is run. That the person in
question is a senior Linux Audio developer lends weight to the point
being relevant to Linux Audio Users.
as said developer, i apologize for introducing the issue. it really has
nothing to do with LAD or LAU, and i should have kept my mouth shut.
note also that despite living in the US by choice for 18+ years, at this
point, i don't think of myself of as american.
28 Oct
28 Oct
3:44 a.m.
no politics on the internets!
On Fri, 2006-10-27 at 20:52 -0500, Josh Lawrence wrote:
On 10/27/06, carmen <_(a)whats-your.name> wrote:
--
-- Leonard Ritter
-- http://www.leonard-ritter.com
-- http://www.paniq.org
youre welcome to ignore the threads you dont find
interesting, instead of stepping in merely to say 'this thread shouldnt exist'..
cheers
Which I gladly do. Again, read the objection again. Linux audio.
President Bush. I absolutely do not see a connection.
The thread is fine, the politics can go.
4:06 a.m.
I was going to make comments about politicians in Australia and New
Zealand and other supposedly-better places, but I think I'll just stick
with: politics = "poly" (many) + "tics" (blood suckers). ;-)
Leonard "paniq" Ritter wrote:
no politics on the internets!
On Fri, 2006-10-27 at 20:52 -0500, Josh Lawrence wrote:
> On 10/27/06, carmen <_(a)whats-your.name> wrote:
>> youre welcome to ignore the threads you dont find interesting, instead of
stepping in merely to say 'this thread shouldnt exist'..
>>
>> cheers
> Which I gladly do. Again, read the objection again. Linux audio.
> President Bush. I absolutely do not see a connection.
>
> The thread is fine, the politics can go.
--
David
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
4:16 a.m.
perhaps a tough one: would bush be able to use .. the alsa? or would he
rather favor the jack? is he able to see the merits of cross-process
audio mixing? would he install the flash 9?
allright allright, i stop, or josh will kick me off the list ;)
On Fri, 2006-10-27 at 20:06 -1000, david wrote:
I was going to make comments about politicians in
Australia and New
Zealand and other supposedly-better places, but I think I'll just stick
with: politics = "poly" (many) + "tics" (blood suckers). ;-)
Leonard "paniq" Ritter wrote:
--
-- Leonard Ritter
-- http://www.leonard-ritter.com
-- http://www.paniq.org
no politics on the internets!
On Fri, 2006-10-27 at 20:52 -0500, Josh Lawrence wrote:
> On 10/27/06, carmen <_(a)whats-your.name> wrote:
>> youre welcome to ignore the threads you dont find interesting, instead of
stepping in merely to say 'this thread shouldnt exist'..
>>
>> cheers
> Which I gladly do. Again, read the objection again. Linux audio.
> President Bush. I absolutely do not see a connection.
>
> The thread is fine, the politics can go.
4:25 a.m.
On 10/28/06, Leonard paniq Ritter <paniq(a)paniq.org> wrote:
perhaps a tough one: would bush be able to use .. the
alsa? or would he
rather favor the jack? is he able to see the merits of cross-process
audio mixing? would he install the flash 9?
allright allright, i stop, or josh will kick me off the list ;)
Okay, okay, allright, that was funny. :)
Seriously - I'm just really tired of being saturated by this political
stuff all day long. It's nice to come home and read about Linux, just
Linux. Make sense?
Josh
Still trying to figure out what cross-prosses audio mixing is...
--
Josh Lawrence
http://www.hardbop200.com
21 Oct
21 Oct
8:46 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] OT [was:flash 9 beta] YouTube on Democracy Player
Robert Persson wrote:
I tried YouTube once and I was massively unimpressed,
both by the
technical problems and by the total lack of anything worth watching.
I have been much more impressed with Democracy Player --
http://www.getdemocracy.com.
Ok, installed democracy player, works great. However I searched youtube
for Charlie Parker, and the clips I found won't play in DP. Is there
something I should do, is it a bug or isn't this supposed to work in the
first place?
--
peace, love & harmony
Atte
http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk
| compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions
28 Oct
28 Oct
8:17 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] OT [was:flash 9 beta] YouTube on Democracy Player
Atte André Jensen wrote:
Robert Persson wrote:
Ok, installed democracy player, works great. However I searched
youtube for Charlie Parker, and the clips I found won't play in DP. Is
there something I should do, is it a bug or isn't this supposed to
work in the first place?
Ah. In that case it is probably my ignorance that has prevented me
finding anything decent on youtube. I would never have said it was
useless if I knew you could unearth clips of Charlie Parker. Maybe it
was another service I was getting it mixed up with because I remember
going somewhere a couple of months ago and finding nothing but puerile
dross. I went there just now and was instantly able to end my 21 year
quest to see Bill Nelson's "Do you dream in colour?" again, albeit very
fuzzily.
Democracy Player is simply another way to distribute video over the
internet without the poor quality and other technical limitations you
get with google, youtube etc.
To watch youtube video in a different player you first need to download
the clip. What does this for me is the online tool at
http://wish.kuso.cc/youtube/, but there are also firefox extensions that
are supposed to work.
Then you need to play the clip. I'm using mplayer because the build I
have of it decompresses faster than the others. You may want to convert
the clip to something else if you don't have a very powerful machine and
you can stand the long wait. The script at
http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/08/22/2121258 made a rather poor
job of this, but at least it means it can be done.
12:59 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] OT [was:flash 9 beta] YouTube on Democracy Player
On Sat, 2006-10-28 at 03:18 -0700, Robert Persson wrote:
Atte André Jensen wrote:
Dude! Puerile Dross is one of my favorite bands ;-)
--
Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner
http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69
"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of
arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to
skid in sideways, chardonnay in one hand, chocolate in the other, body
thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and screaming 'WOO HOO, what a ride'"
Robert Persson wrote:
Ok, installed democracy player, works great. However I searched
youtube for Charlie Parker, and the clips I found won't play in DP. Is
there something I should do, is it a bug or isn't this supposed to
work in the first place?
Ah. In that case it is probably my ignorance that has prevented me
finding anything decent on youtube. I would never have said it was
useless if I knew you could unearth clips of Charlie Parker. Maybe it
was another service I was getting it mixed up with because I remember
going somewhere a couple of months ago and finding nothing but puerile
dross. 
20 Oct
20 Oct
3:27 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: flash 9 beta
Lee Revell <rlrevell(a)joe-job.com>om>, on Thu Oct 19, 2006 [12:32:24 PM] said:
On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 11:45 -0400, Paul Winkler
wrote:
Hi;
I can appreciate your frustration... flash is evil.
Flash9 player definiately doesnt perform as well as
mplayer (when mplayerplug-in works for flash video) but on my
400mhz machine, it works, just with a poor framerate. (this
machine can play full screen dvd video with no frame drop with
mplayer/xine... it barely eeks by a livable framerate in a tiny
window with the flash player...)
I havent found anything flash9 cant play (badly, albiet
with good audio sync) on my gentoo system.
Paul
set(a)pobox.com
ot:
Google Video has a lot of interesting content, and you can
just disable flash and download most of it in avi containters of mp4.
There are probably greasemonkey scripts to stream it to mplayerplug-in
like there are for youtube.
http://stage6.divx.com/
Has the best interface Ive seen yet, but they just got started building
content. Presents one button to stream to mplayerplug-in and one button
to download.
In my experience, most of the crap that makes things like
youtube so popular is, well crap. google.video.com has lots of
radical (political, cultural) stuff, and feature length stuff,
like movies and their 'google tech talks' and the avi's are so
much better on this platform than flash. Most people that dont
have 3rd world hardware like us will probably be fine with the
'proprietary multimedia Internet' and their 30 second mentos+coke
jizzfests with the flash9 player. And the people looking for longer
quality content are probably paying for it, or getting it off the
darknet...
finally!
http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer9/
seems to work here with firefox 1.5.0.7.
*much* better sound synchronization - i can finally watch stuff on
youtube without screaming in frustration.
ARRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! On my 600Mhz machine (which plays big divx
DVD and HDTV rips perfectly in full screen mode) I get at MOST 1 FPS.
Most YouTube videos never play - the red bar fills up, I see the first
frame, and can fast forward and rewind, but the video behaves as if it's
always paused.
Guess I'll have to go back to Windows if I want to use this new &
improved proprietary multimedia Internet... sigh... it was fun while it
lasted.
Lee
6:03 a.m.
Lee Revell wrote:
ARRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! On my 600Mhz machine (which
plays big divx
DVD and HDTV rips perfectly in full screen mode) I get at MOST 1 FPS.
Most YouTube videos never play - the red bar fills up, I see the first
frame, and can fast forward and rewind, but the video behaves as if it's
always paused.
Guess I'll have to go back to Windows if I want to use this new &
improved proprietary multimedia Internet... sigh... it was fun while it
lasted.
I tried YouTube once and I was massively unimpressed, both by the
technical problems and by the total lack of anything worth watching.
I have been much more impressed with Democracy Player --
http://www.getdemocracy.com. It's GPL for a start and works fine with
Linux. You download movies by podcast or bittorrent rather than watching
live feeds, so if you are prepared to wait a few minutes for something
worth watching rather than getting instant crap then it will probably
suit you better than The Services Everyone Else Uses. Highlights for me
so far have been some shorts about censorship (e.g. "Eyes on the Fair
Use Prize"), the music video of Scott Walker's "Jesse", and some
extended footage of a baby panda called Tai Shan beating up his mother.
You'd need to rummage for them, but they are there somewhere. All in
full screen of course. And you can save movies permanently if you like.
And you can use it for your audio podcasts as well.
Robert
19 Oct
19 Oct
3:35 p.m.
On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 11:45 -0400, Paul Winkler wrote:
finally!
http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer9/
seems to work here with firefox 1.5.0.7.
*much* better sound synchronization - i can finally watch stuff on
youtube without screaming in frustration.
Can someone test whether it works with dmix? I ran strings on the
binary and the only ALSA device name I saw was "plughw:0,0" which is
worrisome.
Is there a way to select the sound device? I couldn't find one. Surely
it isn't hardcoded to use device 0?
Lee
4:11 p.m.
Lee Revell wrote:
On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 11:45 -0400, Paul Winkler
wrote:
wouldn't it use the facility (for lack of a better word) of the browser?
The current browser's use OSS.
finally!
http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer9/
seems to work here with firefox 1.5.0.7.
*much* better sound synchronization - i can finally watch stuff on
youtube without screaming in frustration.
Can someone test whether it works with dmix? I ran strings on the
binary and the only ALSA device name I saw was "plughw:0,0" which is
worrisome.
Is there a way to select the sound device? I couldn't find one. Surely
it isn't hardcoded to use device 0?
4:28 p.m.
On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 11:07 -0700, Brad Fuller wrote:
Lee Revell wrote:
No, it's not the browser that uses OSS but the flash applet. The flash
player accesses the sound system directly, it does not go through the
browser.
Lee
On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 11:45 -0400, Paul Winkler
wrote:
wouldn't it use the facility (for lack of a better word) of the browser?
The current browser's use OSS.
finally!
http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer9/
seems to work here with firefox 1.5.0.7.
*much* better sound synchronization - i can finally watch stuff on
youtube without screaming in frustration.
Can someone test whether it works with dmix? I ran strings on the
binary and the only ALSA device name I saw was "plughw:0,0" which is
worrisome.
Is there a way to select the sound device? I couldn't find one. Surely
it isn't hardcoded to use device 0?
5:04 p.m.
Lee Revell wrote:
On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 11:07 -0700, Brad Fuller wrote:
Good to know, thanks.
So, is fp9 using OSS or ALSA?
Lee Revell wrote:
No, it's not the browser that uses OSS but the flash applet. The flash
player accesses the sound system directly, it does not go through the
browser.
On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 11:45 -0400, Paul Winkler
wrote:
wouldn't it use the facility (for lack of a better word) of the
browser?
The current browser's use OSS.
finally!
http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer9/
seems to work here with firefox 1.5.0.7.
*much* better sound synchronization - i can finally watch stuff on
youtube without screaming in frustration.
Can someone test whether it works with dmix? I ran strings on the
binary and the only ALSA device name I saw was "plughw:0,0" which is
worrisome.
Is there a way to select the sound device? I couldn't find one. Surely
it isn't hardcoded to use device 0?
20 Oct
20 Oct
6:10 p.m.
Brad Fuller wrote:
Lee Revell wrote:
This article:
http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS8896383153.html
says:
Flash Player 9, according to Adobe's release notes, requires an 800 MHz
or faster processor, 512MB of RAM, 128MB of graphics memory, and ALSA
(Advanced Linux Sound Architecture) compatible audio hardware. It will
not work with OSS (Open Sound System) audio. In addition, if you try to
run it with OSS, you will not get an error message, you simply won't get
any audio.
brad
On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 11:07 -0700, Brad Fuller
wrote:
Good to know, thanks.
So, is fp9 using OSS or ALSA?
Lee Revell wrote:
No, it's not the browser that uses OSS but the flash applet. The
flash
player accesses the sound system directly, it does not go through the
browser.
On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 11:45 -0400, Paul Winkler
wrote:
> finally!
> http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer9/
> seems to work here with firefox 1.5.0.7.
>
> *much* better sound synchronization - i can finally watch stuff on
> youtube without screaming in frustration.
>
>
>
>
Can someone test whether it works with dmix? I ran strings on the
binary and the only ALSA device name I saw was "plughw:0,0" which is
worrisome.
Is there a way to select the sound device? I couldn't find one. Surely
it isn't hardcoded to use device 0?
wouldn't it use the facility (for lack of a better word) of the
browser?
The current browser's use OSS.
21 Oct
21 Oct
6:03 a.m.
Brad Fuller wrote:
Well, my 1.5GHz Celeron laptop is only providing 64MB of graphics
memory, but Flash 9 works fine here. I use ALSA.
--
David
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
So, is fp9
using OSS or ALSA?
This article:
http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS8896383153.html
says:
Flash Player 9, according to Adobe's release notes, requires an 800 MHz
or faster processor, 512MB of RAM, 128MB of graphics memory, and ALSA
(Advanced Linux Sound Architecture) compatible audio hardware. It will
not work with OSS (Open Sound System) audio. In addition, if you try to
run it with OSS, you will not get an error message, you simply won't get
any audio.
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