28 Jan
2009
28 Jan
'09
8:48 p.m.
Hi there,
I'd like to build a new DAW in the next 2 weeks. Budget is tight
and so I have chosen the following components to buy:
CPU:
• AMD Athlon X2 7750 Black Edition (K10 - Kuma core), 2x 2.70GHz, boxed
AD775ZWCGHBOX - €68,21
Cooler:
• Arctic Cooling Freezer 64 Pro PWM - €16,65
• http://www.arctic-cooling.com/cpu2.php?idx=80&data=1&disc=
Mainboard:
• Asrock AOD790GX/128M AMD790GX - €84,03
• http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=AOD790GX/128M
Memory:
• 2x2048MB Kit OCZ Platinum XTC 1066MHz CL5 - €44,87
•
http://www.ocztechnology.com/products/memory/ocz_ddr2_pc2_8500_platinum_sli…
Power Supply:
• RASURBO GaminX & Power GAP565 - 550 Watt - €43,95
• http://www.rasurbo.de/netzteil_gap565.html
Any thoughts on this? What I'd like to know the most is, how does the AMD790GX
perform under Linux? Is it fully supported (chipset, graphics [very important],
Which kernel would I need at least?
Does anybody here use an AMD790GX board? Are you happy with it? Any known problems?
I'd be really grateful for any thoughts, experience, info, whatever.
Greets,
Raphael ;)
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________________________________
"A mind is like a parachute -
It doesn't work if it's not open."
|- - - - - - - Frank Zappa - - - - - - -|
28 Jan
28 Jan
9:16 p.m.
On 29 January 2009 at 1:47, "R.Wolff" <musicwolf(a)web.de> wrote:
Mainboard:
Asrock AOD790GX/128M AMD790GX - =8084,03
http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=3DAOD790GX/128M
I've not heard of Asrock -- I live in a cave under a tree in a swamp.
;-) But seriously, I'd go with Tyan or ASUS for your motherboard.
Do your homework when choosing the RAM. It's got to be good in
the motherboard you're using, and memory errors are terrible to
diagnose, if you have them. I prefer Kingston, or Crucial. For
power supplies, I go for the higher reliability units, not that
you didn't choose a good one. But, those are more likely to fail
from what I've experienced. Since you said DAW, I'd add "quiet"
to your list of power supply features of utmost importance. I'm
very happy with my Athlon 64-X2. Besides DAW, you mentioned that
you need excellent graphics. Are you going to produce video, or
maybe you're trying to build a machine for gaming too? You'll
need to choose your audio interface for the DAW, and that might
impact your choice of motherboards, which will ripple through all
of your other choices.
G'luck...
--
Kevin
29 Jan
29 Jan
1:08 a.m.
Kevin Cosgrove wrote:
On 29 January 2009 at 1:47, "R.Wolff"
<musicwolf(a)web.de> wrote:
;-) But seriously, I'd go with Tyan or ASUS for your motherboard.
I surely can't afford a Tyan board. he cheapest one I can find here in germany
cost about 3x as much as the ASRock. And I already mentioned that my budget is
extremely tight.
Do your homework when choosing the RAM. It's got
to be good in
the motherboard you're using, and memory errors are terrible to
diagnose, if you have them.
Yeah, I know this from hard learned lesson. But I thought that OCZ is a good
memory brand?
Since you said DAW, I'd add "quiet"
to your list of power supply features of utmost importance.
The quit factor is too important to me, the PC is well hidden and not disturbing
me that much. ;)
Besides DAW, you mentioned that
you need excellent graphics. Are you going to produce video, or
maybe you're trying to build a machine for gaming too?
That's a misunderstanding, maybe I'm not expressing myself very well.
What I meant was, does this iGPU (ATI HD3300) work well under linux? What I need
most is solid 2D performance over two monitors.
You'll
need to choose your audio interface for the DAW, and that might
impact your choice of motherboards, which will ripple through all
of your other choices.
Well, I'll use my Delta 1010LT from the old box, which is rock salad under linux :D
G'luck...
--
Kevin
Thanks,
Raphael
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________________________________
"A mind is like a parachute -
It doesnt work if it's not open."
|- - - - - - - Frank Zappa - - - - - - -|
11:29 a.m.
On Thursday 29 January 2009 01:52:14 Roger E wrote:
Well, I'll use my Delta 1010LT from the old box,
which is rock salad
under linux :D
Rock salad may not be much but I hear stone soup is something special.
drew
Thanks,
Raphael
I don't think rock salad would taste very good (salad is a tasty dish
made with raw vegetables). The word you need is "solid" :) 
4:58 p.m.
On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 10:29:38AM -0500, drew Roberts wrote:
On Thursday 29 January 2009 01:52:14 Roger E wrote:
It wasn't a rock, it was a rock... salaaad! Down, down....
-ken
Well, I'll use my Delta 1010LT from the old
box, which is rock salad
under linux :D
Rock salad may not be much but I hear stone soup is something special.
Thanks,
Raphael
I don't think rock salad would taste very good (salad is a tasty dish
made with raw vegetables). The word you need is "solid" :) 
5:18 p.m.
On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 12:57:47PM -0800, Ken Restivo wrote:
On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 10:29:38AM -0500, drew Roberts wrote:
> Rock salad may not be much but I hear stone soup is something special.
Stone soup can be very good, it only depends on what
is added after the initial ingredient (the stone).
Ciao,
--
FA
Laboratorio di Acustica ed Elettroacustica
Parma, Italia
O tu, che porte, correndo si ?
E guerra e morte !
5:27 p.m.
On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 22:02:42 +0100
Fons Adriaensen <fons(a)kokkinizita.net> wrote:
On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 12:57:47PM -0800, Ken Restivo
wrote:
We've had stone soup a few times over on the Kara-Moon forum. The trick
is knowing when to remove the stone. Too soon and the soup is thin and
doesn't develop any real flavour. Too late and it becomes thick and
lifeless.
--
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 10:29:38AM -0500, drew Roberts wrote:
> Rock salad may not be much but I hear stone soup is something special.
Stone soup can be very good, it only depends on what
is added after the initial ingredient (the stone).
Ciao,
5:55 p.m.
Add some herbs, garlic and onions, let it cook a little longer.
It'll develop a greater taste.
Cheers
Folderol wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 22:02:42 +0100
Fons Adriaensen <fons(a)kokkinizita.net> wrote:
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It doesn't work if it's not open."
|- - - - - - - Frank Zappa - - - - - - -|
On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 12:57:47PM -0800, Ken
Restivo wrote:
We've had stone soup a few times over on the Kara-Moon forum. The trick
is knowing when to remove the stone. Too soon and the soup is thin and
doesn't develop any real flavour. Too late and it becomes thick and
lifeless.
On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 10:29:38AM -0500, drew
Roberts wrote:
> Rock salad may not be much but I hear stone soup is something special.
Stone
soup can be very good, it only depends on what
is added after the initial ingredient (the stone).
Ciao,
6:01 p.m.
New subject: [OT] Stone soup
On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 09:27:48PM +0000, Folderol wrote:
We've had stone soup a few times over on the
Kara-Moon forum. The trick
is knowing when to remove the stone. Too soon and the soup is thin and
doesn't develop any real flavour. Too late and it becomes thick and
lifeless.
I learned about stone soup years ago, when
learning Portuguese in evening class, in a
text we had to study. The story went as
follows:
A beggar arrives at a farm, and asks for some
water to make soup. He's given the water, makes
a fire a starts boiling a stone. The farmer and
his family are looking at the scene in disbelief.
When the water is boiling, the beggar asks:
"maybe you've got also a tomato or so ?"
He's given a tomato.
...
And some other vegatables ?
...
And some mushrooms ?
...
And maybe some piece of meat or chicken ?
...
And some salt, pepper and 'alecrim' (rosemary) ?
...
So he ends up with quite a good soup.
Ciao,
--
FA
Laboratorio di Acustica ed Elettroacustica
Parma, Italia
O tu, che porte, correndo si ?
E guerra e morte !
8:15 p.m.
New subject: [OT] Stone soup
Fons Adriaensen wrote:
On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 09:27:48PM +0000, Folderol
wrote:
"stone soup" is indeed a traditional portuguese tale. besides a couple
or so of international variants, including the Grimm bros. version, the
actual soup can be ordered on the most typical restaurants at the
location of Almeirim (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almeirim) -- actually
it's a very thick and rich soup, a complete meal on its own ;)
cheers
--
rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela
rncbc(a)rncbc.org
We've had stone soup a few times over on the
Kara-Moon forum. The trick
is knowing when to remove the stone. Too soon and the soup is thin and
doesn't develop any real flavour. Too late and it becomes thick and
lifeless.
I learned about stone soup years ago, when
learning Portuguese in evening class, in a
text we had to study. The story went as
follows:
A beggar arrives at a farm, and asks for some
water to make soup. He's given the water, makes
a fire a starts boiling a stone. The farmer and
his family are looking at the scene in disbelief.
When the water is boiling, the beggar asks:
"maybe you've got also a tomato or so ?"
He's given a tomato.
...
And some other vegatables ?
...
And some mushrooms ?
...
And maybe some piece of meat or chicken ?
...
And some salt, pepper and 'alecrim' (rosemary) ?
...
So he ends up with quite a good soup.
Ciao,
30 Jan
30 Jan
2:44 a.m.
New subject: [OT] Stone soup
Fons Adriaensen wrote:
On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 09:27:48PM +0000, Folderol
wrote:
The Stone Soup story is kind of the philosophy of the developers of
Fractint, a very old, powerful and still thriving fractal graphics
program ...
http://spanky.fractint.org/www/fractint/stone_soup.html
--
David
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
We've had stone soup a few times over on the
Kara-Moon forum. The trick
is knowing when to remove the stone. Too soon and the soup is thin and
doesn't develop any real flavour. Too late and it becomes thick and
lifeless.
I learned about stone soup years ago, when
learning Portuguese in evening class, in a
text we had to study. The story went as
follows:
A beggar arrives at a farm, and asks for some
water to make soup. He's given the water, makes
a fire a starts boiling a stone. The farmer and
his family are looking at the scene in disbelief.
When the water is boiling, the beggar asks:
"maybe you've got also a tomato or so ?"
He's given a tomato.
...
And some other vegatables ?
...
And some mushrooms ?
...
And maybe some piece of meat or chicken ?
...
And some salt, pepper and 'alecrim' (rosemary) ?
...
So he ends up with quite a good soup.
29 Jan
29 Jan
5:40 p.m.
Just tried to be a little funny, at which I apparently failed.
Never mind ;)
Roger E wrote:
Well, I'll use my Delta 1010LT from the old box,
which is rock salad
under linux :D
--
________________________________
"A mind is like a parachute -
It doesn't work if it's not open."
|- - - - - - - Frank Zappa - - - - - - -|
Thanks,
Raphael
I don't think rock salad would taste very good (salad is a tasty dish
made with raw vegetables). The word you need is "solid" :)
7:17 p.m.
R.Wolff wrote:
Just tried to be a little funny, at which I apparently
failed.
Never mind ;)
Roger E wrote:
> Well, I'll use my Delta 1010LT from the old box, which is rock salad
> under linux :D
>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Raphael
>>
>>
> I don't think rock salad would taste very good (salad is a tasty dish
> made with raw vegetables). The word you need is "solid" :)
>
>
Believe me Raphael it's funny, but I mistook it for a translation glitch. Generated
much amusement on the list.
All good. Best wishes. :)
Roger
2:23 p.m.
On 29 January 2009 at 6:07, "R.Wolff" <musicwolf(a)web.de> wrote:
I don't know about that RAM. It might be good. But, find out if
it's on the approved list for ASRock. Sometimes motherboard
manufacturers will recommend RAM for their boards, which raises
my confidence that something will work.
That's good. Large, slow spinning quiet fans are nice, and much
cheaper than liquid cooling. Fanless components, like video cards,
are even better.
Better description. Thanks. Unfortunately I don't know much about
that ATI unit. At one point I couldn't get a couple of my ATI cards
to work -- one would hang the system -- after I upgraded my
distribution and got a newer kernel and xorg version. I switched to
nVidia at that time. Those were an ATI 9200 and 9250 card.
Nice choice! I have the non-LT version. They are really great.
The add the requirement to have PCI slots on the motherboard.
Good luck.....
--
Kevin
Kevin Cosgrove wrote:
OK. I don't know whether the ASRock stuff is good or not. You've
got some other comments, and you're doing the right thing by asking
here.
I'd go with Tyan or ASUS for your
motherboard.
I surely can't afford a Tyan board. he cheapest one I can find
here in germany cost about 3x as much as the ASRock. And I
already mentioned that my budget is extremely tight. Do your
homework when choosing the RAM. It's got to be
good in the motherboard you're using, and memory errors are
terrible to diagnose, if you have them.
Yeah, I know this from hard learned lesson. But I thought that
OCZ is a good memory brand? Since you said
DAW, I'd add "quiet" to your list of power
supply features of utmost importance.
The quiet factor is too important to me, the PC is well hidden
and not disturbing me that much. ;) Besides DAW,
you mentioned that you need excellent graphics.
Are you going to produce video, or maybe you're trying to
build a machine for gaming too?
That's a misunderstanding, maybe I'm not expressing myself very
well. What I meant was, does this iGPU (ATI HD3300) work well
under linux? What I need most is solid 2D performance over two
monitors. You'll
need to choose your audio interface for the DAW, and
that might impact your choice of motherboards, which will
ripple through all of your other choices.
Well, I'll use my Delta 1010LT from the old box, which is rock
solid under linux :D
6:13 p.m.
Kevin Cosgrove wrote:
OK. I don't know whether the ASRock stuff is good
or not. You've
got some other comments, and you're doing the right thing by asking
here.
It's all good. I know there are many knowledgeable people around here ;)
I don't know about that RAM. It might be good.
But, find out if
it's on the approved list for ASRock. Sometimes motherboard
manufacturers will recommend RAM for their boards, which raises
my confidence that something will work.
You're right. I'll have another look at the manufacturers website to see what he
recommends.
That's good. Large, slow spinning quiet fans are
nice, and much
cheaper than liquid cooling. Fanless components, like video cards,
are even better.
This board has Dual-Onboard Graphics (apparently the best existent),
so no fans there. And for the other stuff, I'll have to buy things more or less
one by one because of a very small income.
Nice choice! I have the non-LT version. They are
really great.
The add the requirement to have PCI slots on the motherboard.
The board I consider has 3 PCI slots still.
Good luck.....
--
Kevin
Thanks again Kevin
--
Raphael ;)
________________________________
"A mind is like a parachute -
It doesn't work if it's not open."
|- - - - - - - Frank Zappa - - - - - - -|
28 Jan
28 Jan
9:40 p.m.
CPU:
? AMD Athlon X2 7750 Black Edition (K10 - Kuma core), 2x 2.70GHz, boxed
AD775ZWCGHBOX - ?68,21
I'd avoid the asrock. Some people have had good luck with them ... I
bought one and had nothing but "odd" problems. Ended up with a ASUS
board and am quite happy. Not much more money.
--
**** Listen to my CD at http://www.mellowood.ca/music/cedars ****
Bob van der Poel ** Wynndel, British Columbia, CANADA **
EMAIL: bob(a)mellowood.ca
WWW: http://www.mellowood.ca
29 Jan
29 Jan
12:53 a.m.
Hi,
are you talking about this particular board? Or ASRock in general?
My current board is an ASRock as well, and it's a better performer than my
previous Gigabyte which cost me twice as much.
Because from all the info I could gather, this board is looking like a winner.
Very good reviews, good performance, good capacitors etc.
Raphael ;)
Bob van der Poel wrote:
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________________________________
"A mind is like a parachute -
It doesn't work if it's not open."
|- - - - - - - Frank Zappa - - - - - - -|
CPU:
? AMD Athlon X2 7750 Black Edition (K10 - Kuma core), 2x 2.70GHz,
boxed AD775ZWCGHBOX - ?68,21
I'd avoid the asrock. Some people have had good luck with them ... I
bought one and had nothing but "odd" problems. Ended up with a ASUS
board and am quite happy. Not much more money.
2:43 p.m.
R.Wolff wrote:
Hi,
are you talking about this particular board? Or ASRock in general?
My current board is an ASRock as well, and it's a better performer than my
previous Gigabyte which cost me twice as much.
Because from all the info I could gather, this board is looking like a winner.
Very good reviews, good performance, good capacitors etc.
Just in general. The board I had was a AM2NF6G-VSTA ... I went though 3
boards under warrenty over a 3 month period. Don't recall all the
reasons, but I think one developed a bas USB port. The last one I put it
in a new box with 1 gig of ram and it is running fine for my wife, but
her computing demands don't go much past checking her gmail account. One
problem I had with the asrock boards was when I added ram ... they
worked, but then crashed from time to time. The price difference
between that board and the ASUS M2N-SLI wasn't much more that $30 as I
recall ... and it has been solid since I built the system. Life is too
short to screw around with flaky hardware.
The local vendor I got the asrock board from told me (after) that he
wasn't going to be carrying them (all) anymore. Good price, but too many
problems. He makes no money sending back dead boards under warranty.
--
**** Listen to my CD at http://www.mellowood.ca/music/cedars ****
Bob van der Poel ** Wynndel, British Columbia, CANADA **
EMAIL: bob(a)mellowood.ca
WWW: http://www.mellowood.ca
2:50 p.m.
On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Bob van der Poel <bob(a)mellowood.ca> wrote:
R.Wolff wrote:
Everyone has different results and their own horror stories but I'm
personally +++ on Asus. I've owned maybe 20 Asus MB's over the last 15
years and I've never had problems with any of them. They've all
outlasted the cards I've plugged into them or the power supplies that
were driving them. The only one I totally lost occurred when a VGA fan
died and that card caught fire. Glad I ran that box in the garage. ;-)
I've owned very few other MBs except those that came in pre-built
machines - eMachines, Compaq, Dell, HP. eMachines were junk (my wife
has one now...) Compaq actually used Asus in one machine, and Dell was
generally way to expensive for what you got technically. I like Asus.
(As this message probably communicates....)
Cheers,
Mark
Hi,
are you talking about this particular board? Or ASRock in general?
My current board is an ASRock as well, and it's a better performer than my
previous Gigabyte which cost me twice as much.
Because from all the info I could gather, this board is looking like a winner.
Very good reviews, good performance, good capacitors etc.
Just in general. The board I had was a AM2NF6G-VSTA ... I went though 3
boards under warrenty over a 3 month period. Don't recall all the
reasons, but I think one developed a bas USB port. The last one I put it
in a new box with 1 gig of ram and it is running fine for my wife, but
her computing demands don't go much past checking her gmail account. One
problem I had with the asrock boards was when I added ram ... they
worked, but then crashed from time to time. The price difference
between that board and the ASUS M2N-SLI wasn't much more that $30 as I
recall ... and it has been solid since I built the system. Life is too
short to screw around with flaky hardware.
The local vendor I got the asrock board from told me (after) that he
wasn't going to be carrying them (all) anymore. Good price, but too many
problems. He makes no money sending back dead boards under warranty.
--
**** Listen to my CD at http://www.mellowood.ca/music/cedars ****
Bob van der Poel ** Wynndel, British Columbia, CANADA **
EMAIL: bob(a)mellowood.ca
WWW: http://www.mellowood.ca 
5:06 a.m.
stay away from via chipsets...
I have (unhappy) exeperienced what could do a wrong mix of ram+intel+via...
unable to compile ardour all in one go, kernel compilation freezes.
After several attempts finally I thought it was a gcc bug or something else
with dependencies or missing packages.
I wrote on this list few weeks ago with no replies then an offlist
conversation with an hardware skilled user was very clarifying in this
sense.
cheers
raffaele
2009/1/29 R.Wolff <musicwolf(a)web.de>
Hi there,
I'd like to build a new DAW in the next 2 weeks. Budget is tight
and so I have chosen the following components to buy:
CPU:
• AMD Athlon X2 7750 Black Edition (K10 - Kuma core), 2x 2.70GHz, boxed
AD775ZWCGHBOX - €68,21
Cooler:
• Arctic Cooling Freezer 64 Pro PWM - €16,65
• http://www.arctic-cooling.com/cpu2.php?idx=80&data=1&disc=
Mainboard:
• Asrock AOD790GX/128M AMD790GX - €84,03
• http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=AOD790GX/128M
Memory:
• 2x2048MB Kit OCZ Platinum XTC 1066MHz CL5 - €44,87
•
http://www.ocztechnology.com/products/memory/ocz_ddr2_pc2_8500_platinum_sli…
Power Supply:
• RASURBO GaminX & Power GAP565 - 550 Watt - €43,95
• http://www.rasurbo.de/netzteil_gap565.html
Any thoughts on this? What I'd like to know the most is, how does the
AMD790GX
perform under Linux? Is it fully supported (chipset, graphics [very
important],
Which kernel would I need at least?
Does anybody here use an AMD790GX board? Are you happy with it? Any known
problems?
I'd be really grateful for any thoughts, experience, info, whatever.
Greets,
Raphael ;)
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Cassiel wrote:
stay away from via chipsets...
Well, the board I'm planning to buy has an AMD 790GX Chipset, so hopefully I'll
be good.
I've heard of problems with VIA chipsets, but this was mostly applicable to
older chips like the K133/266 and maybe the K33 to some extent. And this was
still in Win world, so I don#t know how it is under linux. I'm only in on the
'nix bandwagon since a little time.
cheers
raffaele
Thank you for the info
--
Raphael ;)
________________________________
"A mind is like a parachute -
It doesn't work if it's not open."
|- - - - - - - Frank Zappa - - - - - - -|
30 Jan
30 Jan
3:15 a.m.
R.Wolff wrote:
Cassiel wrote:
I've used VIA chipsets on many AMD boards, no problems with any of them
besides Linux' adamant refusal to believe the BIOS when I set it to
disable any onboard sound hardware ... Most recent board is an Asus
K8V-MX with VIA chips. Only reason I'm replacing it now is that the
on-board SATA won't recognize a new (working and tested) SATA2 drive I
bought.
--
David
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
stay away from via chipsets...
Well, the board I'm planning to buy has an AMD 790GX Chipset, so hopefully I'll
be good.
I've heard of problems with VIA chipsets, but this was mostly applicable to
older chips like the K133/266 and maybe the K33 to some extent. And this was
still in Win world, so I don#t know how it is under linux. I'm only in on the
'nix bandwagon since a little time.
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